From Alumni Dublineses: GUBBINS, George Gough, Pen. (Mr. NOLAN), Oct. 4, 1824, aged 18; s. of George Gough, Generosus; b. Limerick. B.A. Vern. 1829 M.A. Vern. 1865 GUBBINS, Henry, Pen. (Mr. CLARKE), Nov. 1, 1802, aged 16; s. of James, Ingeniuus; b. Co. Limerick B.A. Aest. 1806. M.A. Vern 1820. GUBBINS, Henry, Pen. (Mr ELMES), Nov. 9, 1840, aged 21; s. of Henry, Clericus; b. Limerick. B.A. Vern. 1845 GUBBINS, Joseph, Pen. (Mr CASHIN, Limerick) May 24, 1718, aged 18; s. of James, Armiger; b. Knocklong, Co. Limerick. *The date is when they entered the college. A few Latin Terms: generosus -a -um [of noble birth , noble, well-bred]; armiger -gera -gerum [bearing arms]; as subst. , m. or f., [an armor bearer] agricola -ae m. [farmer]. mercator -oris m. [a merchant , wholesale trader] vern- Spring Also Pen. means pensioner. Source. Alumni Dublineses: A Register of the Students, Graduates, Professors, and Provosts of Trinity College, In the University of Dublin. Edited by the Late George Dames Burtchaell and Thomas Ulick Sadleir. 1924 [Source: FHL # 0990388] Christina

looking for John Pendergast in early 1800 who went to Canada Thanks Kathy Wood ----- Original Message ---- From: "irl-limerick-request@rootsweb.com" <irl-limerick-request@rootsweb.com> To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:33:02 PM Subject: IRL-LIMERICK Digest, Vol 3, Issue 179 Information Wanted: http://infowanted.bc.edu/ Today's Topics: 1. Latin (Ron Baker) 2. Book of Hospital (Elaine Murphy) 3. Re: Latin (Steve Franklin) 4. Search Help - Patrick Hannigan (Robyn Clarke) 5. CURRAN/LYNCH (Susan) 6. Fw: McAllister history -Limerick city-some help oradvice please. (John McAllister) 7. Re: Ssearch Help - Patrick Hannigan (littlehouseantiques@att.net) 8. Re: Book of Hospital (les wright) 9. Re: Book of Hospital (les wright) 10. IFHF Database "weirdness" to watch out for (littlehouseantiques@att.net) 11. Alumni Dublineses - GUBBINS (Christina Hunt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:34:31 +1000 From: "Ron Baker" <bakeron@optusnet.com.au> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Latin To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <578DD62DFE424E39B687EBE92CA09B6A@Workstation> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Latin: Help please: I have a relative with a Latin entry in a marriage register, the date is Julia 23 1826 and a family member insists that in English the date is 23 June. Would it not be more likely to be July? TIA Ron ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:06:35 +1100 From: "Elaine Murphy" <emurphy@netconnect.com.au> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Book of Hospital To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001a01c88a1e$42ded190$0201010a@nana> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Could you please check if there is any mention of CANTY in the Hospital Book. Regards Elaine ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:18:15 -0700 From: Steve Franklin <macdummy@montanasky.net> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Latin To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <47E1BB57.2010609@montanasky.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ron Baker wrote: > Latin: Help please: > > I have a relative with a Latin entry in a marriage register, the date is Julia 23 1826 and a family member insists that in English the date is 23 June. Would it not be more likely to be July? > > TIA > Ron > > > > > Ron: According to a Latin translator site, the following would be the Latin months: Iunius Iuniis Iunias Equals June Iulius Iuliis Iulias Equals July I am assuming that the "I" in Latin would be a "J" in English. Steve No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/08 9:54 AM ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:15:36 +1100 From: "Robyn Clarke" <rsclarke@bigpond.com> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Search Help - Patrick Hannigan To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002d01c88a1f$85cea1f0$0300000a@pc> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original John, Re Parish Priest and local records. Just for your information, I contributed to a poor box, instead of a personal payment to the Priest, this was his wish. BUT he couldn't find even a mention of my requested surname TRISTRAM in his Registers. I knew the family had been born there and when, they were Church of Ireland and had other relatives in the same area with the same surname. No sight of any of them. I kept in contact for about three months, asking if he could just check this book and that Parish and eventually gave up, as my pockets were empty. It seems the only thorough and complete search, is to do it oneself........and for many this is possible it seems, but for those like myself over the pond in Australia and unable to travel, one has to rely on the wonderful help of others....I can't even borrow LDS films relating to some parts of Ireland, told not available in Australia! Well that's my whinge....on with the search. Robyn N.S.W. Australia ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:32:31 -0500 From: "Susan" <jennison@iowatelecom.net> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] CURRAN/LYNCH To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <03af01c88a21$e2b389b0$0cfb4245@your4dacd0ea75> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does anyone have a PATRICK CURRAN married to MARGARET LYNCH Nov. 28, 1855 in Bruff Parish... Witnesses were MICHAEL LYNCH & MARGARET LYNCH. Does anyone have info on their children?? Thanks, Susan ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:25:04 +1100 From: "John McAllister" <rjmcallister@optusnet.com.au> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Fw: McAllister history -Limerick city-some help oradvice please. To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000301c88a23$47df63d0$304c6e3a@jmcallister> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McAllister" <rjmcallister@optusnet.com.au> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] McAllister history -Limerick city-some help oradvice please. > Greetings to Cathy,Christina,and any other good hearted readers; > I am from Melbourne Australia and trying to find McAllister history > ,Limerick, in general, and of one PATRICK McALLISTER,in particular. > Patrick McAllister was a hatter in Limerick city;his wife/partner was a > Mary Flaherty. > They had three children--Joan (8/1807;Mary (1/1809) JAMES( 2/1813). > Baptism cert. for James shows he was baptised 13/2/1813 St.Marys Parish > Diocese of Limerick,parents as stated and sponsors James Dwyer,Mary > Nestor. James married Ellen Clohessy 10/1837 and both then came to > Australia. > Can anyone help me with ideas/information concerning where PATRICK > McALLISTER or when born and/or death. > Any information/advice would be gratefully received. > John McAllister (rjmcallister@optusnet.com.au) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:19:26 +0000 From: littlehouseantiques@att.net Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Ssearch Help - Patrick Hannigan To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <032020080219.5826.47E1C9AC000534C7000016C222218865869B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> John, Can't speak as to what it is like in Ireland but in NYC parish priests don't normally take well to vague requests such as "can you look up all Hannigan births in your parish?" Usually they want a given name and a date (or at least a limited date range). What date range would you give in your case? You've got a birth rec for Patrick Hannigan of 1838 and no idea where in the birth order he falls. For the sake of argument lets assume his mother married at abt age 20 and therefore could in all liklihood bear children for the next 20 years--since you don't know when she married or what birth order of children is you'd have to search for 20 years on either side of Patrick's DOB (1838) or in other words from 1818-1858. So let's use the databases at the IFHF and do that--and find all the Hannigans who were born and baptised in Bulgaden Parish during that time period. 1st pull all Hannigans (any spelling) in Co Limerick; you get 399 - ranging from 1758 and onwards (note it won't show you all 399 rather just the first 10 but they are the first 10 in date order so at least you know how far back these recs go but you don't know where they end) but that's okay, we've got a range to check so now we are gonna do that beginning with 1818 (you can really skip this step and just start looking for Hannigans with your date range, but I like to check because you might catch a break and find that for the date range you are researching that they don't even have recs back to 1818 so it would save some steps to know this before you start going in year by year) This is NOT the case for this example though as they've got recs all the way back to 1758 so I'm going to have to check each and every year in the range. 2nd Plug in surname Hannigan (leave given name blank) and plug in first year of your range. Now copy what comes up for the first year. For example for 1818 there are two; for 1819 there are 4, etc. When you finish doing this for the range 1818-1858 you end up with 187 records. WHY do you have to do this? BECAUSE YOU NEED THE GIVEN NAME of EACH Hannigan in order to search by Parish. The IFHF site will not let you do a parish search withOUT having a GIVEN name; it also will not do any 'variant' matching on given names, i.e. if you enter William and the record is actually out there under Wm. then it will NOT find the record. 3rd take these 187 recs and throw them into a word processing program (MS Word or whatever you've got) and SORT them alphabetically. This will group all the different ways the surname is spelled and then within that will group all of the given names that are the same together--they'll be out of date order but this will make the next step easier. 4th ONE at a time enter the EXACT surname spelling the EXACT given name and set the parish parameter to the one you are researching (in this case BULGADEN) and check your list and enter the YEAR for that entry. Working your way through our list of 187 Hannigans you'll eventually find that there are only 13 that took place in the Parish of Bulgaden and they are: Baptism Hannigan Alice 1840 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Joh. 1818 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan John 1845 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan John 1845 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Kate 1836 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Kate 1837 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Kate 1847 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Maria 1841 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Michael 1842 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Patk. 1838 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Patk. 1838 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Patk. 1843 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Thady 1842 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN NOW, go to that parish priest and ask him to look these up for ya! You won't be wasting his time and it will be easier for him to find what he is looking for armed with both NAMES and DATES. Or plunk down your 65 Euros and see them online :-( (you know you will have to send "contribution" to the PP for these recs right? don't know what the "expected" amount is though--maybe less than 65 Euro? maybe more???) Kathy Rhodes -- Original message from Hannigan Family Research research@hannigangenealogy.us>: -- I appreciate the help in tracking down these records. My next step will be to get the specific record and contact the parish priest to see if he can provide additional help. Has anyone on the list been successful in a parish priest providing copies of records? Are they just recorded in a logbook register or are they actual certificates that provide additional information? I assume that contacting the parish priest at Bulgaden would be a logical step to see if there were other siblings. Thanks again for the help. John Hannigan Florida ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:15:36 +1000 From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Book of Hospital To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001e01c88a30$49387840$960bfea9@les> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I know without looking that Canty is in the book, but I will get back to you soon, Easter is taking my time at present. Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Murphy" <emurphy@netconnect.com.au> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 10:06 AM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Book of Hospital > Hi > Could you please check if there is any mention of CANTY in the Hospital > Book. > > Regards > Elaine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:16:42 +1000 From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Book of Hospital To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <003601c88a30$70371320$960bfea9@les> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Will get back to you soon. Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverley Rodan" <bevrodan@iinet.net.au> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 7:24 AM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Book of Hospital > Hi Robyn, > Is it possible to look in your book of Hospital for the names > HENNEBERY (or equivalent), CONWAY, MAHAR or HOURIGAN in the book of > Hospital. I have a record of birth of Peter HOURIGAN, 27 Jun 1865, > son of Richard HOURIGAN and Bridget nee CONWAY. I think I have found > the HOURIGAN family in Shronell parish, townland of Ballinglanna. > This is near Hospital. The Conway, Mahar and Hennebery family may be > from the Hospital area. > Thankyou for your help. > Bev Rodan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:35:25 +0000 From: littlehouseantiques@att.net Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] IFHF Database "weirdness" to watch out for To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <032020080235.29872.47E1CD6D000103C6000074B022218865869B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain List, Be aware that the IFHF database does some pretty flipped out stuff! You know when you use this site you have to initally click on the map to go to what ever particular County you want to search, right? So one would assume that if you are researching in County Limerick that the ONLY records you'd get back are ones actually in County Limerick....but sad to say this is NOT true. For example, click on Co Limerick and then do a search for Birth Records HANNIGAN, Catherine, 1845 +/- 4 years and it brings back 6 records - 3 of which are in County Cork!!!!! So what's up with that?? It's totally weird and they've obviously got some "bugs" to work out! Kathy Rhodes ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:32:13 -0400 From: Christina Hunt <filidh@carolina.rr.com> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Alumni Dublineses - GUBBINS To: LIMERICK <IRL-LIMERICK@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <2008319233213.588157@VALUED-3253602F> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >From Alumni Dublineses: GUBBINS, George Gough, Pen. (Mr. NOLAN), Oct. 4, 1824, aged 18; s. of George Gough, Generosus; b. Limerick. B.A. Vern. 1829 M.A. Vern. 1865 GUBBINS, Henry, Pen. (Mr. CLARKE), Nov. 1, 1802, aged 16; s. of James, Ingeniuus; b. Co. Limerick B.A. Aest. 1806. M.A. Vern 1820. GUBBINS, Henry, Pen. (Mr ELMES), Nov. 9, 1840, aged 21; s. of Henry, Clericus; b. Limerick. B.A. Vern. 1845 GUBBINS, Joseph, Pen. (Mr CASHIN, Limerick) May 24, 1718, aged 18; s. of James, Armiger; b. Knocklong, Co. Limerick. *The date is when they entered the college. A few Latin Terms: generosus -a -um [of noble birth , noble, well-bred]; armiger -gera -gerum [bearing arms]; as subst. , m. or f., [an armor bearer] agricola -ae m. [farmer]. mercator -oris m. [a merchant , wholesale trader] vern- Spring Also Pen. means pensioner. Source. Alumni Dublineses: A Register of the Students, Graduates, Professors, and Provosts of Trinity College, In the University of Dublin. Edited by the Late George Dames Burtchaell and Thomas Ulick Sadleir. 1924 [Source: FHL # 0990388] Christina ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-LIMERICK list administrator, send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the IRL-LIMERICK mailing list, send an email to IRL-LIMERICK@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-LIMERICK Digest, Vol 3, Issue 179 ********************************************

Does anyone have a PATRICK CURRAN married to MARGARET LYNCH Nov. 28, 1855 in Bruff Parish... Witnesses were MICHAEL LYNCH & MARGARET LYNCH. Does anyone have info on their children?? Thanks, Susan

Kathy - thank you for your help. I am frustrated with the IFHF in looking at records. It gets very costly very quickly as other will attest to. I appreciate the help in tracking down these records. My next step will be to get the specific record and contact the parish priest to see if he can provide additional help. Has anyone on the list been successful in a parish priest providing copies of records? Are they just recorded in a logbook register or are they actual certificates that provide additional information? I assume that contacting the parish priest at Bulgaden would be a logical step to see if there were other siblings. Thanks again for the help. John Hannigan Florida littlehouseantiques@att.net wrote: > John, > > Next logical step to my way of thinking would be to find the marriage > record for the couple in the baptism record that you found. > > I'm going to share what I found because doing so does not violate > copyright (I didn't pay to see any records, I just used the search > capabilities that are in place on the site) and I think I've found a > good possibility for you to look into and explaining how I found this > record will also demonstrate (for anyone who is interested) how to > carry out a search when trying to find a particular marriage record on > the IFHF web site. > > What I did was search for the name Cornelius HANNIGAN (first across > ALL of Ireland just to see how many there were). Turns out there are > only 5 birth recs and 2 marriage recs and both Marriage recs are in > County Limerick. One marriage rec was from 1870 (too late for your > fella) the other from 1835 which might be just about right since the > baptism record you pulled was for 1838. Next, I determined which > parish this marriage took place in by painstakingly plugging each one > in until the record finally came up. Turns out the marriage is as > follows: > > Marriage Hannigan Cornelius 1835 Co. Limerick Parish: DROMIN & ATHLACCA > > Next I pulled all marriages for Riordans in Co Limerick for 1835 - I > ignored the first name since it seems like you've got a gal who is > alternately called either Margaret or Mary. In the resulting list > that came up (23 names) I looked through and pulled any Mary or > Margaret (or Maria) and got this list: > > Marriage Rierdon Mary 1835 Co. Limerick > Marriage Riordan Margaret 1835 Co. Limerick > Marriage Riordan Mary Anne 1835 Co. Limerick > Marriage Riordan Maria 1835 Co. Limerick > Marriage Riardon Maria 1835 Co. Limerick > > Then I plugged each of them in to see if any of the above marriages > took place in the same parish as that of Cornelius Hannigan (DROMIN & > ATHLACCA) > > Hit nada on the first three, but the last two were from DROMIN & ATHLACCA > > So the last two could possibly be the marriage record that you are > looking for (and actually I think the last two are the SAME record but > that the record has been entered twice (perhaps because surname was > difficult to read). > > I was reading on the IFHF site and it mentions that they do have > duplicate records; they advise that if you pay for two records and > find that it is the SAME record that they will REFUND your money if > you just email them and explain the problem. > > Oh, and another reason to think this may very well be YOUR couple is > that the RC Parish of Bulgaden where the baptism of Patrick Hannigan > took place is very close to DROMIN & ATHLACCA. > > Helpful links on where the above couple Cornelius Hannigan and Maria > Riordan/Riardan got married in Dromin are found at: > http://www.limerickdioceseheritage.org/DrominAthlacca.htm > Clicking on the links for the PRIESTS shows that the Parish Priest at > Dromin Church in 1835 at time of this marriage would have been James > O'Regan > (doesn't necessarily mean he performed the marriage, but he could have) > > Happy Hunting! > Kathy Rhodes > > ---- Original message from Hannigan Family Research > <research@hannigangenealogy.us>: ------ > > I did an IFHF search and need some help. Given the recent strict > > interpretation regarding discussing IFHF I wanted to repost this so it > > does not get lost. I think I have found my ancestor in the IFHF. I > > searched SEVEN different records before I found this one. > > > > Here is the short version of my family history in Ireland. According to > > the 1884 NYC death certificate Patrick Joseph Hannigan was born to > > Cornelius & Mary Hannigan. Where in County Limerick he was born is > > unknown as the only reference we have is based on the headstone on his > > grave at St. Raymond's Cemetery in NYC. > > > > I did a search and found this record. In fact, I looked at 7 different > > records before the names of the parents were even close. Now comes the > > fun part of trying to find out how to get mo re information about this > > family and to see if there is a possible link to the Patrick Hannigan > > that I am related to. How would I do able finding out more about > > Cornelius & Margaret and if they had other children? Is it possible to > > find out if Patk immigrated from Ireland to New York City? At his death > > in 1884 his death certificate and tomb stone indicated he was 44 years > > old. This would make him 46 if it is the correct person. > > > > Baptism Record: > > > > Patk Hannigan > > DOB: 06/03/1838 > > Father: Corn. Hannigan > > Mother: Margaret Riordan > > Parish/District: BULGADEN > > > > Sponsor1: Patk. Hannigan > > Sponsor2: Hanora Laffan > > > > I am not asking people to share their experience with IFHF. I am not > > asking people to share their records from IFHF. I am asking for > > *GENEALOGICAL HELP* regarding what I have found in a IFHF search. > > > > Any help on where to go from here is appreciated. > > > > John C Hannigan > > Jacksonville, Florida

Ron Baker wrote: > Latin: Help please: > > I have a relative with a Latin entry in a marriage register, the date is Julia 23 1826 and a family member insists that in English the date is 23 June. Would it not be more likely to be July? > > TIA > Ron > > > > > Ron: According to a Latin translator site, the following would be the Latin months: Iunius Iuniis Iunias Equals June Iulius Iuliis Iulias Equals July I am assuming that the "I" in Latin would be a "J" in English. Steve No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/08 9:54 AM

Thanks Nick. It might be worth buying but since I wanted to share so I should probably get the film. I did find an ancestor's brother's name there. My ancestor came to the US but his nephew became a Dean (of Down). It gave the Dean's father's name, so that was new. Christina | Christina | | Alumni Dublinenses is available ob CD from Eneclann | http://www.eneclann.ie/acatalog/Archive_CD_Books_Ireland.html Their | price is 21.41 Euros for people outside the EU

Cris On you own family research you can use data you find online. It is a good idea to give the source as the website and url and date when you found the piece of information. It may be gone in six months. If you find a photo you can credit the website and mention the photo is owned by John Doe. If someone shares a photo with you you can use them as the source. One of the main reasons for giving a source is so someone else can verify your facts by finding the information you found. Genealogists should always try to get as close to the original source as they can. Sometimes you find errors in transcribing when you see the original. I found one of my ancestors only after I got a copy of the original marriage records. He was listed as Flinn, Thomas in the index. I ignored it initially. When I got it to see for myself if was Finn. I could see how the fancy script Fi had become Fli. Regards, Christina | So would someone have to ask me or the list admin permission to use | my pics? | I believe if its on the internet its not personal or it wouldnt be | here for the world see.

Thank you Kathy, that was very instructive................. ----- Original Message ----- From: <littlehouseantiques@att.net> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com>; <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Ssearch Help - Patrick Hannigan > John, > > Next logical step to my way of thinking would be to find the marriage > record for the couple in the baptism record that you found. > > I'm going to share what I found because doing so does not violate > copyright (I didn't pay to see any records, I just used the search > capabilities that are in place on the site) and I think I've found a good > possibility for you to look into and explaining how I found this record > will also demonstrate (for anyone who is interested) how to carry out a > search when trying to find a particular marriage record on the IFHF web > site. > > What I did was search for the name Cornelius HANNIGAN (first across ALL of > Ireland just to see how many there were). Turns out there are only 5 > birth recs and 2 marriage recs and both Marriage recs are in County > Limerick. One marriage rec was from 1870 (too late for your fella) the > other from 1835 which might be just about right since the baptism record > you pulled was for 1838. Next, I determined which parish this marriage > took place in by painstakingly plugging each one in until the record > finally came up. Turns out the marriage is as follows: > > Marriage Hannigan Cornelius 1835 Co. Limerick Parish: DROMIN & ATHLACCA > > Next I pulled all marriages for Riordans in Co Limerick for 1835 - I > ignored the first name since it seems like you've got a gal who is > alternately called either Margaret or Mary. In the resulting list that > came up (23 names) I looked through and pulled any Mary or Margaret (or > Maria) and got this list: > > Marriage Rierdon Mary 1835 Co. Limerick > Marriage Riordan Margaret 1835 Co. Limerick > Marriage Riordan Mary Anne 1835 Co. Limerick > Marriage Riordan Maria 1835 Co. Limerick > Marriage Riardon Maria 1835 Co. Limerick > > Then I plugged each of them in to see if any of the above marriages took > place in the same parish as that of Cornelius Hannigan (DROMIN & ATHLACCA) > > Hit nada on the first three, but the last two were from DROMIN & ATHLACCA > > So the last two could possibly be the marriage record that you are looking > for (and actually I think the last two are the SAME record but that the > record has been entered twice (perhaps because surname was difficult to > read). > > I was reading on the IFHF site and it mentions that they do have duplicate > records; they advise that if you pay for two records and find that it is > the SAME record that they will REFUND your money if you just email them > and explain the problem. > > Oh, and another reason to think this may very well be YOUR couple is that > the RC Parish of Bulgaden where the baptism of Patrick Hannigan took place > is very close to DROMIN & ATHLACCA. > > Helpful links on where the above couple Cornelius Hannigan and Maria > Riordan/Riardan got married in Dromin are found at: > http://www.limerickdioceseheritage.org/DrominAthlacca.htm > Clicking on the links for the PRIESTS shows that the Parish Priest at > Dromin Church in 1835 at time of this marriage would have been James > O'Regan > (doesn't necessarily mean he performed the marriage, but he could have) > > Happy Hunting! > Kathy Rhodes > > ---- Original message from Hannigan Family Research > <research@hannigangenealogy.us>: ------ >> I did an IFHF search and need some help. Given the recent strict >> interpretation regarding discussing IFHF I wanted to repost this so it >> does not get lost. I think I have found my ancestor in the IFHF. I >> searched SEVEN different records before I found this one. >> >> Here is the short version of my family history in Ireland. According to >> the 1884 NYC death certificate Patrick Joseph Hannigan was born to >> Cornelius & Mary Hannigan. Where in County Limerick he was born is >> unknown as the only reference we have is based on the headstone on his >> grave at St. Raymond's Cemetery in NYC. >> >> I did a search and found this record. In fact, I looked at 7 different >> records before the names of the parents were even close. Now comes the >> fun part of trying to find out how to get more information about this >> family and to see if there is a possible link to the Patrick Hannigan >> that I am related to. How would I do able finding out more about >> Cornelius & Margaret and if they had other children? Is it possible to >> find out if Patk immigrated from Ireland to New York City? At his death >> in 1884 his death certificate and tomb stone indicated he was 44 years >> old. This would make him 46 if it is the correct person. >> >> Baptism Record: >> >> Patk Hannigan >> DOB: 06/03/1838 >> Father: Corn. Hannigan >> Mother: Margaret Riordan >> Parish/District: BULGADEN >> >> Sponsor1: Patk. Hannigan >> Sponsor2: Hanora Laffan >> >> I am not asking people to share their experience with IFHF. I am not >> asking people to share their records from IFHF. I am asking for >> *GENEALOGICAL HELP* regarding what I have found in a IFHF search. >> >> Any help on where to go from here is appreciated. >> >> John C Hannigan >> Jacksonville, Florida > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi List sorry dont know if this subject is done with my mailbox was closed again (long forwards do that please remove the original message). I completely agree with Jim! I have many many records on my "family" website. I have cited sources and I have covered my rear with the "family" in case someone wants to get nasty about it. However, Iam of the thinking that the ancestors I search are my ancestors they dont belong to ancestry.com, etc. They belong my family, they are readiy available records, they come from church records, census,(which no church census, etc own the census records) etc. The ONLY time I ask permission from anyone is if it is something they have written personally, or a picture they have personally taken. Which brings me to a question here..I belong to several lists.I have pictures I own of my ancestors on my webpages,some are on the Platte County website, which I donated to my list. I own the pictures, my sisters owns some pictures etc, mostly my Mom owned them and shes been gone several years now. So would someone have to ask me or the list admin permission to use my pics? I believe if its on the internet its not personal or it wouldnt be here for the world see. I will continue to do as I have always done, use the sources I wish and really dont care what their copyrights are. You cant copyright something you dont own. They didnt ask MY permission to put my grandparents, newspaper articles the census etc. online so why should I need to ask theirs. I do and I wont and so far no one has ever challenged me, They wouldnt get too far, I wont remove my information. thats my 2¢ worth. Cris

Hi there Robyn, I was interested in the book on Hospital, that you mentioned to Mike. By any chance would there be Leddin's or Condon's mentioned in there by any chance? Many thanks in advance, Michelle Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> To: <mike@obrienclan.com>; <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] O'Brien Research > Hello again Mike, > > I have a book of Hospital & the history of it's environs, so I have had a > quick look for you & this is what I have found: Book published 1995. > > A section that covers over 100 years ago from Guy's Postal directory 1889 > shows these O'Briens > > Local Quarrier for sand stone etc Millfarm, stone, Patrick O'Brien Prop. > > Principal farmers Hospital, O'Brien, Millfarm Lodge. > > Griffiths Valuation.. Hospital Parish. > > Ballycahill (ord s.40) > > Matthew O'Brien. > > Town of Hospital. > > Patrick O'Brien > > Barrysfarm. > > John O'Brien > > Castlefarm. > > John O'Brien > > These O'Briens were in the Townlands & Occupiers section. > > Let me know if I can be of anymore help to you. > > Robyn maiden name Bresnan > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <mike@obrienclan.com> > To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] O'Brien Research > > >> Here are mine again plus the witnesses. >> >> Baptism Records: >> William O'Brien 23/02/1824 >> Parish: Hospital >> Father: Kennedy O'Brien >> Mother: Margaret O'Donnell >> Denomination: Roman Catholic >> Sponsor 1: Thos. White >> Sponsor 2: Cath. O'Brien >> >> Catherine O'Brien 00/03/1829 >> Parish: Galbally & Aherlow >> Father: Thomas O'Brien >> Mother: Ellen Noonan >> Denomination: Roman Catholic >> Sponsor 1: Thomas Brien >> Sponsor 2: Margaret Brien >> >> Catherine O'Brien 26/02/1829 >> Parish: Murroe & Boher >> Father: Patrick O'Brien >> Mother: Cath. Malley >> Denomination: Roman Catholic >> Sponsor 1: William O'Brien >> Sponsor 2: Mgt. O'Brien >> >> Catherine O'Brien 05/04/1829 >> Parish: Kilteely >> Father: Thomas O'Brien >> Mother: Bridget O'Sullivan >> Denomination: Roman Catholic >> Sponsor 1: James Laffan >> Sponsor 2: Not recorded >> >> I purchased 40 Euro and used 30 before getting these four at 5 Euro each. >> The William could be mine based on his obituary stating he was aged 40 in >> Dec 1864. >> One of the Catherine's could be mine based on her obituary stating she >> was >> 67 on 5 Jan 1897. >> >> This is the closest I have come in years to finding my great grand >> parents, >> natives of Co Limerick. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi John, I had a look at the Griffith's Valuation 1851 for a Cornelius Hannigan in Limerick however it showed nil. Most of the Hannigan's seem to come from the Civil Parish of Dromcolliher. I feel this could be worthy of a follow up. John...Sydney. John Hannigan wrote>>>>>> >I did an IFHF search and need some help. Given the recent strict > interpretation regarding discussing IFHF I wanted to repost this so it > does not get lost. I think I have found my ancestor in the IFHF. I > searched SEVEN different records before I found this one. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Michelle, On a quick look I can see the name Leddin & there is a Leddin in a phote. Will be in touch after I have had a better look as there is no index in this book. Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Leddin" <irishsoul@netspace.net.au> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] O'Brien Research > Hi there Robyn, > > I was interested in the book on Hospital, that you mentioned to Mike. By > any > chance would there be Leddin's or Condon's mentioned in there by any > chance? > > Many thanks in advance, > Michelle > Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> > To: <mike@obrienclan.com>; <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:26 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] O'Brien Research > > >> Hello again Mike, >> >> I have a book of Hospital & the history of it's environs, so I have had a >> quick look for you & this is what I have found: Book published 1995. >> >> A section that covers over 100 years ago from Guy's Postal directory >> 1889 >> shows these O'Briens >> >> Local Quarrier for sand stone etc Millfarm, stone, Patrick O'Brien >> Prop. >> >> Principal farmers Hospital, O'Brien, Millfarm Lodge. >> >> Griffiths Valuation.. Hospital Parish. >> >> Ballycahill (ord s.40) >> >> Matthew O'Brien. >> >> Town of Hospital. >> >> Patrick O'Brien >> >> Barrysfarm. >> >> John O'Brien >> >> Castlefarm. >> >> John O'Brien >> >> These O'Briens were in the Townlands & Occupiers section. >> >> Let me know if I can be of anymore help to you. >> >> Robyn maiden name Bresnan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <mike@obrienclan.com> >> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:24 AM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] O'Brien Research >> >> >>> Here are mine again plus the witnesses. >>> >>> Baptism Records: >>> William O'Brien 23/02/1824 >>> Parish: Hospital >>> Father: Kennedy O'Brien >>> Mother: Margaret O'Donnell >>> Denomination: Roman Catholic >>> Sponsor 1: Thos. White >>> Sponsor 2: Cath. O'Brien >>> >>> Catherine O'Brien 00/03/1829 >>> Parish: Galbally & Aherlow >>> Father: Thomas O'Brien >>> Mother: Ellen Noonan >>> Denomination: Roman Catholic >>> Sponsor 1: Thomas Brien >>> Sponsor 2: Margaret Brien >>> >>> Catherine O'Brien 26/02/1829 >>> Parish: Murroe & Boher >>> Father: Patrick O'Brien >>> Mother: Cath. Malley >>> Denomination: Roman Catholic >>> Sponsor 1: William O'Brien >>> Sponsor 2: Mgt. O'Brien >>> >>> Catherine O'Brien 05/04/1829 >>> Parish: Kilteely >>> Father: Thomas O'Brien >>> Mother: Bridget O'Sullivan >>> Denomination: Roman Catholic >>> Sponsor 1: James Laffan >>> Sponsor 2: Not recorded >>> >>> I purchased 40 Euro and used 30 before getting these four at 5 Euro >>> each. >>> The William could be mine based on his obituary stating he was aged 40 >>> in >>> Dec 1864. >>> One of the Catherine's could be mine based on her obituary stating she >>> was >>> 67 on 5 Jan 1897. >>> >>> This is the closest I have come in years to finding my great grand >>> parents, >>> natives of Co Limerick. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John, If I create a GEDCOM with my research and upload it to the Rootsweb software which displays and navigates about that tree on the web and it's copyrighted, then no one can copy that proprietary format or that software. But I can sure as heck share my family tree in any other format (GEDCOM, written up in whatever generic charts or lists, etc.) I want to -- and then those are under my copyright. And I or anyone else can access that public Rootsweb website of my posted family tree information to use for personal purposes. True, you probably cannot "sell it" or provide a service to strip all the information out of that site and then repost it with the same proprietary format and navigation even for free. But who is interested in doing that? Jim Message: 3 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:47:20 -0400 From: Hannigan Family Research <research@hannigangenealogy.us> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Copyright and Sharing IFHF records To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <47E03868.7000802@hannigangenealogy.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Most generally speaking - James you are correct about the 'copyright' of the materials on the IFHF database. Most information that is available in the public sector if considered "public information' after 75 years. The 75 years mark is generally accepted as the end of life and the protection from privacy. With the advent of the Internet (by Al Gore) private records have lost their secracy from the Public. Most information that in older than 75 years is considered to be in the 'Public Domain." But here is the problem - if you used World Family Tree project or the Ancestry Family Tree project on Rootsweb to upload your infomation there was a disclaimer that they regained the copyright to the material on their server.The problem got to be that once you uploaded the information your lost access to the information because of copyright. My understanding - like James' - is that the format in which the data is displayed is the issue. IFHF would be free to charge a membership fee - like Ancestry.com and Genealogy.com - to recover the cost of processing the websites. However, since the Census forms are available at various sources, including on Microfilm at some local libraries and the federal government offices - these websites don't hold the copyright to the census. While the discussion might be considered mute to some people, I thought that was the reason for this discussion list. If the purpose of this discussion list is not to share information regarding the search for ancestors in County Limerick, Ireland, I must be on the wrong list. John Hannigan Florida

Carla, Unfortunately, I did not keep this film on permanent loan. I just made copies. I will think about re-ordering the film. It has some good information in it. I believe the 2nd person names after pens. was the person who educated the student. Regards, Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlarchive/ | Hi Christina, || Where did you get these? Someone was kind and had copied a page of | Fitzgerald, John and at the moment I can't find where I put it. | However when I was reading it I had a hard time figuring out which | one was my John. I know that he was an Attorney and Notary Public. | He was definetly an Attorney when my ggggrandmother was born in | 1803. He lived in Limerick. If you have access to this could you | look him up. I believe he was married in 1802 and may have been an | Attorney at the time. || Carla ||| ----- Original Message ---- | From: Christina Hunt <filidh@carolina.rr.com> | To: LIMERICK <IRL-LIMERICK@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:47:38 PM | Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Alumni Dublineses - some Limerick names | | Various names from Alumni Dublineses: | | ARMSTRONG, Wyndham Fitzgerald, Siz: (Dungannon Sch.), June 13, | 1843, aged 18; s. of John, Agricola ; b. Co. Limerick. Sch. 1846. <snip>

John, Next logical step to my way of thinking would be to find the marriage record for the couple in the baptism record that you found. I'm going to share what I found because doing so does not violate copyright (I didn't pay to see any records, I just used the search capabilities that are in place on the site) and I think I've found a good possibility for you to look into and explaining how I found this record will also demonstrate (for anyone who is interested) how to carry out a search when trying to find a particular marriage record on the IFHF web site. What I did was search for the name Cornelius HANNIGAN (first across ALL of Ireland just to see how many there were). Turns out there are only 5 birth recs and 2 marriage recs and both Marriage recs are in County Limerick. One marriage rec was from 1870 (too late for your fella) the other from 1835 which might be just about right since the baptism record you pulled was for 1838. Next, I determined which parish this marriage took place in by painstakingly plugging each one in until the record finally came up. Turns out the marriage is as follows: Marriage Hannigan Cornelius 1835 Co. Limerick Parish: DROMIN & ATHLACCA Next I pulled all marriages for Riordans in Co Limerick for 1835 - I ignored the first name since it seems like you've got a gal who is alternately called either Margaret or Mary. In the resulting list that came up (23 names) I looked through and pulled any Mary or Margaret (or Maria) and got this list: Marriage Rierdon Mary 1835 Co. Limerick Marriage Riordan Margaret 1835 Co. Limerick Marriage Riordan Mary Anne 1835 Co. Limerick Marriage Riordan Maria 1835 Co. Limerick Marriage Riardon Maria 1835 Co. Limerick Then I plugged each of them in to see if any of the above marriages took place in the same parish as that of Cornelius Hannigan (DROMIN & ATHLACCA) Hit nada on the first three, but the last two were from DROMIN & ATHLACCA So the last two could possibly be the marriage record that you are looking for (and actually I think the last two are the SAME record but that the record has been entered twice (perhaps because surname was difficult to read). I was reading on the IFHF site and it mentions that they do have duplicate records; they advise that if you pay for two records and find that it is the SAME record that they will REFUND your money if you just email them and explain the problem. Oh, and another reason to think this may very well be YOUR couple is that the RC Parish of Bulgaden where the baptism of Patrick Hannigan took place is very close to DROMIN & ATHLACCA. Helpful links on where the above couple Cornelius Hannigan and Maria Riordan/Riardan got married in Dromin are found at: http://www.limerickdioceseheritage.org/DrominAthlacca.htm Clicking on the links for the PRIESTS shows that the Parish Priest at Dromin Church in 1835 at time of this marriage would have been James O’Regan (doesn't necessarily mean he performed the marriage, but he could have) Happy Hunting! Kathy Rhodes ---- Original message from Hannigan Family Research <research@hannigangenealogy.us>: ------ > I did an IFHF search and need some help. Given the recent strict > interpretation regarding discussing IFHF I wanted to repost this so it > does not get lost. I think I have found my ancestor in the IFHF. I > searched SEVEN different records before I found this one. > > Here is the short version of my family history in Ireland. According to > the 1884 NYC death certificate Patrick Joseph Hannigan was born to > Cornelius & Mary Hannigan. Where in County Limerick he was born is > unknown as the only reference we have is based on the headstone on his > grave at St. Raymond's Cemetery in NYC. > > I did a search and found this record. In fact, I looked at 7 different > records before the names of the parents were even close. Now comes the > fun part of trying to find out how to get more information about this > family and to see if there is a possible link to the Patrick Hannigan > that I am related to. How would I do able finding out more about > Cornelius & Margaret and if they had other children? Is it possible to > find out if Patk immigrated from Ireland to New York City? At his death > in 1884 his death certificate and tomb stone indicated he was 44 years > old. This would make him 46 if it is the correct person. > > Baptism Record: > > Patk Hannigan > DOB: 06/03/1838 > Father: Corn. Hannigan > Mother: Margaret Riordan > Parish/District: BULGADEN > > Sponsor1: Patk. Hannigan > Sponsor2: Hanora Laffan > > I am not asking people to share their experience with IFHF. I am not > asking people to share their records from IFHF. I am asking for > *GENEALOGICAL HELP* regarding what I have found in a IFHF search. > > Any help on where to go from here is appreciated. > > John C Hannigan > Jacksonville, Florida

Various names from Alumni Dublineses: ARMSTRONG, Wyndham Fitzgerald, Siz: (Dungannon Sch.), June 13, 1843, aged 18; s. of John, Agricola ; b. Co. Limerick. Sch. 1846. LYSAGHT, John, Pen (Mr. DUNBAR, Dublin), Aug. 31, 1639, aged 18; eldest s. of Thomas; b. Co. Limerick. LYSAGHT, John, Pen. (Mr CHINERY, Middletown), June 14, 1718, aged 16; s. of Nicholas, Armiger; b. Co., Limerick. [1st Baron lisle.] LYSAGHT, Richard, Pen. (Mr M'GILLIGOTT), Nov. 10 1790, aged 15; s. of Thomas, Pragmaticus; b. Co. Limerick. POWELL, John, Pen. (Dr CASHIN), July 8, 1736, aged 16 ; s. of Robert, Generosus; b. Eaglestown. Co. Limerick, B.A. aest 1741. POWER, Edward Rose, Siz. Can. (self-educated), May 23, 1837, aged 20; s. of Edward Saltator; b. Limerick. RIGGS, George, Pen. (Mr CHINNERY, Middleton), May 5, 1727, aged 18; s. of George, Generosus; b. Co. Limerick. WALSH, John, Pen. (Mr TURPIN), Oct. 17, 1834, aged 20; R.C., s. of Michael, Generosus; B. Limerick. WALSH, (WELSH), John W., Pen. (P.T.), Dec. 6, 1845, aged 22; s. of John, Agricola; b. Co. Limerick. *The date is when they entered the college. A few Latin Terms: generosus -a -um [of noble birth , noble, well-bred]; pragmaticus -a -um [skilled in business]; armiger -gera -gerum [bearing arms]; as subst. , m. or f., [an armor bearer] agricola -ae m. [farmer]. mercator -oris m. [a merchant , wholesale trader] causidicus -i m. [an advocate , barrister] Also Pen. means pensioner. Source. Alumni Dublineses: A Register of the Students, Graduates, Professors, and Provosts of Trinity College, In the University of Dublin. Edited by the Late George Dames Burtchaell and Thomas Ulick Sadleir. 1924 [Source: FHL # 0990388] Christina

Michael, While some might want "just the facts" --- the facts without the sources/documentation is not worth much. Patrick Callahan was baptized 5 December 1837 in Parish "X" Limerick. If you come across that fact -- without a source -- you might grab it because it fits your limited, known information. But unless you know where it came from and how close it is to the contemporary source (assumed Church Baptism Register? family Bible? family lore from Old Great Aunt Catherine?) there's no way you can know how likely it is really your family's ancestor or how accurate it is. Without good documentation of your sources, you could build your family history on "Irish mists" that might cause you to waste great amounts of time chasing/researching something that isn't really your family. Why not just go write up whatever you want for your family history then and go post it on the web and share it with your family. They'll be glad to know how many kings, horse theives and anyone else you think might embellish your family tree. ;-) Just my two cents, Jim Message: 3 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:44:28 -0400 From: "Michael McAlonie" < > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Copyright? To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV12C54D3B02E45EC46FECA5A6060@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Why don't you just post the baptisms and marriages and not say who the middle-man was. The info comes from one source, the church registers, if I am right, but can be gotten through multiple sources, right?- LDS films, heritage centres, etc.- so who will know which. Just post it and not say IFHF. I do agree though it would be nice to have some additional search parameters to make it less of a crapshoot. my 2 cents -michael

Hi Christina, Where did you get these? Someone was kind and had copied a page of Fitzgerald, John and at the moment I can't find where I put it. However when I was reading it I had a hard time figuring out which one was my John. I know that he was an Attorney and Notary Public. He was definetly an Attorney when my ggggrandmother was born in 1803. He lived in Limerick. If you have access to this could you look him up. I believe he was married in 1802 and may have been an Attorney at the time. Carla ----- Original Message ---- From: Christina Hunt <filidh@carolina.rr.com> To: LIMERICK <IRL-LIMERICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:47:38 PM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Alumni Dublineses - some Limerick names Various names from Alumni Dublineses: ARMSTRONG, Wyndham Fitzgerald, Siz: (Dungannon Sch.), June 13, 1843, aged 18; s. of John, Agricola ; b. Co. Limerick. Sch. 1846. LYSAGHT, John, Pen (Mr. DUNBAR, Dublin), Aug. 31, 1639, aged 18; eldest s. of Thomas; b. Co. Limerick. LYSAGHT, John, Pen. (Mr CHINERY, Middletown), June 14, 1718, aged 16; s. of Nicholas, Armiger; b. Co., Limerick. [1st Baron lisle.] LYSAGHT, Richard, Pen. (Mr M'GILLIGOTT), Nov. 10 1790, aged 15; s. of Thomas, Pragmaticus; b. Co. Limerick. POWELL, John, Pen. (Dr CASHIN), July 8, 1736, aged 16 ; s. of Robert, Generosus; b. Eaglestown. Co. Limerick, B.A. aest 1741. POWER, Edward Rose, Siz. Can. (self-educated), May 23, 1837, aged 20; s. of Edward Saltator; b. Limerick. RIGGS, George, Pen. (Mr CHINNERY, Middleton), May 5, 1727, aged 18; s. of George, Generosus; b. Co. Limerick. WALSH, John, Pen. (Mr TURPIN), Oct. 17, 1834, aged 20; R.C., s. of Michael, Generosus; B. Limerick. WALSH, (WELSH), John W., Pen. (P.T.), Dec. 6, 1845, aged 22; s. of John, Agricola; b. Co. Limerick. *The date is when they entered the college. A few Latin Terms: generosus -a -um [of noble birth , noble, well-bred]; pragmaticus -a -um [skilled in business]; armiger -gera -gerum [bearing arms]; as subst. , m. or f., [an armor bearer] agricola -ae m. [farmer]. mercator -oris m. [a merchant , wholesale trader] causidicus -i m. [an advocate , barrister] Also Pen. means pensioner. Source. Alumni Dublineses: A Register of the Students, Graduates, Professors, and Provosts of Trinity College, In the University of Dublin. Edited by the Late George Dames Burtchaell and Thomas Ulick Sadleir. 1924 [Source: FHL # 0990388] Christina ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robyn, We have been researching in the area of Hospital/Herbertstown and would be interested in finding out what the title is of the book that you referred to in your message regarding O'Briens. Can you recall from where you were able to get the book? The family that we have been researching is Nealon. There were a few families in the area around Hospital/Herbertstown and we suspect that our particular family had settled in the small village of Ballinscoola. Does the book cover this area at all? Any mention of Nealons in the book? Any info appreciated. -- Annette & Virginia Garner Researching: Dubuc/Dubuque, Fitzpatrick, Garner, Kemp, Kirby, Marie, Nealon, Rose, Roy/LeRoy, Toner, Weston, Zisler http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~tdgarner

Most generally speaking - James you are correct about the 'copyright' of the materials on the IFHF database. Most information that is available in the public sector if considered "public information' after 75 years. The 75 years mark is generally accepted as the end of life and the protection from privacy. With the advent of the Internet (by Al Gore) private records have lost their secracy from the Public. Most information that in older than 75 years is considered to be in the 'Public Domain." But here is the problem - if you used World Family Tree project or the Ancestry Family Tree project on Rootsweb to upload your infomation there was a disclaimer that they regained the copyright to the material on their server.The problem got to be that once you uploaded the information your lost access to the information because of copyright. My understanding - like James' - is that the format in which the data is displayed is the issue. IFHF would be free to charge a membership fee - like Ancestry.com and Genealogy.com - to recover the cost of processing the websites. However, since the Census forms are available at various sources, including on Microfilm at some local libraries and the federal government offices - these websites don't hold the copyright to the census. While the discussion might be considered mute to some people, I thought that was the reason for this discussion list. If the purpose of this discussion list is not to share information regarding the search for ancestors in County Limerick, Ireland, I must be on the wrong list. John Hannigan Florida James Castellan wrote: > IFHF can claim a copyright for the formated information in their database > that they gathered and transcribed to create it. If you pay them for some > portion of their records, you can use them for your private use. There is a > "fair use" provision of the copyright that would allow you some limited use > of limited amounts of their copyrighted records which you could share to > comment, critique, write a revue to share with others with some limited > examples, etc. > > However, no one can copyright a fact, whether of a marriage, baptism, etc. A > specific fact cannot be copyrighted. So you can take the information from > their records of the facts and write them up in your own format for your > family history and share that document with whomever you want. Indeed, you > would own a copyright on that formated version of your own family history > which nobody could legally "steal" and reuse without your permission. As > good (family) historians, you should document the source of the fact(s) > included (if you want to write good family history) noting whichever IFHF > database it was sourced from. > > What you clearly cannot do is take your IFHF record information, gather it > togerther with others' IFHF record information and share it around or > publish it on the web or on this Limerick List for free (or for payment). > That would be a clear violation of their copyright. > > I want to note that I am not a lwyer and the above isn't legal advice. It's > my statement of personal understanding about copyright restrictions. > > Jim > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <irl-limerick-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 7:09 PM > Subject: IRL-LIMERICK Digest, Vol 3, Issue 172 > > > >> Information Wanted: http://infowanted.bc.edu/ >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. kings (marilyn miller) >> 2. Re: Walsh (Kathleen Casey) >> 3. Writing to Mr. Brennan about IFHF (Jan Fortado) >> 4. !From ADMIN please read (Christina Hunt) >> 5. Hogan married Gallagher (Attn. Carol Lubbers) (Jan Fortado) >> 6. Re: [IRL-TIP] McAuliffe research Irish Family History >> Foundation (IFHF)web site (littlehouseantiques@att.net) >> 7. IFHF - RYAN / DONOVAN / McNAMARA (Paul D'Archangel) >> 8. Re: !From ADMIN please read (mike@obrienclan.com) >> 9. Copyright and Sharing IFHF records (littlehouseantiques@att.net) >> 10. Re: !From ADMIN please read (littlehouseantiques@att.net) >> 11. Re: !From ADMIN please read (JJ Woods) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:48:02 -0400 >> From: "marilyn miller" <mreed24@thejerseyshore.net> >> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] kings >> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <004201c88867$d08909b0$20c064d0@nhbc2367> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> here are my king rejects: >> >> honora king, baptism 10/16/1843 >> dunekenna, monagea, limerick >> father william; mother hana hartnett >> sponsor 1 mary king; sponsor 2 none recorded >> >> honora king, baptism 9/24/1848 >> monagea, limerick >> father bryan; mother margaret king >> sponsor 1 mgt. king; sponsor 2 none >> >> honora king, baptism 6/14/1848 >> dunekenna, monagea, limerick >> father john; mother hana. kelly >> sponsor 1 denis kelly; sponsor 2 hana. king >> >> honora king, baptism 6/16/1850 >> ballymuragh, monogea, limerick >> father michael; mother hana. shanahan >> sponsor 1 rbt. cussen; sponsor 2 mgt. shanahan >> >> honora king, baptism 8/9/1850 >> mt. catherine, pallasgreen, limerick >> father james; mother bridget finnan >> sponsor 1 mi mulcahy; sponsor 2 sa brien >> >> i have more rejects which i will share later or will send to anyone who >> asks. marilyn miller, mreed24@thejerseyshore.net >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:49:02 +1300 >> From: Kathleen Casey <CaseyKM@xtra.co.nz> >> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Walsh >> To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <47DED93E.3050203@xtra.co.nz> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> For anyone looking for Walsh: my g'mother was Catherine Walsh >> (1874-1939) but from Cty Galway so guess that's a long shot. She >> emigrated to NZ m. James Martin Casey. I have details. >> Kathleen >> NZ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:33:33 -0400 >> From: "Jan Fortado" <janfortado@comcast.net> >> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Writing to Mr. Brennan about IFHF >> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <006201c88876$8d803fd0$6501a8c0@family5q32jfmz> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Sean, thank you for that information. When I was at the genealogy >> conference >> in Boston two years ago, I spoke with one of the founders of the IFHF. I >> asked why there was no heritage center in West Cork. He talked about >> records >> being indexed and "ready to go," but there was some type of problem that >> involved politics. He told me the best way to be heard was to write to Mr. >> Brennan. >> >> So it makes sense that if we would like to see changes on the IFHF, he >> would >> be the one to write to - to at least ask for a fair fee, whether or not it >> be an annual membership fee. Pointing out the weaknesses of the site (too >> many people with the same name and/or not having the other spouse's name >> for >> the marriage record), Mr. Brennan might see that the fees are too >> expensive >> at present. >> >> Jan >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:37:46 -0400 >> From: Christina Hunt <filidh@carolina.rr.com> >> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] !From ADMIN please read >> To: LIMERICK <IRL-LIMERICK@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <2008317173746.678130@VALUED-3253602F> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I went to the IFHF website to see what their policy is on sharing the >> records >> from their website. >> The following is in their copyright section. >> Please refrain from posting any research results on the list. >> Thanks. >> Christina >> List Admin Irl-Limerick >> >> You may not otherwise copy, modify, or distribute the contents of these >> pages, >> or publish, broadcast, transmit, or otherwise distribute any portion of >> this >> site without the express written authorization of the Irish Family History >> Foundation. Any unauthorized use of this site or any content therein is >> strictly >> prohibited. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:10:25 -0400 >> From: "Jan Fortado" <janfortado@comcast.net> >> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Hogan married Gallagher (Attn. Carol Lubbers) >> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <009501c8887b$b400ded0$6501a8c0@family5q32jfmz> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> I have two Gallaghers who married a Hogan (brothers marrying sisters). >> >> In 1868 Thomas Gallagher married Mary Hogan of Spittle. They were married >> in >> the RC church of Glenroe, which was most likely HER parish. >> >> In 1869 Ellen Gallagher of Kilcruaig married Michael Hogan of Spittle in >> the >> RC parish of Ballyorgan (her parish). >> >> Jan >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:12:20 +0000 >> From: littlehouseantiques@att.net >> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] [IRL-TIP] McAuliffe research Irish Family >> History Foundation (IFHF)web site >> To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com;irl-limerick@rootsweb.com;;; >> Message-ID: >> <031720082212.26643.47DEECC30000FF130000681322230647029B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain >> >> You're a Lucky Duck Kathleen! Who was the Priest at St. Michael's who >> married your William FAUNT and Ellen LYNCH in 1863? I know who the >> curate for St. Michael's in the city of Limerick was for that time period >> is (one of my 4 SHANAHAN brothers / priests from Co Limerick that I've >> been researching --Rev. Timothy R. Shanahan [c1828-1915]) and I'm just >> curious who the priest was that married them. Would a curate have had >> anything to do w/ the marriage ceremony? (Not exactly sure what a curate's >> duties are, but gather that a curate is simply a priest who "assists" the >> PP until he receives a church of his own, or something like that anyway). >> >> Kathy Rhodes >> >> -------------- Original message from "kathlingram" >> <kathlingram@inteliport.com>: -------------- >> Like Kathy I also caught a break and found my William Faunt and Ellen >> Lynch >> marriage which I have looked for for years: >> They marry at St.Michael's Limerick 4/4 1863.I know from earlier records >> that William is a soldier so maybe he was in the Barracks here.Since they >> marry here and the first child, my ancestor Patrick is born here in 1865 I >> figured Ellen is from Limerick.Also his brother Patrick comes "home" from >> the Army to marry( Margaret Dwan from Fethard). >> >> I pulled all the age appropriate, geography appropriate ( East Limerick) >> Ellen Lynchs.EEKK! Dollars floating away.. >> I have always surmised her father is Michael.I find Ellen Lynch as >> daughter >> of Michael Lynch and Kate McAuliffe born Dec.1 4, 1843 in Rockhill/Bruree. >> >> So I think this is them. My Faunt/Fant line is often clustered either in >> Fethard Tipp or the Kilmallock and Galbally area. >> >> I find very little about McAuliffe family though.. >> >> Anyone else have this family? >> Happy St.Pat's >> Kathleen Ingram >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:19:04 -0400 (EDT) >> From: "Paul D'Archangel" <cutis181@lycos.com> >> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] IFHF - RYAN / DONOVAN / McNAMARA >> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: >> <20080317181904.HM.0000000000001JJ@cutis181.bos-mail-wwl20.lycos.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:04:02 -0700 >> From: <mike@obrienclan.com> >> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] !From ADMIN please read >> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <001601c8887a$cf498a30$0a00a8c0@OBRIENM> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> I would guess that since you paid for the information you have, it becomes >> your property to do as you please making their copyright void as long as >> you >> don't try to re-sell their information, which we are not doing here. >> >> Mike >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Christina Hunt" <filidh@carolina.rr.com> >> To: "LIMERICK" <IRL-LIMERICK@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 2:37 PM >> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] !From ADMIN please read >> >> >> >>> I went to the IFHF website to see what their policy is on sharing the >>> records >>> from their website. >>> The following is in their copyright section. >>> Please refrain from posting any research results on the list. >>> Thanks. >>> Christina >>> List Admin Irl-Limerick >>> >>> You may not otherwise copy, modify, or distribute the contents of these >>> pages, >>> or publish, broadcast, transmit, or otherwise distribute any portion of >>> this >>> site without the express written authorization of the Irish Family >>> History >>> Foundation. Any unauthorized use of this site or any content therein is >>> strictly >>> prohibited. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:45:10 +0000 >> From: littlehouseantiques@att.net >> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Copyright and Sharing IFHF records >> To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <031720082245.16579.47DEF475000A0C3C000040C322230647029B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain >> >> Christina, I can't fault you for taking the responsible legal postition >> here and feel you are exactly correct in doing so (but I do so wish you >> hadn't!) Might I suggest that contact be made with the IFHF and that the >> Limerick Mailing List try to obtain the "express written authorization" >> that would make it legal and above board for us to 'share' with the List >> Members the records THAT WE HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR???? They might say no, >> but it wouldn't hurt to ask, would it? >> >> Also, should the IFHF deny the request to grant the Limerick Mailing List >> "express written authorization" to share the records we obtain from them >> with the List, would you have any problems with list members posting to >> the List the surnames for records THAT WE HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR and >> inviting others who are researching those surnames to contact us OFF LIST? >> >> Kathy Rhodes >> >> -------------- Original message from Christina Hunt >> <filidh@carolina.rr.com>: -------------- >> I went to the IFHF website to see what their policy is on sharing the >> records >> from their website. >> The following is in their copyright section. >> Please refrain from posting any research results on the list. >> Thanks. >> Christina >> List Admin Irl-Limerick >> >> You may not otherwise copy, modify, or distribute the contents of these >> pages, >> or publish, broadcast, transmit, or otherwise distribute any portion of >> this >> site without the express written authorization of the Irish Family History >> Foundation. Any unauthorized use of this site or any content therein is >> strictly >> prohibited. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:58:49 +0000 >> From: littlehouseantiques@att.net >> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] !From ADMIN please read >> To: mike@obrienclan.com, irl-limerick@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <031720082258.692.47DEF7A8000D5CFD000002B422230647029B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain >> >> You assume erroneously that once you pay for information that it becomes >> 'your' property. >> You also assume incorrectly that you are not violating copyright law if >> you do not re-sell >> the information. By sharing the information (even though YOU paid for it) >> you are denying >> income to the person (or in this case company or corporation) who would >> have MADE >> money had you not provided it to others for FREE, so you see, even if you >> do not sell it >> you have, in fact, violated copyright law. There is NO way around this >> legally unless the >> Mailing List applys for and receives written permisson from the copyright >> owner (IFHF). >> >> Kathy Rhodes >> -------------- Original message from <mike@obrienclan.com>: -------------- >> I would guess that since you paid for the information you have, it becomes >> your property to do as you please making their copyright void as long as >> you >> don't try to re-sell their information, which we are not doing here. >> >> Mike >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:08:47 +0000 >> From: "JJ Woods" <woodsjj@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] !From ADMIN please read >> To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <324e51970803171608j4077d0cq7fd3789908e26047@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> To my mind the information is not theirs (IFHF) to copyright! Do the >> descendants of those named not have a right to the information about their >> ancestors and which the IFHF are selling in order to make a profit? >> >> Again, to my mind, the only claim to copyright that the IFHF can make is >> in >> the unique manner or format of the presentation of this information and >> NOT >> the information itself. >> >> Who owns the information anyway? Surely not the IFHF! >> >> >> >> On 17/03/2008, littlehouseantiques@att.net <littlehouseantiques@att.net> >> wrote: >> >>> You assume erroneously that once you pay for information that it becomes >>> 'your' property. >>> You also assume incorrectly that you are not violating copyright law if >>> you do not re-sell >>> the information. By sharing the information (even though YOU paid for >>> it) >>> you are denying >>> income to the person (or in this case company or corporation) who would >>> have MADE >>> money had you not provided it to others for FREE, so you see, even if you >>> do not sell it >>> you have, in fact, violated copyright law. There is NO way around this >>> legally unless the >>> Mailing List applys for and receives written permisson from the copyright >>> owner (IFHF). >>> >>> Kathy Rhodes >>> -------------- Original message from >>> <mike@obrienclan.com>: -------------- >>> I would guess that since you paid for the information you have, it >>> becomes >>> your property to do as you please making their copyright void as long as >>> you >>> don't try to re-sell their information, which we are not doing here. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the IRL-LIMERICK list administrator, send an email to >> IRL-LIMERICK-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the IRL-LIMERICK mailing list, send an email to >> IRL-LIMERICK@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of IRL-LIMERICK Digest, Vol 3, Issue 172 >> ******************************************** >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >