Ran across something odd today on the IFHF site (http://www.rootsireland.ie/) and can't figure out if I'm being particularly dense today or what, thought I'd run it past you guys and see if anyone could help: I found a marriage record as follows: Civil Marriage Looby Daniel 1887 Co. Tipperary Parish: CAPPAGH (CP) Civil Marriage Quillinan Catherine 1887 Co. Tipperary Parish: CAPPAGH (CP) What's weird here is that as far as I know there is no Cappagh Civil Parish in Co Tipperary South, so how is this record coming up? When you check IFHF's online source records available for Co Tipperary South http://www.rootsireland.ie/ifhf/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=sources it does not even list a Cappagh Civil Parish under their Civil Records! What's really odd too is that I also found these records: Church Marriage Looby Daniel 1887 Co. Limerick Parish: DOON (RC) Church Marriage Quillinan Catherine 1887 Co. Limerick Parish: DOON (RC) And at first glance thought that this was just the 'flip side of the coin' i.e., the Church records that corresponded with the civil records; however, the RC parish of Doon is nowhere near the civil parish of Cappagh in Co Limerick, so I'm very confused here. Is there a Cappagh Civil Parish in Co Tipperary? If so, where the heck is it? Thanks in advance for any help! Kathy Researching Shanahan / Luby / Looby Co Tipperary / Co Limerick

Kathy, Cappawhite parish was also called Cappa(gh) parish for a long time. Janet On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Little.House.Antiques <[email protected]> wrote: > Ran across something odd today on the IFHF site (http://www.rootsireland.ie/) > and can't figure out if I'm being particularly dense today or what, > thought I'd run it past you guys and see if anyone could help: > > I found a marriage record as follows: > > Civil Marriage Looby Daniel 1887 Co. Tipperary Parish: CAPPAGH (CP) > Civil Marriage Quillinan Catherine 1887 Co. Tipperary Parish: CAPPAGH (CP) > > What's weird here is that as far as I know there is no Cappagh Civil Parish > in Co Tipperary South, so how is this record coming up? > > When you check IFHF's online source records available for Co Tipperary South > http://www.rootsireland.ie/ifhf/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=sources > it does not even list a Cappagh Civil Parish under their Civil Records! > > What's really odd too is that I also found these records: > > Church Marriage Looby Daniel 1887 Co. Limerick  Parish: DOON (RC) > Church Marriage Quillinan Catherine 1887 Co. Limerick Parish: DOON (RC) > > And at first glance thought that this was just the 'flip side of the coin' > i.e., the Church records that corresponded with the civil records; however, > the RC parish of Doon is nowhere near the civil parish of Cappagh in Co > Limerick, so I'm very confused here. > > Is there a Cappagh Civil Parish in Co Tipperary?  If so, where the heck is it? > > Thanks in advance for any help! > Kathy > Researching Shanahan / Luby / Looby > Co Tipperary / Co Limerick > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Cappagh is not the name of the civil parish in which the marriage occurred. Cappagh is the name of the Registrar's District (RD), which is located within the larger Superintendent Registrar' District (SRD) called Tipperary (SRD). Part of the RD of Cappagh is located in County Tipperary and part in County Limerick. The list of "Civil Districts" (they are actually RDs) at Tipperary South http://www.rootsireland.ie/ifhf/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=sources <http://www.rootsireland.ie/ifhf/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=sources> seems to be calling it Cappawhite. The divisions for civil registration evolved from the old Poor Law Union divisions, so the SRD has the same name as the old Poor Law Union (Tipperary in this case). The Poor Law Union of Tipperary is part in County Limerick and the larger part in County Tipperary. Perhaps IFHF decided to let civil records from Cappagh RD be handled by Tipperary South instead of sharing between two Heritage Centers, Limerick and South Tipperary. It's good to keep in mind that Poor Law Unions (and therefore SRDs for civil registration) can straddle county borders. If you find a marriage registered in Cappagh RD, you will need to look at the actual civil record to determine whether the marriage occurred in County Tipperary or in County Limerick. Or you can find the corresponding church marriage record, which in your case, Kathy, indicates the marriage occurred in the RC parish of Doon, which must be in the Limerick part of Cappagh RD. (There are other border locations where this is also true.) What complicates matters is that these RDs and SRDs sometimes have the same names as townlands, civil or church parishes and even counties. Understanding administrative divisions in Ireland is important for finding the right records. For civil registration, I recommend a handy little booklet called "Irish Civil Registration - Where Do I Start?" by Eileen M. O Duill and Steven C. ffeary-Smyrl. It is No. 2 in the series called Exploring Irish Genealogy published by the Council of Irish Genealogical Organisations (CIGO). It is available in the US from the Irish Genealogical Society International (IGSI) bookstore at http://72.10.34.82/bookstore - search on the keywords civil registration. Cost from them is $6 plus $2 shipping within US. Or available from CIGO directly - http://www.cigo.ie/eig2.html for €5 plus shipping €1.30 within Ireland, €2.85 "Rest of World ". It is well worth the small price! The list in Appendix 2 is especially helpful. For each county, it lists the SRDs with all the RDs that fall either partly or wholly within that county. For example, on p. 59, under County Limerick, I see two RDs listed within Tipperary SRD: Cappagh and Grean. On p. 62, under County Tipperary, there are 6 RDs within Tipperary SRD: Bansha, Cappagh, Emly, Golden, Grean and Tipperary. So it appears that the RDs of Cappagh and Grean both straddle the Limerick-Tipperary border. I also found a webpage where someone interested in the same area talks about all the various administrative divisions - http://www.buckleysofcappawhite.com/theplacecappawhite/administrativegeography.html . See especially the section called Poor Law Unions, SRDs, RD,s & EDs. Geralyn Wood Barry On 3/23/2011 9:15 AM, Little.House.Antiques wrote: > Ran across something odd today on the IFHF site (http://www.rootsireland.ie/) > and can't figure out if I'm being particularly dense today or what, > thought I'd run it past you guys and see if anyone could help: > > I found a marriage record as follows: > > Civil Marriage Looby Daniel 1887 Co. Tipperary Parish: CAPPAGH (CP) > Civil Marriage Quillinan Catherine 1887 Co. Tipperary Parish: CAPPAGH (CP) > > What's weird here is that as far as I know there is no Cappagh Civil Parish > in Co Tipperary South, so how is this record coming up? > > When you check IFHF's online source records available for Co Tipperary South > http://www.rootsireland.ie/ifhf/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=sources > it does not even list a Cappagh Civil Parish under their Civil Records! > > What's really odd too is that I also found these records: > > Church Marriage Looby Daniel 1887 Co. Limerick Parish: DOON (RC) > Church Marriage Quillinan Catherine 1887 Co. Limerick Parish: DOON (RC) > > And at first glance thought that this was just the 'flip side of the coin' > i.e., the Church records that corresponded with the civil records; however, > the RC parish of Doon is nowhere near the civil parish of Cappagh in Co > Limerick, so I'm very confused here. > > Is there a Cappagh Civil Parish in Co Tipperary? If so, where the heck is it? >