I have just added the following civil parish tithes to the County Limerick section of my website: Killeely Killeenagarriff Remember to read my transcription notes to see what I found when looking at the film plus any problems I had with the transcription. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:22 PM, zirklecircle <[email protected]> wrote: > Janet: I am reading this exchange with interest. My great great grandfather was > born in Cappawhite at about 1800. He grew up in a village then called Hunt's > Grove. Was the old village of Hunt's Grove also in Limerick rather than > Tipperary (as I'd thought)? If you know. Thanks Dan > > > Dan, The English named their new estates in Ireland, and, in this case, the Hunt family would have named their area Hunt's Grove. Two things can happen after that. First, if there was a village there, the whole village may have begun to be called Hunt's Grove, and that may at some point reverted back to its old village name after the War of Independence. Second, a village may have grown around the estate and called by the estate name. In the latter case, the name would probably stick. Hunt's Grove was either solely an estate name or a village that has now reverted back to its previous name because it no longer exists as a village name per the Townland Index. Because it no longer exists I can't tell if it was in Tipp or Limerick or bounced back and forth like some others. If it sat on the border area, it probably bounced. Digging out these name changes is one of the things that is quite exciting for me and proving helpful for others. Cappawhite is a very messy parish as to borders and which townland was in it at what time. Janet
Christina - I realise that but it gives me other clues such as place of death and the informant. I have found the informant's has been good for sorting out relationships. Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Finn Hunt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Irish death certificate > Heather, > Not to be a downer but Death certs do not name parents. Only the person > present > at the death. Often a wife or child. But, it can be interesting. > > Christina > >> Thank you everyone for your suggestions on the easiest way to >> purchase Irish death certificates. I have now placed an order for >> ten so fingers crossed they will sort of the family I am working >> on. Heather >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thank you everyone for your suggestions on the easiest way to purchase Irish death certificates. I have now placed an order for ten so fingers crossed they will sort of the family I am working on. Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Finn Hunt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Irish death certificate > Tina, > The online system did not offer the same range of certificates. > You can get an old Birth cert. > But --Marriages occurring in the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland > from > January 1920- December 1921 > From 1922 - present, marriages occurring in the Republic of Ireland only. > Deaths > Deaths occurring in the Republic of Ireland from 1924 - present > > So, some limitations. > Christina > >> http://www.groireland.ie/apply_for_a_cert.htm >> >> There appears to be a secure online system. This looks like 10 >> euro. Some sites are charging 30. >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Jean, I don't have any personal info on this family but I did make a free search in Griffiths (1850s) via www.askaboutireland.ie . For the Poor Law Union of Rathkeale, there were 20 returns for Quaid - eight of them were for the occupiers alone - several more may have been lessors, perhaps just to laborers or other relatives. I didn't search in depth. The 1890 Matheson survey of frequency of surnames shows no Quaid (less than five births of that surname in Ireland) but over fifty to McQuaid, but most of those were in Monaghan or Fermanagh, where, according to MacLysaght, that name originated. Quaid was the variation in Limerick, but was apparently less common. Paul Keroack --- On Wed, 3/23/11, jean rinaldi <[email protected]> wrote: From: jean rinaldi <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] QUAID of Rathkeale, Limerick. To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 12:47 AM Was the surname QUAID a fairly common name in the early 19th Century in Rathkeale, Limerick? I would like to find out about the parents of my ancestor DAVID QUAID. He was born about 1804/5, and in 1823 enlisted at Rathkeale in the 1st Battalion Rifle Brigade. He died in 1884, an army pensioner at Netley, Hampshire. I have no idea of the parents names, however, David named his only son James, and his two daughters as Mary Ann and Elizabeth, so these may have been family names. Can anyone advise me how I would go about finding more information on this Quaid family? Jean. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Janet: I am reading this exchange with interest. My great great grandfather was born in Cappawhite at about 1800. He grew up in a village then called Hunt's Grove. Was the old village of Hunt's Grove also in Limerick rather than Tipperary (as I'd thought)? If you know. Thanks Dan ________________________________ From: Janet Crawford <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 11:51:39 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Cappagh Civil Parish / Co Tipperary South? or Co Limerick ? Kathy, Cappawhite parish was also called Cappa(gh) parish for a long time. Janet On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Little.House.Antiques <[email protected]> wrote: > Ran across something odd today on the IFHF site (http://www.rootsireland.ie/) > and can't figure out if I'm being particularly dense today or what, > thought I'd run it past you guys and see if anyone could help: > > I found a marriage record as follows: > > Civil Marriage Looby Daniel 1887 Co. Tipperary Parish: CAPPAGH (CP) > Civil Marriage Quillinan Catherine 1887 Co. Tipperary Parish: CAPPAGH (CP) > > What's weird here is that as far as I know there is no Cappagh Civil Parish > in Co Tipperary South, so how is this record coming up? > > When you check IFHF's online source records available for Co Tipperary South >http://www.rootsireland.ie/ifhf/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=sources >s > it does not even list a Cappagh Civil Parish under their Civil Records! > > What's really odd too is that I also found these records: > > Church Marriage Looby Daniel 1887 Co. Limerick Parish: DOON (RC) > Church Marriage Quillinan Catherine 1887 Co. Limerick Parish: DOON (RC) > > And at first glance thought that this was just the 'flip side of the coin' > i.e., the Church records that corresponded with the civil records; however, > the RC parish of Doon is nowhere near the civil parish of Cappagh in Co > Limerick, so I'm very confused here. > > Is there a Cappagh Civil Parish in Co Tipperary? If so, where the heck is it? > > Thanks in advance for any help! > Kathy > Researching Shanahan / Luby / Looby > Co Tipperary / Co Limerick > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Cappagh is not the name of the civil parish in which the marriage occurred. Cappagh is the name of the Registrar's District (RD), which is located within the larger Superintendent Registrar' District (SRD) called Tipperary (SRD). Part of the RD of Cappagh is located in County Tipperary and part in County Limerick. The list of "Civil Districts" (they are actually RDs) at Tipperary South http://www.rootsireland.ie/ifhf/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=sources <http://www.rootsireland.ie/ifhf/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=sources> seems to be calling it Cappawhite. The divisions for civil registration evolved from the old Poor Law Union divisions, so the SRD has the same name as the old Poor Law Union (Tipperary in this case). The Poor Law Union of Tipperary is part in County Limerick and the larger part in County Tipperary. Perhaps IFHF decided to let civil records from Cappagh RD be handled by Tipperary South instead of sharing between two Heritage Centers, Limerick and South Tipperary. It's good to keep in mind that Poor Law Unions (and therefore SRDs for civil registration) can straddle county borders. If you find a marriage registered in Cappagh RD, you will need to look at the actual civil record to determine whether the marriage occurred in County Tipperary or in County Limerick. Or you can find the corresponding church marriage record, which in your case, Kathy, indicates the marriage occurred in the RC parish of Doon, which must be in the Limerick part of Cappagh RD. (There are other border locations where this is also true.) What complicates matters is that these RDs and SRDs sometimes have the same names as townlands, civil or church parishes and even counties. Understanding administrative divisions in Ireland is important for finding the right records. For civil registration, I recommend a handy little booklet called "Irish Civil Registration - Where Do I Start?" by Eileen M. O Duill and Steven C. ffeary-Smyrl. It is No. 2 in the series called Exploring Irish Genealogy published by the Council of Irish Genealogical Organisations (CIGO). It is available in the US from the Irish Genealogical Society International (IGSI) bookstore at http://72.10.34.82/bookstore - search on the keywords civil registration. Cost from them is $6 plus $2 shipping within US. Or available from CIGO directly - http://www.cigo.ie/eig2.html for €5 plus shipping €1.30 within Ireland, €2.85 "Rest of World ". It is well worth the small price! The list in Appendix 2 is especially helpful. For each county, it lists the SRDs with all the RDs that fall either partly or wholly within that county. For example, on p. 59, under County Limerick, I see two RDs listed within Tipperary SRD: Cappagh and Grean. On p. 62, under County Tipperary, there are 6 RDs within Tipperary SRD: Bansha, Cappagh, Emly, Golden, Grean and Tipperary. So it appears that the RDs of Cappagh and Grean both straddle the Limerick-Tipperary border. I also found a webpage where someone interested in the same area talks about all the various administrative divisions - http://www.buckleysofcappawhite.com/theplacecappawhite/administrativegeography.html . See especially the section called Poor Law Unions, SRDs, RD,s & EDs. Geralyn Wood Barry On 3/23/2011 9:15 AM, Little.House.Antiques wrote: > Ran across something odd today on the IFHF site (http://www.rootsireland.ie/) > and can't figure out if I'm being particularly dense today or what, > thought I'd run it past you guys and see if anyone could help: > > I found a marriage record as follows: > > Civil Marriage Looby Daniel 1887 Co. Tipperary Parish: CAPPAGH (CP) > Civil Marriage Quillinan Catherine 1887 Co. Tipperary Parish: CAPPAGH (CP) > > What's weird here is that as far as I know there is no Cappagh Civil Parish > in Co Tipperary South, so how is this record coming up? > > When you check IFHF's online source records available for Co Tipperary South > http://www.rootsireland.ie/ifhf/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=sources > it does not even list a Cappagh Civil Parish under their Civil Records! > > What's really odd too is that I also found these records: > > Church Marriage Looby Daniel 1887 Co. Limerick Parish: DOON (RC) > Church Marriage Quillinan Catherine 1887 Co. Limerick Parish: DOON (RC) > > And at first glance thought that this was just the 'flip side of the coin' > i.e., the Church records that corresponded with the civil records; however, > the RC parish of Doon is nowhere near the civil parish of Cappagh in Co > Limerick, so I'm very confused here. > > Is there a Cappagh Civil Parish in Co Tipperary? If so, where the heck is it? >
Gail, My mother had friends named Cullinan or Cullinane in Co Clare and they were sometimes referred to as Quillinans, So you might need to expand your search. Regards Sheila ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:05:36 -0700 >From: "Gail Harms" <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] William Quillinan To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kathy, The obit on the Quillinan family looks like they are part of the Quillinan's I am looking for.The Looby you are looking for you said he married a Catherine Quillinan.Do you know anything else about her or her husband.We could be looking for the same Quillinan. Thank you Gail ------------------------------
Kathy, Cappagh is probably Cappawhite - which is in South Tipp but Doon in Co Limerick is the neighbouring parish And there would be a lot of intermingling etc. Regards Sheila Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:15:26 +0000 (UTC) >From: "Little.House.Antiques" <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Cappagh Civil Parish / Co Tipperary South? or Co Limerick ? Ran across something odd today on the IFHF site (http://www.rootsireland.ie/) and can't figure out if I'm being particularly dense today or what, thought I'd run it past you guys and see if anyone could help: I found a marriage record as follows: Civil Marriage Looby Daniel 1887 Co. Tipperary Parish: CAPPAGH (CP) Civil Marriage Quillinan Catherine 1887 Co. Tipperary Parish: CAPPAGH (CP) What's weird here is that as far as I know there is no Cappagh Civil Parish in Co Tipperary South, so how is this record coming up? When you check IFHF's online source records available for Co Tipperary South http://www.rootsireland.ie/ifhf/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selecte dMenu=sources it does not even list a Cappagh Civil Parish under their Civil Records! What's really odd too is that I also found these records: Church Marriage Looby Daniel 1887 Co. Limerick Parish: DOON (RC) Church Marriage Quillinan Catherine 1887 Co. Limerick Parish: DOON (RC) And at first glance thought that this was just the 'flip side of the coin' i.e., the Church records that corresponded with the civil records; however, the RC parish of Doon is nowhere near the civil parish of Cappagh in Co Limerick, so I'm very confused here. Is there a Cappagh Civil Parish in Co Tipperary? If so, where the heck is it? Thanks in advance for any help! Kathy Researching Shanahan / Luby / Looby Co Tipperary / Co Limerick
Good. I was afraid you were hoping for more. It can be helpful and certainly can help tell if you have the right person. Christina > Christina - I realise that but it gives me other clues such as > place of death and the informant. I have found the informant's has > been good for sorting out relationships. Heather
Heather, Not to be a downer but Death certs do not name parents. Only the person present at the death. Often a wife or child. But, it can be interesting. Christina > Thank you everyone for your suggestions on the easiest way to > purchase Irish death certificates. I have now placed an order for > ten so fingers crossed they will sort of the family I am working > on. Heather >
Thank you Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Collins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] William Quillinan > > Gail, > > My mother had friends named Cullinan or Cullinane in Co Clare and they > were sometimes referred to as Quillinans, > So you might need to expand your search. > Regards > Sheila > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:05:36 -0700 >>From: "Gail Harms" <[email protected]> > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] William Quillinan > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Kathy, > The obit on the Quillinan family looks like they are part of the > Quillinan's I am looking for.The Looby you are looking for you said he > married a Catherine Quillinan.Do you know anything else about her or her > husband.We could be looking for the same Quillinan. > > Thank you Gail > > ------------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Peter, thank you for your response. That page you referenced says that it's Cappagh Civil Parish in Co Limerick-- so I don't get why you are saying it's in Co Tipperary; does it say on that page somewhere that I can't see that this civil parish is in Co Tipperary? I feel pretty stupid asking that but like I said, I'm feeling kinda dense right now -- so please forgive my stupidity. As I said before, geographically speaking Cappagh Civil Parish in Co Limerick is no where -- not even close -- to a border with Co Tipperary (north or south). In fact part of it (one little isolated dot where the townland of Deanstown is located) is completely surrounded by Nantinan Civil Parish and its cut off from the rest of Cappagh CP (where the townland of Cappagh Town is located). Can someone please (pretty please) direct me to a map that shows there is a Cappagh Civil Parish in Co Tipperary SOUTH if there is such a place (or just shoot me, as this is the sort of stuff about Irish research that just drives me wild!) Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Langley" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 12:02:39 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Cappagh Civil Parish / Co Tipperary South? or Co Limerick? Kathy, There is, or was, a civil parish of Cappagh. Confirmed by looking at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/LIM/CappaghTithes.htm Confusion is probably caused by the fact that the Parish is largely in Limerick. Peter.
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Kathy, Cappawhite parish was also called Cappa(gh) parish for a long time. Janet On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Little.House.Antiques <[email protected]> wrote: > Ran across something odd today on the IFHF site (http://www.rootsireland.ie/) > and can't figure out if I'm being particularly dense today or what, > thought I'd run it past you guys and see if anyone could help: > > I found a marriage record as follows: > > Civil Marriage Looby Daniel 1887 Co. Tipperary Parish: CAPPAGH (CP) > Civil Marriage Quillinan Catherine 1887 Co. Tipperary Parish: CAPPAGH (CP) > > What's weird here is that as far as I know there is no Cappagh Civil Parish > in Co Tipperary South, so how is this record coming up? > > When you check IFHF's online source records available for Co Tipperary South > http://www.rootsireland.ie/ifhf/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=sources > it does not even list a Cappagh Civil Parish under their Civil Records! > > What's really odd too is that I also found these records: > > Church Marriage Looby Daniel 1887 Co. Limerick Parish: DOON (RC) > Church Marriage Quillinan Catherine 1887 Co. Limerick Parish: DOON (RC) > > And at first glance thought that this was just the 'flip side of the coin' > i.e., the Church records that corresponded with the civil records; however, > the RC parish of Doon is nowhere near the civil parish of Cappagh in Co > Limerick, so I'm very confused here. > > Is there a Cappagh Civil Parish in Co Tipperary? If so, where the heck is it? > > Thanks in advance for any help! > Kathy > Researching Shanahan / Luby / Looby > Co Tipperary / Co Limerick > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Was the surname QUAID a fairly common name in the early 19th Century in Rathkeale, Limerick? I would like to find out about the parents of my ancestor DAVID QUAID. He was born about 1804/5, and in 1823 enlisted at Rathkeale in the 1st Battalion Rifle Brigade. He died in 1884, an army pensioner at Netley, Hampshire. I have no idea of the parents names, however, David named his only son James, and his two daughters as Mary Ann and Elizabeth, so these may have been family names. Can anyone advise me how I would go about finding more information on this Quaid family? Jean.
Ran across something odd today on the IFHF site (http://www.rootsireland.ie/) and can't figure out if I'm being particularly dense today or what, thought I'd run it past you guys and see if anyone could help: I found a marriage record as follows: Civil Marriage Looby Daniel 1887 Co. Tipperary Parish: CAPPAGH (CP) Civil Marriage Quillinan Catherine 1887 Co. Tipperary Parish: CAPPAGH (CP) What's weird here is that as far as I know there is no Cappagh Civil Parish in Co Tipperary South, so how is this record coming up? When you check IFHF's online source records available for Co Tipperary South http://www.rootsireland.ie/ifhf/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=sources it does not even list a Cappagh Civil Parish under their Civil Records! What's really odd too is that I also found these records: Church Marriage Looby Daniel 1887 Co. Limerick Parish: DOON (RC) Church Marriage Quillinan Catherine 1887 Co. Limerick Parish: DOON (RC) And at first glance thought that this was just the 'flip side of the coin' i.e., the Church records that corresponded with the civil records; however, the RC parish of Doon is nowhere near the civil parish of Cappagh in Co Limerick, so I'm very confused here. Is there a Cappagh Civil Parish in Co Tipperary? If so, where the heck is it? Thanks in advance for any help! Kathy Researching Shanahan / Luby / Looby Co Tipperary / Co Limerick
Kathy, The obit on the Quillinan family looks like they are part of the Quillinan's I am looking for.The Looby you are looking for you said he married a Catherine Quillinan.Do you know anything else about her or her husband.We could be looking for the same Quillinan. Thank you Gail
Checking both the 1851 Townland index which also lists civil parishes and Brian Mitchell's, A New Genealogical Atlas of Ireland and neither have a civil parish Cappagh in County Tipperary, only listed in County Limerick. > > > > Ran across something odd today on the IFHF site ( > http://www.rootsireland.ie/) > and can't figure out if I'm being particularly dense today or what, > thought I'd run it past you guys and see if anyone could help: > > I found a marriage record as follows: > > Civil Marriage Looby Daniel 1887 Co. Tipperary Parish: CAPPAGH (CP) > Civil Marriage Quillinan Catherine 1887 Co. Tipperary Parish: CAPPAGH (CP) > > What's weird here is that as far as I know there is no Cappagh Civil Parish > in Co Tipperary South, so how is this record coming up? > > When you check IFHF's online source records available for Co Tipperary > South > > http://www.rootsireland.ie/ifhf/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=sources > it does not even list a Cappagh Civil Parish under their Civil Records! > > What's really odd too is that I also found these records: > > Church Marriage Looby Daniel 1887 Co. Limerick Parish: DOON (RC) > Church Marriage Quillinan Catherine 1887 Co. Limerick Parish: DOON (RC) > > And at first glance thought that this was just the 'flip side of the coin' > i.e., the Church records that corresponded with the civil records; however, > the RC parish of Doon is nowhere near the civil parish of Cappagh in Co > Limerick, so I'm very confused here. > > Is there a Cappagh Civil Parish in Co Tipperary? If so, where the heck is > it? > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com
IFHF at http://www.rootsireland.ie/ has the following records: Civil Deaths: Surname First Name Year County Parish Quillinan William 1876 Co. Limerick GALBALLY (CP) Cullinane William 1879 Co. Limerick CASTLETOWN (CP) Quillinan William 1880 Co. Limerick CROOM (CP) 1876 is probably too early but both the 1879 and 1880 record are 'feasible' though the 1880 one probably best bet since the 11 day old child had to be conceived before he died. You didn't mention when William was born but the following record COULD be his baptism record since you mentioned his dad's name was also Wm. Church Baptism: Quillinan William 1830 Co. Limerick GALBALLY & AHERLOW (RC) Father: William Quillinan A quick look see for Quillinan family obits in Limerick (see http://www.limerickcity.ie/CityLibrary/LocalStudies/ ) turned up one for a Bridget Quillinan (nee Walsh), wife of a Mathew Quillinan living on George St in Limerick City which may give you some clues into the Quillian family in the city of Limerick to investigate. I was interested because the obit lists a whole bunch of cousins AND one of the surnames was LOOBY which is a line I am researching. This same Mat[t]hew Quillinan appears on the 1911 Census in Limerick living on Cecil Street (and again has a Looby) in his hh. Link to 1911 census http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Limerick_No__8_Urban/Cecil_Street_Upper/632369/ Hope this helps, Kathy Rhodes Researching SHANAHAN / LUBY / LOOBY Co Limerick & Co Tipperary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Harms" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:21:24 PM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Fw: William Quillinan I am researching the Quillinan family. We believe the Quillinan's came from Limerick. Sometime they moved to England not sure when. William Quillinan married Eliza McMahon on Nov 18,1866 in Fulham fields England. William's father's name was William Quillinan and Eliza's father was Denis McMahon. They lived at 30 Little Coram St. The last child they had was Honora she was born Feb 1871 we believe that after Honora was born they went back to Ireland.They were not liviing at 30 Little Coram St when the 1871 census was taken. 1881 Eliza was back in England living at 30 little Coram St but she was a widow with a 11 day old baby girl Mary E born in April 1881.We think William Quillinan died in Limerick Ireland.Eliza's family was living in England we think that after William died she went back to England because that is were her family was. Gail ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message