Just checked the IFHF sources page for County Limerick and realized that 'Limerick No 1' Parish designation does indeed mean that the record I want is a CIVIL RECORD; still not sure why they are saying it is a BURIAL record rather than a DEATH record...unless in Ireland (as in the US) there are Burial permits as well as Death certificates? Here in the states a Burial Permit differs little from a Death Certificate--neither ususally gives the name of a cemetery, although a Burial permit does sometimes mention the name of the place where the body is being transferred to (for example: when someone dies in one county or state but is buried in another). Death Certificate/Burial Permit for the most part are interchangeable terms; there is usually one or the other but not usually both, so I'm thinking it must be the same in Ireland. Kathy Rhodes -------------- Original message from "george kelly" <geokel@eircom.net>: -------------- > I have seen pre 1864 burials referred to on IFHF site-some even for 18th > century.I think that these may have been taken from headstone inscriptions > noted by some of our local history societies..In general,however,the > "burials" of IFHF appear to be post 1864 death registrations.These do not > include the name of cemetery where deceased was buried.If one is trying to > trace a burial the only source for Catholics is the record of the Municipal > Mount St Lawrence cemetery in Limerick city-dates from c 1855 and includes > all denominations.For members of the Church of Ireland there are more > extensive records.In the 1800's practically all the cemeteries were property > of that Church.While Catholics were buried in these no records kept except > for C of I members.

Checked with IFHF.Only Limerick burials online are those of Church of Ireland.As I suspected the "burials" for Catholics are post 1864 death registrations.The headstone inscriptions and Mount St Lawrence burial records not in the database.Apparently this is a technical issue for IFHF,having to do with the design of the forms-same form used for all denominations. ----- Original Message ----- From: <littlehouseantiques@att.net> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com>; <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] BURIAL records IHFH > Just checked the IFHF sources page for County Limerick and realized that > 'Limerick No 1' Parish designation does indeed mean that the record I want > is a > CIVIL RECORD; still not sure why they are saying it is a BURIAL record > rather > than a DEATH record...unless in Ireland (as in the US) there are Burial > permits as > well as Death certificates? Here in the states a Burial Permit differs > little from a > Death Certificate--neither ususally gives the name of a cemetery, although > a Burial > permit does sometimes mention the name of the place where the body is > being > transferred to (for example: when someone dies in one county or state but > is buried > in another). Death Certificate/Burial Permit for the most part are > interchangeable > terms; there is usually one or the other but not usually both, so I'm > thinking it must > be the same in Ireland. > > Kathy Rhodes > > -------------- Original message from "george kelly" > <geokel@eircom.net>: -------------- > > >> I have seen pre 1864 burials referred to on IFHF site-some even for 18th >> century.I think that these may have been taken from headstone >> inscriptions >> noted by some of our local history societies..In general,however,the >> "burials" of IFHF appear to be post 1864 death registrations.These do not >> include the name of cemetery where deceased was buried.If one is trying >> to >> trace a burial the only source for Catholics is the record of the >> Municipal >> Mount St Lawrence cemetery in Limerick city-dates from c 1855 and >> includes >> all denominations.For members of the Church of Ireland there are more >> extensive records.In the 1800's practically all the cemeteries were >> property >> of that Church.While Catholics were buried in these no records kept >> except >> for C of I members. > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I think that we in the USA sometimes confuse our method of recording deaths and burials, along with cemetery records and the way it is done in Ireland/Republic. American records are more readily and easily available than those in Ireland. Our death certificates contain more data, especially those in the latter part of the 19th into the 20th century. The cemeteries have offices with records of plot ownership and who is buried there. Pre Civil Death certificates in USA are recorded in huge volumes in Archives. In the church and Civil parish cemeteries in Ireland, especially in rural districts, there are no offices with burial records and records of Catholic deaths pre 1864 and even after are almost non existent. We found that we had to do graveyard walks for cemeteries near the townlands we were researching. Also, talking to people living locally, we often found that there was a person in the area who had a record of the graves and inscriptions. An appointment with that individual was always met with courtesy and a great sharing of information. Irish burial and death records and practices are very much different than in the USA. Civil Death records give the name, the cause, the address and the person who reported the expiration. There is no place on the forms that I have obtained over the years for place of burial, physician declaring, spouse name, DOB, parents names and residence. Of course, all data on the certificates is only as good as the knowledge of the person who reported the death whether here or in Ireland.