This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YWC.2ACI/404.3831.4208.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Sorry I did not reply sooner. . . Ambrose Wrenn, so spelled, is found in the 1864 directory in Lowell, MA. The will of William Patrick Rend lists his alias as Wren. According to the death cert for Ambrose, he did arrive in IL around 1864. William Patrick Rend served in the civil war in the 14 NY Volunteers. Elizabeth Cline is the daughter of Hugh Cline, who was the steward of a very large and old estate in Leitrim. It is possible Hugh died in Michigan. One of Elizabeth sons was living in 1870 or 1880 in Chicago next door to a Henry B. Cline whose family came from Vermont-perhaps a mere coincidence. I know these details because I was trying to find a link between a John W. Rend of Chicago and a family named Oliver(and Johnston) found in the same household in Chicago 1880. I have been unable to make a connection, although John was listed as a cousin. Hope this helps