This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YWC.2ACI/5379.1 Message Board Post: Hello Joyce, No a civil birth record wouldn't be available before 1864 when civil registration started in Ireland. You'd need to know specifically where he was born to identify if there might be a baptismal record in the respective church register for that location. Regards. Eilís O'Hara Ireland