Does anyone have Sullivan family in Herbertstown Co. Limerick? I have a john sullivan d. 1832 I can't link up.   Bonnie Be kinder than necessary because everyone you know is fighting some kind of battle. ________________________________ From: diane lavazza <lavazzadiane@yahoo.com> To: "irl-limerick@rootsweb.com" <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:43:35 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] O'Sullivan/Sullivan Hi Cathy,   Have you checked the Griffith's Evalution, I think that is what it is called.  My GGrandfather was a Sullivan also.  He was born about 1852 and I believe it was in Limerick.  Do you have any info on your Grandfather;s family?   Diane ________________________________ From: "popsballyagran@aol.com" <popsballyagran@aol.com> To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com; irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:19 AM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] O'Sullivan/Sullivan   I was wondering if anyone had any clue how I could go about locating the street/area where my Grandfather grew up in Ballyagran, Limerick in 1879.  I do know that his family was part of St. Michael's (Coleman's Well).. Any help would be much appreciated! Thank you, Cathy O'Sullivan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Today I received a death record of a John Lynch, labourer age 40 who died at Ramsdene St Collingwood 22nd March 1866. His parents were shown as Patrick LYNCH a farmer and Bridget LYNCH formerly McGRATH. The informant on the death record was his brother Patrick Lynch of Nelson St Williamstown who stated John was from Limerick, Ireland and had been in Victoria about 15 years and was unmarried. There was an inquest into his death 23rd March 1866[Rupture of liver and extravasation? of blood]. I know my John Lynch's father's name was Patrick but have no idea of his mother's name or any siblings so was hoping this record may shed some light on my missing gg grandfather John Lynch. I don't feel he is my John Lynch as mine was born in Kilrush Co Clare in 1827 according to his army record and came to NSW in 1853 on the "William Prowse" from India, with his wife and infant daughter and had another daughter in 1859 in Sydney. His wife remarried in 1865 so I presume he had died between 1859 and 1865 but no death record can be found for him in NSW. He was in trouble with the law in NSW and spent time in gaol 1853-1855 that I know of. If anyone has a missing Patrick & John Lynch b abt 1826 with parents Patrick & Bridget nee McGrath in Limerick, I would be delighted to hear from them. Regards Joan in NSW, Australia

Hi Joan,   I think you may have it paydirt!!!   My GGrandfather was Thomas Lynch born Jun 1816 in St. Michaels, Limerick.  His parents were John Lynch and Margaret Browne.  He did have a brother John but not sure of the date of birth. He also had a brother Patrick, dob not known.    Margaret's parents were Thomas Browne and Johanna Flannery.  Margaret had a sister Jane who married Thomas McGrath and the had a daughter Margaret McGrath born June 18,1795 in St. Michaels, Limerick.  Perhaps Jane and Margaret had a sister Bridget who married a Lynch also.  Very confusing but it does look like the lines may be connected.  Siblings used the same family names and John would have been used by both Thomas and Patrick for their first sons.  If you have any other info, let me know and I can check it out.  My GGGrandfather had a daughter Catherine who married a John Sullivan.  When I was looking for her marriage certificate, I came across another Catherine who married a Sullivan and her father's first name was Patrick.  I have always wondered if I had the right father.  Seems like I need to investigate a little further.  Hope this helps a little.   Warm Regards, Diane, USA From: Joan Birtles <joanbirtles@bigpond.com> To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 2:54 AM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] John & Patrick Lynch in Victoria Australia Hello Today I received a death record of a John Lynch, labourer age 40 who died at Ramsdene St Collingwood 22nd March 1866.  His parents were shown as Patrick LYNCH a farmer and Bridget LYNCH formerly McGRATH.      The informant on the death record was his brother Patrick Lynch of Nelson St Williamstown who stated John was from Limerick, Ireland and had been in Victoria about 15 years and was unmarried.    There was an inquest into his death 23rd March 1866[Rupture of liver and extravasation?  of blood]. I know my John Lynch's father's name was Patrick but have no idea of his mother's name or any siblings so was hoping this record may shed some light on my missing gg grandfather John Lynch. I don't feel he is my John Lynch as mine was born in Kilrush Co Clare in 1827 according to his army record and came to NSW in 1853 on the "William Prowse" from India, with his wife and infant daughter and had another daughter in 1859 in Sydney.  His wife remarried in 1865 so I presume he had died between 1859 and 1865 but no death record can be found for him in NSW. He was in trouble with the law in NSW and spent time in gaol 1853-1855 that I know of. If anyone has a missing Patrick & John Lynch b abt 1826 with parents Patrick & Bridget nee McGrath in Limerick, I would be delighted to hear from them. Regards Joan in NSW, Australia ====================== Query Board http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you want to have a little fun when you get to Killaghteen go to the local Pub, put your picture on the bar, don't say a word about it and make sure it can be seen. Someone there will recoginize it and your cousins will know you are in town. Newcastle is a beautiful place. Enjoy your trip. Bob Ryan > > My great-grandfather, Michael Flanagan, married to Anne McEnery, lived in > Newcastle West, County Limerick. They were the parents of my grandfather, > John Joseph, who arrived in the USA in 1896. The family resided in > Killaghteen townland until 1961. My grandfather's siblings were Daniel, > Matthew, Mortimer,Patrick Nora, and Mary. > I have a wonderful old photo of, I think, this family, taken outside a > thatched home. I will be in Ireland for the month of september. Any help > will be appreciated. > > Gerald Flanaganh > ====================== > Query Board > http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My great-grandfather, Michael Flanagan, married to Anne McEnery, lived in Newcastle West, County Limerick. They were the parents of my grandfather, John Joseph, who arrived in the USA in 1896. The family resided in Killaghteen townland until 1961. My grandfather's siblings were Daniel, Matthew, Mortimer,Patrick Nora, and Mary. I have a wonderful old photo of, I think, this family, taken outside a thatched home. I will be in Ireland for the month of september. Any help will be appreciated. Gerald Flanaganh

Jan, I have in my notes about FHL 2299190 (it. 15) that Knockainy parish begins on frame 531 and that Thomas Wyse Esqr. is mentioned on a page for the townland of Bottomstown (frame 567). This might be the entry for the National School land that your John Gallagher appears as occupier on in Griffith's Valuation. However, I did not do an extraction of that entry and did not copy that page so I cannot check that. This is called a tenure book in the FHL catalog, but I have in my notes that it says "Perambulation Book" in frame 532. The House Books for Knockainy parish are on FHL 2299880 (it. 6). The index to Knockainy parish on frame 171 shows that Bottomstown begins on p. 50, but I did not copy the entry for Bottomstown or make any notes about the townland. Some of the other townlands show dates beginning in Sept and Oct 1848 with revisions running through June 1850. The valuation revision lists for Knockainy are on FHL 848947, but I did not copy or note anything pertinent to your search when I looked at that film. I was looking for people named Barry on these films - there were many in the parish... Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon, USA On 8/30/2012 12:34 PM, Jan Fortado wrote: > I have used Tenure and House Books before, either on FHC films or at the National Archives in Dublinas well as Cancelled Land Books, also on FHC films or at the Valuation Office in Dublin. I have John's information on my "to-do" list now for both pre- and post-Griffith's land information.

Thank you Geralynn and Paul for your helpful answers. The online version I use for Griffith's does nothave the introductory pages you mentioned, but the last townland mentioned in this parish does havethe date - December 1850. I had not noticed this date before, perhaps because I seldom am lookingat the last townland listed in a parish so I appreciate having that information. I have used Tenure and House Books before, either on FHC films or at the National Archives in Dublinas well as Cancelled Land Books, also on FHC films or at the Valuation Office in Dublin. I have John's information on my "to-do" list now for both pre- and post-Griffith's land information. Although some people were baptized in a parish other than the one where they lived, I have notfound that to be the case with my family so far. The idea that John was in Knockainy in 1850 and then had a child baptized in Glenroe and Ballyorgan parish in 1855, opens the door to John being the teacher in Glenroe parish in 1855. It also means, since the youngest child was born in Ballylanders parish, that he might have moved there the year the youngest child was born. He left the Glenroe School, and the author of the book on the school surmises where he went. It is possible he left Glenroe and began teaching in Ballylanders. I am quite sure he is not the one who emigrated to Australia, as the author proposes. Thank you again, very much, for your responses.

Re ply two #1 The Riordon we know is Reardon in Fresno/Clovis in California. We haven't seen them in many years. Roland Young -----Original Message----- From: irl-limerick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-limerick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of irl-limerick-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:01 PM To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Subject: IRL-LIMERICK Digest, Vol 7, Issue 160 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ DELETE all extra text in the Digest Today's Topics: 1. Re: Looking for the date of Griffith's in Knockainy parish (Geralyn Barry) 2. Re: Sullivan / O'Sullivan (pvmeistrel@aol.com) 3. Re: Sullivan / O'Sullivan (Bonita Spall) 4. Re: Sullivan / O'Sullivan (diane lavazza) 5. Re: Sullivan / O'Sullivan (diane lavazza) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 00:54:08 -0700 From: Geralyn Barry <gbarry@proaxis.com> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Looking for the date of Griffith's in Knockainy parish To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <503DCAA0.7010708@proaxis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Jan, John Gallagher is listed in Griffith's Valuation as occupier on lot 48b (Natl. Schoolhouse & garden - area 0 0 23) in the townland of Bottomstown, civil parish of Knockainy, County Limerick. The immediate lessor is Patrick Riordon. Riordan also appears as occupier on lot 48a (House, offices and land - area 60 0 16) with Thomas Wyse, Esq. as immediate lessor. Lot 48 appears on p. 71 (as stamped in upper RH corner of page) of Griffith's Valuation for the Barony of Smallcounty. Griffith's Valuation is arranged by barony, then parish. If you go all the way back to the beginning of the barony (before p. 1), the printing date usually appears on a title page, along with a date and place for appeals to be made about the valuation. For the Barony of Smallcounty (Unions of Croom, Limerick and Kilmallock), the first parish listed (p. 1) is Athneasy. That page is preceded by an index to the parishes (beginning on page xi). That is preceded by a list by parish (beginning on p. vii) of "Tenements appropriated to Public or Charitable purposes..." (which again includes the listing for John Gallagher on lot 48b in Bottomstown, as described above because it is a school property). Before that is an appeals form, then a few pages stating the act under which the valuation was done. Finally at the very beginning of the barony is a title page for the Barony of Smallcounty, which lists a printing date of 5 March 1851. There is also sometimes (not always) a date given in Griffith's Valuation at the end of a parish. Rathanny is the last townland listed in Knockainy parish. Listings for Rathanny townland end on p. 85. In this case, there is a date on p. 85: Dec 1850 (no day given). This, I infer, is the date of the last revision prior to the printing date. In other words, it is the date of the information that ended up being printed on 5 March 1851. This printed version of the valuation is what we call Griffith's Valuation. However, earlier manuscript valuation books containing information gathered by valuators in preparing Griffith's Valuation sometimes survived. These manuscript books (perambulation books - as Paul mentioned, house books, field books, etc.) might have gone through several revisions before arriving at the version of data that was printed as Griffith's Valuation. These books often contain dates of the revisions. I have seen some manuscript valuation books (on FHL microfilm) that pre-date Griffith's by 3 years or so and were revised a few times in those years. Availability and date vary with location. Sometimes the only version that survived is very close to (or identical to) what was printed as Griffith's Valuation, which is not as interesting as being able to follow the changes in property over a few years just before Griffith's, which is often during or just after the Famine years - a time of great upheaval in land tenure in Ireland. After Griffith's Valuation, the valuation (taxes on property) continued to be revised, with changes in holdings noted (usually with a year) in a handwritten book. When a book became too cluttered with changes, a new book had to be started. The current information was then copied into a new book, and the process began over again. These books are the so-called "Canceled Books" or valuation revision lists (also available through the Family History Library). Sometimes there is a gap of 10 or more years between Griffith's Valuation and the first surviving revision list for a particular place. In your case, Jan, Griffith's Valuation seems to put a John Gallagher on National School property in the townland of Bottomstown, civil parish of Knockainy, County Limerick, in December 1850. You could perhaps find pre-Griffith's valuation records (manuscript valuation books) and later revision lists and check for him in Knockainy civil parish and other places where you think he might have lived. Many of the surviving books are available through the Family History Library. I have mentioned them before on this list and on the Tipperary and Laois lists. For my analysis above, I used the version of Griffith's Valuation that appears online at the subscription website Irish Origins http://www.origins.net/. I do not know if the free online versions of Griffith's include images of the additional pages I mentioned above (the pages with Roman numeral pagination). Jan, here is something else to consider. I have found that, for one reason or another, children were sometimes baptized in a Catholic parish different from the one in which they were born or different from the one in which their parents usually resided. By comparing civil birth records (1864 and later) with baptismal records, I have discovered that some mothers returned to their "home" parish to give birth where their own family still lived; female relatives of the mother sometimes also appear as informant on civil birth records. This was often for births of the first child or first few children. When a child was born in the mother's parish, it was sometimes baptized there also; but sometimes the child was baptized in the parish where the mother and father actually lived. Sometimes the residence of the child's father is given as out of the country (e.g., "America" or "London") on a civil birth record - another possible reason for a woman to return "home" to give birth or hav! e her child baptized. Or perhaps a child was baptized by a relative who was a priest, with the baptism occurring in the priest's parish for his convenience. It seems reasonable that families whose work caused them to move around (like National School teachers perhaps?) might have had their children baptized in parishes other than where they were living at the time of the child's birth because they had close ties to other parishes. So, learning the place of baptism of a child does not *necessarily* tell you where a family "usually" lived. You are lucky if a parish register lists a townland of residence for the family (not all Catholic parish registers in Co. Limerick do). Do any of the Gallagher baptismal records you found include a townland of residence? Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon, USA very interested in Barrys who lived in Knockainy parish & elsewhere in Limerick On 8/28/2012 7:14 PM, Paul Keroack wrote: > Jan, > > The book "Richard Griffith and his Valuations of Ireland," by James R. Reilly, > Clearfield, 2001, describes in detail how the valuations were created. On p. > 32, the author indicates that the "Perambulation book" created on site, was > signed and dated by the individual valuator before it was sent to Dublin for > printing. One would have to examine the signature date to have a good idea when > the names of the "ratepayers" (tenants) were identified on the property. > > A table in the back of Reilly's book lists the printing dates of each volume, by > Poor Law Union. Knockainy parish is in the Kilmallock Poor Law Union. However, > "Croom, Kilmallock, Newcastle & Rathkeale" was printed on 10 Feb. 1852; "Croom, > Kilmallock & Rathkeale" on 8 Dec. 1851 and "Croom, Limerick & Rathkeale" on 5 > March 1851. (Only the latter has a FHL film # of 844987). So one needs to find > out which of these volumes includes Knockainy! > > It seems a bit complicated. Perhaps some additional method of ascertaining the > info has been developed since Reilly's book ws published. > > Paul > > ________________________________ > From: Jan Fortado <janfortado2007@hotmail.com> > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, August 28, 2012 2:57:38 PM > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Looking for the date of Griffith's in Knockainy parish > > Does anyone know if the dates for Griffith's for the various parishes are online > anywhere? I am following up on a John Gallagher, National School Teacher. In > Griffith's there was a John Gallagherliving on National School property in > Knockainy parish. There was also a John Gallagher who was listedas at NT in both > Glenroe and Ballyorgan, Limerick, from 1855-1858. If any of those years was the > yearthat Griffith's was published for Knockainy parish, then it is likely there > were two John Gallagherswho were National Teachers. Just to make matters more > complicated, there is a John Gallagher having children with an AnnMcNamara in > Knockainy parish in the 1850's, but in between there is a John Gallagher > andNancy McNamara having a child in Glenroe and Ballyorgan RC parish and a John > Gallagher andAnn McNamara having a child in Ballylanders RC parish. Because > Nancy and Ann are interchangeablethis could be the same family. > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 07:19:43 -0700 From: pvmeistrel@aol.com Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Sullivan / O'Sullivan To: "irl-limerick@rootsweb.com" <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <15082131-6A37-407E-92F7-61617BBDC68A@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I traced my Sullivan's / Osullivans to west Limerick- near the town of Loghill. My James left for Canada in 1823. His descendants later went to MN. James had a brother Michael who came in 1834 to join his brother. He disappeared soon after and I believe he moved on to better farming. Is that too early for your Michael? Rita Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2012, at 12:01 AM, irl-limerick-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > I too have O'sullivan/Sullivan from Limerick.My ggrandfather was Michael O'sullivan married a McNamara and had 4 children, 2 boys, 2 girls. Ring any bells??? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:33:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bonita Spall <spall@rogers.com> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Sullivan / O'Sullivan To: "irl-limerick@rootsweb.com" <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1346268801.61294.YahooMailNeo@web88502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Not sure we connect. ggggrandfather born in 1815, married Mary McNamara b. 1815 in 1838. Had 4 children Patrick 1840, Michael 1841, Catherine 1844 and Julia (Johanna) 1846 ? Bonnie Be kinder than necessary because everyone you know is fighting some kind of battle. ________________________________ From: "pvmeistrel@aol.com" <pvmeistrel@aol.com> To: "irl-limerick@rootsweb.com" <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:19:43 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Sullivan / O'Sullivan I traced my Sullivan's / Osullivans to west Limerick- near the town of Loghill.? My James left for Canada in 1823.? His descendants later went to MN.? James had a brother Michael who came in 1834 to join his brother.? He disappeared soon after and I believe he moved on to better farming. Is that too early for your Michael? Rita Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2012, at 12:01 AM, irl-limerick-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > I too have O'sullivan/Sullivan from Limerick.My ggrandfather was Michael O'sullivan married a McNamara and had 4 children, 2 boys, 2 girls. Ring any bells??? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:01:16 -0700 (PDT) From: diane lavazza <lavazzadiane@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Sullivan / O'Sullivan To: Bonita Spall <spall@rogers.com>, "irl-limerick@rootsweb.com" <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com>, "irl-limerick@rootsweb.com" <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1346292076.21791.YahooMailNeo@web161601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, ? Heard about the Sullivans and I too have from Limerick.? Maurice "John" Sullivan and Margaret James parents of my Ggrandfather John Sullivan born in St. Michaels, Church of Ireland Dec. 30th, 1850.? He married Catherine Lynch born March 28, 1855 in St. Michaels RC.? They married in 1872 in Shanagolden, Limerick, RC.? Maurice John was born July1, 1829 in St. Michaels, RC and Margaret James was born Feb. 14, 1821 in St. Mary's, Church of Ireland.?? Catherines parents, I was told, were Thomas Lynch born 1816 in St. Michaels and Eleen O'Donnell born in Bruff Ireland in 1815.? Not sure if anyone has a connection but worth a shot.? ? Diane From: Bonita Spall <spall@rogers.com> To: "irl-limerick@rootsweb.com" <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Sullivan / O'Sullivan Not sure we connect. ggggrandfather born in 1815, married Mary McNamara b. 1815 in 1838. Had 4 children Patrick 1840, Michael 1841, Catherine 1844 and Julia (Johanna) 1846 ? Bonnie Be kinder than necessary because everyone you know is fighting some kind of battle. ________________________________ From: "pvmeistrel@aol.com" <pvmeistrel@aol.com> To: "irl-limerick@rootsweb.com" <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:19:43 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Sullivan / O'Sullivan I traced my Sullivan's / Osullivans to west Limerick- near the town of Loghill.? My James left for Canada in 1823.? His descendants later went to MN.? James had a brother Michael who came in 1834 to join his brother.? He disappeared soon after and I believe he moved on to better farming. Is that too early for your Michael? Rita Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2012, at 12:01 AM, irl-limerick-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > I too have O'sullivan/Sullivan from Limerick.My ggrandfather was Michael O'sullivan married a McNamara and had 4 children, 2 boys, 2 girls. Ring any bells??? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ====================== Query Board http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:01:16 -0700 (PDT) From: diane lavazza <lavazzadiane@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Sullivan / O'Sullivan To: Bonita Spall <spall@rogers.com>, "irl-limerick@rootsweb.com" <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com>, "irl-limerick@rootsweb.com" <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1346292076.21791.YahooMailNeo@web161601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, ? Heard about the Sullivans and I too have from Limerick.? Maurice "John" Sullivan and Margaret James parents of my Ggrandfather John Sullivan born in St. Michaels, Church of Ireland Dec. 30th, 1850.? He married Catherine Lynch born March 28, 1855 in St. Michaels RC.? They married in 1872 in Shanagolden, Limerick, RC.? Maurice John was born July1, 1829 in St. Michaels, RC and Margaret James was born Feb. 14, 1821 in St. Mary's, Church of Ireland.?? Catherines parents, I was told, were Thomas Lynch born 1816 in St. Michaels and Eleen O'Donnell born in Bruff Ireland in 1815.? Not sure if anyone has a connection but worth a shot.? ? Diane From: Bonita Spall <spall@rogers.com> To: "irl-limerick@rootsweb.com" <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Sullivan / O'Sullivan Not sure we connect. ggggrandfather born in 1815, married Mary McNamara b. 1815 in 1838. Had 4 children Patrick 1840, Michael 1841, Catherine 1844 and Julia (Johanna) 1846 ? Bonnie Be kinder than necessary because everyone you know is fighting some kind of battle. ________________________________ From: "pvmeistrel@aol.com" <pvmeistrel@aol.com> To: "irl-limerick@rootsweb.com" <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:19:43 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Sullivan / O'Sullivan I traced my Sullivan's / Osullivans to west Limerick- near the town of Loghill.? My James left for Canada in 1823.? His descendants later went to MN.? James had a brother Michael who came in 1834 to join his brother.? He disappeared soon after and I believe he moved on to better farming. Is that too early for your Michael? Rita Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2012, at 12:01 AM, irl-limerick-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > I too have O'sullivan/Sullivan from Limerick.My ggrandfather was Michael O'sullivan married a McNamara and had 4 children, 2 boys, 2 girls. 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My great great grandmother was Ellen O'Sullivan. She married John Meehan sometime in very early 1800's. Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: "diane lavazza" <lavazzadiane@yahoo.com> To: "Bonita Spall" <spall@rogers.com>, irl-limerick@rootsweb.com, irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:01:16 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Sullivan / O'Sullivan Hi,   Heard about the Sullivans and I too have from Limerick.  Maurice "John" Sullivan and Margaret James parents of my Ggrandfather John Sullivan born in St. Michaels, Church of Ireland Dec. 30th, 1850.  He married Catherine Lynch born March 28, 1855 in St. Michaels RC.  They married in 1872 in Shanagolden, Limerick, RC.  Maurice John was born July1, 1829 in St. Michaels, RC and Margaret James was born Feb. 14, 1821 in St. Mary's, Church of Ireland.   Catherines parents, I was told, were Thomas Lynch born 1816 in St. Michaels and Eleen O'Donnell born in Bruff Ireland in 1815.  Not sure if anyone has a connection but worth a shot.    Diane From: Bonita Spall <spall@rogers.com> To: "irl-limerick@rootsweb.com" <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Sullivan / O'Sullivan Not sure we connect. ggggrandfather born in 1815, married Mary McNamara b. 1815 in 1838. Had 4 children Patrick 1840, Michael 1841, Catherine 1844 and Julia (Johanna) 1846   Bonnie Be kinder than necessary because everyone you know is fighting some kind of battle. ________________________________ From: "pvmeistrel@aol.com" <pvmeistrel@aol.com> To: "irl-limerick@rootsweb.com" <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:19:43 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Sullivan / O'Sullivan I traced my Sullivan's / Osullivans to west Limerick- near the town of Loghill.  My James left for Canada in 1823.  His descendants later went to MN.  James had a brother Michael who came in 1834 to join his brother.  He disappeared soon after and I believe he moved on to better farming. Is that too early for your Michael? Rita Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2012, at 12:01 AM, irl-limerick-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > I too have O'sullivan/Sullivan from Limerick.My ggrandfather was Michael O'sullivan married a McNamara and had 4 children, 2 boys, 2 girls. Ring any bells??? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ====================== Query Board http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ====================== Query Board http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi,   Heard about the Sullivans and I too have from Limerick.  Maurice "John" Sullivan and Margaret James parents of my Ggrandfather John Sullivan born in St. Michaels, Church of Ireland Dec. 30th, 1850.  He married Catherine Lynch born March 28, 1855 in St. Michaels RC.  They married in 1872 in Shanagolden, Limerick, RC.  Maurice John was born July1, 1829 in St. Michaels, RC and Margaret James was born Feb. 14, 1821 in St. Mary's, Church of Ireland.   Catherines parents, I was told, were Thomas Lynch born 1816 in St. Michaels and Eleen O'Donnell born in Bruff Ireland in 1815.  Not sure if anyone has a connection but worth a shot.    Diane From: Bonita Spall <spall@rogers.com> To: "irl-limerick@rootsweb.com" <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Sullivan / O'Sullivan Not sure we connect. ggggrandfather born in 1815, married Mary McNamara b. 1815 in 1838. Had 4 children Patrick 1840, Michael 1841, Catherine 1844 and Julia (Johanna) 1846   Bonnie Be kinder than necessary because everyone you know is fighting some kind of battle. ________________________________ From: "pvmeistrel@aol.com" <pvmeistrel@aol.com> To: "irl-limerick@rootsweb.com" <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:19:43 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Sullivan / O'Sullivan I traced my Sullivan's / Osullivans to west Limerick- near the town of Loghill.  My James left for Canada in 1823.  His descendants later went to MN.  James had a brother Michael who came in 1834 to join his brother.  He disappeared soon after and I believe he moved on to better farming. Is that too early for your Michael? Rita Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2012, at 12:01 AM, irl-limerick-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > I too have O'sullivan/Sullivan from Limerick.My ggrandfather was Michael O'sullivan married a McNamara and had 4 children, 2 boys, 2 girls. Ring any bells??? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ====================== Query Board http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not sure we connect. ggggrandfather born in 1815, married Mary McNamara b. 1815 in 1838. Had 4 children Patrick 1840, Michael 1841, Catherine 1844 and Julia (Johanna) 1846   Bonnie Be kinder than necessary because everyone you know is fighting some kind of battle. ________________________________ From: "pvmeistrel@aol.com" <pvmeistrel@aol.com> To: "irl-limerick@rootsweb.com" <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:19:43 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Sullivan / O'Sullivan I traced my Sullivan's / Osullivans to west Limerick- near the town of Loghill.  My James left for Canada in 1823.  His descendants later went to MN.  James had a brother Michael who came in 1834 to join his brother.  He disappeared soon after and I believe he moved on to better farming. Is that too early for your Michael? Rita Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2012, at 12:01 AM, irl-limerick-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > I too have O'sullivan/Sullivan from Limerick.My ggrandfather was Michael O'sullivan married a McNamara and had 4 children, 2 boys, 2 girls. Ring any bells??? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I traced my Sullivan's / Osullivans to west Limerick- near the town of Loghill. My James left for Canada in 1823. His descendants later went to MN. James had a brother Michael who came in 1834 to join his brother. He disappeared soon after and I believe he moved on to better farming. Is that too early for your Michael? Rita Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2012, at 12:01 AM, irl-limerick-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > I too have O'sullivan/Sullivan from Limerick.My ggrandfather was Michael O'sullivan married a McNamara and had 4 children, 2 boys, 2 girls. Ring any bells???

Jan, John Gallagher is listed in Griffith's Valuation as occupier on lot 48b (Natl. Schoolhouse & garden - area 0 0 23) in the townland of Bottomstown, civil parish of Knockainy, County Limerick. The immediate lessor is Patrick Riordon. Riordan also appears as occupier on lot 48a (House, offices and land - area 60 0 16) with Thomas Wyse, Esq. as immediate lessor. Lot 48 appears on p. 71 (as stamped in upper RH corner of page) of Griffith's Valuation for the Barony of Smallcounty. Griffith's Valuation is arranged by barony, then parish. If you go all the way back to the beginning of the barony (before p. 1), the printing date usually appears on a title page, along with a date and place for appeals to be made about the valuation. For the Barony of Smallcounty (Unions of Croom, Limerick and Kilmallock), the first parish listed (p. 1) is Athneasy. That page is preceded by an index to the parishes (beginning on page xi). That is preceded by a list by parish (beginning on p. vii) of "Tenements appropriated to Public or Charitable purposes..." (which again includes the listing for John Gallagher on lot 48b in Bottomstown, as described above because it is a school property). Before that is an appeals form, then a few pages stating the act under which the valuation was done. Finally at the very beginning of the barony is a title page for the Barony of Smallcounty, which lists a printing date of 5 March 1851. There is also sometimes (not always) a date given in Griffith's Valuation at the end of a parish. Rathanny is the last townland listed in Knockainy parish. Listings for Rathanny townland end on p. 85. In this case, there is a date on p. 85: Dec 1850 (no day given). This, I infer, is the date of the last revision prior to the printing date. In other words, it is the date of the information that ended up being printed on 5 March 1851. This printed version of the valuation is what we call Griffith's Valuation. However, earlier manuscript valuation books containing information gathered by valuators in preparing Griffith's Valuation sometimes survived. These manuscript books (perambulation books - as Paul mentioned, house books, field books, etc.) might have gone through several revisions before arriving at the version of data that was printed as Griffith's Valuation. These books often contain dates of the revisions. I have seen some manuscript valuation books (on FHL microfilm) that pre-date Griffith's by 3 years or so and were revised a few times in those years. Availability and date vary with location. Sometimes the only version that survived is very close to (or identical to) what was printed as Griffith's Valuation, which is not as interesting as being able to follow the changes in property over a few years just before Griffith's, which is often during or just after the Famine years - a time of great upheaval in land tenure in Ireland. After Griffith's Valuation, the valuation (taxes on property) continued to be revised, with changes in holdings noted (usually with a year) in a handwritten book. When a book became too cluttered with changes, a new book had to be started. The current information was then copied into a new book, and the process began over again. These books are the so-called "Canceled Books" or valuation revision lists (also available through the Family History Library). Sometimes there is a gap of 10 or more years between Griffith's Valuation and the first surviving revision list for a particular place. In your case, Jan, Griffith's Valuation seems to put a John Gallagher on National School property in the townland of Bottomstown, civil parish of Knockainy, County Limerick, in December 1850. You could perhaps find pre-Griffith's valuation records (manuscript valuation books) and later revision lists and check for him in Knockainy civil parish and other places where you think he might have lived. Many of the surviving books are available through the Family History Library. I have mentioned them before on this list and on the Tipperary and Laois lists. For my analysis above, I used the version of Griffith's Valuation that appears online at the subscription website Irish Origins http://www.origins.net/. I do not know if the free online versions of Griffith's include images of the additional pages I mentioned above (the pages with Roman numeral pagination). Jan, here is something else to consider. I have found that, for one reason or another, children were sometimes baptized in a Catholic parish different from the one in which they were born or different from the one in which their parents usually resided. By comparing civil birth records (1864 and later) with baptismal records, I have discovered that some mothers returned to their "home" parish to give birth where their own family still lived; female relatives of the mother sometimes also appear as informant on civil birth records. This was often for births of the first child or first few children. When a child was born in the mother's parish, it was sometimes baptized there also; but sometimes the child was baptized in the parish where the mother and father actually lived. Sometimes the residence of the child's father is given as out of the country (e.g., "America" or "London") on a civil birth record - another possible reason for a woman to return "home" to give birth or hav! e her child baptized. Or perhaps a child was baptized by a relative who was a priest, with the baptism occurring in the priest's parish for his convenience. It seems reasonable that families whose work caused them to move around (like National School teachers perhaps?) might have had their children baptized in parishes other than where they were living at the time of the child's birth because they had close ties to other parishes. So, learning the place of baptism of a child does not *necessarily* tell you where a family "usually" lived. You are lucky if a parish register lists a townland of residence for the family (not all Catholic parish registers in Co. Limerick do). Do any of the Gallagher baptismal records you found include a townland of residence? Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon, USA very interested in Barrys who lived in Knockainy parish & elsewhere in Limerick On 8/28/2012 7:14 PM, Paul Keroack wrote: > Jan, > > The book "Richard Griffith and his Valuations of Ireland," by James R. Reilly, > Clearfield, 2001, describes in detail how the valuations were created. On p. > 32, the author indicates that the "Perambulation book" created on site, was > signed and dated by the individual valuator before it was sent to Dublin for > printing. One would have to examine the signature date to have a good idea when > the names of the "ratepayers" (tenants) were identified on the property. > > A table in the back of Reilly's book lists the printing dates of each volume, by > Poor Law Union. Knockainy parish is in the Kilmallock Poor Law Union. However, > "Croom, Kilmallock, Newcastle & Rathkeale" was printed on 10 Feb. 1852; "Croom, > Kilmallock & Rathkeale" on 8 Dec. 1851 and "Croom, Limerick & Rathkeale" on 5 > March 1851. (Only the latter has a FHL film # of 844987). So one needs to find > out which of these volumes includes Knockainy! > > It seems a bit complicated. Perhaps some additional method of ascertaining the > info has been developed since Reilly's book ws published. > > Paul > > ________________________________ > From: Jan Fortado <janfortado2007@hotmail.com> > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, August 28, 2012 2:57:38 PM > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Looking for the date of Griffith's in Knockainy parish > > Does anyone know if the dates for Griffith's for the various parishes are online > anywhere? I am following up on a John Gallagher, National School Teacher. In > Griffith's there was a John Gallagherliving on National School property in > Knockainy parish. There was also a John Gallagher who was listedas at NT in both > Glenroe and Ballyorgan, Limerick, from 1855-1858. If any of those years was the > yearthat Griffith's was published for Knockainy parish, then it is likely there > were two John Gallagherswho were National Teachers. Just to make matters more > complicated, there is a John Gallagher having children with an AnnMcNamara in > Knockainy parish in the 1850's, but in between there is a John Gallagher > andNancy McNamara having a child in Glenroe and Ballyorgan RC parish and a John > Gallagher andAnn McNamara having a child in Ballylanders RC parish. Because > Nancy and Ann are interchangeablethis could be the same family. > > > >

Jan, The book "Richard Griffith and his Valuations of Ireland," by James R. Reilly, Clearfield, 2001, describes in detail how the valuations were created.  On p. 32, the author indicates that the "Perambulation book" created on site, was signed and dated by the individual valuator before it was sent to Dublin for printing. One would have to examine the signature date to have a good idea when the names of the "ratepayers" (tenants) were identified on the property.   A table in the back of Reilly's book lists the printing dates of each volume, by Poor Law Union. Knockainy parish is in the Kilmallock Poor Law Union. However, "Croom, Kilmallock, Newcastle & Rathkeale" was printed on 10 Feb. 1852; "Croom, Kilmallock & Rathkeale" on 8 Dec. 1851 and "Croom, Limerick & Rathkeale" on 5 March 1851. (Only the latter has a FHL film # of 844987). So one needs to find out which of these volumes includes Knockainy! It seems a bit complicated. Perhaps some additional method of ascertaining the info has been developed since Reilly's book ws published. Paul ________________________________ From: Jan Fortado <janfortado2007@hotmail.com> To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, August 28, 2012 2:57:38 PM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Looking for the date of Griffith's in Knockainy parish Does anyone know if the dates for Griffith's for the various parishes are online anywhere? I am following up on a John Gallagher, National School Teacher. In Griffith's there was a John Gallagherliving on National School property in Knockainy parish. There was also a John Gallagher who was listedas at NT in both Glenroe and Ballyorgan, Limerick, from 1855-1858. If any of those years was the yearthat Griffith's was published for Knockainy parish, then it is likely there were two John Gallagherswho were National Teachers. Just to make matters more complicated, there is a John Gallagher having children with an AnnMcNamara in Knockainy parish in the 1850's, but in between there is a John  Gallagher andNancy McNamara having a child in Glenroe and Ballyorgan RC parish and a John Gallagher andAnn McNamara having a child in Ballylanders RC parish. Because Nancy and Ann are interchangeablethis could be the same family.                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know if the dates for Griffith's for the various parishes are online anywhere? I am following up on a John Gallagher, National School Teacher. In Griffith's there was a John Gallagherliving on National School property in Knockainy parish. There was also a John Gallagher who was listedas at NT in both Glenroe and Ballyorgan, Limerick, from 1855-1858. If any of those years was the yearthat Griffith's was published for Knockainy parish, then it is likely there were two John Gallagherswho were National Teachers. Just to make matters more complicated, there is a John Gallagher having children with an AnnMcNamara in Knockainy parish in the 1850's, but in between there is a John Gallagher andNancy McNamara having a child in Glenroe and Ballyorgan RC parish and a John Gallagher andAnn McNamara having a child in Ballylanders RC parish. Because Nancy and Ann are interchangeablethis could be the same family.

Hello June, I doubt very much whether you will find much luck with the period you are looking at as there are no records, especially being RC. What records have you looked at that find Morton Kennedy born c1690 Co Limerick & Michael Kennedy christened at St John's Limerick as the records for birth for St John's start 1788. I have done a great deal of research in Limerick & the only way I have been able to go forward is with certain families using Registry of Deeds, Newspapers & Burk's Landed Gentry of Ireland & being lucky to find the odd will. Have a look at Nick Reddens Registry of Deeds site & see if there is anything on that site that may be of interest to you. I would be most interested in how you found your family back so far. Kennedy is one of the most common names in Ireland. Robyn -----Original Message----- From: irl-limerick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-limerick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JUNE METCALFE Sent: Monday, 27 August 2012 11:42 PM To: IRL-LIMERICK@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] KENNEDY, DUGGAN, MURPHY, O'DWYER Hello to the list.  I have Morton KENNEDY born about 1690 in County Limerick.  His son is Michael KENNEDY born/christened at St. Johns, Limerick (film no available)  I believe Michael married Bridget DUGGAN.  I know of 3 sons of this marriage - Thomas KENNEDY b 1761 in Co Tipperary married Mary MURPHY, William KENNEDY b 1777 in Co Tipp and my GGG G/father John KENNEDY b 1779 in Caher, Co Tipp who married Margaret O'DWYER.  John and Margaret had 5 children - Mary b 1806, Ellen b 1807, Timothy b 1808, Patrick b 1809 and John b 1813. Would love confirmation of Morton and Michael's births/christenings and of where in Co Limerick they came from.   JuneM      Researching  Jackson & Kennedy in Yorkshire, Lincolnshire and Ireland "May you have always...A sunbeam to warm you, a moonbeam to charm you, a sheltering angel so nothing can harm you.  Laughter to cheer you, and faithful friends near you" ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you to those who replied to my post re the above people in my tree. I have just returned to researching after a long break, primarily to add sources to names where they are missing.  In the very early days of my research I found Michael Kennedy b 1740 on Ancestry under Ireland births 1620 to 1911.  My 'proof' was the transcript of a baptism record with an attached FHL number.  His father was named as Morton Kennedy.  I can't recall where I found a birth date for Morton, so appealed to the list in the hopes of finding guidance towards this source. From replies that I have received I appear to be way off the mark, in that records for that period are almost non-existant, and then only for the gentry.  My Kennedy clan were humble coal miners.  Thank you to all the people who put me right.  My tree shall now be two generations lighter. From (a rather embarrassed) June in cool and rainy England   JuneM      Researching  Jackson & Kennedy in Yorkshire, Lincolnshire  and Ireland "May you have always...A sunbeam to warm you, a moonbeam to charm you, a sheltering angel so nothing can harm you.  Laughter to cheer you, and faithful friends near you"

I too have O'sullivan/Sullivan from Limerick.My ggrandfather was Michael O'sullivan married a McNamara and had 4 children, 2 boys, 2 girls. Ring any bells???   Bonnie Be kinder than necessary because everyone you know is fighting some kind of battle. ________________________________ From: diane lavazza <lavazzadiane@yahoo.com> To: "irl-limerick@rootsweb.com" <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:43:35 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] O'Sullivan/Sullivan Hi Cathy,   Have you checked the Griffith's Evalution, I think that is what it is called.  My GGrandfather was a Sullivan also.  He was born about 1852 and I believe it was in Limerick.  Do you have any info on your Grandfather;s family?   Diane ________________________________ From: "popsballyagran@aol.com" <popsballyagran@aol.com> To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com; irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:19 AM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] O'Sullivan/Sullivan   I was wondering if anyone had any clue how I could go about locating the street/area where my Grandfather grew up in Ballyagran, Limerick in 1879.  I do know that his family was part of St. Michael's (Coleman's Well).. Any help would be much appreciated! Thank you, Cathy O'Sullivan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello to the list.  I have Morton KENNEDY born about 1690 in County Limerick.  His son is Michael KENNEDY born/christened at St. Johns, Limerick (film no available)  I believe Michael married Bridget DUGGAN.  I know of 3 sons of this marriage - Thomas KENNEDY b 1761 in Co Tipperary married Mary MURPHY, William KENNEDY b 1777 in Co Tipp and my GGG G/father John KENNEDY b 1779 in Caher, Co Tipp who married Margaret O'DWYER.  John and Margaret had 5 children - Mary b 1806, Ellen b 1807, Timothy b 1808, Patrick b 1809 and John b 1813. Would love confirmation of Morton and Michael's births/christenings and of where in Co Limerick they came from.   JuneM      Researching  Jackson & Kennedy in Yorkshire, Lincolnshire and Ireland "May you have always...A sunbeam to warm you, a moonbeam to charm you, a sheltering angel so nothing can harm you.  Laughter to cheer you, and faithful friends near you"

D ESTERRE, Norcott Henry of Limerick Esq & Matilda YEATES of Timolin - Spinster - 10 Oct 1789 Source: Dublin Diocesan marriage licences : 1638-1800 Denis O'Callaghan Fisher FHL# 100226