Margaret , In the Griffith's Valuation there was only one John Nestor in Limerick and he was in the Civil Parish of Kilcornan, T/L Shanbally. I could not find any Walsh's in that Parish. However in the adjoining Parish of Askeaton there were the following Walsh's.. John, Muscle Lane, Askeaton. Richard, Muscle Lane, Askeaton. Mary, Main Street, Askeaton. Michael, Aghalacka (Askeaton) John...Sydney. Margaret Garthwaite wrote>>>>>>> > Has anyone come across any other Nestors in Askeaton? > > My Nestors supposedly originate from Ennis, and the records are not > on-line > yet. > > However, the only one I have any concrete information on is Mary Ann, who > was baptised in Askeaton on December 25th, her parents being John Nestor > and > Bridget Walsh > > I would so like to track this family a bit further back, but I despair > sometimes. Mostly! > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Jan, for your response. I don't know if these would be connected or not. sigh I will keep in my files. Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Fortado" <janfortado@comcast.net> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:10 PM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Hogan married Gallagher (Attn. Carol Lubbers) > I have two Gallaghers who married a Hogan (brothers marrying sisters). > > In 1868 Thomas Gallagher married Mary Hogan of Spittle. They were married in > the RC church of Glenroe, which was most likely HER parish. > > In 1869 Ellen Gallagher of Kilcruaig married Michael Hogan of Spittle in the > RC parish of Ballyorgan (her parish). > > Jan > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 2953 (20080317) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

The subject of copyright on the information we are discussing is an interesting topic in and of itself: The civil records cannot be copyrighted as they are a matter of public record. I doubt the church records can be copyrighted either. I would assume if they had been, you all would be able to obtain a copy of the registered copyright filed with the appropriate governmental agency in the Republic of Ireland. Since the majority of the records we are talking were recorded in church registers when the Republic was actually part of the British empire, the records may actually belong to England. Or, they may belong to the Vatican in the case of the RC records. Whose records are they - a very good question indeed. Info on copyright laws in the US can be found at: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#wnp However, this is their business and a major improvement over the search fees the heritage centers were charging. Work with them, not against them! Deborah -----Original Message----- From: littlehouseantiques@att.net To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 4:21 pm Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: Question regarding your posted Copyright Notice Dear List, It occurred to me that since it the IFHF's posted Copyright Notice says, "You may not otherwise copy, modify, or distribute the contents of these pages, or publish, broadcast, transmit, or otherwise distribute any portion of this site without the express written authorization of the Irish Family History Foundation" that technically speaking this means that IF you pay for records for them AND you include the information in a personal family tree and quote them as your source AND you happen to publish this information as part of a personal family tree in a personal family web site ONLINE that you will, in fact, be violating their copyright. This seems a little ridiculous to me, so just out of curiosity I've written to them to ask what their stance on this issue is. Copy of my email appended below. Anybody care to place a wager on whether or not I'll receive a response? Kathy Rhodes -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: littlehouseantiques@att.net To: info@ifhf.ie Subject: Question regarding your posted Copyright Notice Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:09:23 +0000 Irish Family History Foundation Karel Kiely, Secretary e-mail: info@ifhf.ie Irish Family History Foundation, c/o Riverbank, Main St., Newbridge, Co. Kildare Ireland Dear Ms. Kiely, I have a question regarding your posted copyright notice. If I pay for and receive marriage, birth, or death information from your site; may I reference the information obtained in a personal family tree that I have compiled and which I publish online at a personal family web site? Will I be violating your copyright if I do this? Thank you for your time and consideration. Sincerely, Kathy L. Rhodes 1760 Valley Green Road ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Any one wishing to carry on this discussion about records - contact me off list. The topic on the list is now closed. Christina filidh@carolina.rr.com

Finally caught a break with one of the SHANAHANs I am chasing and obtained the name of Ellen SHANAHAN's father's name and occupation (from her 1866 marriage record) Jeffrey SHANAHAN, carpenter So went immediately to the IFHF site and plugged Jeffrey SHANAHAN in (Ellen SHANAHAN was married in Thurles, Tipperary so started there) but when I came up with no births deaths or marriages in Co Tipp. Then went and did searches across ALL counties for ALL years and still came up with NADA. Not a single person by that name. WHAT ARE THE ODDS? Tried all the many variants of the given name as well-- Still NADA. SHANAHAN isn't the most prolific name in Ireland and while I know the combination of the surname SHANAHAN with a Norman French given name isn't quite so common, how on earth is it even mathematically possible that there are NO Jeffrey SHANAHANs for any time period in their entire database w/ millions of records? Also checked Griffiths Valuation - and not a single one there either? Any suggestions folks? If a fella's name was Jeffrey / Geoffrey what might his nickname in Irish have been? Anyone got any Jeffrey SHANAHANs who were transported/emmigrated to OZ? (Ellen SHANAHAN was known to have BROPHY cousins who immigrated to OZ, perhaps her father went too?) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The marriage record particulars: Ellen SHANAHAN (spinster, no occ given, living at Victualler's Lane Thurles) Father: Jeffrey SHANAHAN occupation carpenter married on 28 Jan 1866 Roman Catholic Chapel in Thurles, Co Tipperary to Timothy LUBY (bachelor, occupation Carpenter living at Pudding Lane Thurles) Father: Timothy Luby, occupation Surgeon Priest: John Ryan Witnesses: Bridget Murphy and William Ryan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kathy Rhodes Disgustedly, Doggedly still researching SHANAHAN and LUBY surnames in Co Limerick, Co Cork and Co Tipperary

I have two Gallaghers who married a Hogan (brothers marrying sisters). In 1868 Thomas Gallagher married Mary Hogan of Spittle. They were married in the RC church of Glenroe, which was most likely HER parish. In 1869 Ellen Gallagher of Kilcruaig married Michael Hogan of Spittle in the RC parish of Ballyorgan (her parish). Jan

I think the correct address should be: www.familysearch.org On 17/03/2008, mike@obrienclan.com <mike@obrienclan.com> wrote: > > Sorry, but your Familysears.org doesn't work - not valid. > > --- Original Message ----- > From: "Carla Johnson" <csj0767@sbcglobal.net> > To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:40 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Irish Family History Foundation and J.J. Woods > > > > Hi Maureen, > > > > I don't know if this will help but have you tried doing a parent > search > > on Familysears.org? Once I found my husbands grandfather and who his > > parents were then I did a parent search and came up with his siblings. > > This would have been difficult otherwise as they were German and from > > Denmark. They can go up upwards of ten different names and them all be > > their right name. > > > > Carla > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Roger-Maureen Maloney <moemaloney@verizon.net> > > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 8:23:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Irish Family History Foundation and J.J. > Woods > > > > Hi Jan....glad to know you also wrote to Ms. Mitchell. I told her > > basically the > > same thing that you did regarding their fees. I have been searching for > > my > > grandmother from Cavan for years without success. I do know that the > > Heritage > > Center in Cavan has most of her siblings, so I can't figure why not > > her. I am beginning > > to think that she had a different first name than we knew her by. I > > told Ms. Mitchell > > if they could devise a way to searh for children of a certain set of > > parents, that would > > be a great help for most of us. > > > > Let's all hope that in time these databases will be available free to > > search and then we can > > either pay a membership fee or the cost of the document. I have no > > problem with that, but > > this idea of paying for each search is nonsense, especially with the > > present cost of our devalued > > dollar. > > > > Hope you and the family are doing well. It has been a bit since we > > corresponded!! > > > > Maureen > > > > > > > > At 03:30 PM 3/15/2008, you wrote: > >>Thank you to "J.J.Woods" for sharing the informaton about Olivia > Mitchell. > >>I > >>have used the email address he so graciously shared to thank Olivia for > >>her > >>integrity and ethics. I did say I would be willing to pay a fair annual > >>membership to help defray the cost of keeping the web site running. It > >>would > >>have to be fair, though. We could then access whatever records we were > >>interested in. > >> > >>It is my understanding that transcribing the records was part of a > >>training/make work program. The workers had no expertise in reading > >>records > >>or in genealogy. I have used the Mallow Heritage Center several times > over > >>the past few years and have then checked some records when I was in > >>Ireland > >>at the National Library. I have found MANY errors in transcription. > >>Sometimes the errors are inconsequential but other times they are not. > As > >>one example, I was given the name Roderick Roche as the oldest son. So > >>that > >>meant I had to look for a paternal grandfather with that name. I knew > that > >>name did not run in my family so I ended my search. Last year, when I > was > >>in > >>Ireland, I checked this record myself on the films at the National > >>Library. > >>The first name was not Roderick, but Garrett. WOW! That was exactly the > >>name > >>I had been looking for. > >> > >>Jan > >> > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kathy nice to have a new angle of attack for my stone wall! Thanks. Two of the family emigrated to Oz. I have a lot of info about them, but I've never managed to contact descendants. Catherine Mary NESTOR arrived in Sydney on Sept 6 1853, on the "Talavera" from Ennis, Co Clare. In 1860 she married John Malcolm FERGUSON in Goulborn, and died in 1918 in Ashfield. I have a partial address for her: King St, Ashfield. They had 13 children. Mary Ann NESTOR arrived in Sydney on April 30 1864, aged 15, on the "Queen of the East" from Ennis, Co Clare. In 1868 she married George Hillis (or Hiles) JUBB in Goulborn. Mary Ann died in Burwood in 1919 This is the one with the Askeaton baptism. In fact, it's only because I have the info from her death certificate that I know the parents of this family. Their brother Thomas was my great-grandfather. My real brick wall tho' is the two sisters who emigrated to the US and were never heard from again after the San Francisco earthquake. So my father said. But since I don't have names, ages, dates or any other info about them, the chances of ever finding them are pretty slim! Pity really, because my daughter has never forgiven me for not providing her with American relatives! ----- Original Message ----- From: <littlehouseantiques@att.net> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] SHARE IFHC records SHANAHAN NESTOR KENNELLYO'GRADYSLATTERY MURPHY ENRIGHT SCANLAN HOUNIHAN RYAN > Margaret, I intend to dig into recs for the SHANAHAN / NESTOR connection > despite the fact that I'm relatively sure they are not my line (but you > never know, and I hate to leave a stone unturned) so it would be helpful > to know (whilst I am looking) if your NESTOR / WALSH family from Askeaton > immigrated anywhere...OZ or US? There is some slight possibility of > connections between the WALSH family and one branch of my SHANAHANs who > immigrated to the NY / NJ metro area...so let me know WHERE your folks > ended up and I'll take a 'look see'. > > Kathy > Researching SHANAHAN and LUBY surnames > Co Limerick, Co Cork & Co Tipperary

I went to the IFHF website to see what their policy is on sharing the records from their website. The following is in their copyright section. Please refrain from posting any research results on the list. Thanks. Christina List Admin Irl-Limerick You may not otherwise copy, modify, or distribute the contents of these pages, or publish, broadcast, transmit, or otherwise distribute any portion of this site without the express written authorization of the Irish Family History Foundation. Any unauthorized use of this site or any content therein is strictly prohibited.

Sean, thank you for that information. When I was at the genealogy conference in Boston two years ago, I spoke with one of the founders of the IFHF. I asked why there was no heritage center in West Cork. He talked about records being indexed and "ready to go," but there was some type of problem that involved politics. He told me the best way to be heard was to write to Mr. Brennan. So it makes sense that if we would like to see changes on the IFHF, he would be the one to write to - to at least ask for a fair fee, whether or not it be an annual membership fee. Pointing out the weaknesses of the site (too many people with the same name and/or not having the other spouse's name for the marriage record), Mr. Brennan might see that the fees are too expensive at present. Jan

Margaret, I intend to dig into recs for the SHANAHAN / NESTOR connection despite the fact that I'm relatively sure they are not my line (but you never know, and I hate to leave a stone unturned) so it would be helpful to know (whilst I am looking) if your NESTOR / WALSH family from Askeaton immigrated anywhere...OZ or US? There is some slight possibility of connections between the WALSH family and one branch of my SHANAHANs who immigrated to the NY / NJ metro area...so let me know WHERE your folks ended up and I'll take a 'look see'. Kathy Researching SHANAHAN and LUBY surnames Co Limerick, Co Cork & Co Tipperary ------- Original message from "Margaret Garthwaite" <megarthwaite@sky.com>: -------- Has anyone come across any other Nestors in Askeaton? My Nestors supposedly originate from Ennis, and the records are not on-line yet. However, the only one I have any concrete information on is Mary Ann, who was baptised in Askeaton on December 25th, her parents being John Nestor and Bridget Walsh I would so like to track this family a bit further back, but I despair sometimes. Mostly! ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:15 AM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] SHARE IFHC records SHANAHAN NESTOR KENNELLY O'GRADYSLATTERY MURPHY ENRIGHT SCANLAN HOUNIHAN RYAN

I agree with you and if you are going to republish the work and call it your own, then that is a violation. I don't think we are doing that. We are sharing public information that we paid for with others and I believe we are giving IFHF the credit, so they have no complaint. You might ask them how they can copyright public records (?). Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <littlehouseantiques@att.net> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: Question regarding your posted Copyright Notice > Dear List, > > It occurred to me that since it the IFHF's posted Copyright Notice says, > > "You may not otherwise copy, modify, or distribute the contents of these > pages, or publish, broadcast, transmit, or otherwise distribute any > portion of this site without the express written authorization of the > Irish Family History Foundation" > > that technically speaking this means that IF you pay for records for them > AND you include the information in a personal family tree and quote them > as your source AND you happen to publish this information as part of a > personal family tree in a personal family web site ONLINE that you will, > in fact, be violating their copyright. This seems a little ridiculous to > me, so just out of curiosity I've written to them to ask what their stance > on this issue is. Copy of my email appended below. Anybody care to place > a wager on whether or not I'll receive a response? > > Kathy Rhodes > > -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > To: info@ifhf.ie > Subject: Question regarding your posted Copyright Notice > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:09:23 +0000 > > > Irish Family History Foundation > Karel Kiely, Secretary > e-mail: info@ifhf.ie > Irish Family History Foundation, > c/o Riverbank, > Main St., > Newbridge, > Co. Kildare > Ireland > > Dear Ms. Kiely, > > I have a question regarding your posted copyright notice. > > If I pay for and receive marriage, birth, or death information from your > site; may I reference the information obtained in a personal family > tree that I have compiled and which I publish online at a personal > family web site? > > Will I be violating your copyright if I do this? > > Thank you for your time and consideration. > > Sincerely, > Kathy L. Rhodes > 1760 Valley Green Road > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Cris, The reason that NESTOR and KENNELLY appears in my subject line is that in the course of purchasing records for my ancestor Denis SHANAHAN I received the following Co Limerick baptism record from the IFHF: Name: Denis Shanahan Date: 3 Mar 1830 Parish: Askeaton Denomination: Roman Catholic Father: Daniel Shanahan Mother: Mary Nestor Sponsor 1: Mi. Kennelly Sponsor 2: Mrs. O'Grady This date is correct for my Denis Shanahan, but the father and mother are wrong, so alas I know nothing about this Daniel Shanahan and his wife Mary Nestor. However, I keep and follow up on every SHANAHAN family I turn up in my research (haven't had a chance yet to dig up info on this SHANAHAN / NESTOR family) so I will contact you if I find anything that might be helpful to your search. Kathy Rhodes Researching SHANAHAN and LUBY surnames Co Limerick, Co Cork, and Co Tipperary -------------- Original messageS from crazyangel25@webtv.net: -------------- Hi I just read your other post and saw you have both NESTOR and KENNELLY in the subject. There must be a connection, dont you think? I hope so! Also I have a John FITZSIMMONS who married a Sarah WALSH in Nebraska in the early 1900's I have a NESTOR / NESTER (?) I dont know much about her at all. My great great grandmother was Mary (or Margaret) NESTOR married Cornelius KENNELLY (not sure of spelling of this one either) I was told they were from the Askeaton area, but dont know that to be a fact. My great grandmother was their daughter Margaret KENNELLY LANGAN. Does any of this sound familiar to you? Sorry thats all I have and Ive been looking for over 5 years!

here are my king rejects: honora king, baptism 10/16/1843 dunekenna, monagea, limerick father william; mother hana hartnett sponsor 1 mary king; sponsor 2 none recorded honora king, baptism 9/24/1848 monagea, limerick father bryan; mother margaret king sponsor 1 mgt. king; sponsor 2 none honora king, baptism 6/14/1848 dunekenna, monagea, limerick father john; mother hana. kelly sponsor 1 denis kelly; sponsor 2 hana. king honora king, baptism 6/16/1850 ballymuragh, monogea, limerick father michael; mother hana. shanahan sponsor 1 rbt. cussen; sponsor 2 mgt. shanahan honora king, baptism 8/9/1850 mt. catherine, pallasgreen, limerick father james; mother bridget finnan sponsor 1 mi mulcahy; sponsor 2 sa brien i have more rejects which i will share later or will send to anyone who asks. marilyn miller, mreed24@thejerseyshore.net

I would guess that since you paid for the information you have, it becomes your property to do as you please making their copyright void as long as you don't try to re-sell their information, which we are not doing here. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Hunt" <filidh@carolina.rr.com> To: "LIMERICK" <IRL-LIMERICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] !From ADMIN please read >I went to the IFHF website to see what their policy is on sharing the >records > from their website. > The following is in their copyright section. > Please refrain from posting any research results on the list. > Thanks. > Christina > List Admin Irl-Limerick > > You may not otherwise copy, modify, or distribute the contents of these > pages, > or publish, broadcast, transmit, or otherwise distribute any portion of > this > site without the express written authorization of the Irish Family History > Foundation. Any unauthorized use of this site or any content therein is > strictly > prohibited. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have accessed lots of preliminary but not all Fraher records from here. If I can help anyone please contact me. Regards, Eileen Fraher Sullivan

Cris All information gratefully received. Margaret is one of the names I would expect, it has a long pedigree among "my" Nestors. Witness my own name! All I can say is she might be one of mine. I'll hang on to her in case there's I find a link some day Thank you for your response. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <crazyangel25@webtv.net> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Cc: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Nestor / Walsh >I have a NESTOR / NESTER (?) I dont know much about her at all. My great > great grandmother was Mary (or Margaret) NESTOR married Cornelius > KENNELLY (not sure of spelling of this one either) I was told they were > from the Askeaton area, but dont know that to be a fact. My great > grandmother was their daughter Margaret KENNELLY LANGAN. > Does any of this sound familiar to you? Sorry thats all I have and Ive > been looking for over 5 years! > Cris > Atwater California > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well John, thank you for your help. Close enough that a relationship is not out of the question. If only I could nail something or someone down I would have a foundation to work on, but they are the most elusive souls. But then we can all say that, trying to sort out our Irish Ancestry, can't we? If only I'd asked these questions while there were people alive who knew the answers! Thanks again Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walton" <vabre1@optusnet.com.au> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Nestor / Walsh > Margaret , > > In the Griffith's Valuation there was only one John Nestor in Limerick and > he was in the Civil Parish of Kilcornan, T/L Shanbally. I could not find > any > Walsh's in that Parish. However in the adjoining Parish of Askeaton there > were the following Walsh's.. > > John, Muscle Lane, Askeaton. > Richard, Muscle Lane, Askeaton. > Mary, Main Street, Askeaton. > Michael, Aghalacka (Askeaton) > > John...Sydney.

These are mine - no sponsors - no marriage witnesses- no marriage parents -no other info other than you see here. Marriage - 14/02/1830 - St Munchins - both RC - ROGER CARMODY - MARY MYERS. Baptisms: 24/07/1832 - St Munchins - BRIDGET CARMODY - parents Roger Carmody - Mary Myres. 10/07/1834 - St Munchins JOHN CARMODY - parents Roger Carmody - Mary Myres 01/01/1843 - St Munchins PATRICK CARMODY parents - Roger Carmody - Mary Myres. My thanks to George Kelly without whose help I would not be even this far after 20 years searching - probably another 20 before I can afford any more at these charges!! Hope these help someone else - Joan Williams Killarney Victoria Australia