Tom It must be quite common for events outside of the Parish to be entered in Church registers. My parents were married in England, but when I received a copy of my father's baptism certificate from his church in Ireland, the marriage had been entered onto his baptism certificate. Moira On 20 Mar 2008, at 13:08, Tom LaPorte wrote: > I just wanted to point out that that particular weirdness is actually > also found in the registers themselves. If someone married or had a > child baptized in a parish other than their own, the second parish > would > sometimes, depending on the particular church officials involved, > notify > the first parish of the event and the event would then get entered in > both registers. The "home" parish for the person would enter it in > their own register as occurring in the other parish. I know of > several > entries in the Limerick Genealogy database which refer to events in > Cork > and I'm quite glad they do as it documents the family link between the > two locations. I'm as critical as any body about the quality and > incompleteness of the data and the fees that they charge but on this > particular point, the comment is neither accurate nor fair. > > Tom > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:35:25 +0000 > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] IFHF Database "weirdness" to watch out for > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > > <032020080235.29872.47E1CD6D000103C6000074B022218865869B0A02D29B9B0EBF > 9C > 0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > List, > > Be aware that the IFHF database does some pretty flipped out stuff! > > You know when you use this site you have to initally click on the > map to > go to what ever particular County you want to search, right? So one > would assume that if you are researching in County Limerick that the > ONLY records you'd get back are ones actually in County > Limerick....but > sad to say this is NOT true. > > For example, click on Co Limerick and then do a search for > Birth Records > HANNIGAN, Catherine, 1845 +/- 4 years and it brings back > 6 records - 3 of which are in County Cork!!!!! > > So what's up with that?? It's totally weird and they've obviously got > some "bugs" to work out! > > Kathy Rhodes > > ------------------------------ > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Not mine !Alas !but maybe someone else can use these Shea/Farrells (no other info on the records) One marriage and three baptisms Maria Farrell married David Burns March 3 1835 Kilfinnane wit. John Sheehy and Maria Sheehy Mary Shea dau Patrick Shea and Johanna Madigan,bap August 4 1842 Newcastle West one witness not recorded other Mgt. Healy Mary Shea dau David Shea and Sara Foley b. April 26 1844 Askeaton wit: Patrick Foley and Cath Foley Michael Sheason Thomas Shea and Maria Fitzgerald b. March 28 1846 Manister wit Thomas Nunan and Bridget Shea Good luck! Maureen in Southern California Researching Michael Shea and Mary Farrell m. Co Limerick ca 1835/1840 Mary Shea b. ca 1843 and Michael ca 1846

From Alumni Dublineses: CARROLL, David, Pen. (Mr GAYER), May 7, 1827, aged 16; R.C. s. of John Nuper Mercator; b. Co. Limerick. CARROLL, John, Pen. (his father), June 6, 1791, aged 18; s. of James, Paedagogus; b. Limerick. CARROLL, (CARROL), John, Siz. (Mr BUCKLEY), June 17, 1794, aged 21; R.C. s. of John Agricola; B. Co. Limerick. CARROLL, Robert, Pen. (Mr. JONES, Dublin), July 13, 1698, aged 18; s. of Anthony, Generosus; b. Co. Limerick. *The date is when they entered the college. Latin Terms: generosus -a -um [of noble birth , noble, well-bred]; agricola -ae m. [farmer]. mercator -oris m. [a merchant , wholesale trader] Also Pen. means pensioner. Source. Alumni Dublineses: A Register of the Students, Graduates, Professors, and Provosts of Trinity College, In the University of Dublin. Edited by the Late George Dames Burtchaell and Thomas Ulick Sadleir. 1924 [Source: FHL # 0990388] Christina

I have written to IFHF for clarification as to whether they will allow postings to a list. We are not strictly speaking a website. I would guess they are going to be okay with that so you can post unless I hear otherwise. Thanks to Kathy for contacting them. Regards, Christina IRL-Limerick list admin

Regarding the information from Kathy: "Received a reply from the IFHF about whether or not it is allowed under their stated copyright notice to quote them as a source in a PERSONAL web site. Answer is YES!!! Notice that their only caveat is that the site must be PERSONAL and that it must not CHARGE FEES to access the information." So quote away fellow listers and rest assured that you are not violating anyone's copyright! What about those of us Listers who do not have Personal web sites? I guess this means that we will not be able to share that information with each other on this List? What a shame. I was hoping someone would post their information from IFHF and I just might find people I was looking for, and vice versa. Kitty **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

Will get back to you soon. Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverley Rodan" <bevrodan@iinet.net.au> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 7:24 AM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Book of Hospital > Hi Robyn, > Is it possible to look in your book of Hospital for the names > HENNEBERY (or equivalent), CONWAY, MAHAR or HOURIGAN in the book of > Hospital. I have a record of birth of Peter HOURIGAN, 27 Jun 1865, > son of Richard HOURIGAN and Bridget nee CONWAY. I think I have found > the HOURIGAN family in Shronell parish, townland of Ballinglanna. > This is near Hospital. The Conway, Mahar and Hennebery family may be > from the Hospital area. > Thankyou for your help. > Bev Rodan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I know without looking that Canty is in the book, but I will get back to you soon, Easter is taking my time at present. Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Murphy" <emurphy@netconnect.com.au> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 10:06 AM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Book of Hospital > Hi > Could you please check if there is any mention of CANTY in the Hospital > Book. > > Regards > Elaine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- From: "John McAllister" <rjmcallister@optusnet.com.au> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] McAllister history -Limerick city-some help oradvice please. > Greetings to Cathy,Christina,and any other good hearted readers; > I am from Melbourne Australia and trying to find McAllister history > ,Limerick, in general, and of one PATRICK McALLISTER,in particular. > Patrick McAllister was a hatter in Limerick city;his wife/partner was a > Mary Flaherty. > They had three children--Joan (8/1807;Mary (1/1809) JAMES( 2/1813). > Baptism cert. for James shows he was baptised 13/2/1813 St.Marys Parish > Diocese of Limerick,parents as stated and sponsors James Dwyer,Mary > Nestor. James married Ellen Clohessy 10/1837 and both then came to > Australia. > Can anyone help me with ideas/information concerning where PATRICK > McALLISTER or when born and/or death. > Any information/advice would be gratefully received. > John McAllister (rjmcallister@optusnet.com.au) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John, Re Parish Priest and local records. Just for your information, I contributed to a poor box, instead of a personal payment to the Priest, this was his wish. BUT he couldn't find even a mention of my requested surname TRISTRAM in his Registers. I knew the family had been born there and when, they were Church of Ireland and had other relatives in the same area with the same surname. No sight of any of them. I kept in contact for about three months, asking if he could just check this book and that Parish and eventually gave up, as my pockets were empty. It seems the only thorough and complete search, is to do it oneself........and for many this is possible it seems, but for those like myself over the pond in Australia and unable to travel, one has to rely on the wonderful help of others....I can't even borrow LDS films relating to some parts of Ireland, told not available in Australia! Well that's my whinge....on with the search. Robyn N.S.W. Australia

Mitchelstown Co Cork,registration district includes part of SE Limerick.The parishes of Freemount and Charleville,both in the Cork diocese of Cloyne have some county Limerick townlands. ----- Original Message ----- From: <littlehouseantiques@att.net> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 2:35 AM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] IFHF Database "weirdness" to watch out for > List, > > Be aware that the IFHF database does some pretty flipped out stuff! > > You know when you use this site you have to initally click on the map to > go to what ever particular County you want to search, right? So one would > assume that if you are researching in County Limerick that the ONLY > records you'd get back are ones actually in County Limerick....but sad to > say this is NOT true. > > For example, click on Co Limerick and then do a search for > Birth Records > HANNIGAN, Catherine, 1845 +/- 4 years and it brings back > 6 records - 3 of which are in County Cork!!!!! > > So what's up with that?? It's totally weird and they've obviously got > some "bugs" to work out! > > Kathy Rhodes > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Could you please check if there is any mention of CANTY in the Hospital Book. Regards Elaine

Latin: Help please: I have a relative with a Latin entry in a marriage register, the date is Julia 23 1826 and a family member insists that in English the date is 23 June. Would it not be more likely to be July? TIA Ron

Kathy, it is possible that a parish extends into another county, and that is probably what you are seeing happening. Janet On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 2:35 AM, <littlehouseantiques@att.net> wrote: > List, > > Be aware that the IFHF database does some pretty flipped out stuff! > > You know when you use this site you have to initally click on the map to go to what ever particular County you want to search, right? So one would assume that if you are researching in County Limerick that the ONLY records you'd get back are ones actually in County Limerick....but sad to say this is NOT true. > > For example, click on Co Limerick and then do a search for > Birth Records > HANNIGAN, Catherine, 1845 +/- 4 years and it brings back > 6 records - 3 of which are in County Cork!!!!! > > So what's up with that?? It's totally weird and they've obviously got some "bugs" to work out! > > Kathy Rhodes

Hi Robyn, Is it possible to look in your book of Hospital for the names HENNEBERY (or equivalent), CONWAY, MAHAR or HOURIGAN in the book of Hospital. I have a record of birth of Peter HOURIGAN, 27 Jun 1865, son of Richard HOURIGAN and Bridget nee CONWAY. I think I have found the HOURIGAN family in Shronell parish, townland of Ballinglanna. This is near Hospital. The Conway, Mahar and Hennebery family may be from the Hospital area. Thankyou for your help. Bev Rodan

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I just wanted to point out that that particular weirdness is actually also found in the registers themselves. If someone married or had a child baptized in a parish other than their own, the second parish would sometimes, depending on the particular church officials involved, notify the first parish of the event and the event would then get entered in both registers. The "home" parish for the person would enter it in their own register as occurring in the other parish. I know of several entries in the Limerick Genealogy database which refer to events in Cork and I'm quite glad they do as it documents the family link between the two locations. I'm as critical as any body about the quality and incompleteness of the data and the fees that they charge but on this particular point, the comment is neither accurate nor fair. Tom -------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:35:25 +0000 From: littlehouseantiques@att.net Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] IFHF Database "weirdness" to watch out for To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <032020080235.29872.47E1CD6D000103C6000074B022218865869B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C 0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain List, Be aware that the IFHF database does some pretty flipped out stuff! You know when you use this site you have to initally click on the map to go to what ever particular County you want to search, right? So one would assume that if you are researching in County Limerick that the ONLY records you'd get back are ones actually in County Limerick....but sad to say this is NOT true. For example, click on Co Limerick and then do a search for Birth Records HANNIGAN, Catherine, 1845 +/- 4 years and it brings back 6 records - 3 of which are in County Cork!!!!! So what's up with that?? It's totally weird and they've obviously got some "bugs" to work out! Kathy Rhodes ------------------------------

>For example, click on Co Limerick and then do a search for >Birth Records >HANNIGAN, Catherine, 1845 +/- 4 years and it brings back >6 records - 3 of which are in County Cork!!!!! >So what's up with that?? That is because bits of registration districts and church parishes occasionally cross county lines.? For instance the Limerick Registration district will pull in bits of Co. Clare, the Mitchellstown registration district (in Co. Cork) will pull in bits of Co. Limerick, the Clonmel district in Co. Tipp pulls in bits of Co. Waterford and so on.? For instance, that Abington parish in Limerick will pull in people I know to have lived in Co. Tipperary, since the parish crossed the county borders.? Check to see which parish Catherine was from and it's possible it was a church parish that covered bits of both Limerick and Cork. Cindy

Hi Anita, Could you email me off list so we can trade notes about the Kearny family? Thanks, Liz, Yarmouth Maine juliegoolyyarmouth at yahoo dot com Mrs Anita Mitchell <Heradale@bigpond.com> wrote: Hi folks, Because the above names have been mentioned of late, I thought I would post my Limerick connections. I have Patrick Murphy, born approx1814 Doon, Limerick to Thomas Murphy and Margaret Sullivan. Thomas married a widow Ellen Nichols nee Cormick/ McCormack who was born Limerick 1818 and married 3 rd March 1845,Catholic Church, county of Murroe, Limerick Ellen's parents were Michael Cormick/McCormack and Margaret Mahoney One of Patrick Murphy and Ellen Cormick's daughter's Ellen ,married John O'halloran/Hallinan/Halloran in Australia. Family history tells us that the couple knew each other in Ireland, although the Halloran's came from Tipperary.(Killan) John O'Halloran's grandmother was Alice Kearney. Regards, Anita ----------------- Eircom Phone Book http://www.eircomphonebook.ie/displayhome.ds ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

List, Be aware that the IFHF database does some pretty flipped out stuff! You know when you use this site you have to initally click on the map to go to what ever particular County you want to search, right? So one would assume that if you are researching in County Limerick that the ONLY records you'd get back are ones actually in County Limerick....but sad to say this is NOT true. For example, click on Co Limerick and then do a search for Birth Records HANNIGAN, Catherine, 1845 +/- 4 years and it brings back 6 records - 3 of which are in County Cork!!!!! So what's up with that?? It's totally weird and they've obviously got some "bugs" to work out! Kathy Rhodes

John, Can't speak as to what it is like in Ireland but in NYC parish priests don't normally take well to vague requests such as "can you look up all Hannigan births in your parish?" Usually they want a given name and a date (or at least a limited date range). What date range would you give in your case? You've got a birth rec for Patrick Hannigan of 1838 and no idea where in the birth order he falls. For the sake of argument lets assume his mother married at abt age 20 and therefore could in all liklihood bear children for the next 20 years--since you don't know when she married or what birth order of children is you'd have to search for 20 years on either side of Patrick's DOB (1838) or in other words from 1818-1858. So let's use the databases at the IFHF and do that--and find all the Hannigans who were born and baptised in Bulgaden Parish during that time period. 1st pull all Hannigans (any spelling) in Co Limerick; you get 399 - ranging from 1758 and onwards (note it won't show you all 399 rather just the first 10 but they are the first 10 in date order so at least you know how far back these recs go but you don't know where they end) but that's okay, we've got a range to check so now we are gonna do that beginning with 1818 (you can really skip this step and just start looking for Hannigans with your date range, but I like to check because you might catch a break and find that for the date range you are researching that they don't even have recs back to 1818 so it would save some steps to know this before you start going in year by year) This is NOT the case for this example though as they've got recs all the way back to 1758 so I'm going to have to check each and every year in the range. 2nd Plug in surname Hannigan (leave given name blank) and plug in first year of your range. Now copy what comes up for the first year. For example for 1818 there are two; for 1819 there are 4, etc. When you finish doing this for the range 1818-1858 you end up with 187 records. WHY do you have to do this? BECAUSE YOU NEED THE GIVEN NAME of EACH Hannigan in order to search by Parish. The IFHF site will not let you do a parish search withOUT having a GIVEN name; it also will not do any 'variant' matching on given names, i.e. if you enter William and the record is actually out there under Wm. then it will NOT find the record. 3rd take these 187 recs and throw them into a word processing program (MS Word or whatever you've got) and SORT them alphabetically. This will group all the different ways the surname is spelled and then within that will group all of the given names that are the same together--they'll be out of date order but this will make the next step easier. 4th ONE at a time enter the EXACT surname spelling the EXACT given name and set the parish parameter to the one you are researching (in this case BULGADEN) and check your list and enter the YEAR for that entry. Working your way through our list of 187 Hannigans you'll eventually find that there are only 13 that took place in the Parish of Bulgaden and they are: Baptism Hannigan Alice 1840 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Joh. 1818 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan John 1845 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan John 1845 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Kate 1836 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Kate 1837 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Kate 1847 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Maria 1841 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Michael 1842 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Patk. 1838 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Patk. 1838 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Patk. 1843 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN Baptism Hannigan Thady 1842 Co. Limerick Parish: BULGADEN NOW, go to that parish priest and ask him to look these up for ya! You won't be wasting his time and it will be easier for him to find what he is looking for armed with both NAMES and DATES. Or plunk down your 65 Euros and see them online :-( (you know you will have to send "contribution" to the PP for these recs right? don't know what the "expected" amount is though--maybe less than 65 Euro? maybe more???) Kathy Rhodes -- Original message from Hannigan Family Research research@hannigangenealogy.us>: -- I appreciate the help in tracking down these records. My next step will be to get the specific record and contact the parish priest to see if he can provide additional help. Has anyone on the list been successful in a parish priest providing copies of records? Are they just recorded in a logbook register or are they actual certificates that provide additional information? I assume that contacting the parish priest at Bulgaden would be a logical step to see if there were other siblings. Thanks again for the help. John Hannigan Florida