Members of the Limerick Guild of Smiths' as published in the Freeman's Journal on October 21 1840 Ahern, Thomas Boyle, Wm. Connell, Benjamin Corbett, Michael Daly, Wm. Everett, John Halpin, Michael Hart, Patrick Hayes, Michael Houlehan, Michael Houlehan, Thomas Humphrys, John Keogh, Wm. Kidney, James King, Patrick Lennan, Patrick Lonigan, Mark Loughlin, Denis Lynch, John Maher, James Mara, Daniel M'Carthy, Patrick M'Enery, Michael M'Evoy, Thomas Mulcahy, W. Murphy, John O'Brien, Patrick O'Brien, Michael O'Brien, Cornelius O'Connor, Michael O'Keeffe, Arthur Punch, John Ryan, James Wall, Edward Walsh, John Ward, Michael Additional text from article which PROCEEDED the above list of names: Guild of Smiths, Limerick. -- Mr. Thomas Ahern, secretary of the guild of smiths, Limerick in forwarding the subscription of that guild, says: --I send you, as our first instalment, the names and subscription of forty staunch Repealers, the most of whom have been reduced from a state of independence (as well paid mechanics) to the verge of pauperism, by the baneful effects of the miscalled act of Union. I am not old enough to recollect the passing of that measure, yet I feel to the present day its blighting effects. At the death of my father I was apprenticed, in 1817, to Mr. Philip Doyle, proprietor of the then Hibernian foundry, who had in his employment forty-three men and boys, working at the various branches connected with our trade, many of which are totally annihilated, as also this concern, by the Repeal (not of the act of Union) but the duty on English and Scotch hardware. About the year 1821 Mr. John James Doyle kept the Limerick foundry, where forty men and boys got employement, but now I regret, he is not able to employ four. Mr. David Spowart kept the Caledonian foundry in this city, where thirty men and boys got employment, but not being able to compete with our English and Scotch duty free neighbours (as to prices), he has long since shared the fate of my master. Our city is now reduced to one foundry, and the name of two, Mr. Thomas Newsom kept an extensive house, smith's shop, in this city, in which thirty-two men and boys got employment, and at one branch alone (bright grate making) eight smiths and two brass founders were constantly employed (though many more worked in other shops in the town); that beutiful and servicable article has been suppressed by the English and Scotch metal grate, there not being a single bright grate made in Limerick for the last two years. In the same concern there were six men constantly employed, and about twenty more in their own and other shops; now there is not work for a single man in the city, unless now and again repairing almost stuck together English locks. And here let it be understood that all the articles in the hardware line imported are duty free, as, for instance, the freight of a ton of manufactured English or Scotch hardware is only the same as that on a ton of raw or unwrought bar iron, or steel, thus giving a preponderating influence to those articles in this or any other market, and laying the Irish workman under corresponding disadvantages. Wroght iron safes, a lucrative branch of our trade, by which many in this and other concerns were employed, has almost given way to English and Scotch cast iron safes. This concern has long since disappeared, and its owner, and may of the workmen, obliged to seek bread far from the city of their birth. Beam-making, a lucrative and scientific branch of our trade, has almost given way to the English beams. Wrought iron verandahs and balconys, that gave work to the more tasteful portion of our smiths, is fast giving way to the English and Scotch manufacture, as are also the following articles: wind-up and smoke jacks, that gave employment to many in our city; fire irons, that gave work to many in our city; joint-hinge making, in all its diversified branches; saddle-tree riveting, edged tool making, file cuting, sheet iron work, in its varied shapes. I could enumerate may more brances of our trade that are almost annihilated, but knowing I have trespassed too long, I conclude by asking to what is this awful decline of trade attributable? Not to the want of tact of talent as mechanics, for let it be perfectly understood that there are many among us that never left Limerick able to manufacture each and every article I have enumeratedas well as our English or Scotch neighbours; nay more, they being confined to one particular branch, while the Irish artizan is, of necessity, obliged to be familiar with and to perform all. VIOLATED TREATY? None but God alone, who has raised up a second Moses in the person of Daniel O'Connell, to free us from our worse than Eqyptian slavery, aided by a religious, brave, and, thank Heaven, temperate people, to make a long pull, a strong pull, and a pull togther to repeal that Castlereagh suicidal impost, the act of Union. Please propose me and Mr. Patrick M'Carthy as members of the association, and the following as associates:--

SCRATCH the Guild List of SMITHS guys. Haste makes waste and it contains some errors, regrettably all mine. Will send correction soon. Kathy Rhodes -------------- Original message from littlehouseantiques@att.net: -------------- Members of the Limerick Guild of Smiths' as published in the Freeman's Journal on October 21, 1840 Ahern, Thomas <snip!!!!>

The names you have published as being listed in the Newspaper, I have enjoyed very much. Now, I wonder, did they all live in Dublin? MARIE

Members of the Limerick Guild of Smiths' as published in the Freeman's Journal on October 21, 1840 Ahern, Thomas Boyle, Patrick Connell, John Corbett, Arthur Daly, Patrick Everett, Michael Halpin, Daniel Hart, James Hayes, John Houlehan, W. Houlehan, James Humphrys, Thomas Keogh, Denis Kidney, John King, Patrick Lennan, Michael Lonigan, Wm. Loughlin, Michael Lynce, Patrick Maher, Wm. Mara, Michael M'Carthy, Cornelius M'Carthy, Patrick M'Enery, Michael M'Evoy, Patrick Mulcahy, Mark Murphy, Wm. O'Brien, Benjamin O'Brien, John O'Brien, Michael O'Connor, John O'Keeffe, Edward Punch, James Ryan, John Wall, Michael Walsh, Michael Ward, Thomas NOTE: I've extracted the names from this newpaper article and alphabatized them by surname within each guild, they were NOT listed in this manner in the original newspaper article. Below is the additional text from the article as submitted by Mr. Thomas Ahern, secretary of the Limerick Guild of Smiths' : Guild of Smiths, Limerick. -- Mr. Thomas Ahern, secretary of the guild of smiths, Limerick in forwarding the subscription of that guild, says: --I send you, as our first instalment, the names and subscription of forty staunch Repealers, the most of whom have been reduced from a state of independence (as well paid mechanics) to the verge of pauperism, by the baneful effects of the miscalled act of Union. I am not old enough to recollect the passing of that measure, yet I feel to the present day its blighting effects. At the death of my father I was apprenticed, in 1817, to Mr. Philip Doyle, proprietor of the then Hibernian foundry, who had in his employment forty-three men and boys, working at the various branches connected with our trade, many of which are totally annihilated, as also this concern, by the Repeal (not of the act of Union) but the duty on English and Scotch hardware. About the year 1821 Mr. John James Doyle kept the Limerick foundry, where forty men and boys got employement, but now I regret, he is not able to employ four. Mr. David Spowart kept the Caledonian foundry in this city, where thirty men and boys got employment, but not being able to compete with our English and Scotch duty free neighbours (as to prices), he has long since shared the fate of my master. Our city is now reduced to one foundry, and the name of two, Mr. Thomas Newsom kept an extensive house, smith's shop, in this city, in which thirty-two men and boys got employment, and at one branch alone (bright grate making) eight smiths and two brass founders were constantly employed (though many more worked in other shops in the town); that beutiful and servicable article has been suppressed by the English and Scotch metal grate, there not being a single bright grate made in Limerick for the last two years. In the same concern there were six men constantly employed, and about twenty more in their own and other shops; now there is not work for a single man in the city, unless now and again repairing almost stuck together English locks. And here let it be understood that all the articles in the hardware line imported are duty free, as, for instance, the freight of a ton of manufactured English or Scotch hardware is only the same as that on a ton of raw or unwrought bar iron, or steel, thus giving a preponderating influence to those articles in this or any other market, and laying the Irish workman under corresponding disadvantages. Wroght iron safes, a lucrative branch of our trade, by which many in this and other concerns were employed, has almost given way to English and Scotch cast iron safes. This concern has long since disappeared, and its owner, and may of the workmen, obliged to seek bread far from the city of their birth. Beam-making, a lucrative and scientific branch of our trade, has almost given way to the English beams. Wrought iron verandahs and balconys, that gave work to the more tasteful portion of our smiths, is fast giving way to the English and Scotch manufacture, as are also the following articles: wind-up and smoke jacks, that gave employment to many in our city; fire irons, that gave work to many in our city; joint-hinge making, in all its diversified branches; saddle-tree riveting, edged tool making, file cuting, sheet iron work, in its varied shapes. I could enumerate may more brances of our trade that are almost annihilated, but knowing I have trespassed too long, I conclude by asking to what is this awful decline of trade attributable? Not to the want of tact of talent as mechanics, for let it be perfectly understood that there are many among us that never left Limerick able to manufacture each and every article I have enumeratedas well as our English or Scotch neighbours; nay more, they being confined to one particular branch, while the Irish artizan is, of necessity, obliged to be familiar with and to perform all. VIOLATED TREATY? None but God alone, who has raised up a second Moses in the person of Daniel O'Connell, to free us from our worse than Eqyptian slavery, aided by a religious, brave, and, thank Heaven, temperate people, to make a long pull, a strong pull, and a pull togther to repeal that Castlereagh suicidal impost, the act of Union. Please propose me and Mr. Patrick M'Carthy as members of the association, and the following as associates:-- [list of names followed here in original article]. Submitted by Kathy Rhodes 22 Mar 2008

You might look at the following which has a lot of useful information on the British (including many Irish) in India: http://www.fibis.org/ -- Regards Nick /Home/ http://members.iinet.net.au/~nickred/ <http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Enickred/> /Sites managed/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~registryofdeeds/index.html <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Eregistryofdeeds/index.html> http://www.igrsoc.org/index.htm http://members.iinet.net.au/~nickred/majuratennis/ <http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Enickred/majuratennis/>

Members of the Limerick Guild of Cabinet-makers' as published in the Freeman's Journal on October 21, 1840 Barclay, Michael Bourke, R. Burke, James Burke, Michael Clarke, Thomas Clooney, John Clooney, Michael Coghlan, Jun., Michael Coghlan, Michael Colanan, Edward Colein, Chr. Conners, Richard Conners, Timothy Conners, Simon Connery, Jeremiah Connolly, Edward Connolly, John Corrig, John Evans, Nathaniel Eyres, James Farrell, David Forward, Thomas Goggin, John Kearney, Denis Lynch, James Lynch, Michael Lynch, John Lyons, Philip Mangan, John M'Donald, John Mulready, James Mulready, James Mulready, Jun., James Murphy, Timothy Murphy, Michael Murphy, James O'Brien, Michael O'Brien, James O'Loughlin, B. Pelican, James Quinlan, Michael Renedy, Jeremiah Ryan, James Sarstield, Philip Scales, John Shaughnessy, John Sheedy, Michael Skiddy, Edward Smith, George Sweeny, Stephen Tyrrell, Henry Tyrrell, James Wallace, Michael Wallace, John Waller, Joseph Walsh, Arthur Guild of Smiths coming up next! Kathy Rhodes

Nancy, know how you feel!! But rather than completely waste the money why not contribute your 'rejects' here to the list (if they are Limerick records?) so that others may perhaps benefit? BTW I am transcribing the names from the Limerick Guild lists and believe there is at least one HINCHY from the 1840 Freeman's Journal article we've been discussin. Will post very soon, so watch for it. Kathy Rhodes -------------- Original message from Nancy <fandnh1@patmedia.net>: -------------- I just went through 40 euro and at 5 euro a pop and found nothing for my Hinchy's . I just isn't worth it Nancy

Keep it up Kathy and thanks. I originally mentioned the newspaper article as I found my ancestor and his brother listed in the list of Broguemakers in the newspaper. However, neither was listed in the Limerick tradesmen directory online. Some people always find something to criticize when others try to help out. Tom

John, thanks for the information.?? Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: John Walton <vabre1@optusnet.com.au> To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 4:31 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Ramage family Carolyn, During 1848-1864 Griffith's Valuation there were no Ramage's in Limerick. There were however the following Ramage's in all of Ireland. Andrew, Londonderry/Derry, Civili Parish Macosquin,T/L Dromore. Isaac, Londonderry/Derry, Civil Parish Tamlaght Finlagan, T/L Shanreagh. Isaac, Londonderry/Derry, Civil Parish Tamlaght Finlagan, T/L Tamlaght. John, Londonderry/Derry, Macosquin, T/L Dromore. Lockart, Westmeath, Civil Parish Delvin, T/L Clonmaskill. Lockart, Westmeath, Civil Parish Killucan, T/L Craddanstown. Mary, Antrim, Civil Parish Ballintoy, T/L Ballinlea Lower. John...Sydney Carolyn wrote>>>>>> > Can anyone tell me if there are any Ramage's listed any where in > Limerick?? My ancestor William Ramage was born around Adare in 1753.? > Parents unknown.?? Anything would help.? Thanks, Carolyn > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

mchicoine@linkline.com writes: > I obtained the parish through a lucky ad placed by one of the brothers in > the > "Missing Friends" database. Is this database online somewhere? ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

Click on the link http://infowanted.bc.edu/ that is at the top of the Limerick list for some reason and it will take you to the Missing Friends data base. > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:45:47 EDT > From: JoForLife@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] IFHF value or not - depends on how you > search > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c34.2bb973b6.3516addb@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > mchicoine@linkline.com writes: > >> I obtained the parish through a lucky ad placed by one of the brothers in >> the >> "Missing Friends" database. > > > Is this database online somewhere? > >

Hi I tried to access i even copied and pasted it i get internet exploer cannot access web page ? Kind regards jean Ps does any one know how to fix this problem its not the first time its happened. On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Carla Johnson <csj0767@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Hi, > > If you guys want to see an awesome cemetery web page go to > www.ims.ogdencity.com/cemetery. > This is where some of my husbands family is buried. It was just the names, > dob, dod, parents, spouse, plot when I first started looking at it. Now you > can click on the plot number and it will show on the map where it is. If you > keep clicking on the area that they are buried at eventually you get not > only their name but everyone else around them. > > Carla > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Kind regards Jean

from Elaine The American Heritage® Dictionary perpetuity (n.) The quality or condition of being perpetual:"The perpetuity of the Church was an article of faith" (Morris L. West) perpetuity (n.) Time without end; eternity. perpetuity (n.) The condition of an estate that is limited so as to be inalienable either perpetually or longer than the period determined by law. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <maryln61@sbcglobal.net> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Irish Cemeteries / Burial Plots / In Perpetuity???

Also military sites with a history of British army in India interests. Macha -----Original Message----- From: irl-limerick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-limerick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BILL BRADEN-BROWN Sent: Saturday, 22 March 2008 10:54 a.m. To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Searching for O'Conno'sr from Limerick 1845 aprox. A Good day to all , I am trying to locate any family descendents of any siblings of my great grandfather a Charles Michael O'Connor. I know the information I have is close to being non existant, and this is the last brick wall of 163 years to knock down ,and that I don't have much hope of finding a common name as O'Connor in Limerick. I could do with some help though in this area research of O'Connor.& would be very grateful for any pointers in the right direction please. "Seminaries "in the Limerick area & may be indication of Teachers colleges etc? All that information that I have for Charles Michael O'Connor coming from Ireland , is in an early letter written by Sultana (his wife)to one of her grandchildren who wrote:-that he came from Limerick Ireland,Charles Michael O'Connor was born in 1845 Est. , in Limerick he was the son of a John O'Connor Of Limerick.John's wife's names are unknown. Family stories have it that he had a brother ( forename unknown ) who became an R.C. Priest ,and a sister (forename unknown) who became a school teacher. What is known is that Charles Michael O'Connor joined up with the ,East Indian Railway Company.may be in Dublin or in London and was appointed in February 1867.When in January1871 he was a Supervisor Machine Sawyer in the East Indian Railway Company .Wagon dept at Howrah .Bengal India. after 1872 he was shown as being employed as a Supervisor in the Public Works Dept at Howrah . India. Charles Michael O'Connor married a Sultana Elizabeth Esaw.on 10.February 1870. In India ,He died before 1896 , his wife as a widow remarried to a J. Bishop.in Lucknow.India,when he also died (date unknown ),she returned to using the name of O'Connor,and dropped the use of the name Sultana , in preference to that of Elizabeth , she died in the 1920 's in & is interred in Cawnpore.India. as Elizabeth O'Connor.Descendency of Sultana Elizabeth Esaw, was from Greek father and an English mother . Charles Michael O'Connor and Sultana Elizabeth Esaw, had four known children, & two unknown ,The children are as follows:- Catherine O'Connor bn 1872 Pimlico London .Married 1895 to Thomas Hudson a Farrier S/Sgt 16th Lancers, in Lucknow.India (My grand parents) listed in the English Census of 1901, living at Islington London with her two children though when she died ? &where buried? remains a big question .(I have all records onwards from this union) Elizabeth O'Connor bn 1875 India. Died 1953 Kent U.K. Married 1895 to a David Hans Deacon ,a Sgt. 16 Lancers .Lucknow India (I have all records onwards from this union). Ellen Irene Agnes O'Connor bn 1877, India ,married 1896 to Sgt .F.W.Packwood 16 th Lancers in Lucknow . India. Died 4 Jan 1904. Lahore India. ( I have all records onwards from this union ) Charles Raoul O'Connor bn 1881 India ,married a Basilike Esaw in 1907 Bengal India .( No info on these person's as yet ). The two unproved sons were thought to be a George and Edward O'Connor also born in India , said to be bandsman in the army in India . There may be some descendents of the above family John O'Connor of Limerick who will most probably have written to O'Connor family members back in Ireland. and may even (I hope) be recognised as lost family members, should you have you have any of these names within your family tree's, I would be most grateful if you could contact me on bbbpbb@xtra.co.nz Thank you for taking the time to read my email . Regards to all have a Happy Easter. Bill Braden -Brown .In Weymouth New Zealand. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1338 - Release Date: 21/03/2008 5:52 p.m.

Hello Bill - have you tried putting your request on any of the Indian or Anglo Indian sites - you may meet up with some rellies. Good Hunting. Macha in Te Aroha -----Original Message----- From: irl-limerick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-limerick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BILL BRADEN-BROWN Sent: Saturday, 22 March 2008 10:54 a.m. To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Searching for O'Conno'sr from Limerick 1845 aprox. A Good day to all , I am trying to locate any family descendents of any siblings of my great grandfather a Charles Michael O'Connor. I know the information I have is close to being non existant, and this is the last brick wall of 163 years to knock down ,and that I don't have much hope of finding a common name as O'Connor in Limerick. I could do with some help though in this area research of O'Connor.& would be very grateful for any pointers in the right direction please. "Seminaries "in the Limerick area & may be indication of Teachers colleges etc? All that information that I have for Charles Michael O'Connor coming from Ireland , is in an early letter written by Sultana (his wife)to one of her grandchildren who wrote:-that he came from Limerick Ireland,Charles Michael O'Connor was born in 1845 Est. , in Limerick he was the son of a John O'Connor Of Limerick.John's wife's names are unknown. Family stories have it that he had a brother ( forename unknown ) who became an R.C. Priest ,and a sister (forename unknown) who became a school teacher. What is known is that Charles Michael O'Connor joined up with the ,East Indian Railway Company.may be in Dublin or in London and was appointed in February 1867.When in January1871 he was a Supervisor Machine Sawyer in the East Indian Railway Company .Wagon dept at Howrah .Bengal India. after 1872 he was shown as being employed as a Supervisor in the Public Works Dept at Howrah . India. Charles Michael O'Connor married a Sultana Elizabeth Esaw.on 10.February 1870. In India ,He died before 1896 , his wife as a widow remarried to a J. Bishop.in Lucknow.India,when he also died (date unknown ),she returned to using the name of O'Connor,and dropped the use of the name Sultana , in preference to that of Elizabeth , she died in the 1920 's in & is interred in Cawnpore.India. as Elizabeth O'Connor.Descendency of Sultana Elizabeth Esaw, was from Greek father and an English mother . Charles Michael O'Connor and Sultana Elizabeth Esaw, had four known children, & two unknown ,The children are as follows:- Catherine O'Connor bn 1872 Pimlico London .Married 1895 to Thomas Hudson a Farrier S/Sgt 16th Lancers, in Lucknow.India (My grand parents) listed in the English Census of 1901, living at Islington London with her two children though when she died ? &where buried? remains a big question .(I have all records onwards from this union) Elizabeth O'Connor bn 1875 India. Died 1953 Kent U.K. Married 1895 to a David Hans Deacon ,a Sgt. 16 Lancers .Lucknow India (I have all records onwards from this union). Ellen Irene Agnes O'Connor bn 1877, India ,married 1896 to Sgt .F.W.Packwood 16 th Lancers in Lucknow . India. Died 4 Jan 1904. Lahore India. ( I have all records onwards from this union ) Charles Raoul O'Connor bn 1881 India ,married a Basilike Esaw in 1907 Bengal India .( No info on these person's as yet ). The two unproved sons were thought to be a George and Edward O'Connor also born in India , said to be bandsman in the army in India . There may be some descendents of the above family John O'Connor of Limerick who will most probably have written to O'Connor family members back in Ireland. and may even (I hope) be recognised as lost family members, should you have you have any of these names within your family tree's, I would be most grateful if you could contact me on bbbpbb@xtra.co.nz Thank you for taking the time to read my email . Regards to all have a Happy Easter. Bill Braden -Brown .In Weymouth New Zealand. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1338 - Release Date: 21/03/2008 5:52 p.m.

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Hi Bill Your search would need to include CONNORS and CONNOR as well, as in my experience they were interchangeable in Limerick. I put my CONNORS search in the "Too Hard" basket for now, and I have a parish. Cheers Beryl Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "BILL BRADEN-BROWN" <bbbpbb@xtra.co.nz> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:53 AM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Searching for O'Conno'sr from Limerick 1845 aprox. >A Good day to all , > > I am trying to locate any family descendents of any siblings of my great > grandfather a Charles Michael O'Connor. I know the information I have > is close to being non existant, and this is the last brick wall of 163 > years > to

Hi List As we know that in some villages in Limerick (and Ireland) the same name and surname is very prolific. Understandably as this country is much older than USA, Canada and Australia etc.. Some of the naming patterns go back prior to Anglo-Saxon arrival. Hence some villages have nicknames for different branches of the family to distinguish them from each other, so don't be surprised if visiting without knowledge of the townland and requesting a common name you maybe asked are they the Widow Connor's? Turf Connor's? Micky Connor's or the Red Connors? etc.. also some of the nicknames go back for centuries. As a suggestion while using the Griffiths Valuations and you have three Thomas Connors in one townland, try and compare this to the Tithes and you may find that back then there was only one Thomas, so one maybe his son and the other a different line, or father, son and grandson as leases were sometimes taken out for the life of that individual which meant that it covered his family during his lifetime down to his grandson. Also the time between the Tithes and the Griffiths is enough to have had an offspring some twenty years, also it was not uncommon for a child of ten to fifteen years to be an agricultural labourer. Kerry

I did waste some money with wild guesses on my Limerick clan since I do not know the parish. But I searched by parish for my Corbetts in Kilkenny and for far less than I would have paid Rothe house in the past (70 euros) I obtained 2 brothers and a sister for my greatgrandfather. I spent over 3 days searching the microfilm for his record when I was last in Ireland so it seemed a good deal for 15 euros. So if you know the parish an ancestor came from it is a good deal. Record can be printed and of course is a transcription. Knowing how hard the original is to read since I have tried there may be errors but the basic information for the baptisms I had were residence, names of parents with mother's maiden name and names of witnesses. Since witnesses can sometimes be related that is very helpful. I obtained the parish through a lucky ad placed by one of the brothers in the "Missing Friends" database. It helped that Corbett was not a very common name in Kilkenny. ----- Original Message ----- From: <irl-limerick-request@rootsweb.com> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: IRL-LIMERICK Digest, Vol 3, Issue 192 > > > Information Wanted: http://infowanted.bc.edu/ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. IFHF (Nancy) > 2. Re: Limerick tradesmen in (Mary Ellen Chambers) > 3. Re: IFHF (JoForLife@aol.com) > 4. Re: IFHF (littlehouseantiques@att.net) > 5. Limerick Guild of Cabinet-makers' - 1840 > (littlehouseantiques@att.net) > 6. Re: Limerick Guild of Smiths' - 1840 (littlehouseantiques@att.net) > 7. Re: Limerick Guild of Smiths' - 1840 (littlehouseantiques@att.net) > 8. Re: Limerick Guild of Smiths' - 1840 (mike@obrienclan.com) > 9. REPOST CORRECTION for Limerick Guild of Smiths' - 1840 > (littlehouseantiques@att.net) > 10. Limerick Guild of Ropemakers' - 1840 (littlehouseantiques@att.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:32:02 -0400 > From: Nancy <fandnh1@patmedia.net> > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] IFHF > To: Ireland Limerick <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BA89B486-8AF2-4E15-9D74-98B5674955BE@patmedia.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > I just went through 40 euro and at 5 euro a pop and found nothing for > my Hinchy's . I just isn't worth it > Nancy > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 07:36:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Limerick tradesmen in > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <477329.55859.qm@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Thanks Tom. Appreciate your look up. He is one of my "brick" walls. > Whilst his son, my g grandfather married a "lovely" girl from Clare in > Limerick City, thought perhaps he might have plied his traid there. He is > not in the English census I have checked out. > > Mary Ellen > > Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> wrote: > Sorry, there are no Townsend's listed under the Coachmaker's Guild. > > Tom > > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:34:20 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mary Ellen Chambers > Subject: > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <192741.71379.qm@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Tom~ > Under Coachmakers, would the name Davis TOWNSEND be listed?? > Trying to locate my gg grandfather. > > Mary Ellen Chambers > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:40:57 EDT > From: JoForLife@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] IFHF > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <bf2.2a9bd096.35167479@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > What exactly do you get from the IFHF? Do you just get information on the > computer screen or can you order an actual paper certificate of some sort? > > Is the information that's there also available on microfilm from the LDS? > > > Jo > > > ************** > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:49:50 +0000 > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] IFHF > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com, Ireland Limerick > <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <032220081549.6650.47E52A9E00059A1B000019FA22230704929B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Nancy, know how you feel!! But rather than completely waste the money why > not contribute your 'rejects' here to the list (if they are Limerick > records?) so that others may perhaps benefit? > > BTW I am transcribing the names from the Limerick Guild lists and believe > there is at least one HINCHY from the 1840 Freeman's Journal article we've > been discussin. Will post very soon, so watch for it. > > Kathy Rhodes > -------------- Original message from Nancy > <fandnh1@patmedia.net>: -------------- > I just went through 40 euro and at 5 euro a pop and found nothing for > my Hinchy's . I just isn't worth it > Nancy > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:51:24 +0000 > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Limerick Guild of Cabinet-makers' - 1840 > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com, Ireland Limerick > <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <032220081551.11507.47E52AFC0002641200002CF322230704929B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> > > > Members of the Limerick Guild of Cabinet-makers' > as published in the Freeman's Journal on October 21, 1840 > > Barclay, Michael > Bourke, R. > Burke, James > Burke, Michael > Clarke, Thomas > Clooney, John > Clooney, Michael > Coghlan, Jun., Michael > Coghlan, Michael > Colanan, Edward > Colein, Chr. > Conners, Richard > Conners, Timothy > Conners, Simon > Connery, Jeremiah > Connolly, Edward > Connolly, John > Corrig, John > Evans, Nathaniel > Eyres, James > Farrell, David > Forward, Thomas > Goggin, John > Kearney, Denis > Lynch, James > Lynch, Michael > Lynch, John > Lyons, Philip > Mangan, John > M'Donald, John > Mulready, James > Mulready, James > Mulready, Jun., James > Murphy, Timothy > Murphy, Michael > Murphy, James > O'Brien, Michael > O'Brien, James > O'Loughlin, B. > Pelican, James > Quinlan, Michael > Renedy, Jeremiah > Ryan, James > Sarstield, Philip > Scales, John > Shaughnessy, John > Sheedy, Michael > Skiddy, Edward > Smith, George > Sweeny, Stephen > Tyrrell, Henry > Tyrrell, James > Wallace, Michael > Wallace, John > Waller, Joseph > Walsh, Arthur > > Guild of Smiths coming up next! > > Kathy Rhodes > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:17:02 +0000 > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Limerick Guild of Smiths' - 1840 > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com, irl-limerick@rootsweb.com, Ireland > Limerick <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <032220081617.7159.47E530FB000BD52E00001BF722230704929B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Members of the Limerick Guild of Smiths' > as published in the Freeman's Journal on October 21, 1840 > > Ahern, Thomas > Boyle, Patrick > Connell, John > Corbett, Arthur > Daly, Patrick > Everett, Michael > Halpin, Daniel > Hart, James > Hayes, John > Houlehan, W. > Houlehan, James > Humphrys, Thomas > Keogh, Denis > Kidney, John > King, Patrick > Lennan, Michael > Lonigan, Wm. > Loughlin, Michael > Lynce, Patrick > Maher, Wm. > Mara, Michael > M'Carthy, Cornelius > M'Carthy, Patrick > M'Enery, Michael > M'Evoy, Patrick > Mulcahy, Mark > Murphy, Wm. > O'Brien, Benjamin > O'Brien, John > O'Brien, Michael > O'Connor, John > O'Keeffe, Edward > Punch, James > Ryan, John > Wall, Michael > Walsh, Michael > Ward, Thomas > > NOTE: I've extracted the names from this newpaper article and > alphabatized them by surname within each guild, they were NOT listed in > this manner in the original newspaper article. Below is the additional > text from the article as submitted by Mr. Thomas Ahern, secretary of the > Limerick Guild of Smiths' : > > Guild of Smiths, Limerick. -- Mr. Thomas Ahern, secretary > of the guild of smiths, Limerick in forwarding the > subscription of that guild, says: --I send you, as our first > instalment, the names and subscription of forty staunch > Repealers, the most of whom have been reduced from a > state of independence (as well paid mechanics) to the > verge of pauperism, by the baneful effects of the miscalled act > of Union. I am not old enough to recollect the passing > of that measure, yet I feel to the present day its blighting > effects. At the death of my father I was apprenticed, in > 1817, to Mr. Philip Doyle, proprietor of the then > Hibernian foundry, who had in his employment forty-three > men and boys, working at the various branches connected > with our trade, many of which are totally annihilated, as > also this concern, by the Repeal (not of the act of Union) > but the duty on English and Scotch hardware. About the > year 1821 Mr. John James Doyle kept the Limerick > foundry, where forty men and boys got employement, but > now I regret, he is not able to employ four. Mr. > David Spowart kept the Caledonian foundry in this city, > where thirty men and boys got employment, but not being > able to compete with our English and Scotch duty free > neighbours (as to prices), he has long since shared the fate > of my master. Our city is now reduced to one foundry, > > and the name of two, Mr. Thomas Newsom kept an > extensive house, smith's shop, in this city, in which thirty-two > men and boys got employment, and at one branch alone > (bright grate making) eight smiths and two brass founders > were constantly employed (though many more worked in > other shops in the town); that beutiful and servicable > article has been suppressed by the English and Scotch metal > grate, there not being a single bright grate made in Limerick > for the last two years. In the same concern there were > six men constantly employed, and about twenty more in > their own and other shops; now there is not work for a single > man in the city, unless now and again repairing almost > stuck together English locks. And here let it be understood > that all the articles in the hardware line imported are duty > free, as, for instance, the freight of a ton of manufactured > English or Scotch hardware is only the same as that on a ton > of raw or unwrought bar iron, or steel, thus giving a > preponderating influence to those articles in this or any other > market, and laying the Irish workman under corresponding > disadvantages. Wroght iron safes, a lucrative branch of > our trade, by which many in this and other concerns were > employed, has almost given way to English and Scotch cast > iron safes. This concern has long since disappeared, and > its owner, and may of the workmen, obliged to seek bread > far from the city of their birth. Beam-making, a lucrative > and scientific branch of our trade, has almost given way to > the English beams. Wrought iron verandahs and balconys, > that gave work to the more tasteful portion of our smiths, > is fast giving way to the English and Scotch manufacture, > as are also the following articles: wind-up and smoke > jacks, that gave employment to many in our city; fire irons, > that gave work to many in our city; joint-hinge making, > in all its diversified branches; saddle-tree riveting, edged > tool making, file cuting, sheet iron work, in its varied shapes. > I could enumerate may more brances of our trade that are > almost annihilated, but knowing I have trespassed too long, > I conclude by asking to what is this awful decline of trade > attributable? Not to the want of tact of talent as mechanics, > for let it be perfectly understood that there are many > among us that never left Limerick able to manufacture > each and every article I have enumeratedas well as our > English or Scotch neighbours; nay more, they being > confined to one particular branch, while the Irish artizan is, of > necessity, obliged to be familiar with and to perform all. > VIOLATED TREATY? None but God alone, who has raised > up a second Moses in the person of Daniel O'Connell, to > free us from our worse than Eqyptian slavery, aided by a > religious, brave, and, thank Heaven, temperate people, to > make a long pull, a strong pull, and a pull togther to repeal > that Castlereagh suicidal impost, the act of Union. > > Please propose me and Mr. Patrick M'Carthy as members > of the association, and the following as associates:-- [list of names > followed here in original article]. > > Submitted by Kathy Rhodes > 22 Mar 2008 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:57:44 +0000 > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Limerick Guild of Smiths' - 1840 > To: Ireland Limerick <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <032220081657.711.47E53A87000B37C4000002C722230704929B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > SCRATCH the Guild List of SMITHS guys. > Haste makes waste and it contains some errors, regrettably all mine. > Will send correction soon. > > Kathy Rhodes > > -------------- Original message from > littlehouseantiques@att.net: -------------- > > Members of the Limerick Guild of Smiths' > as published in the Freeman's Journal on October 21, 1840 > > > Ahern, Thomas <snip!!!!> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:13:46 -0700 > From: <mike@obrienclan.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Limerick Guild of Smiths' - 1840 > To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000401c88c40$16e32680$0a00a8c0@OBRIENM> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Interesting! > > I found Kennedy O'Brien listed twice (looks like one senior and one > junior) > in the Limerick Chronicle of 1832 as land holders. > One is listed in Carnagh and the other in Dunmoylan. > One of them could be mine and moved Hospital Parish where possibly one had > son named William, born in 1824. > > Any information about their descendents would appreciated. > > Mike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <littlehouseantiques@att.net> > To: "Ireland Limerick" <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 9:57 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Limerick Guild of Smiths' - 1840 > > >> SCRATCH the Guild List of SMITHS guys. >> Haste makes waste and it contains some errors, regrettably all mine. >> Will send correction soon. >> >> Kathy Rhodes >> >> -------------- Original message from >> littlehouseantiques@att.net: -------------- >> >> Members of the Limerick Guild of Smiths' >> as published in the Freeman's Journal on October 21, 1840 >> >> >> Ahern, Thomas <snip!!!!> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:24:42 +0000 > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] REPOST CORRECTION for Limerick Guild of > Smiths' - 1840 > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com, Ireland Limerick > <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <032220081724.17875.47E540D800051831000045D322216125569B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> > > > Members of the Limerick Guild of Smiths' > as published in the Freeman's Journal on October 21 1840 > > Ahern, Thomas > Boyle, Wm. > Connell, Benjamin > Corbett, Michael > Daly, Wm. > Everett, John > Halpin, Michael > Hart, Patrick > Hayes, Michael > Houlehan, Michael > Houlehan, Thomas > Humphrys, John > Keogh, Wm. > Kidney, James > King, Patrick > Lennan, Patrick > Lonigan, Mark > Loughlin, Denis > Lynch, John > Maher, James > Mara, Daniel > M'Carthy, Patrick > M'Enery, Michael > M'Evoy, Thomas > Mulcahy, W. > Murphy, John > O'Brien, Patrick > O'Brien, Michael > O'Brien, Cornelius > O'Connor, Michael > O'Keeffe, Arthur > Punch, John > Ryan, James > Wall, Edward > Walsh, John > Ward, Michael > > Additional text from article which PROCEEDED the above list of names: > > Guild of Smiths, Limerick. -- Mr. Thomas Ahern, secretary > of the guild of smiths, Limerick in forwarding the > subscription of that guild, says: --I send you, as our first > instalment, the names and subscription of forty staunch > Repealers, the most of whom have been reduced from a > state of independence (as well paid mechanics) to the > verge of pauperism, by the baneful effects of the miscalled act > of Union. I am not old enough to recollect the passing > of that measure, yet I feel to the present day its blighting > effects. At the death of my father I was apprenticed, in > 1817, to Mr. Philip Doyle, proprietor of the then > Hibernian foundry, who had in his employment forty-three > men and boys, working at the various branches connected > with our trade, many of which are totally annihilated, as > also this concern, by the Repeal (not of the act of Union) > but the duty on English and Scotch hardware. About the > year 1821 Mr. John James Doyle kept the Limerick > foundry, where forty men and boys got employement, but > now I regret, he is not able to employ four. Mr. > David Spowart kept the Caledonian foundry in this city, > where thirty men and boys got employment, but not being > able to compete with our English and Scotch duty free > neighbours (as to prices), he has long since shared the fate > of my master. Our city is now reduced to one foundry, > > and the name of two, Mr. Thomas Newsom kept an > extensive house, smith's shop, in this city, in which thirty-two > men and boys got employment, and at one branch alone > (bright grate making) eight smiths and two brass founders > were constantly employed (though many more worked in > other shops in the town); that beutiful and servicable > article has been suppressed by the English and Scotch metal > grate, there not being a single bright grate made in Limerick > for the last two years. In the same concern there were > six men constantly employed, and about twenty more in > their own and other shops; now there is not work for a single > man in the city, unless now and again repairing almost > stuck together English locks. And here let it be understood > that all the articles in the hardware line imported are duty > free, as, for instance, the freight of a ton of manufactured > English or Scotch hardware is only the same as that on a ton > of raw or unwrought bar iron, or steel, thus giving a > preponderating influence to those articles in this or any other > market, and laying the Irish workman under corresponding > disadvantages. Wroght iron safes, a lucrative branch of > our trade, by which many in this and other concerns were > employed, has almost given way to English and Scotch cast > iron safes. This concern has long since disappeared, and > its owner, and may of the workmen, obliged to seek bread > far from the city of their birth. Beam-making, a lucrative > and scientific branch of our trade, has almost given way to > the English beams. Wrought iron verandahs and balconys, > that gave work to the more tasteful portion of our smiths, > is fast giving way to the English and Scotch manufacture, > as are also the following articles: wind-up and smoke > jacks, that gave employment to many in our city; fire irons, > that gave work to many in our city; joint-hinge making, > in all its diversified branches; saddle-tree riveting, edged > tool making, file cuting, sheet iron work, in its varied shapes. > I could enumerate may more brances of our trade that are > almost annihilated, but knowing I have trespassed too long, > I conclude by asking to what is this awful decline of trade > attributable? Not to the want of tact of talent as mechanics, > for let it be perfectly understood that there are many > among us that never left Limerick able to manufacture > each and every article I have enumeratedas well as our > English or Scotch neighbours; nay more, they being > confined to one particular branch, while the Irish artizan is, of > necessity, obliged to be familiar with and to perform all. > VIOLATED TREATY? None but God alone, who has raised > up a second Moses in the person of Daniel O'Connell, to > free us from our worse than Eqyptian slavery, aided by a > religious, brave, and, thank Heaven, temperate people, to > make a long pull, a strong pull, and a pull togther to repeal > that Castlereagh suicidal impost, the act of Union. > > Please propose me and Mr. Patrick M'Carthy as members > of the association, and the following as associates:-- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:45:46 +0000 > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Limerick Guild of Ropemakers' - 1840 > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com, irl-limerick@rootsweb.com, Ireland > Limerick <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <032220081745.856.47E545C9000CA5810000035822216125569B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> > > > Members of the Limerick Guild of Ropemakers' > as published in the Freeman's Journal on October 21 1840 > > Connor, Denis > Fennicane, Micahel > Hogan, Patrick > Keane, Thomas > Keane, John > Kelly, John > Kelly, Michael > Love, James > M'Carthy, John > M'Namara, Michael > M'Namara, Geo. > Myres, Thomas > O'Donoghue, Michael > O'Donoghue, Edmond > Reidy, Patrick > Ryan, Anthony > Sullivan, James > Toole, Jun., Thomas > Toole, Sen., Thomas > Tracy, Edmond > > Additional text from article which PROCEEDED the above list of names: > > Ropemakers' Guild, Limerick. --- The ropemakers' guild > of Limerick, in sending their subscriptions, express their > full conviction that nothing will alleviate the misery that > so long prevailed among the operatives of this Kingdom, > but a restoration of Ireland's domestic parliament, which > the perfidious Pitt and subtle Castlereagh contrived to rob > her of by the greatest bribery and corruption. > > They state that since the Union the Norway timber trade > has fallen off (the British government being more > inclined to favour the Canada trade), and the few vessels that > trade between this and Canada belong to individuals who > import cordage from England, while the Limerick artizans > are left in misery at home; and that the East India trade > is also gone; but they hope yet to enjoy the busy hum of > the ropemakers' wheel within the walls of their ancient, > loyal, and prosperous city, the last bulwark of Ireland's > greatness. > > The following is the ropemakers's list: -- > > NOTE: Original list of names was not in any sort of order; I > have alphabetized by surname to make them easier for folks to > find. klr 22 May 2008 > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-LIMERICK list administrator, send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-LIMERICK mailing list, send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-LIMERICK Digest, Vol 3, Issue 192 > ******************************************** > >

A Good day to all , I am trying to locate any family descendents of any siblings of my great grandfather a Charles Michael O'Connor. I know the information I have is close to being non existant, and this is the last brick wall of 163 years to knock down ,and that I don't have much hope of finding a common name as O'Connor in Limerick. I could do with some help though in this area research of O'Connor.& would be very grateful for any pointers in the right direction please. "Seminaries "in the Limerick area & may be indication of Teachers colleges etc? All that information that I have for Charles Michael O'Connor coming from Ireland , is in an early letter written by Sultana (his wife)to one of her grandchildren who wrote:-that he came from Limerick Ireland,Charles Michael O'Connor was born in 1845 Est. , in Limerick he was the son of a John O'Connor Of Limerick.John's wife's names are unknown. Family stories have it that he had a brother ( forename unknown ) who became an R.C. Priest ,and a sister (forename unknown) who became a school teacher. What is known is that Charles Michael O'Connor joined up with the ,East Indian Railway Company.may be in Dublin or in London and was appointed in February 1867.When in January1871 he was a Supervisor Machine Sawyer in the East Indian Railway Company .Wagon dept at Howrah .Bengal India. after 1872 he was shown as being employed as a Supervisor in the Public Works Dept at Howrah . India. Charles Michael O'Connor married a Sultana Elizabeth Esaw.on 10.February 1870. In India ,He died before 1896 , his wife as a widow remarried to a J. Bishop.in Lucknow.India,when he also died (date unknown ),she returned to using the name of O'Connor,and dropped the use of the name Sultana , in preference to that of Elizabeth , she died in the 1920 's in & is interred in Cawnpore.India. as Elizabeth O'Connor.Descendency of Sultana Elizabeth Esaw, was from Greek father and an English mother . Charles Michael O'Connor and Sultana Elizabeth Esaw, had four known children, & two unknown ,The children are as follows:- Catherine O'Connor bn 1872 Pimlico London .Married 1895 to Thomas Hudson a Farrier S/Sgt 16th Lancers, in Lucknow.India (My grand parents) listed in the English Census of 1901, living at Islington London with her two children though when she died ? &where buried? remains a big question .(I have all records onwards from this union) Elizabeth O'Connor bn 1875 India. Died 1953 Kent U.K. Married 1895 to a David Hans Deacon ,a Sgt. 16 Lancers .Lucknow India (I have all records onwards from this union). Ellen Irene Agnes O'Connor bn 1877, India ,married 1896 to Sgt .F.W.Packwood 16 th Lancers in Lucknow . India. Died 4 Jan 1904. Lahore India. ( I have all records onwards from this union ) Charles Raoul O'Connor bn 1881 India ,married a Basilike Esaw in 1907 Bengal India .( No info on these person's as yet ). The two unproved sons were thought to be a George and Edward O'Connor also born in India , said to be bandsman in the army in India . There may be some descendents of the above family John O'Connor of Limerick who will most probably have written to O'Connor family members back in Ireland. and may even (I hope) be recognised as lost family members, should you have you have any of these names within your family tree's, I would be most grateful if you could contact me on bbbpbb@xtra.co.nz Thank you for taking the time to read my email . Regards to all have a Happy Easter. Bill Braden -Brown .In Weymouth New Zealand.