This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dancer1951 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/960.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi You won't find a birth cert for Patrick as Civil Registration of births only commenced in Ireland in 1864. Your only hope is to find a baptismal record. Have you looked for your family on the Irish census of 1901 (www.census.nationalarchives.ie)? If Ellen didn't emigrate until 1910, she should be there. If you find her, you may also find other family members, and most importantly, you will see where they were living. Good luck. Colette Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.