John, Can't speak as to what it is like in Ireland but in NYC parish priests don't normally take well to vague requests such as "can you look up all Hannigan births in your parish?" Usually they want a given name and a date (or at least a limited date range). What date range would you give in your case? You've got a birth rec for Patrick Hannigan of 1838 and no idea where in the birth order he falls. For the sake of argument lets assume his mother married at abt age 20 and therefore could in all liklihood bear children for the next 20 years--since you don't know when she married or what birth order of children is you'd have to search for 20 years on either side of Patrick's DOB (1838) or in other words from 1818-1858. So let's use the databases at the IFHF and do that--and find all the Hannigans who were born and baptised in Bulgaden Parish during that time period. 1st pull all Hannigans (any spelling) in Co Limerick; you get 399 - ranging from 1758 and onwards (note it won't show you all 399 rather just the first 10 but they are the first 10 in date order so at least you know how far back these recs go but you don't know where they end) but that's okay, we've got a range to check so now we are gonna do that beginning with 1818 (you can really skip this step and just start looking for Hannigans with your date range, but I like to check because you might catch a break and find that for the date range you are researching that they don't even have recs back to 1818 so it would save some steps to know this before you start going in year by year) This is NOT the case for this example though as they've got recs all the way back to 1758 so I'm going to have to check each and every year in the range. 2nd Plug in surname Hannigan (leave given name blank) and plug in first year of your range. Now copy what comes up for the first year. For example for 1818 there are two; for 1819 there are 4, etc. When you finish doing this for the range 1818-1858 you end up with 187 records. WHY do you have to do this? BECAUSE YOU NEED THE GIVEN NAME of EACH Hannigan in order to search by Parish. The IFHF site will not let you do a parish search withOUT having a GIVEN name; it also will not do any 'variant' matching on given names, i.e. if you enter William and the record is actually out there under Wm. then it will NOT find the record. 3rd take these 187 recs and throw them into a word processing program (MS Word or whatever you've got) and SORT them alphabetically. This will group all the different ways the surname is spelled and then within that will group all of the given names that are the same together--they'll be out of date order but this will make the next step easier. 4th ONE at a time enter the EXACT surname spelling the EXACT given name and set the parish parameter to the one you are researching (in this case BULGADEN) and check your list and enter the YEAR for that entry. Working your way through our list of 187 Hannigans you'll eventually find that there are only 13 that took place in the Parish of Bulgaden and they are: Baptism Hannigan Alice 1840 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Joh. 1818 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan John 1845 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan John 1845 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Kate 1836 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Kate 1837 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Kate 1847 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Maria 1841 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Michael 1842 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Patk. 1838 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Patk. 1838 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Patk. 1843 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Thady 1842 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN NOW, go to that parish priest and ask him to look these up for ya! You won't be wasting his time and it will be easier for him to find what he is looking for armed with both NAMES and DATES. Or plunk down your 65 Euros and see them online :-( (you know you will have to send "contribution" to the PP for these recs right? don't know what the "expected" amount is though--maybe less than 65 Euro? maybe more???) Kathy Rhodes -- Original message from Hannigan Family Research research@hannigangenealogy.us>: -- I appreciate the help in tracking down these records. My next step will be to get the specific record and contact the parish priest to see if he can provide additional help. Has anyone on the list been successful in a parish priest providing copies of records? Are they just recorded in a logbook register or are they actual certificates that provide additional information? I assume that contacting the parish priest at Bulgaden would be a logical step to see if there were other siblings. Thanks again for the help. John Hannigan Florida

Kathy, Even though most messages don't apply to my surname or place search, I really like reading all "research" tips. Thank you for yours. Melody Marshall South Dakota ----- Original Message ----- From: <littlehouseantiques@att.net> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Ssearch Help - Patrick Hannigan > John, Can't speak as to what it is like in Ireland but in NYC parish > priests don't normally take well to vague requests such as "can you look > up all Hannigan births in your parish?" Usually they want a given name > and a date (or at least a limited date range). What date range would you > give in your case? You've got a birth rec for Patrick Hannigan of 1838 > and no idea where in the birth order he falls. For the sake of argument > lets assume his mother married at abt age 20 and therefore could in all > liklihood bear children for the next 20 years--since you don't know when > she married or what birth order of children is you'd have to search for 20 > years on either side of Patrick's DOB (1838) or in other words from > 1818-1858. So let's use the databases at the IFHF and do that--and find > all the Hannigans who were born and baptised in Bulgaden Parish during > that time period. > > 1st pull all Hannigans (any spelling) in Co Limerick; you get 399 - > ranging from 1758 and onwards (note it won't show you all 399 rather just > the first 10 but they are the first 10 in date order so at least you know > how far back these recs go but you don't know where they end) but that's > okay, we've got a range to check so now we are gonna do that beginning > with 1818 (you can really skip this step and just start looking for > Hannigans with your date range, but I like to check because you might > catch a break and find that for the date range you are researching that > they don't even have recs back to 1818 so it would save some steps to know > this before you start going in year by year) This is NOT the case for this > example though as they've got recs all the way back to 1758 so I'm going > to have to check each and every year in the range. > > 2nd Plug in surname Hannigan (leave given name blank) and plug in first > year of your range. Now copy what comes up for the first year. For > example for 1818 there are two; for 1819 there are 4, etc. When you > finish doing this for the range 1818-1858 you end up with 187 records. > WHY do you have to do this? BECAUSE YOU NEED THE GIVEN NAME of EACH > Hannigan in order to search by Parish. The IFHF site will not let you do a > parish search withOUT having a GIVEN name; it also will not do any > 'variant' matching on given names, i.e. if you enter William and the > record is actually out there under Wm. then it will NOT find the record. > > 3rd take these 187 recs and throw them into a word processing program (MS > Word or whatever you've got) and SORT them alphabetically. This will > group all the different ways the surname is spelled and then within that > will group all of the given names that are the same together--they'll be > out of date order but this will make the next step easier. > > 4th ONE at a time enter the EXACT surname spelling the EXACT given name > and set the parish parameter to the one you are researching (in this case > BULGADEN) and check your list and enter the YEAR for that entry. Working > your way through our list of 187 Hannigans you'll eventually find that > there are only 13 that took place in the Parish of Bulgaden and they are: > > Baptism Hannigan Alice 1840 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN > Baptism Hannigan Joh. 1818 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN > Baptism Hannigan John 1845 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN > Baptism Hannigan John 1845 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN > Baptism Hannigan Kate 1836 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN > Baptism Hannigan Kate 1837 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN > Baptism Hannigan Kate 1847 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN > Baptism Hannigan Maria 1841 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN > Baptism Hannigan Michael 1842 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN > Baptism Hannigan Patk. 1838 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN > Baptism Hannigan Patk. 1838 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN > Baptism Hannigan Patk. 1843 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN > Baptism Hannigan Thady 1842 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN > > NOW, go to that parish priest and ask him to look these up for ya! You > won't be wasting his time and it will be easier for him to find what he is > looking for armed with both NAMES and DATES. Or plunk down your 65 Euros > and see them online :-( > (you know you will have to send "contribution" to the PP for these recs > right? don't know what the "expected" amount is though--maybe less than 65 > Euro? maybe more???) > > Kathy Rhodes > > -- Original message from Hannigan Family Research > research@hannigangenealogy.us>: -- > I appreciate the help in tracking down these records. My next step will > be to get the specific record and contact the parish priest to see if he > can provide additional help. > > Has anyone on the list been successful in a parish priest providing copies > of records? Are they just recorded in a logbook register or are they > actual certificates that provide additional information? I assume that > contacting the parish priest at Bulgaden would be a logical step to see if > there were other siblings. > > Thanks again for the help. > > John Hannigan > Florida > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >