Veronica: Thanks for posting to the Tipp list; I should have, but in my excitement forgot to. Also just cross posted to the Laois list as the Englands that I am looking for lived in Roscrea which goes over into Tipp, Laois and Offaly Mary Anne > > The exchange below might be of interest to someone on the list. > Veronica >> [Original Message] >> From: Veronica Malmberg <[email protected]> >> To: Mary Anne <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; >> <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >> Date: 10/9/2008 8:39:21 AM >> Subject: RE: Irish Englands >> >> Hi Mary Anne, >> Thank you so much for keeping my email on file. I am interested in the >> Benjamin Englands you found. There is also a Benjamin England living in >> Co Laois around this time. Unfortunately the IFHF doesn't have this >> county on line yet. I have only obtained one new record since we last >> communicated. This is also from the IFHF. I don't know if it relates to >> my ancestors or not. >> >> Date of Marriage: 08/02/1842 (I just realized this brings up an issue for >> me. I assume this is February? It would be better if they formatted it as >> 8 Feb, etc.) >> Place of Marriage: Couragneen (Bourney) Co. Tipperary >> Husband: Moses CONNORS Address not recorded Denomination: Roman Catholic >> Wife: Eliza ENGLAND Ashbrook (Does anyone know where this might be?) >> Denomination: Roman Catholic >> Witnesses: John O'MEARA and Sarah LAMB >> None of the info on the parents is recorded >> >> I'll also repeat the other ENGLAND information I have which is on my >> ancestors in case someone else has information about this family. The >> Irish records all say the family was Roman Catholic but when they got to >> England they were Church of England. I did hear that some families were >> coerced to convert during the famine years in return for food, etc. >> >> Date of Marriage: 31/05/1841 >> Place of Marriage Couraganeen (Bourney) Co Tipperary >> Husband: Benjamin ENGLAND Address not recorded Denomination: Roman >> Catholic >> Wife: Catherine BANNAN Asmere Denomination: Roman Catholic >> Witnesses: Danl MEAGHER and Mary LAHY >> No info on parents recorded >> >> Baptism: Margaret ENGLAND >> Date: 24/04/1842 >> Denomination: Roman Catholic >> Father: Benjamin ENGLAND >> Mother: Catherine BANON >> Sponsors: Lawrence COSTIGAN and Anstice KENEDY >> >> Baptism: Ellen ENGLAND >> Date: 18/06/1844 >> Denomination: Roman Catholic >> Father: Benjamin ENGLAND >> Mother: Catherine BANNON >> Sponsors: Dennis DWYER and Eliza DWYER >> >> Baptism: Catherine ENGLAND >> Date: 14/03/1846 >> Denomination: Roman Catholic >> Father: Benjamin ENGLAND >> Mother: Catherine BANNON >> Sponsors: Michl SHEEDY and Judy MADDEN >> >> Veronica >> >> > [Original Message] >> > From: Mary Anne <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; >> > <[email protected]> >> > Date: 10/9/2008 12:49:58 AM >> > Subject: Irish Englands >> > >> > Went online tonight to the Irish family history Association and was >> > doing >> > some research regarding my Hanlons - my great-grandfather Marcus >> > Hanlon's >> > mother was Mary Anne England. Well, I found a treasure trove but also >> > wasted >> > some of my money as what I found won't help me but it might help >> > someone >> > else. >> > >> > This is what I found (by the way, searching the index is free; getting >> > further info will cost you 5 Euro per record) - not all the counties >> > are yet >> > represented. >> > >> > Found the marriage record for my 2x great-grandfather John Norman >> > Hanlon and >> > Mary (Anne) England for May 20, 1840 in St. Cronan's C of I parish in >> > Roscrea (I already had that info). What was new was the listing of >> > witnesses: Richard Whitten and Benjamin England. >> > >> > So, I looked for baptismal/birth records for Benjamin England (vital >> > records >> > don't start until the 1860s except for some Protestant marriages) - I >> > found >> > 2 Benjamin Englands born in Roscrea - and I found one in 1809 and one >> > in >> > 1836. The one born in 1809 would have been the obvious witness as John >> > N. >> > Hanlon was also born 1809. This is what I found: >> > Benjamin England >> > Date of Baptism/birth: 30/07/1809 >> > Address: Ballaghmore Kyle (where Mary Anne was from) >> > Parish/District: Roscrea >> > Gender: Male >> > County: Tipperary >> > Denomination: Church of Ireland >> > Father: Richard England >> > Mother: Elizabeth Harney >> > no names for sponsors >> > Rector: Thomas L'Estrange >> > Notes: Mother's full maiden name: Jane Elizabeth Harney >> > >> > Also found: >> > Civil Birth Record for James Bradfield England >> > Date of Baptism/birth: 11/09/1867 >> > Address; Main Street, Tipperary >> > Parish/District: Tipperary >> > Gender: Male >> > County: Tipperary >> > Denomination: Civil Parish >> > Father: James England >> > Mother: Mary O'Grady >> > Sponsor 1/informant 1: James England >> > Notes: Inf.1: Father >> > >> > Civil Birth Record >> > James England >> > Date of Baptism/date of birth: 18/01/1867 >> > Address: Boherbue >> > Parish/District: Clogheen >> > Gender: Male >> > County: Tipperary >> > Denomination: Civil Parish >> > Father: William England >> > Mother: Eliza Holland >> > Sponsor 1/Informant 1: Hanna Burke >> > Notes: Inf1: (X) >> > >> > Church Baptism Record >> > Mary England >> > Date of Baptism/date of birth: 03/04/1814 >> > Address: not recorded >> > Parish/District: Roscrea >> > Gender: female >> > County: Tipperary >> > Denomination: RC >> > Father: Willam England >> > Mother: Cathrine Dooly >> > Notes: Priest (NR) >> > E ***Nelly >> > 2/6 >> > >> > That is all the information I have for these. >> > >> > Mary Anne >> > >