It may change in future depending on what response Christina gets from the IFHF but for now, it's okay to share the information you've been getting from the IFHF with the list. See below: On 20 Mar 2008 Christina Hunt (List Admin) wrote: I have written to IFHF for clarification as to whether they will allow postings to a list. We are not strictly speaking a website. I would guess they are going to be okay with that so you can post unless I hear otherwise. Thanks to Kathy for contacting them. Regards, Christina IRL-Limerick list admin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On March 28, 2008 "marilyn miller" wrote: <snip>...i have more king/mulcahy records that are not mine & i will share that personal info off line.

Cris, The IFHF shows the following Burial/Death info: Burial Kennelly Cornelius 1885 Co. Limerick Parish: SHANAGOLDEN R.D. Burial Kenealy Mary 1885 Co. Limerick Parish: LIMERICK NO 4 Burial Kenneally Mary 1885 Co. Limerick Parish: ARDAGH R.D. Burial Kennelly Mary 1885 Co. Limerick Parish: LIMERICK NO 3 R.D. stands for Registration District and it means that this record is a CIVIL record as opposed to a Church record. Limerick No 3 and No 4 are in the City of Limerick (and again these are CIVIL records)...so all four recs above are CIVIL and not Church records. I suppose one of these 3 Mary's could have been the wife of that Cornelius Kennelly who died in Shanagolden R.D., but if so they died in different places. Looking at the marriage records I find the following: Marriage Kennelly Cornelius 1827 Co. Limerick Parish: SHANAGOLDEN Marriage Kennelly Cornelius 1834 Co. Limerick Parish: ASKEATON Marriage Kenneally Cornelius 1865 Co. Limerick Parish: ST. JOHN'S Marriage Kennelly Cornelius 1865 Co. Limerick Parish: LIMERICK NO 3 Marriage Kennelly Cornelius 1896 Co. Limerick Parish: LIMERICK NO 3 The 1896 date is way too late (but the other are "possible"). If you knew Mary's maiden name you could go in and plug her in with the above marriage dates (and the corresponding parishes) and see if there is an entry that "matches" otherwise it's a crap shoot (unless you have some idea of the date your great great grandparents married?) Hope this helps some! Kathy Rhodes -------------- Original message from crazyangel25@webtv.net: -------------- Hi List Im in the process of going through the list archives now to see what I've missed. Apparently when spam built up over a busy week it closed my email box and I was unsubscribed. Darn! Ive come across something and am hoping someone can help me, please. I have found a Cornelius KENNELLY and a Mary KENNELLY who both died in County Limerick in 1885. I only have the year. Iam hoping these are my great great grandparents. If so, its literally the first lead Ive had! Now that I know this what can I do to find out more? Literally anything ? Obit, death record, cemetery..I have nothing so anything would be great. Aside from their names I know nothing about my KENNELLY'S. Thank you for any help. Cris Atwater California

Kathy thank you so much! This is fantastic I tried the IFHF site but only came up with the year of death,I must have been doing something wrong. Mary's maiden name was NESTOR. This is awesome I will lok at it more carefully I wanted to thank you first. Some time ago someone sent me ths but I dont know if it s accurate, as it was an email with no sources listed Cornelius KENNELLY married Margaret (or Mary) NESTOR 27 Nov. 1834 Some of their children were: Margaret born 6 Oct. 1836 ( married Maurice LANGAN died 1903 in Nebraska) Michael born 12 Oct. 1839 Peter born 25 Jan. 1842 Thomas born 3 Oct. 1848 There are further records, census, etc. which suggest that the first Michael (1839) probably died and another son was born between Peter and Thomas and that that son was also named Michael (but I have no birth record for him)." Ive never seen or found anything, The above is the extent of what I know Where would I find or order Civil Records? Burial? Are there obituaries online that anyome knows of for 1885 County Limerick? This is great Kathy, thank you again. Have a great weekend,wish I didnt have to work I want to persue this... Cris

i've been following the messages re: ifhf & i've even posted some of my results. i agree that it is a financial strain even at 5 euros. but genealogy research can always be a strain for me living on $17,000 per yr social security. however, i've managed to save a little just for this endeavor. & i'm pleased to say that i now know exactly where my mulcahy/king ancestors were from. they were in the doonakenna/templeglantine/mahoonagh area. as i've already stated, i really want to go back. i was there over 20 yrs ago but knew nothing about where my grandparents were from. if anyone is looking for a traveling buddie please consider me. marilyn miller, toms river, nj mreed24@thejerseyshore.net also, i have more king/mulcahy records that are not mine & i will share that personal info off line.

I had learned from a local historian which cemetery my great-grandparents were buried in when I was visiting the West Cork area in 1997. I arrived at the cemetery only to be told by the caretaker that there was one person in the parish who had known something about every single person buried in that cemetery, but he had died "a fortnight ago." OHHHHHHH!!!!!!! To have missed someone by two weeks! I learned that he had taken all of his information with him and that information on burials was not required in that area of Co. Cork until 1934. After that time, there would have been information on people buried in that cemetery. Information had to be sent to some type of central office. So, to my way of thinking, if you find any information at all in the 1800's about family burials, you have found more than many of us will find. Most of my families had no stone so no information was ever recorded. Perhaps because Ireland was more rural than many parts of the U.S. the records are not the same. Actually, in rural parts of the US there is nothing written about early burials. Jan

Hi List Im in the process of going through the list archives now to see what I've missed. Apparently when spam built up over a busy week it closed my email box and I was unsubscribed. Darn! Ive come across something and am hoping someone can help me, please. I have found a Cornelius KENNELLY and a Mary KENNELLY who both died in County Limerick in 1885. I only have the year. Iam hoping these are my great great grandparents. If so, its literally the first lead Ive had! Now that I know this what can I do to find out more? Literally anything ? Obit, death record, cemetery..I have nothing so anything would be great. Aside from their names I know nothing about my KENNELLY'S. Thank you for any help. Cris Atwater California

Thanks so much George, you just saved me some dough! Plus right before yielding to impulse to 'splurge' I looked at their Sample death record and they don't even have a spot for the parent's names on them! What's up w/ that? That's just about the only reason to buy a death cert IMHO! Surely the names of the parents are requested and recorded on a post 1864 civil death registration? --------- Original message from "george kelly" <geokel@eircom.net>: --------- Checked with IFHF.Only Limerick burials online are those of Church of Ireland. As I suspected the "burials" for Catholics are post 1864 death registrations. The headstone inscriptions and Mount St Lawrence burial records not in the database. Apparently this is a technical issue for IFHF, having to do with the design of the forms-same form used for all denominations.

Hi List Iam hoping someone might be able to help me. I have found a Cornelius KENNELLY and a Mary KENNELLY who both died in County Limerick in 1885. Iam hoping these are my great great grandparents. If so its the first lead Ive had! Now that I know this what can I do to find out more? Aside from their names this is all I know about the KENNELLY'S. Thank you for any help. Cris Atwater California

Have shelled out lots of dough on the IFHF site w/ precious little to show for it BUT have had one success and that is that I've finally figured out the parents of my 4 SHANAHAN siblings (3 of whom were Priests in Co Limerick)! Yeah! Fr. Timothy R. SHANAHAN (c1828 - 14 May 1915) Fr. Gerald aka Gerard Augustine SHANAHAN (18 Aug 1839-Feb 1919) Fr. Denis Ryan SHANAHAN (1843-28 Jun 1924) Patrick SHANAHAN (1841-28 Aug 1865) were children of Patrick SHANAHAN and Ellen RYAN. Fr. Gerald aka Gerard Augustine SHANAHAN was born in the townland of Ballinanima (don't ask which of the 3 because the record didn't say), in the Roman Catholic Parish of Kilfinane. Sponsors were Timothy SHANAHAN and Hanora RYAN. Think townland where Gerard/Gerald was born may have been Ballinanima (Massy) based on the fact that there is a Timothy Shanahan in Ballinanima (Massy) in the Griffith's Valuation. Anybody got any RYANS in this area???? Kathy Rhodes

Checked with IFHF.Only Limerick burials online are those of Church of Ireland.As I suspected the "burials" for Catholics are post 1864 death registrations.The headstone inscriptions and Mount St Lawrence burial records not in the database.Apparently this is a technical issue for IFHF,having to do with the design of the forms-same form used for all denominations. ----- Original Message ----- From: <littlehouseantiques@att.net> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com>; <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] BURIAL records IHFH > Just checked the IFHF sources page for County Limerick and realized that > 'Limerick No 1' Parish designation does indeed mean that the record I want > is a > CIVIL RECORD; still not sure why they are saying it is a BURIAL record > rather > than a DEATH record...unless in Ireland (as in the US) there are Burial > permits as > well as Death certificates? Here in the states a Burial Permit differs > little from a > Death Certificate--neither ususally gives the name of a cemetery, although > a Burial > permit does sometimes mention the name of the place where the body is > being > transferred to (for example: when someone dies in one county or state but > is buried > in another). Death Certificate/Burial Permit for the most part are > interchangeable > terms; there is usually one or the other but not usually both, so I'm > thinking it must > be the same in Ireland. > > Kathy Rhodes > > -------------- Original message from "george kelly" > <geokel@eircom.net>: -------------- > > >> I have seen pre 1864 burials referred to on IFHF site-some even for 18th >> century.I think that these may have been taken from headstone >> inscriptions >> noted by some of our local history societies..In general,however,the >> "burials" of IFHF appear to be post 1864 death registrations.These do not >> include the name of cemetery where deceased was buried.If one is trying >> to >> trace a burial the only source for Catholics is the record of the >> Municipal >> Mount St Lawrence cemetery in Limerick city-dates from c 1855 and >> includes >> all denominations.For members of the Church of Ireland there are more >> extensive records.In the 1800's practically all the cemeteries were >> property >> of that Church.While Catholics were buried in these no records kept >> except >> for C of I members. > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Just checked the IFHF sources page for County Limerick and realized that 'Limerick No 1' Parish designation does indeed mean that the record I want is a CIVIL RECORD; still not sure why they are saying it is a BURIAL record rather than a DEATH record...unless in Ireland (as in the US) there are Burial permits as well as Death certificates? Here in the states a Burial Permit differs little from a Death Certificate--neither ususally gives the name of a cemetery, although a Burial permit does sometimes mention the name of the place where the body is being transferred to (for example: when someone dies in one county or state but is buried in another). Death Certificate/Burial Permit for the most part are interchangeable terms; there is usually one or the other but not usually both, so I'm thinking it must be the same in Ireland. Kathy Rhodes -------------- Original message from "george kelly" <geokel@eircom.net>: -------------- > I have seen pre 1864 burials referred to on IFHF site-some even for 18th > century.I think that these may have been taken from headstone inscriptions > noted by some of our local history societies..In general,however,the > "burials" of IFHF appear to be post 1864 death registrations.These do not > include the name of cemetery where deceased was buried.If one is trying to > trace a burial the only source for Catholics is the record of the Municipal > Mount St Lawrence cemetery in Limerick city-dates from c 1855 and includes > all denominations.For members of the Church of Ireland there are more > extensive records.In the 1800's practically all the cemeteries were property > of that Church.While Catholics were buried in these no records kept except > for C of I members.

Bonni, were any of the Burial records you got from Co Limerick actually for the CITY of Limerick? Kathy Rhodes -------------- Original message from Bonita Evjen <bevjen@bevcomm.net>: -------------- I have looked at burial records from Westmeath and Limerick. The Limerick records were good with most things filled in. The Westmeath records had very little in them. The Limerick records were 1870 to 73. The Westmeath records were from 1827 -1845 and 1850. The cemetery was not mentioned on any of them but very little info on the early ones. I think it has more to do with after civil registration in 1864. After that more info was required. The forms are probably from after civil registration began and that info wasn't asked for before in church registers?????? Maybe I'm wrong?????? Bonni From: littlehouseantiques@att.net Date: March 28, 2008 12:04:11 PM CDT To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] BURIAL records IHFH Reply-To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Good Afternoon All! Can anyone advise if they have purchased any BURIAL records from the IFHR yet? I've found one that is sorely tempting me but I'm reluctant to 'splurge' without first knowing what sort of info the record is likely to contain. The record says that it is from Parish: LIMERICK NO 1 (and I'm assuming that is in the City of Limerick and probably does not designate a parish but rather a particular cemetery in the city) but I've been unable to figure this out just yet. Does anyone know? or has any one purchased a Burial rec yet? Thanks for your help! Kathy Rhodes

In many rural areas cemeteries were not attached to local Church.These were often very old,dating back to medieval times and often near ruins of old church or monastery.They were generally property of the Church of Ireland.While the C of I authorities recorded burials of their own members in these cemeteries Catholics not recorded.The IFHF "burials" seem to be death registrations. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonita Evjen" <bevjen@bevcomm.net> To: <IRL-LIMERICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Fwd: BURIAL records IHFH > > The are titled Burial Record on the form. Maybe they assumed everyone > knew they would be buried in the church cemetery????? If you were > buried from a church you were usually buried in that cemetery????? > > Bonni > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: littlehouseantiques@att.net >> Date: March 28, 2008 12:31:55 PM CDT >> To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com, irl-limerick@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] BURIAL records IHFH >> Reply-To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com >> >> A BURIAL record without a cemetery listed? That doesn't make any >> sense. Are you sure it was a BURIAL record and not a DEATH record? >> >> Kathy Rhodes >> >> -------------- Original message from DUCKEECPS@aol.com: -------------- >> I ordered 2 from West Galway: No age, no cemetery... nothing but >> name, date >> of death, parish, townland. Didn't order any more!!! Maybe Limerick >> will be different. >> Kitty >> Griffith's Valuations: >> http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > > Any Society that would give up liberty for a little security, will > deserve neither and lose both. > > Benjamin Franklin 1759 > > > > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I have seen pre 1864 burials referred to on IFHF site-some even for 18th century.I think that these may have been taken from headstone inscriptions noted by some of our local history societies..In general,however,the "burials" of IFHF appear to be post 1864 death registrations.These do not include the name of cemetery where deceased was buried.If one is trying to trace a burial the only source for Catholics is the record of the Municipal Mount St Lawrence cemetery in Limerick city-dates from c 1855 and includes all denominations.For members of the Church of Ireland there are more extensive records.In the 1800's practically all the cemeteries were property of that Church.While Catholics were buried in these no records kept except for C of I members. ----- Original Message ----- From: <littlehouseantiques@att.net> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 5:04 PM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] BURIAL records IHFH > Good Afternoon All! > > Can anyone advise if they have purchased any BURIAL records from the IFHR > yet? > I've found one that is sorely tempting me but I'm reluctant to 'splurge' > without first knowing what sort of info the record is likely to contain. > > The record says that it is from Parish: LIMERICK NO 1 (and I'm assuming > that is in the City of Limerick and probably does not designate a parish > but rather a particular cemetery in the city) but I've been unable to > figure this out just yet. Does anyone know? or has any one purchased a > Burial rec yet? > > Thanks for your help! > Kathy Rhodes > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

A BURIAL record without a cemetery listed? That doesn't make any sense. Are you sure it was a BURIAL record and not a DEATH record? Kathy Rhodes -------------- Original message from DUCKEECPS@aol.com: -------------- I ordered 2 from West Galway: No age, no cemetery... nothing but name, date of death, parish, townland. Didn't order any more!!! Maybe Limerick will be different. Kitty

Good Afternoon All! Can anyone advise if they have purchased any BURIAL records from the IFHR yet? I've found one that is sorely tempting me but I'm reluctant to 'splurge' without first knowing what sort of info the record is likely to contain. The record says that it is from Parish: LIMERICK NO 1 (and I'm assuming that is in the City of Limerick and probably does not designate a parish but rather a particular cemetery in the city) but I've been unable to figure this out just yet. Does anyone know? or has any one purchased a Burial rec yet? Thanks for your help! Kathy Rhodes

I have Thomas O'Connor about that time and he ended up in Ottawa, Illinois, USA. He shows up in 1856. -----Original Message----- From: irl-limerick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-limerick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of RTENNIHAN@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:21 PM To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] O'connors Hello. My O'connor family arrived in Boston in the early 1850's from Limerick. What names are you looking for. My family lived in South Boston. Best wishes. Bob **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom0 0030000000001) Griffith's Valuations: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

kathy The records I got were from Feenagh Kilmeedy Parish. These were my Grandfather's baby brothers, 1870 to 1873. All of the info was filled in except the Cemetery. I wish I could be more help Bonni Begin forwarded message: > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > Date: March 28, 2008 12:57:43 PM CDT > To: IRL-LIMERICK@rootsweb.com > Cc: Bonita Evjen <bevjen@bevcomm.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] BURIAL records IHFH > > Bonni, were any of the Burial records you got from Co Limerick > actually for the CITY of Limerick? > > Kathy Rhodes > -------------- Original message from Bonita Evjen > <bevjen@bevcomm.net>: -------------- > I have looked at burial records from Westmeath and Limerick. The > Limerick records were good with most things filled in. The Westmeath > records had very little in them. The Limerick records were 1870 to > 73. The Westmeath records were from 1827 -1845 and 1850. The > cemetery was not mentioned on any of them but very little info on the > early ones. I think it has more to do with after civil registration > in 1864. After that more info was required. The forms are probably > from after civil registration began and that info wasn't asked for > before in church registers?????? Maybe I'm wrong?????? > Bonni > > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > Date: March 28, 2008 12:04:11 PM CDT > To: irl-l imerick@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] BURIAL records IHFH > Reply-To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > > Good Afternoon All! > Can anyone advise if they have purchased any BURIAL records from the > IFHR yet? > I've found one that is sorely tempting me but I'm reluctant to > 'splurge' without first knowing what sort of info the record is > likely to contain. > The record says that it is from Parish: LIMERICK NO 1 (and I'm > assuming that is in the City of Limerick and probably does not > designate a parish but rather a particular cemetery in the city) but > I've been unable to figure this out just yet. Does anyone know? or > has any one purchased a Burial rec yet? > > Thanks for your help! > Kathy Rhodes Any Society that would give up liberty for a little security, will deserve neither and lose both. Benjamin Franklin 1759

Hello. My O'connor family arrived in Boston in the early 1850's from Limerick. What names are you looking for. My family lived in South Boston. Best wishes. Bob **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)