I ordered 2 from West Galway: No age, no cemetery... nothing but name, date of death, parish, townland. Didn't order any more!!! Maybe Limerick will be different. Kitty **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

I think that we in the USA sometimes confuse our method of recording deaths and burials, along with cemetery records and the way it is done in Ireland/Republic. American records are more readily and easily available than those in Ireland. Our death certificates contain more data, especially those in the latter part of the 19th into the 20th century. The cemeteries have offices with records of plot ownership and who is buried there. Pre Civil Death certificates in USA are recorded in huge volumes in Archives. In the church and Civil parish cemeteries in Ireland, especially in rural districts, there are no offices with burial records and records of Catholic deaths pre 1864 and even after are almost non existent. We found that we had to do graveyard walks for cemeteries near the townlands we were researching. Also, talking to people living locally, we often found that there was a person in the area who had a record of the graves and inscriptions. An appointment with that individual was always met with courtesy and a great sharing of information. Irish burial and death records and practices are very much different than in the USA. Civil Death records give the name, the cause, the address and the person who reported the expiration. There is no place on the forms that I have obtained over the years for place of burial, physician declaring, spouse name, DOB, parents names and residence. Of course, all data on the certificates is only as good as the knowledge of the person who reported the death whether here or in Ireland.

The are titled Burial Record on the form. Maybe they assumed everyone knew they would be buried in the church cemetery????? If you were buried from a church you were usually buried in that cemetery????? Bonni Begin forwarded message: > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > Date: March 28, 2008 12:31:55 PM CDT > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com, irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] BURIAL records IHFH > Reply-To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > > A BURIAL record without a cemetery listed? That doesn't make any > sense. Are you sure it was a BURIAL record and not a DEATH record? > > Kathy Rhodes > > -------------- Original message from DUCKEECPS@aol.com: -------------- > I ordered 2 from West Galway: No age, no cemetery... nothing but > name, date > of death, parish, townland. Didn't order any more!!! Maybe Limerick > will be different. > Kitty > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message Any Society that would give up liberty for a little security, will deserve neither and lose both. Benjamin Franklin 1759

I have looked at burial records from Westmeath and Limerick. The Limerick records were good with most things filled in. The Westmeath records had very little in them. The Limerick records were 1870 to 73. The Westmeath records were from 1827 -1845 and 1850. The cemetery was not mentioned on any of them but very little info on the early ones. I think it has more to do with after civil registration in 1864. After that more info was required. The forms are probably from after civil registration began and that info wasn't asked for before in church registers?????? Maybe I'm wrong?????? Bonni Begin forwarded message: > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > Date: March 28, 2008 12:04:11 PM CDT > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] BURIAL records IHFH > Reply-To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > > Good Afternoon All! > > Can anyone advise if they have purchased any BURIAL records from the > IFHR yet? > I've found one that is sorely tempting me but I'm reluctant to > 'splurge' without first knowing what sort of info the record is > likely to contain. > > The record says that it is from Parish: LIMERICK NO 1 (and I'm > assuming that is in the City of Limerick and probably does not > designate a parish but rather a particular cemetery in the city) but > I've been unable to figure this out just yet. Does anyone know? or > has any one purchased a Burial rec yet? > > Thanks for your help! > Kathy Rhodes > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message Any Society that would give up liberty for a little security, will deserve neither and lose both. Benjamin Franklin 1759

If these were adult cousins recently arrived in the Boston area, I would assume that they had hired themselves out to different families and you wouldn't find them together. In a message dated 3/28/2008 12:08:03 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, irl-limerick-request@rootsweb.com writes: >Despite diligent attempts to locate an O'CONNOR family >in US census records in the Boston / Somerville area >in 1860, I have failed to find any one O'CONNOR family >that contained ALL 5 names together. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

Hi Elaine , the only place in County Limerick that has stones like Stonehenge is Lough Gur. So if your folklore is correct those people you seek came from the Lough Gur area. Sean -----Original Message----- From: irl-limerick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-limerick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mattse165 Sent: 27 March 2008 20:35 To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] John Collins Will do that and thank you George and Tom for giving me some areas to work in and look at and your time is appreciated.the siblings were in Ireland until the early 1880's when they came to NZ as young men aged 19 & 21 and settled and married in the Meeanee Taradale area. It was also verbally stated to my grandmother that the place they came from had about 2 hundred people and there were stones there similar to Stonehenge As regards your hint regarding the name Cornelius and his son and etc were also called that here in NZ by g/uncle was actually called Con and Young Con to distinguish the 3 generations of them living under the same roof. The family were all Catholics as far as I know and Family folklore states that at some time past their originals were Cullinane and/or O'Cullinane Regards Elaine Griffith's Valuations: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just looking at the surname here in New Zealand in this Hawke's Bay area this is spelt with a double m e.g. GEMMELL So could be an alternative spelling. Elaine

Will do that and thank you George and Tom for giving me some areas to work in and look at and your time is appreciated.the siblings were in Ireland until the early 1880's when they came to NZ as young men aged 19 & 21 and settled and married in the Meeanee Taradale area. It was also verbally stated to my grandmother that the place they came from had about 2 hundred people and there were stones there similar to Stonehenge As regards your hint regarding the name Cornelius and his son and etc were also called that here in NZ by g/uncle was actually called Con and Young Con to distinguish the 3 generations of them living under the same roof. The family were all Catholics as far as I know and Family folklore states that at some time past their originals were Cullinane and/or O'Cullinane Regards Elaine

I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS CERTIFICATE BUT WAS TOLD THAT HE WAS A BOOTMAKER in IRELAND in 1850 John COLLINS and Ellen RYAN Their known children to have come to NZ were:- Mary b abt 1861 Michael 1857 Cornelius 1859-my line Richard David All buried Napier to Hastings Area Other COLLINS relations who also came out cousins or siblings were: - Patrick b 1845 Daniel Margaret Thank you Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom LaPorte" <tlaporte@mts.net> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] John Collins > Hi Elaine > > There are only the names which have just been posted from the list of > Guild Members supporting O'Connell. > > I did check the much larger list of Limerick Freeholders which I found > last year on EPPI. There are several John Collins listed in the > Limerick area but all are farmers. > > What year is that marriage certificate you mention? The lists which we > are talking about are at least a generation or two earlier than civil > registration started in Ireland. Plenty of time for a farmer's son to > become a broguemaker. > > Tom > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:23:52 +1200 > From: mattse165 <mattse165@paradise.net.nz> > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Limerick tradesmen in > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <002201c88e49$2f2882c0$6323f6d2@mum1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > > Hi Tom and you must be getting sick of look- ups, but under brogue > makers > would John COLLINS be listed. He was married to Ellen RYAN and on my > ggrandfather's wedding Certificate he was listed as a Shoe-maker > > Thank you > Elaine > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-LIMERICK list administrator, send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-LIMERICK mailing list, send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-LIMERICK Digest, Vol 3, Issue 203 > ******************************************** > > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That's what I needed, Kathy. Thanks. Janet On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 9:28 AM, <littlehouseantiques@att.net> wrote: > Put your Surname in > Put 0 (zero) in Firstname > Put 0 (zero) in Year > NOTE: Doesn't matter what the +/- range is set to > (leave it blank or select 4 years or whatever) > Select the Parishes One by One from their drop down list > > This will return ALL the "hits" for each parish > even if there are more than 10! and give you links at > bottom to go to next page etc so that you don't have to > "guess" for the date range to get them to all come up at one > shot. > > Kathy Rhodes > > Now if someone could just figure out how to take a particular marriage for a bride and find the corresponding groom that goes with it, I'd be a happy camper! > > -------------- Original message from mchicoine@linkline.com: -------------- > > Just discovered that all the first 10 names in register will come up in > the website if you search on last name, 0 (zero not o) and parish - use > dates to narrow if register has a lot of your surnames - I was trying all > the letters of the alphabet and accidently put in zero for o and all the > names popped up regardless of first name. > > Maureen - chasing Sheas/Farrells in Limerick and Corbetts in Kilkenny > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Beryl, Bill: Wonder how many others have placed their O'CONNOR / CONNOR / CONNORS in the "too hard" basket? I too am guilty of this even though I do have a Townland & Parish. O'CONNOR / CONNOR / CONNORS I am looking for: Catherine, Daniel, Mary, Michael and Patrick - Originally from Civil Parish of Tuogh [RC Parish of Cappamore], Townlands of Dromsally (aka Dromsallagh, Drumsallaght) and Cappamore - Known to have immigrated to the USA (Massachusetts, Boston/Somerville area) sometime slightly before 1859 - Known to be cousins of Denis SHANAHAN (born City of Limerick c1830-1839)& Michael William SHANAHAN (born 1841 somewhere in Co Limerick). My only source of information for the above is an advertisement that my Denis SHANAHAN posted in 1859 in the newspaper the "Boston Pilot" looking for his O'CONNOR 'cousins'. It is unclear to me from the ad whether the 5 names he listed were all his 'cousins' or if two of them where his Aunt/Uncle and 3 of them his actual 'cousins' or all 5 were his cousins, etc. Despite diligent attempts to locate an O'CONNOR family in US census records in the Boston / Somerville area in 1860, I have failed to find any one O'CONNOR family that contained ALL 5 names together. Despite knowing the Townland, w/out some dates & w/out knowing the relationships between these 5 O'CONNORs how would one even start sorting all the O'CONNORS from those townlands out? If anyone on this list has some pointers to share on how to deal with such common surnames (especially paired w/ very common given names!) I'd be 'all ears'! Kathy Rhodes ------ Original message from "BILL BRADEN-BROWN" : ------ Hi Beryl, Many thanks for your input into my query into the O'Connor in Limerick, Thank you I will keep it in mind that Connor & Connors when searching for my O'Connor. Yes I also fear that I too will eventually put it in the "too hard basket." I also have very little to go upon and if I had just a parish it might make all the difference. Bill In Weymouth N.Z. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beryl O'Gorman" Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Searching for O'Connor's from Limerick 1845 aprox. Hi Bill Your search would need to include CONNORS and CONNOR as well, as in my experience they were interchangeable in Limerick. I put my CONNORS search in the "Too Hard" basket for now, and I have a parish. Cheers Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia

Put your Surname in Put 0 (zero) in Firstname Put 0 (zero) in Year NOTE: Doesn't matter what the +/- range is set to (leave it blank or select 4 years or whatever) Select the Parishes One by One from their drop down list This will return ALL the "hits" for each parish even if there are more than 10! and give you links at bottom to go to next page etc so that you don't have to "guess" for the date range to get them to all come up at one shot. Kathy Rhodes Now if someone could just figure out how to take a particular marriage for a bride and find the corresponding groom that goes with it, I'd be a happy camper! -------------- Original message from mchicoine@linkline.com: -------------- Just discovered that all the first 10 names in register will come up in the website if you search on last name, 0 (zero not o) and parish - use dates to narrow if register has a lot of your surnames - I was trying all the letters of the alphabet and accidently put in zero for o and all the names popped up regardless of first name. Maureen - chasing Sheas/Farrells in Limerick and Corbetts in Kilkenny

This is valuable as it brings up the first 10, but those are the earliest 10. One can then use the + or - 4 years to move through the years picking up all records of that surname. If the latest date on the first 10 is, say. 1846, then put in 1850 in the date box, and you will get the next set going forward in time. Watch for page numbers below the boxes. Janet On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 7:39 PM, <mchicoine@linkline.com> wrote: > Just discovered that all the first 10 names in register will come up in > the website if you search on last name, 0 (zero not o) and parish - use > dates to narrow if register has a lot of your surnames - I was trying all > the letters of the alphabet and accidently put in zero for o and all the > names popped up regardless of first name. > > Maureen - chasing Sheas/Farrells in Limerick and Corbetts in Kilkenny > > > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The given name could also be the family name GABBETT. The GABBETT family was prominent in Limerick in the 1700s and 1800. It was common for family names of the mother to end up as a forename in later generations. -- Regards Nick /Home/ http://members.iinet.net.au/~nickred/ <http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Enickred/> /Sites managed/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~registryofdeeds/index.html <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Eregistryofdeeds/index.html> http://www.igrsoc.org/index.htm http://members.iinet.net.au/~nickred/majuratennis/ <http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Enickred/majuratennis/>

Hello Elaine If his marriage was in 1850 then he would probably have been too young, maybe 10 to 15, to be listed in the Guild lists of 1840. So I don't think it matters that he was not listed in the newspaper lists. To confirm that he was a bootmaker, you should probably try to obtain that marriage certificate. Civil Registration started generally in 1864 but the registration of non-Roman Catholic marriages actually started in 1845 so that certificate actually should exist. It could be ordered through a GRO but I believe those early certificates were also microfilmed by the LDS and could be obtained through your local Family History Centre. The Church of Ireland parish registers for Limerick (town) are also available through the FHL's so those various birth records may be found with some time spent looking through microfilm. Good luck hunting! Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:54:24 +1200 From: mattse165 <mattse165@paradise.net.nz> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] John Collins To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <004301c88fb5$de5516b0$3d23f6d2@mum1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS CERTIFICATE BUT WAS TOLD THAT HE WAS A BOOTMAKER in IRELAND in 1850 John COLLINS and Ellen RYAN Their known children to have come to NZ were:- Mary b abt 1861 Michael 1857 Cornelius 1859-my line Richard David All buried Napier to Hastings Area Other COLLINS relations who also came out cousins or siblings were: - Patrick b 1845 Daniel Margaret Thank you Elaine

Did you know that the SSI differs from county to county? For example for the surname SHANAHAN in Co Limerick it lists 8 standard variants, while in Co Tipperary it lists 11. I can understand why it differs from county to county (it's showing you all the known variant spellings they have for the name in that particular county) but shouldn't the list for ALL IRELAND contain ALL the known variants that appear in ALL the counties? The SSI for the surname SHANAHAN across ALL IRELAND is obscenely long (88 variants). However, the variant spelling of Shannahan (with 2 n's in the middle) though it appears in both the SSI lists for Co Limerick and for Co Tipperary does NOT appear in the variant list for ALL IRELAND. So, if you (like me) were thinking that when doing searches across ALL IRELAND that you were "automatically" getting ALL the variants of your surname's spelling....you might want to check and see what your ALL IRELAND searches might possibly have been missing! For me it is a BIGGIE since the double "N" spelling of my name is pretty darn common and I've been doing a lot of ALL IRELAND searches. Happy Hunting! Kathy Rhodes Leave no stone unturned! (or any variant spelling - lol!)

How about Lottie What is the surname as well just in case we stumble on it. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Williams" <jwilliams4@hotkey.net.au> To: <IRL-LIMERICK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] given name LOT > Does anyone know if there is an alternative christian name for LOT?? > many thanks > Joan Williams > KIllarney Victoria Australia > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Elaine - The name is Lot Carmody - parents Rodger Carmody and Mary Myers/Myers/Meires married St Munchins 1830 - Bridget born 1832 followed by rest of family - all at St Munchins. Lot named as oldest on his fathers DC and still living 1879 - age 50 - Tried Carmody with L in given name and only came up with a Lrnce in another parish - where there is another Carmody family having kids. Thanks for asking - appreciate any help - have had lot of success with IFHF but at a cost including misses. Kind regards to all listers Joan Williams Killarney Victoria australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "mattse165" <mattse165@paradise.net.nz> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] given name LOT > How about Lottie > What is the surname as well just in case we stumble on it. > Elaine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Williams" <jwilliams4@hotkey.net.au> > To: <IRL-LIMERICK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:35 PM > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] given name LOT > > > > Does anyone know if there is an alternative christian name for LOT?? > > many thanks > > Joan Williams > > KIllarney Victoria Australia > > Griffith's Valuations: > > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Does anyone know if there is an alternative christian name for LOT?? many thanks Joan Williams KIllarney Victoria Australia

Lott or Lot is all I know. Cheers Col ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Williams" <jwilliams4@hotkey.net.au> To: <IRL-LIMERICK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 6:35 PM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] given name LOT > Does anyone know if there is an alternative christian name for LOT?? > many thanks > Joan Williams > KIllarney Victoria Australia > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > __________ NOD32 2973 (20080326) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >