George, speaking of Irish Cemeteris and burials...could you explain something to me? Thomas Clarke Luby's father-in-law was the poet John deJean Frazer (died 1852 and buried in Glasnevin Cemetery in Dublin). Found this little "blurb" online about him: "His grave was not secured 'in perpetuity' and a person named Eliza Daly seems to have been buried in it. No stone marks Frazer's grave" Is this fairly common? Do they still do it this way (make you pay for a plot 'in perpetuity')? Or did this just happen to Frazer because he died very very poor? Kathy Rhodes - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "george kelly" <geokel@eircom.net> wrote: Brilliant idea for modern cemeteries where records are available.There are some cemeteries here where local history enthusiasts have copied headstone inscriptions-most graves were unmarked.

Kathy~ I was told many years ago by my cousins in Mayo, that this happens with graves whose occupants appear to no longer have family. They said that the reuse of the plot is governed by the County Council. My question then and now that you have brought it up is, how would the County Council make this decision? Perhaps descendants live outside of the Republic and may visit the grave once every 10 years??? I had not hear the term you used "in perpetuity" so Is this like purchasing the plot or paying a rental or a lease. If the fee stops coming, the grave after about 100 years or so can be reused?? Perhaps someone on the list could explain this practice. I actually thought my family was not serious. Have to check this out with them. Mary Ellen Chambers littlehouseantiques@att.net wrote: George, speaking of Irish Cemeteris and burials...could you explain something to me? Thomas Clarke Luby's father-in-law was the poet John deJean Frazer (died 1852 and buried in Glasnevin Cemetery in Dublin). Found this little "blurb" online about him: "His grave was not secured 'in perpetuity' and a person named Eliza Daly seems to have been buried in it. No stone marks Frazer's grave" Is this fairly common? Do they still do it this way (make you pay for a plot 'in perpetuity')? Or did this just happen to Frazer because he died very very poor? Kathy Rhodes - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "george kelly" wrote: Brilliant idea for modern cemeteries where records are available.There are some cemeteries here where local history enthusiasts have copied headstone inscriptions-most graves were unmarked. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

from Elaine The American Heritage® Dictionary perpetuity (n.) The quality or condition of being perpetual:"The perpetuity of the Church was an article of faith" (Morris L. West) perpetuity (n.) Time without end; eternity. perpetuity (n.) The condition of an estate that is limited so as to be inalienable either perpetually or longer than the period determined by law. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <maryln61@sbcglobal.net> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Irish Cemeteries / Burial Plots / In Perpetuity???