George Thanks for the tips in researching of Ireland. The time period I searching would be late 1830s-1854. I am researching my great-grandmother, Mary Catherine McCoy, b. December 25, 1842 (don't know exact year). Have no information on her parents or siblings. She stated in newspaper article in 1943 that "she was born near Robertstown, Ireland along the banks of the Shannon River". It was possibly 1853 when she immigrated to USA at age of 11. Would I have better luck writing to parish priest or addressing letter to the church clerk? If a family immigrated from this area, where possibly would they board a ship, do you think? I am hoping you might have mention of some McCoy as a starting point. Thanks again. Melody USA

Judie This appears to be Cash's Lane,Thomondgate,which is in St Munchin's Catholic parish. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Mason" <judith.mason@ameritech.net> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:26 AM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Limerick Street Location > In the 1850 Griffith's Valuation for Limerick City, I have Richard Dolan > living on Cashel's Lane in the civil parish of Killeely. Would someone be > kind enough to tell me what ecclesiastical parish Richard would be in? > Could it possibly be Parteen/Meelick where he was married in 1834? > > Thanks for any help. > > Judie Mason > Chicago > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

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Do you know Catherine's maiden name or is she William's sister? I know this is a "dumb" question but sometimes it jogs the search. I don't know how old my Catherine was in 1864. She was the aunt of James O'Brien (making her born an O'brien I assume) and was his sponsor at his baptism on January 24, 1871. James was baptized in Kilflyn. I know that the church records at Kilflyn only date back to 1853, as no records were allowed to be kept by the Catholics before 1856 so the priest kept some records before it was legally allowed. My other O'Brien records come from a family in Garryarthur who had copies of the rent and tithe records dating back to 1779 showing the O'Briens paying their rent on the leaseholds they held. Let me know if you need more info from me as I have quite a history. Judy Christopher (O'Brien/Fox) ----- Original Message ----- From: <mike@obrienclan.com> To: "Judy Christopher" <ajuntasc@comcast.net>; <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records > Both of mine were Catholic as all of their family is buried at Holy Cross > in Colma, CA (outside of San Francisco). They were originally buried at > Calvary Cemetery in San Francisco but the cemetery was closed and all > relocated to Holy Cross. > I was hoping that a death notice might show up somewhere in Co Limerick > for William (d. Dec 1864) and Catherine (d. 5 Jan 1897). With no parish > name or parents names or knowledge of any siblings who either stayed in > Ireland or emigrated, I am stuck here hoping someone is searching for a > link to these two. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judy Christopher" <ajuntasc@comcast.net> > To: <mike@obrienclan.com>; <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records > > >> You never know what can happen with connections. Some of the O'Briens in >> County took the Queen's Oath and went to the Church of Ireland. Others >> did not. The O'Briens who lived in Garryarthur Kilflyn were of both >> persuasions. There is a tiny church in Kilflyn that is C of I. It is a >> beautiful little stone church surrounded by a wrought iron fence with a >> small cemetery behind. I wanted to go in when I was there but the gates >> were locked. I wanted to share this too. Judy Christopher (O'Brien/Fox) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <mike@obrienclan.com> >> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 3:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >> >> >>> Hi Judy, >>> >>> Thought I would through this in: My Catherine (C) O'Brien was born >>> 1829, Co >>> Limerick. Emigrated in 1849 to New York and on to San Francisco where >>> she >>> married William O'Brien, born 1824, Co Limerick. They had six children >>> born >>> in San Francisco. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Judy Christopher" <ajuntasc@comcast.net> >>> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 5:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >>> >>> >>>> My O'briens came from Glenroe Ballyorgan Garryarthur Kilflyn which is >>>> about >>>> 26miles southeast of Limerick City. >>>> I do have a Catherine but I believe she was born in the 1830s. I have >>>> been >>>> trying to find her information and her siblings Information. Catherine >>>> was >>>> the sister of Michael, Daniel, John, and Ann. I have only that she was >>>> the >>>> sponsor of my Granduncle William in 1869 at Kilfyn. Judy >>>> Christopher----- >>>> Original Message ----- >>>> From: "John Walton" <vabre1@optusnet.com.au> >>>> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 4:08 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Judy, >>>>> I noticed your interest in the O'Brien's from Limerick. I have a >>>>> Catherine >>>>> O'Brien born abt. 1805 who married John O'Halloran. Two of their >>>>> children >>>>> were baptised at St. Michael's and St. John's.Do you think there could >>>>> be >>>>> a >>>>> connection to your O'Briens.. >>>>> >>>>> Pam...Sydney >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Judy Christopher" <ajuntasc@comcast.net> >>>>> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:37 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>i was so very lucky. I was able to get a book full of family heritage >>>>>>from >>>>>> the old Limerick Archives at the Granary before the closed. I wish >>>>>> all >>>>>> could have had the chance to do so. If you know the Civil Parish >>>>>> your >>>>>> family came from you can write to the church and perhaps the priest >>>>>> there >>>>>> will be glad to send any records for a donation to the parish church. >>>>>> Judy >>>>>> Christopher (O'Brien/Fox County Limerick) >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Punch, Candace" <Candace.Punch@warnerbros.com> >>>>>> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 3:26 PM >>>>>> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Bishop of Limerick has put a hold on all church films in his >>>>>>> control area. He objects to the LDS Practice of doing baptisms and >>>>>>> confirmations for their dead ancestors to seal them in an eternal >>>>>>> chain >>>>>>> together. They have gotten a lot of flack for their beliefs. I >>>>>>> find >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> no different than the Jehovah witnesses and how many people they >>>>>>> actually will be saved, the Catholic belief in Limbo, or the >>>>>>> Shakers, >>>>>>> who believe in strict celibacy and no giving in marriage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is simply a religious belief, If it is not your belief it means >>>>>>> nothing to you , right? I feel bad that the Bishop cut millions off >>>>>>> from records that would unite families and give honor to Ireland as >>>>>>> an >>>>>>> ancestral home of billions of people. I have been trying to piece >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> husband's family together for 22 years. Those are the records I >>>>>>> need. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> know his father, Grandfather and the name of his Great Grandfather. >>>>>>> They >>>>>>> were catholic, so you all know how many records were compiled on >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> side of the religious line and why. I guess I will have to wait till >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Bishop dies and hope for a Bishop more concerned with families >>>>>>> gathering >>>>>>> and making Ireland the point of their beginnings, then finding >>>>>>> threat >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> some church ceremony which they don't even believe in. Till then we >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> at his mercy, or have to spend a lot of money to hire a professional >>>>>>> there to do the work. The LDS Library had been my life line and >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> are in the process of putting histories, books, genealogies and >>>>>>> amazing >>>>>>> items in the huge vaults in Cottonwood Canyon that have not had the >>>>>>> ability to do before now. Copies of some of the books that will be >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> line were burnt when Hitler burnt the books. The librarians have >>>>>>> always >>>>>>> been very helpful and never, ever preachy. Let them believe as they >>>>>>> do. >>>>>>> Because of those beliefs, they will be freely sharing with us, on >>>>>>> line, >>>>>>> in the next years, incredible amounts of new information from around >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> world. That to me is a win, win situation.!. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Candace Punch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>>> without >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> > >

George, you have been a great help. Thank you! Judie Mason george kelly <geokel@eircom.net> wrote: The name "Prior's land" dates back to medieval times,

I personally make a JunkName. Ged of the incoming records. Then I can verify sources and correct any misinformation before merging the file with mine. Carla Bernard Humphrey <bhumphre@nycap.rr.com> wrote: As a retired librarian, I feel compelled to put in my 2 cents. When you talk about Mormon records, you are talking about TWO different sources!!!! They have made it their business to photocopy church and civil records all over the world. They are photographs of the originals. They are the real deal! Anyone who claims to be into genealogy who has NOT looked into using them for so-called religious reasons is missing some amazing sources. I did genealogy for 20 years in pre- Internet years before latching onto their wonderful resources! Last year I got Italian civil records from my grandparents' home towns. This year it was church records from Canada. Only this week I found a marriage in 1835 they I had always assumed took place in Ireland! All the church and civil records I have borrowed from them have turned out to be gold mines for me. They have never spoken to me about their religion, have never handed me religious literature, and certainly have never tried to convert me in any way. Now for the OTHER sources. Mormons are required to research their family backgrounds. Many of them do so with little or no enthusiasm. I suspect they gladly make inaccurate assumptions, submit them, and feel their obligations are fulfilled. I personally would never copy anybody's submitted records into my own! You MUST know your source for every fact. When you find a family tree submitted on line, YOU DON'T KNOW THEIR SOURCES. The Mormons are no more guilty than any of the people of ancestry.com for submitting errors in family trees! The rule of thumb should be--if you don't know the proof behind a statement, don't accept it as fact! Contact the submitter and find out what documentation they obtained first! Virginia Humphrey ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cris: I use my local LDS weekly. All my records are in a state that I moved away from. They have microfiche that has COPIES of recorded births, deaths, marriages in Cook County where I am from. If I find something that I believe belongs to my family, then I write to the County for a copy of the document. I've checked census records, voting records, and yes church records. They are all COPIES of the actual records. So far (in USA) I've not had to write to the church directly as I found what I was looking for on the COPIES of church records that LDS has in their library. Any mistakes I found (name spelling) were in the copied records...can't blame the LDS for that. LDS is very worthwhile tool in finding out information about our families. They have told me that they physically went to all the churches, court houses, etc. and just took pictures of their records. The same is true of census records. I find them to be delightful people who are very helpful. They never talk about their religion or ask me about mine. Use this info as you wish, I'm just putting in my 2 cents! Good luck in your searches. Sally/Arkansas --- crazyangel25@webtv.net wrote: ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Judy, To the best of my knowledge, Catherine's maiden name was O'Brien. I have three out of four death certificates of her children stating mother's maiden name as O'Brien. Not uncommon for O'Briens marrying O'Briens. I have many of the O'Brien history books and have found 16 accounts where 2nd and 3rd cousins married over the last 600 to 800 years. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Christopher" <ajuntasc@comcast.net> To: <mike@obrienclan.com>; <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 7:13 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records > Do you know Catherine's maiden name or is she William's sister? I know > this is a "dumb" question but sometimes it jogs the search. I don't know > how old my Catherine was in 1864. She was the aunt of James O'Brien > (making her born an O'brien I assume) and was his sponsor at his baptism > on January 24, 1871. James was baptized in Kilflyn. I know that the > church records at Kilflyn only date back to 1853, as no records were > allowed to be kept by the Catholics before 1856 so the priest kept some > records before it was legally allowed. My other O'Brien records come from > a family in Garryarthur who had copies of the rent and tithe records > dating back to 1779 showing the O'Briens paying their rent on the > leaseholds they held. > Let me know if you need more info from me as I have quite a history. Judy > Christopher (O'Brien/Fox) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <mike@obrienclan.com> > To: "Judy Christopher" <ajuntasc@comcast.net>; <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:57 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records > > >> Both of mine were Catholic as all of their family is buried at Holy Cross >> in Colma, CA (outside of San Francisco). They were originally buried at >> Calvary Cemetery in San Francisco but the cemetery was closed and all >> relocated to Holy Cross. >> I was hoping that a death notice might show up somewhere in Co Limerick >> for William (d. Dec 1864) and Catherine (d. 5 Jan 1897). With no parish >> name or parents names or knowledge of any siblings who either stayed in >> Ireland or emigrated, I am stuck here hoping someone is searching for a >> link to these two. >> >> Mike >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Judy Christopher" <ajuntasc@comcast.net> >> To: <mike@obrienclan.com>; <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 2:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >> >> >>> You never know what can happen with connections. Some of the O'Briens >>> in County took the Queen's Oath and went to the Church of Ireland. >>> Others did not. The O'Briens who lived in Garryarthur Kilflyn were of >>> both persuasions. There is a tiny church in Kilflyn that is C of I. It >>> is a beautiful little stone church surrounded by a wrought iron fence >>> with a small cemetery behind. I wanted to go in when I was there but >>> the gates were locked. I wanted to share this too. Judy Christopher >>> (O'Brien/Fox) >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <mike@obrienclan.com> >>> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 3:02 PM >>> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >>> >>> >>>> Hi Judy, >>>> >>>> Thought I would through this in: My Catherine (C) O'Brien was born >>>> 1829, Co >>>> Limerick. Emigrated in 1849 to New York and on to San Francisco where >>>> she >>>> married William O'Brien, born 1824, Co Limerick. They had six children >>>> born >>>> in San Francisco. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Judy Christopher" <ajuntasc@comcast.net> >>>> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 5:09 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >>>> >>>> >>>>> My O'briens came from Glenroe Ballyorgan Garryarthur Kilflyn which is >>>>> about >>>>> 26miles southeast of Limerick City. >>>>> I do have a Catherine but I believe she was born in the 1830s. I have >>>>> been >>>>> trying to find her information and her siblings Information. >>>>> Catherine >>>>> was >>>>> the sister of Michael, Daniel, John, and Ann. I have only that she >>>>> was >>>>> the >>>>> sponsor of my Granduncle William in 1869 at Kilfyn. Judy >>>>> Christopher----- >>>>> Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "John Walton" <vabre1@optusnet.com.au> >>>>> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 4:08 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Judy, >>>>>> I noticed your interest in the O'Brien's from Limerick. I have a >>>>>> Catherine >>>>>> O'Brien born abt. 1805 who married John O'Halloran. Two of their >>>>>> children >>>>>> were baptised at St. Michael's and St. John's.Do you think there >>>>>> could be >>>>>> a >>>>>> connection to your O'Briens.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pam...Sydney >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Judy Christopher" <ajuntasc@comcast.net> >>>>>> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:37 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>i was so very lucky. I was able to get a book full of family >>>>>>>heritage >>>>>>>from >>>>>>> the old Limerick Archives at the Granary before the closed. I wish >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> could have had the chance to do so. If you know the Civil Parish >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> family came from you can write to the church and perhaps the priest >>>>>>> there >>>>>>> will be glad to send any records for a donation to the parish >>>>>>> church. >>>>>>> Judy >>>>>>> Christopher (O'Brien/Fox County Limerick) >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Punch, Candace" <Candace.Punch@warnerbros.com> >>>>>>> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 3:26 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Bishop of Limerick has put a hold on all church films in >>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>> control area. He objects to the LDS Practice of doing baptisms and >>>>>>>> confirmations for their dead ancestors to seal them in an eternal >>>>>>>> chain >>>>>>>> together. They have gotten a lot of flack for their beliefs. I >>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> no different than the Jehovah witnesses and how many people they >>>>>>>> actually will be saved, the Catholic belief in Limbo, or the >>>>>>>> Shakers, >>>>>>>> who believe in strict celibacy and no giving in marriage. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is simply a religious belief, If it is not your belief it means >>>>>>>> nothing to you , right? I feel bad that the Bishop cut millions >>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>> from records that would unite families and give honor to Ireland as >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>> ancestral home of billions of people. I have been trying to piece >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> husband's family together for 22 years. Those are the records I >>>>>>>> need. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> know his father, Grandfather and the name of his Great Grandfather. >>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>> were catholic, so you all know how many records were compiled on >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> side of the religious line and why. I guess I will have to wait >>>>>>>> till >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Bishop dies and hope for a Bishop more concerned with families >>>>>>>> gathering >>>>>>>> and making Ireland the point of their beginnings, then finding >>>>>>>> threat >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> some church ceremony which they don't even believe in. Till then >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> at his mercy, or have to spend a lot of money to hire a >>>>>>>> professional >>>>>>>> there to do the work. The LDS Library had been my life line and >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> are in the process of putting histories, books, genealogies and >>>>>>>> amazing >>>>>>>> items in the huge vaults in Cottonwood Canyon that have not had the >>>>>>>> ability to do before now. Copies of some of the books that will be >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> line were burnt when Hitler burnt the books. The librarians have >>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>> been very helpful and never, ever preachy. Let them believe as >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> do. >>>>>>>> Because of those beliefs, they will be freely sharing with us, on >>>>>>>> line, >>>>>>>> in the next years, incredible amounts of new information from >>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> world. That to me is a win, win situation.!. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Candace Punch. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>>> without >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Cris wrote.... Hi John > Thank you for your reply.May I ask how you know CARRIG is definitely a > Clare name ? Ive been looking for them for a while now and cant find > them, but I will concentrate on Clare now,. Have you happened to come > across the name before? Unfortunately I dont know who Im looking for > LOL. Im trying to find James CARRIG who married Ellen LANGAN in > Hi Cris, I think I have found them both together, that is Maurice Langan and Denus and Jerimiah Cregan. County Limerick. PLU of Glin Barony of Shanid Civil Parish of Kilmoylan Townland of Glenbaun Maurice Langan was the occupier whilst Denis and Jerimiah Cregan's were the Lessor's. The rent payable for the house and office was 12 shillings. Next door Denis and Jerimiah occupied a house, office and yard and were also the lessor of that property. Hope this helps. John...Sydney > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Great info, I agree with you. Eileen in Conn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Humphrey" <bhumphre@nycap.rr.com> To: <IRL-LIMERICK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 11:35 PM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Sources & Mormons > As a retired librarian, I feel compelled to put in my 2 cents. > When you talk about Mormon > records, you are talking about TWO different sources!!!! They have made it their business to photocopy church and civil records all over the world. They > are photographs of the originals. > They are the real deal! Anyone > who claims to be into genealogy > who has NOT looked into using > them for so-called religious reasons is missing some amazing sources. I did genealogy for 20 years in pre- > Internet years before latching > onto their wonderful resources! > Last year I got Italian civil records > from my grandparents' home towns. This year it was church > records from Canada. Only this > week I found a marriage in 1835 > they I had always assumed took > place in Ireland! All the church and civil records I have borrowed from them have turned out to be gold mines for me. They have never spoken to me about their religion, have never handed me religious literature, and certainly have never tried to convert me in any way. > Now for the OTHER sources. > Mormons are required to research > their family backgrounds. Many > of them do so with little or no > enthusiasm. I suspect they gladly make inaccurate assumptions, submit them, and > feel their obligations are fulfilled. > I personally would never copy > anybody's submitted records into > my own! You MUST know your > source for every fact. When you > find a family tree submitted on line, YOU DON'T KNOW THEIR > SOURCES. The Mormons are > no more guilty than any of the > people of ancestry.com for submitting errors in family trees! > The rule of thumb should be--if > you don't know the proof behind > a statement, don't accept it as > fact! Contact the submitter and > find out what documentation they > obtained first! > Virginia Humphrey > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As a retired librarian, I feel compelled to put in my 2 cents. When you talk about Mormon records, you are talking about TWO different sources!!!! They have made it their business to photocopy church and civil records all over the world. They are photographs of the originals. They are the real deal! Anyone who claims to be into genealogy who has NOT looked into using them for so-called religious reasons is missing some amazing sources. I did genealogy for 20 years in pre- Internet years before latching onto their wonderful resources! Last year I got Italian civil records from my grandparents' home towns. This year it was church records from Canada. Only this week I found a marriage in 1835 they I had always assumed took place in Ireland! All the church and civil records I have borrowed from them have turned out to be gold mines for me. They have never spoken to me about their religion, have never handed me religious literature, and certainly have never tried to convert me in any way. Now for the OTHER sources. Mormons are required to research their family backgrounds. Many of them do so with little or no enthusiasm. I suspect they gladly make inaccurate assumptions, submit them, and feel their obligations are fulfilled. I personally would never copy anybody's submitted records into my own! You MUST know your source for every fact. When you find a family tree submitted on line, YOU DON'T KNOW THEIR SOURCES. The Mormons are no more guilty than any of the people of ancestry.com for submitting errors in family trees! The rule of thumb should be--if you don't know the proof behind a statement, don't accept it as fact! Contact the submitter and find out what documentation they obtained first! Virginia Humphrey

Yes I would like to find out how they got their information too, but so far what we have found from them has been accurate. Eileen in CT

I agree. Let me just say that LDS followers have always done genealogy believing that it is a way to salvation for their own families. Their information on other families is frequently inaccurate. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Megan McKenzie" <meganme@icisp.net.au> To: <IRL-LIMERICK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Call a halt > Do you think we could call a halt to the discussions re the LDS and their > records? Whatever your thoughts I think we have heard enough. > Let's just help each other with genealogy. > > Megan. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am sorry if I mislead anyone about a book from the Limerick Archives. What I meant was that I received much information regarding my two Limerick Families, O'Brien and Fox. I paid for the information that was sent and then went to Ireland and to County Limerick were I met cousins that I did not know still lived in Ireland. My two familes came from within 5 miles of one another. Again, I apologize for misleading anyone. Judy Christopher (O'Brien/Fox) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annette & Virginia Garner" <tdgarner@comcast.net> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:47 PM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] O'Brien > Judy, > You mentioned being able to get a book full of family genealogy from > the old Limerick Archives for the O'Briens. I am wondering if you might > have any information about ancestors in the Herbertstown area? One of > our Nealon ancestors, John Neyland married a Mary O'Brien in December > 1814; we believe John was likely living in a small village outside of > Herbertstown called Ballinscoola. We also have another ancestor James > Neylan who married Hanora Purcell in February 1818 and likely also lived > in Ballinscoola; one of the witnesses was an Eliza O'Brien. We are most > interested in information about the Nealon/Neyland/Neylan family. Any > information you might have about these would be appreciated. > > -- > Annette & Virginia Garner > > Researching: Dubuc/Dubuque, Fitzpatrick, Garner, Kemp, Kirby, > Marie, Nealon, Rose, Roy/LeRoy, Toner, Weston, Zisler > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~tdgarner > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I agree - enough is enough. You would have been told that long ago if Padraigh was still with us. We have learned from LDS, the ship that brought our grandmother and her family from Limerick to NY and then CT. Not concerned with their religion. Most of the other info we got was from the priests in Limerick, along with cash money. Eileen in Conn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Megan McKenzie" <meganme@icisp.net.au> To: <IRL-LIMERICK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Call a halt > Do you think we could call a halt to the discussions re the LDS and their records? Whatever your thoughts I think we have heard enough. Let's just help each other with genealogy. > > Megan. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Virginia and Judie Thank you both for your replies. Thats all I was asking for, was if anyone knew, but it got blown completely out of proportion...also for the "record" I would like to say, I didn't say anything about the mormons or not using their records because of their religion. I said the records for "my" family are inaccurate. I too have tried to find ancestors and as an example other than my great grandmother, they have an aunt married n Illinois in 1857, when actually they were married in Canada in 1856 I think it was, don't have it at hand right now.So my feelings about their records has nothing to do with their religion, even though now that it has been brought up that way, I don't like it and I don't agree with it and thats my opinion which Iam entitled to.I'm Catholic you think I don't hear negative stuff all the time about the Catholic church. big deal, I believe what I believe and others opinions of my religion or church do not affect me in one way or another. So now, if anyone wants to blast me off list again, give it a rest I am just deleting them..this was never meant to be a "religious" discussion, I asked a question that a lot of people felt compelled to jump on me about...a question folks....isn't that what we are doing here? Thanks again Virginia and Judie, I enjoy and appreciate intelligent responses. Cris

Cris, Carrig is definitely a Clare name. John...Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: <crazyangel25@webtv.net> To: <IRL-LIMERICK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Ireland Old news > Hi List > I was just browsing some websites tonight and came across something from > Ireland Old News that I dont understand and Im hoping someone can help > me > For November 25 1852 there is an article thats says the eviction of 25 > families off the "lands of Langan" and Moyne. Who, what and / or the > lands of Langan? is that a place or a person.One of my surnames is > LANGAN. > I also find a lot of places with the word "carrig" in them but cant find > the surame CARRIG, which may ahve been from Clare but thats not certin. > Thank you, > Cris > <snip> > "EVICTIONS--V. BROWNE, relieving officer, has had notice served upon him > of the eviction of twenty-five families, off the lands of Langan and > Moyne, in the electoral division of Moyne, and now in Chancery in re > GREVILLE v. BROWN. The unfortunate creatures were turned out of their > homes on Monday and Tuesday last.--Tuam Herald." > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Judy, You mentioned being able to get a book full of family genealogy from the old Limerick Archives for the O'Briens. I am wondering if you might have any information about ancestors in the Herbertstown area? One of our Nealon ancestors, John Neyland married a Mary O'Brien in December 1814; we believe John was likely living in a small village outside of Herbertstown called Ballinscoola. We also have another ancestor James Neylan who married Hanora Purcell in February 1818 and likely also lived in Ballinscoola; one of the witnesses was an Eliza O'Brien. We are most interested in information about the Nealon/Neyland/Neylan family. Any information you might have about these would be appreciated. -- Annette & Virginia Garner Researching: Dubuc/Dubuque, Fitzpatrick, Garner, Kemp, Kirby, Marie, Nealon, Rose, Roy/LeRoy, Toner, Weston, Zisler http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~tdgarner

In the 1850 Griffith's Valuation for Limerick City, I have Richard Dolan living on Cashel's Lane in the civil parish of Killeely. Would someone be kind enough to tell me what ecclesiastical parish Richard would be in? Could it possibly be Parteen/Meelick where he was married in 1834? Thanks for any help. Judie Mason Chicago

Yes, you have to go through the Tipperary Family History Research group and they, as you say, will undertake a search for you for a fee. Their web address is as follows: http://www.tfhr.org/ Kerry is another diocese which does not allow free access to the microfilms. However, I do believe it is possible to obtain a letter of authorisation in order to do so. This must be presented at the National Library when seeking access. The National Library also holds the microfilm of the Diocese of Cashel and Emly but cannot release them for viewing without a letter of authorisation from the bishop, which I believe is not likely to be forthcoming. I don't know about the availability of these films in the LDS FHS. It might be worth a try. J. J. On 22/02/2008, Steve Franklin <macdummy@montanasky.net> wrote: > > Hoping someone who knows for sure can help me out. I am under the > impression that the Arch Diocese of Cashel and Emly is the only Arch > Diocese in Ireland which will not authorize the release of micro-filmed > records to the general public. I believe, however, that the Tipperary > Heritage center has the authority to have access to those records, > however they charge fees for doing searches. > > I was under the impression that these records have indeed been > micro-filmed and are in the possession of the National Library (or > whatever they call it) in Dublin. > > I hope someone can clarify this for me and others. > > Also, I do know, that, individual parish priests will do some searching, > however, I don't think they can supply certified copies of records > retained at their church. In my case, I received names and dates, but > no copies. That was fine with me, because, now I know where the records > are. > > Steve > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1293 - Release Date: 2/22/08 > 9:21 AM > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >