This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Rourke Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YWC.2ACI/5311.5 Message Board Post: Rhonda The Patrick Rourke you are looking for matche's up with Mary O'Rourke my G/Grand mother. Mary and Patrick were brother and sister. Mary McMahon of co.clair died January 1903 aged 78 in Queanbeyan NSW. Les

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YWC.2ACI/4331.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Maureen, Thanks for your message. I would so like to find out more about "old man GILLICK". What timeframe are we talking about. I am sure he must have been one of my GILLICKS. Helen

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YWC.2ACI/4331.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi. Don't have any info for you, sorry !! Just wanted to mention that i used to spend time at my Uncle John Joe Cusacks, and aunt Mary /Manie Cusacks house withmy cousins, and Old man Gillick, as they called him, was always there, and always seemed to be in photos with us when we were young. Sorry to say, as of yet have no info on his first name. This would have been outside Bailieborough. Address would be--Waterloo-Druminespic-Bailieborough-Co Cavan. Maybe someone out there knows the Cusacks or McCabe's in the area, and it will ring a bell !!!! Kindest regards. Maureen.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YWC.2ACI/5361 Message Board Post: Hi Everyone in Computerland, I have more Info. on my grandmother, she was the daughter of Anne Cooke Gillen, Stracarne, Mohill, wife of Mr. Michael Gillen, ex-Sergeant R.I.C. Patrick Joseph Gillen (son), Elizabeth Jane born May 8, 1877 in the village of Stracarne, Mohill (sister). My great-grandmother Anne Cooke was a respected teacher at Stracarne National School.

here is the stuff i have on this and some i can;t prove yet John heslin and Bridget Cassidy/Kassody were BORN about 1800 they married about 1820 ish had Peter, born 1826 and Bernard 1827. I think John heslin had a brother Peter J.heslin 1806abt Ireland does this sound familar Jim Denning -Ygenealogist-MTgenealogist using Genetics to connect Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.- and ever an growing list List owner of Irish-dna,Piscopo-l-Heslin-l,McHugh-l,Cogan-l-Machelsea-l,Ita-Frosinone-l,Mazzola-l-Duggan-l Project Manager of Chelsea Ma. Genetics Project,Denning&Variants Project-Farrell Genetics Project-The Cogan Project- the Duggan Project- County Longford Project-Frosinone Italy Project-Parramatta-Sydney Project- Hannibal MO-QuincyIL Project-Brighton-NewtonMA Project

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YWC.2ACI/5311.4 Message Board Post: I think Patrick was my G/Grand Mothers brother

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YWC.2ACI/5311.3 Message Board Post: Rhonda:Patrick O'rourke was the brother of Mary O'rourke who was my G/Grand Mother. Mary McMahon was the sister Winifred McMahon who married Terence O'rourke, Patrick's brother his other brother was Cornelius

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: mc kiernan, gough Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YWC.2ACI/5358.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Dear Elias: Thank you so much for your expert suggestions. I will continue my search for Nana Catherine in the USA and then work backwards. I will contact you when I have more information. Thank you again for your patience and generosity. Sincerely, Patricia Montero San Jose, Costa Rica patmontero25@hotmail.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YWC.2ACI/5358.3.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello Patricia, Before you can begin to research Catherine's family in Ireland you need to know: a) her parents names b) her place of birth in Ireland, i.e. the town/townland/civil parish and county and c) her birth date. Trying to connect her to a location in Ireland through Irish birth records for 1864 couldn't guarantee you'd have the right person for several reasons: a) Her parents names are unknown so there would be no way to know if the person's birth in Ireland was the same person even though the name is the same. . b) civil registration of births in Ireland only started in 1864 and many people wouldn't pay the fee to register the birth during the early years. The English Government (Ireland had no home government at that time) really had no way of checking whether there was a birth or not. Compliance really wasn't fully implemented for many years so many births went completely unregistered in the early times. So you'd need to complete research for Catherine in the US to find the detail you need to continue research in Ireland. Since she emigrated when she was 6 you need to find who she emigrated with. She wouldn't have gone alone to the US at that age. It may have been her parents and perhaps other siblings so there may have been no immediate family left in Ireland after they emigrated. Start with US census records beginning in 1870 and succeeding ones and gather all the information you can about her and the family. The surname may have been misspelled in the early records because of difficulty understanding the Irish accent so you'll need to use the soundex or the other variations of the surname for your research. The surname variations in Ireland include: McKearnan, McKeernan, McKeirnan, McKernan and McKirnan. . Research the following civil and religious records: a) Catherine's marriage and death records, her tombstone, cemetery record, obituary and will. Sponsors for her marriage may have been relations and may possibly be other sources for research in the US to find the place of nativity in Ireland. b) Some member of her family had to be naturalised a US citizen. The census records will show Catherine's naturalisation information also. Since she probably emigrated with her parents, her father may have secured naturalisation for himself and the children. The naturalisation records may include where the family was from in Ireland. c) Catherine's children's church and civil birth, baptism, marriage and death records may include where their mother was born in Ireland. Again, they may include sponsors who were relations. With the general absence of census records in Ireland for the 1800s, church registers for the specific location of birth in Ireland are the primary source of family research. So that's why it's necessary to know the specific place of birth, the town/townland/civil parish and county to determine what church registers might be available for that location and where they might be accessed. There are over 64,000 towns and townlands in Ireland. Best wishes in your research. Regards. Eilís O'Hara Ireland

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: mc kiernan Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YWC.2ACI/5358.3.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Dear Elias: Thank you so much for your patience. The world would be a better place if he had more kind people such as yourself. A 1900 U.S. Census in Paterson, Passaic County, New Jersey shows Catherine ( Kittie) Mc Kiernan married to John Gough. It lists Kittie as born in 1864 Ireland and that she emigrated in 1870. They had 2 daughters at the time The 1880 census, also in Paterson, does not list Anne nor Mary's emigration as 1870 or any emigration date at all. In searched the Castle Garden records myself in search of any female Mc Kiernan entering the USA in 1870 and I found Anne and Mary in the City of Paterson, where I knew Catherine was. Since I knew for a fact that the Mc Kiernan family was one of the oldest Catholic families ( Kittie was Catholic) in Paterson, I tried to tie the two families together sine many families from ireland settled where other family members were already settled. I hope that I am not just pulling ideas out of the air in hopes of finding a connection nor is it my intention to waste your time. I look forward to your expert opinion. Thank you again. Sincerely, Patricia Montero San Jose, Costa Rica

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YWC.2ACI/5358.3.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello Patricia, What connection does Catherine McKiernan Gough have to Christopher McKiernan, his mother Mary and his wife Anne? Did US census records for Christopher McKiernan, his mother Mary and wife Anne show Mary and Anne immigrated to the US in 1870 or that his wife was born in Ireland and that Christopher and his wife married prior to 1870? The McKiernans listed in Castle Garden were both already married when they emigrated from England to Manhattan. Even though they have the same names as Christopher's mother and wife, they wouldn't necessarily be the same people or be from the same family. Did US census records for Catherine McKiernan Gough show that she was born in Ireland and that she emigrated to the US in 1870? What are you trying to find out in Ireland about the McKiernan's in New Jersey and which ones of the McKiernans in New Jersey are you trying to find information about? Regards. Eilís O'Hara Ireland

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: mc kiernan Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YWC.2ACI/5358.3.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Dear Elias: County Leitrim shows 2 birth records for a Catherine Mc Kiernan for 1864: 1. District Longford, Vol 8, pg 283 2. District Mohill, Vol 13, pg 264. Neither lists the names of her parents. I found 2 female Mc Kiernan entrances into Castle Garden Immigration Port in 1870: Anne Mc Kiernan, 24, matron, 7 Sept 1870, England, Manhattan Mary Mc Kiernan, 50, matron, 7 Sept 1870, England, Manhattan. Both Ann and Mary are found living in the same household in Paterson, Passaic County, New Jersey, USA in 1880. The head of household is Christopher Mc Kiernan, 58, NJ, insurance broker, parents Ireland. Anne is his wife and Mary is his mother. The Mc Kiernans were one of the oldest Catholic families in Paterson in 1830. The male Mc Kiernans there in 1830 were: Hugh, James, Christopher, Dennis, John, Cornelius, Samuel G. and Terrence. Thank you again for your patience and thoughtfulness of which both are greatly appreciated. I look forward to your comments and expert suggestions. Sincerely, Patricia Montero San Jose, Costa Rica patmontero25@hotmail.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YWC.2ACI/5358.3.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello Patricia, Did you get Catherine's birth location in County Leitrim and her birth date from her civil and church records in the US? Or is County Leitrim the only county where you were provided with an 1864 birth for a Catherine McKiernan? Since Catherine was born in 1864 and went to the US in 1870 when she was 6 she must have emigrated with someone. Was it her parents? If so they should be listed in the US census records with her as well as any other siblings the family may have had at that time. Eilís O'Hara Ireland

I just reviewed the following book, hoping to find some useful info, however, like so many pubs, it only includes the names of landlords and not tenants. While supposedly a 'statistical survey,' there is narry a statistic in it, except for his estimate of the population of the county in 1802. As for suggested improvements, the author makes no specific ones, except for suggesting that farming might be better done, if it followed the practice of England. In any case, I thought I'd pass on a few tidbits which might be of interest to some of you. -as it at least gives a clue of what estate records one might want to reserach, and the book is written about 20 years before an 1820s wave of Protestant exodus. The spelling is as contained in the text. Keep in mind, that the author, as an Englishman in Ireland, has a certain bias. . . Gwen Barry, Nova Scotia Source : James McParlan, M.D., Statistical Survey of the County of Leitrim with Observations on the Means of Improvement Drawn up for the Consideration and by Order of the Dublin Society, Dublin, Graisberry and Campbell, 1802. Sundry notes : - Co. Leitrim, on average is 13-15 miles in breadth. (p. 7) (Didn't give mileage for length) - Mohill barony consists of large tracts of dark, rich soil. (p. 9) - The county was surveyed in 1683 by Sir William Petty. (p. 108) - The size of farms, in general was very small, and "be they ever so small, almost always in common, among a number of tenantry; from twenty to forty and fifty acres. . . of which considerable tracts often belong to those small farms. . .Some few of the landlords begin to subdivide the farms, and deal them out in separate portions to the tenants. "Must and do bear a proportion to the above description of the farms themselves; they are long and narrow, and but too often agree with an ancient, and perhaps, not inaccurate account, written in verse, and called, Western Isle, or Gillo's Feast. It describing Gillo's house, it was said, "At one of th' ends he kept his cows, At th' other end he kept his spouse; On bed of straw, without least grumble, Nay, with delight, did often tumble; Without partition, or a skreen, Or spreading curtain, drawn between, Without concern, exposed they lay, Because it was their country's way; And, when occasion did require, In midst of house a mighty fire, Of black dried earth, and swinging blocks, Was made, enough to roast an ox, Frm whence arose such clouds of smoak, As either you or me would choak; But when the scorching fire burn'd clear, This rolling smoke did disappear. . ." "In fact, this account is too often, to this day, not undescriptive of many of the poor cabins -but truth also requires to declare, that those hovels are getting fewer by degrees; chimneys, partitions, and separate cow-houses, and sometimes a bit of a barn, form the whole extent of the offices." (p. 43-44). "Leases are generally made for 3 lives, or thirty-one years; very few for any longer time, and sometimes but for one life . . ." p. 45. Only 2 farmers in the county had oxen. The rest plow by hand with a hoe. Those who have 4-5 head of cattle, sells them off to buy a horse in spring to harrow and basket out his manure, then sells the horse in the fall, in order to buy a few cattle. (p. 47) The author in his ramblings, talks of Sir William Blackstone, who in his calculations is ever strictly accurate in all his assertions, every one must have, in the tenth collateral degree, 262,144 relations - and at forty degrees upwards of one million ancestors. (This must be based on a certain number of children in every generation -degree) On that basis, the author estimates the population of Co. Leitrim in 1802 to have been 76,630. Based on the number of families in each parish from the books of each individual clergyman, and multiplied by each family by 5 to get his total. (pp. 61-62) (At that rate then, there were 15,326 families, or households in Co. Leitrim in 1802.) The general food was potatoes and oaten bread, with butter and eggs, with great feastings of pork, beef, and mutton at Christmas and Easter. (p. 63) The clothing was remarkably neat, clean, and strong, including a coat of frize, breeches of cordoruy, a fancy waistcoat, hat, shoes, shirt and stocking. (p. 63) Without exception, every father in the county sends his children to a neighbouring school, where they learn to "scrawl a little writing, to read as they are taught, and some of the rules of arithmetic." Some make considerable proficiency in those branches, and turn out smart peddlars, shopkeepers, and dealers. There are some of them now in Dublin, who have realized considerable properties. (p. 68) "Living persons, who saw it, told me, that about one hundred years ago, almost the whole county was a continued undivided forest. From Drumshambo, I used to hear them say, to Drumkerrin, a distance of nine or ten miles, one could travel the whole way, from tree to tree, by the branches. All those must have been burned for fuel of every fort, as the bogs, even at this day, are only begun to be nibbled at, about the edges, for turf." About 30 years ago a spirit of reviving, and renovating the face of the country began, and a registry was kept of the numbers of trees planted. The list included the following : (p. 72-73) Mrs. O'Donnell, Larkfield, 1770, 72,591 trees planted Henry Seily, Esq., Grouse-lodge, 1770, 40,940 Wm. Bailly, Esq., Cavan, 1770, 1,300 Pierce Sympson, Esq., Drumsna, 1774, 10,200 F. Johnston, Esq., Gortomone, 1776, 700 Robert Grogan, ----, 1777, 184 Patrick Cullen, Esq., Skreen, 1777, 1,203 Patrick Cullen, 1780, 1,920 Patrick Cullen, 1781, 6,436 Patrick Cullen, 1791, 1,929 Thomas Law, -, 1795, 978 Con. O'Donnell, Esq., Larkfield, 1797, 1,990 Mary Shanly, -, 1798, 113 James Elliot, -, -, 4,700 trees planted Dromahaire Castle was not built by the O'Rorkes, as stated by Grose, Vol. 2, p. 55, for we find that in 1626, the Duke of Buckingham made a grant to his brother, Sir Edward Villiers, of 6,500 acres of arable land, and 5,114 of wood and bog in the barony of Dromahaire, which had before been granted to the Duke, 5th Jan. 1626. The land was conveyed, by patent, to Sir William Villiers, on the resignation of Robert, Earl of Nithsdale, and his brother James Maxwell, 5 Spet 1628, to hold in capite for the service of one knight's fee, etc etc, the premises being erected into the manor of Dromahare. (p. 87-88) Jamestown Castle, on the banks of the Shannon, was built by Sir Charles Coote in 1623, to whom this town and large estates in Leitrim were granted. It was in the year 1645 taken by the Earl of Carlingford. In 1689, the Enniskilleners took Jamestown under command of Colonel Lloyd, however, the Irish took it back, and the English garrison under Sarsfiled abandoned Jamestown and retreated to Sligo. (p. 90) Castle Longfield : (built by the O'Rorkes) Major Martin Armstrong took possession after the battle of Cavan. He had 2 daughters, one of whom married Mr. Johnston of Ahacashel's ancestor. (p. 90) Castlefore : Between Fenah and Cascargan (Cashcarrigan?) It was built by Colonel Coote towards the middle of the 17th century. (Was destroyed in the rebellion of 1641) LIST OF NOBLEMEN AND GENTLEMEN WHO HAVE LARGE PROPERTIES IN CO. LEITRIM, BUT HAVE NO PLACE OF RESIDENCE THEREIN IN 1802 (Absentee landlords) (p. 110) no locations given. . . Lord Bessborough Lord Clements Lady de Clifford Mr. Clements Mr. Crofton Lord Granard Minor St. George Mr. William Rowley Minor Keon Lord Leitrim Mr. Madden Mr. Carleton (Counsellor) Mr. Tottenham Mr. Wynne Mr. White Rt. Hon. Theophilus Jones Rt. Hon. David Latouche and brothers On page 69, the author also mentioned absentee landlord, Lord & Lady Southwell RESIDENT GENTLEMEN OF PROPERTY - 1802 (p. 111) Lewis Algro at Glanboy Mr. O'Brien at Drumrahan Mr. O'Beirne at Jamestown Robert O'Brien at - Bryan Conyngham at Porte Duke Crofton at Mohill John Carter & brothers at Dromlease Rev. Cullen at Skreeny Mr. Crofton at Lurgan Major Dickson at Woodville John Gore at Woodford Richard Irwin at Drumsalla Counsellor Johnston at Oakfield Robert Johnston at Headaford Robert Johnston at Abacashel Andrew Johnston at Addugold Francis Johnston & brothers at Gortomone John Johnston at Friar's town Mr. Keon at Keonbrook Edward Lawder at Cloverhill Johnston Moreton at ---- Mr. Percy at Garradise Mr. Reynolds at Lettersyan Mr. Simpson at Drumsna Mr. Shanly at Willyfiled On p. 69, he also mentioned resident landlords, Mr. Nesbett, and Mr. Peyton. END

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YWC.2ACI/5298.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: You say "Jane was the mother. The daughter was called Jenny." I'm sorry but that does not matter at all. Names and spellings back then were almost a matter of chance. What you know of the names may not (and in fact probably isn't) what is recorded in any official record. It is always best to look at all possible spellings of a name or you are very likely to miss the one you want. Anyway back to questions. I've been off sick so haven't yet been to the LDS library. 1) You talk of Pat Gallagher at Knockfree or Knockmore, Ardagh parish. Mayo. If you look at the Ireland townland database on the Leitrim-Roscommon web site you will see that neither of these townlands is in Ardagh parish. 2) I asked you about Jane's date of death. How sure are you of this and what is your source? 3) Where did she die? Was this in Knockfree or Knockmore? I am unlikely to get back to the LDS library now until the end of May but if you get back to me by then I will try to at least look up Jane's death. Do you know when Pat died? cheers Jim

Ronda - I'm forwarding your email to the list. I am not related and simply forwarded a message I was sure would be of interest to you. Listers, when replying to a message board post by email, you should copy them in your email to the List. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ronda Glasby <rglasby1971@yahoo.com> Date: May 19, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: [LEITRIM] Gosnell To: Susan Daily <cullivans@gmail.com> Thank you for the info.. Can you tell me, are you a decendent form Levi Newton Gostnell? If so and you would like to share info let me know. Thank You, Ronda Glasby Susan Daily <cullivans@gmail.com> wrote: You may not have seen this answer. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: REBUZNO@aol.com Date: May 16, 2006 5:31 AM Subject: Re: [LEITRIM] Gosnell To: IRL-LEITRIM-L@rootsweb.com Only Gosnell families I can find in Ireland through Griffiths Valuation lived in Co. Cork - two Johns and a William, and the two Johns may actually have been the same man. I tried one or two alternate spellings of the surname but did not get any hits. Cork may be where you should concentrate your efforts. Bill in Virginia

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Daly, Malone, Gallagher Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YWC.2ACI/5298.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi, Jane was the mother. The daughter was called Jenny. I have the children's names and most years. But that is all I have. Thank you for any help Sandy Wire Gallagher

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: mc kiernan, reilly Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YWC.2ACI/5358.3.1 Message Board Post: Dear Elias: I apologize if I was unclear in my query since I do not wish to take much of anyone's time, I am just searching for possible clues in finding my ancestor. These couples are possible parents to my great grandmother. This information was obtained form an 1864 list of all Mc Kiernan births in County Leitrim. Thank you in advance for your time and consideration. Patricia Montero San Jose, Costa Rica patmontero25@hotmail.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YWC.2ACI/5358.3 Message Board Post: Hello Patricia, Perhaps you could explain your posts about the various parents of Catherine McKiernan b. Aug 1864 in Leitrim who emigrated to the US in 1870 and married John Gough prior to 1890. You've posted parents as follows: John McKiernan and Catherine Brannigan John McKiernan and Catherine Finley Michael McKiernan and Catherine Hunt Michael McKiernan and Bridget Owen Michael McKiernan and Ann Gilheany Mary Reilly and Lawrence McKiernan It would not be possible for all these couples to have had the same daughter's birth. Could you clarify the reasons for the various parents listed? Do you know where in County Leitrim she was born? Regards. Eilís O'Hara Ireland

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: mc kiernan, reilly Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YWC.2ACI/5358.1.1 Message Board Post: Rebecca: I do not know which town Mary came from in County Leitrim nor do I have any information on her siblings. Would you please share what you have? Patricia Montero San Jose, Costa Rica patmontero25@hotmail.com