This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YWC.2ACI/5395.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello Pattie, Thanks, just wanted to be sure I was referring to the correct people. According to the 1901 census Patrick was 75 and so would have been born before civil registration/vital records starfted in Ireland in 1864 (Protestant marriages in 1845) so there would be no civil birth record. His birth would have been about 1826. In order to find his church baptismal record, you'd need to know specifically where he was born in County Leitrim, i.e. the town/townland, civil parish to find the local church where the baptism might be. He was apparently born in County Leitrim since the online census doesn't show a different birth county. He wouldn't necessarily have been born in the same location his children were and even if he was, Annaduff RC Church Registers only go back to 1849 for baptisms. It's possible his baptismal record is in Bornacoola RC Church registers which is adjacent to Annaduff and which go back to 1824 for baptisms. Those church registers are available on microfilm through a LDS Family History Centre. The microfilm # is 1279224 item 13-14 but verify those numbers with LDS before ordering the microfilm. The other neighboring parish which might have his baptismal record is Kiltoghart which goes back to 1826 for baptisms. Those registers are available on microfilm through LDS and the microfilm # is 1279223 item 4-5 but again verify those numbers with LDS before ordering the microfilm. The registers might also include any siblings baptised in the same location although they may not all have been born/baptised in the same place or may have been baptised prior to the date the church registers begin for that location. There are other Gills listed in the census who might be Patrick's siblings including John 82 in the same townland and Francis 69 also in the same townland. There are several others in the same civil parish but different townlands. Maybe one or more of them might be listed in the same church register which contains Patrick's baptismal record with the same parents. If his baptism doesn't appear in either of those registers, you can try to find his place of birth from the civil and church records of the children who emigrated. The records would include: All children, i.e. Patrick, Bridget (Beatrice), Margaret (Mary Jane?) and Cecilia: 1) civil marriage records 2) church marriage records 3) civil death records. 4) church death records. 5) obituaries 6) cemetery records. Alternately, you could have the Leitrim Heritage Centre do fee-based research to find Patrick's baptismal record through their access to county-wide church records and perhaps his siblings as well. Regarding a death record, you'd need to know when Patrick died to find his civil death record. Civil registration records in Ireland aren't computerised. You could look at the family information in the 1911 census records microfilms on order through a LDS Family History Centre to determine if Patrick is still alive at that time and if not his death would have been in the 10 year period between 1901 and 1911. You could then look at the microfilm copies of the Index of Irish Civil Registration Records on order through a LDS Family History Centre and go through the 10 years to find his death record. If he was still alive in the 1911 census then you'd have to search the Indexes for the years beginning 1911 and following to find it. Once you have the information from the Index entry, you can order the actual death cert from the General Register Office http://www.groireland.ie and click on "apply for cert". Irish death records don't include the deceased's place of birth or parents names. Regarding a marriage record, again you'd need to know the date of the marriage and if it was before civil registration started in 1864 and his marriage was not a Protestant one, you'd also need to know the location to find the church marriage record for that location. Since his daughter Celia was born in ca 1870 you could again look through the Index of Irish Civil Registrations records to find the marriage entry between 1864-1870 and if it's there follow the same process as the death record to get the actual marriage cert. Many marriages weren't registered especially during early years of civil records. There are several other Gills listed in the online Leitrim 1901 census who might be Celia's siblings but again it would be difficult to verify that without their civil birth certs. So the 1864 - 1870 time period for a possible marriage might be your best research option to find the marriage record without the specific knowledge of dates of birth of her other siblings. If there's no civil marriage record, your option again would be to have the Leitrim Heritage Centre try to find one for you in church registers in the County. However, the marriage may not have been in County Leitrim. The marriage would generally have taken place in the bride's church which could be either her place of residence at the time of marriage or her birth location. Since she was already deceased by the 1901 census there's no way to know specifically where she was born, i.e. if in County Leitrim or not. The children's records in the US listed above may include her place of birth in Ireland which would at least be a starting point for a possible church marriage record for in her birth location. Eilís O'Hara