I have added the following civil parish tithes to the Limerick section of my website: Kilquane Ardpatrick Kilfinny Kilfrush -- Pat Connors, Sacramento, CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Surnames mentioned in this post - Barry, Mulcahy, Pigott, Scully. Pat, thanks for putting your extractions of tithes for Kilfinny civil parish online at http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/LIM/KilfinnyTithes.htm . I am on the trail of Barrys who lived in County Limerick - tracing many different families with that surname, not necessarily all related to one another or to my husband's Barrys who in County Limerick. There were some interesting Barrys (to me anyway) living in Kilfinny parish, in townlands just north of the townland of Kilmacow (which is in Ballingarry civil parish). Pat's tithe extractions show two Barrys (by name) that were there in 1834: James at "Ballyfolin" and "Wm & bros" at Ballynakill (just northeast of Ballyfoleen and Kilfinny village). There were Barry families still living in the same area just before Griffith's Valuation was done, at Ballyfoleen and Kilfinny. But their names were struck off in the house and tenure books in 1850 (pre-Griffith's). No Barrys appear in the civil parish of Kilfinny in Griffith's Valuation (printed in February 1852). Listed in the house books (1850) were James Barry, Thos Barry and Michl Barry, each with 1/3 share of a house in the townland of Ballyfoleen North, Kilfinny civil parish. All 3 names were struck out. The tenure books show them as tenants "at will", with their names also struck out and "down" written beside the entry (meaning the house was torn down). The property was "added to Daniel Scully's farm" according to a margin note. Daniel Scully appears in Griffith's Valuation, but not the Barrys. Scully is shown with house, offices (outbuildings) and over 90 acres of land in Ballyfoleen North; he was also immediate lessor of a "vacant" house. This is just one of many cases I've seen where a family was present in a townland just before Griffith's Valuation (as shown by the house, field or tenure books that were compiled in preparation for the printed version of Griffith's), but gone by the time the revised valuation information was printed in what we call Griffith's Valuation. Also in the house books (1850) in Commons townland, Kilfinny village, the name William Barry was struck out, and "Thos." [Barry] written to replace him and then also struck out. The tenure books show that William Barry had held his property (house & yard) "in fee", "free forever" by lease dated 1830, but the entry for him was struck out and "Down" written beside it. Again, the Barry surname was not present there in Griffith's. James Barry and Ellen Mulcahy had children born in the 1870s at nearby Ballymacamore (Ballymakeamore), also in Kilfinny civil parish. They had married in Ellen's home parish of Monagea / Monagay (Catholic parish) in 1868. The civil marriage record says James Barry was of "Ballymakemore" and lists his father as David Barry, farmer. I am not sure which David Barry this was - there were several in the area nearby. The marriage record also states that Ellen was of Ballinahown [SW of the town of Newcastlewest] and that her father was Denis Mulcahy, farmer. In this case, there were also no Barrys in Ballymakeamore at the time of the tithes or Griffith's, and they were gone by the time the 1901 census was taken. The Valuation Revision lists (aka Canceled Books) show that James Barry replaced Catherine Barry on about 75 acres of land (with house) in1866, and Patrick Pigott replaced James Barry as occupier on the same property in 1884. Catherine Barry had earlier (1862) replaced James Mulcahy on part of this property and John Pigott on another part, so the Barry family was not present in the townland at the time of Griffith's. Where were they before that? Was Catherine the widow of David Barry and the mother of James? I have a few other records for these people if anyone is interested. If you know anything more about these families, like what happened to them and their descendants after they disappeared from these records, please contact me. In the case of Ellen Barry (nee Mulcahy) and her children, I have recently managed to trace them forward to the US, where they lived in Chicago, Illinois. This family is of great interest to me, since my husband's Barrys from a nearby area in Limerick also lived in Chicago (albeit much earlier - late 1850s). Thanks for reading this far. Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon On 10/30/2010 4:25 PM, Pat Connors wrote: > I have added the following civil parish tithes to the Limerick section > of my website: > Kilquane > Ardpatrick > Kilfinny > Kilfrush >

Where can I get a copy of this house books for 1850? thank you. -----Original Message----- From: Geralyn Barry <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, Nov 3, 2010 5:29 pm Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] BARRY family, was Re: new tithe applotments added Surnames mentioned in this post - Barry, Mulcahy, Pigott, Scully. Pat, thanks for putting your extractions of tithes for Kilfinny civil parish nline at http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/LIM/KilfinnyTithes.htm . I am on the trail of Barrys who lived in County Limerick - tracing many ifferent families with that surname, not necessarily all related to one another r to my husband's Barrys who in County Limerick. There were some interesting Barrys (to me anyway) living in Kilfinny parish, in ownlands just north of the townland of Kilmacow (which is in Ballingarry civil arish). Pat's tithe extractions show two Barrys (by name) that were there in 834: James at "Ballyfolin" and "Wm & bros" at Ballynakill (just northeast of allyfoleen and Kilfinny village). There were Barry families still living in the same area just before Griffith's aluation was done, at Ballyfoleen and Kilfinny. But their names were struck off n the house and tenure books in 1850 (pre-Griffith's). No Barrys appear in the ivil parish of Kilfinny in Griffith's Valuation (printed in February 1852). Listed in the house books (1850) were James Barry, Thos Barry and Michl Barry, ach with 1/3 share of a house in the townland of Ballyfoleen North, Kilfinny ivil parish. All 3 names were struck out. The tenure books show them as tenants at will", with their names also struck out and "down" written beside the entry meaning the house was torn down). The property was "added to Daniel Scully's arm" according to a margin note. Daniel Scully appears in Griffith's aluation, but not the Barrys. Scully is shown with house, offices outbuildings) and over 90 acres of land in Ballyfoleen North; he was also mmediate lessor of a "vacant" house. This is just one of many cases I've seen where a family was present in a ownland just before Griffith's Valuation (as shown by the house, field or enure books that were compiled in preparation for the printed version of riffith's), but gone by the time the revised valuation information was printed n what we call Griffith's Valuation. Also in the house books (1850) in Commons townland, Kilfinny village, the name illiam Barry was struck out, and "Thos." [Barry] written to replace him and hen also struck out. The tenure books show that William Barry had held his roperty (house & yard) "in fee", "free forever" by lease dated 1830, but the ntry for him was struck out and "Down" written beside it. Again, the Barry urname was not present there in Griffith's. James Barry and Ellen Mulcahy had children born in the 1870s at nearby allymacamore (Ballymakeamore), also in Kilfinny civil parish. They had married n Ellen's home parish of Monagea / Monagay (Catholic parish) in 1868. The civil arriage record says James Barry was of "Ballymakemore" and lists his father as avid Barry, farmer. I am not sure which David Barry this was - there were everal in the area nearby. The marriage record also states that Ellen was of allinahown [SW of the town of Newcastlewest] and that her father was Denis ulcahy, farmer. In this case, there were also no Barrys in Ballymakeamore at the time of the ithes or Griffith's, and they were gone by the time the 1901 census was taken. he Valuation Revision lists (aka Canceled Books) show that James Barry replaced atherine Barry on about 75 acres of land (with house) in1866, and Patrick igott replaced James Barry as occupier on the same property in 1884. Catherine arry had earlier (1862) replaced James Mulcahy on part of this property and ohn Pigott on another part, so the Barry family was not present in the townland t the time of Griffith's. Where were they before that? Was Catherine the widow f David Barry and the mother of James? I have a few other records for these people if anyone is interested. If you know nything more about these families, like what happened to them and their escendants after they disappeared from these records, please contact me. In the ase of Ellen Barry (nee Mulcahy) and her children, I have recently managed to race them forward to the US, where they lived in Chicago, Illinois. This family s of great interest to me, since my husband's Barrys from a nearby area in imerick also lived in Chicago (albeit much earlier - late 1850s). Thanks for reading this far. eralyn Wood Barry in Oregon On 10/30/2010 4:25 PM, Pat Connors wrote: I have added the following civil parish tithes to the Limerick section of my website: Kilquane Ardpatrick Kilfinny Kilfrush ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

On 11/3/2010 3:32 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Where can I get a copy of this house books for 1850? thank you. > These pre-Griffith's books differ from place to place within Ireland both in content and in date. Are you specifically interested in the house books for Kilfinny civil parish, Barony of Connello Upper, County Limerick? If so, they are available on FHL microfilm 2299685, in item 31 on that film. However, there are 352 microfilms of *manuscript* valuation books - *not* Griffith's Valuation and not the so-called "Canceled Books" - in the collection of the Family History LIbrary. They include tenure books, house books, field books and quarto books. You must figure out which ones apply to the area of interest to you. You can look at them in Salt Lake City or order a copy for viewing at a Family History Center near you. There are in addition, Cancelled Valuation books - another set of records entirely, also available through the Family History Library. I suggest you read the following post I made about this topic one year ago, available in the list archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/irl-limerick/2009-11/1257445736 Regards, Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon

I found your post about the house and tenure books fascinating. I never knew about them! I am a Limerick Barry descendent, also. In 1818 0ur family was just down the road from Kilfinny in Cloncagh parish (Fitzgibbon in Ballyhahil townland). I believe they were there the remainder of their stay in Limerick. My ggggrandmother was Hanora Barry, married to J. Fitzgibbon. She died (1846) just before the family began to emmigrate to America (1847 - 1850). Her daughter Hanora lived in PA and then Minnesota. And HER daughter Hanora married a McDonnell. Jane McDonnell Fascinated with this section of Ireland! On Nov 3, 2010, at 5:29 PM, Geralyn Barry wrote: > Surnames mentioned in this post - Barry, Mulcahy, Pigott, Scully. > > Pat, thanks for putting your extractions of tithes for Kilfinny > civil parish online at http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/LIM/KilfinnyTithes.htm > . > > I am on the trail of Barrys who lived in County Limerick - tracing > many different families with that surname, not necessarily all > related to one another or to my husband's Barrys who in County > Limerick. > > There were some interesting Barrys (to me anyway) living in Kilfinny > parish, in townlands just north of the townland of Kilmacow (which > is in Ballingarry civil parish). Pat's tithe extractions show two > Barrys (by name) that were there in 1834: James at "Ballyfolin" and > "Wm & bros" at Ballynakill (just northeast of Ballyfoleen and > Kilfinny village). > > There were Barry families still living in the same area just before > Griffith's Valuation was done, at Ballyfoleen and Kilfinny. But > their names were struck off in the house and tenure books in 1850 > (pre-Griffith's). No Barrys appear in the civil parish of Kilfinny > in Griffith's Valuation (printed in February 1852). > > Listed in the house books (1850) were James Barry, Thos Barry and > Michl Barry, each with 1/3 share of a house in the townland of > Ballyfoleen North, Kilfinny civil parish. All 3 names were struck > out. The tenure books show them as tenants "at will", with their > names also struck out and "down" written beside the entry (meaning > the house was torn down). The property was "added to Daniel Scully's > farm" according to a margin note. Daniel Scully appears in > Griffith's Valuation, but not the Barrys. Scully is shown with > house, offices (outbuildings) and over 90 acres of land in > Ballyfoleen North; he was also immediate lessor of a "vacant" house. > > This is just one of many cases I've seen where a family was present > in a townland just before Griffith's Valuation (as shown by the > house, field or tenure books that were compiled in preparation for > the printed version of Griffith's), but gone by the time the revised > valuation information was printed in what we call Griffith's > Valuation. > > Also in the house books (1850) in Commons townland, Kilfinny > village, the name William Barry was struck out, and "Thos." [Barry] > written to replace him and then also struck out. The tenure books > show that William Barry had held his property (house & yard) "in > fee", "free forever" by lease dated 1830, but the entry for him was > struck out and "Down" written beside it. Again, the Barry surname > was not present there in Griffith's. > > James Barry and Ellen Mulcahy had children born in the 1870s at > nearby Ballymacamore (Ballymakeamore), also in Kilfinny civil > parish. They had married in Ellen's home parish of Monagea / > Monagay (Catholic parish) in 1868. The civil marriage record says > James Barry was of "Ballymakemore" and lists his father as David > Barry, farmer. I am not sure which David Barry this was - there were > several in the area nearby. The marriage record also states that > Ellen was of Ballinahown [SW of the town of Newcastlewest] and that > her father was Denis Mulcahy, farmer. > > In this case, there were also no Barrys in Ballymakeamore at the > time of the tithes or Griffith's, and they were gone by the time the > 1901 census was taken. The Valuation Revision lists (aka Canceled > Books) show that James Barry replaced Catherine Barry on about 75 > acres of land (with house) in1866, and Patrick Pigott replaced James > Barry as occupier on the same property in 1884. Catherine Barry had > earlier (1862) replaced James Mulcahy on part of this property and > John Pigott on another part, so the Barry family was not present in > the townland at the time of Griffith's. Where were they before that? > Was Catherine the widow of David Barry and the mother of James? > > I have a few other records for these people if anyone is interested. > If you know anything more about these families, like what happened > to them and their descendants after they disappeared from these > records, please contact me. In the case of Ellen Barry (nee Mulcahy) > and her children, I have recently managed to trace them forward to > the US, where they lived in Chicago, Illinois. This family is of > great interest to me, since my husband's Barrys from a nearby area > in Limerick also lived in Chicago (albeit much earlier - late 1850s). > > Thanks for reading this far. > Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon > > On 10/30/2010 4:25 PM, Pat Connors wrote: >> I have added the following civil parish tithes to the Limerick >> section >> of my website: >> Kilquane >> Ardpatrick >> Kilfinny >> Kilfrush >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message