This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YWC.2ACI/5412.1 Message Board Post: There aren't any vital records in Ireland before 1864 and no census records in the 1800s so you need to find specifically where he was born to find a church baptismal record for that birthplace. Look in his civl and church marriage and death records in England as well as his children's civil and church records to find his parents names and where he was born in Ireland.