----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathrine Corcoran" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:29 PM Subject: RE: [LAOIS] House books > Geralyn, > > Are the quarto and tenure books similar to the house and field books? > Which > would be the earliest? > > Thanks, Kay

>> Are the quarto and tenure books similar to the house and field books? >> Which would be the earliest? >> Thanks, Kay Kay, the books vary a great deal by location. You first need to check to see if all the various valuation manuscript books survived and are available for the area of interest to you. The only way of knowing when they were done is to look at the books for your area and see if they are dated. It is sometimes hard to find the dates. I know of no comprehensive list of what is available other than what is in the Family History Library catalog. You really just have to look at the records yourself, which I would say is the first rule of genealogy research anyway. You can't tell what the records are like for a particular area unless you check them. I have looked at some books for some areas in Ireland that have no names of occupiers at all (just descriptions of property). That is not very useful for genealogy purposes. At the other extreme, in some areas, the books contain names of occupiers and are extremely detailed, covering a period of several years before the printed valuation came out, with at least one update. In such cases, you can glean a lot of information about people during Famine times. It is so startling to see references to evictions and the pulling down of dwellings there in black and white - the holding is struck out and the word "Down" written by it, indicating it has been pulled down. When you look at the various manuscript valuation books, it is helpful to have Ouimette's article handy and also the book by James R. Reilly, Richard Griffith and His Valuations of Ireland. You can see a preview of Reilly's book at Google books. I include below a link to p. 31, which explains some of the books you asked about (Quarto, house, etc.): http://books.google.com/books?id=MqAYwjPXVngC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Richard+Griffith+and+His+Valuation+of+Ireland+James+R.+Reilly#PPA31,M1 As it says there, the "tenure books" are actually called perambulation books and sometimes give details about leases. The discussion about perambulation books begins on p. 29 in Reilly's book. You can get to it by paging back from p. 31 at Google books. I also recommend Reilly's book for any one who wants to get more out of the entries in Griffith's Valuation. The Valuation was a complex thing. It was done over many years, and procedures changed when new laws were passed. If you really want to understand the documents you are looking at, you need to know something about them. Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon

Geralyn What is Quimette's article? Thanks Bob ===================================== Geralyn Barry wrote: > <SNIP> > When you look at the various manuscript valuation books, it is helpful to have Ouimette's article handy and also the book by James R. Reilly, Richard Griffith and His Valuations of Ireland. You can see a preview of Reilly's book at Google books. I include below a link to p. 31, which explains some of the books you asked about (Quarto, house, etc.): ... >

hiflyte wrote: What is Quimette's article? > ===================================== > Geralyn Barry wrote: >> <SNIP> >> When you look at the various manuscript valuation books, it is helpful to have Ouimette's article handy and also the book by James R. Reilly, Richard Griffith and His Valuations of Ireland. You can see a preview of Reilly's book at Google books. I include below a link to p. 31, which explains some of the books you asked about (Quarto, house, etc.): ... It is an excellent article by David Ouimette (pronounced WE-MET) about this set of records (House Books, Field Books, Perambulation Books, etc.). The article appeared in Vol. 27, No. 1 (Jan 2006) of The Septs, a publication of the Irish Genealogical Society International (IGSI), based in Minnesota, USA. If you are doing Irish research and aren't a member, you should be, just to get their fine publication, which recently received an award. If you become a member, you can access all the back issues of The Septs online at their website. For more about the article and the records it refers to, see my post to the Laois list of 2/2/2009 titled Re: [LAOIS] House books. It is the post where the first sentence is: Deb, the house and field books are part of the manuscript Valuation records connected with the more well-known printed "Griffith's Valuation". Later in that same post I wrote: I have to make another plug for the IGSI (Irish Genealogical Society International, website at http://www.irishgenealogical.org/): If you are a member, you can now view and download any of the issues of IGSI’s quarterly journal The Septs since the beginning of its publication in 1980! It is a great publication, with many articles written by well-known Irish researchers. So you can read David Ouimette's excellent article yourself online if you join. They are also running a special on membership just now - get 2 others to join with you and you get your membership free! See their website for details and how to go about it. There are many other reasons to join beyond receiving The Septs. They have a wonderful library in Minnesota, and the staff will do lookups for members at a nominal charge. Perhaps several people on the list will want to get together and join... Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon

Geralyn, Your plug for the IGSI worked, I joined the socitey. Will have to look over the site and see what they have. Bob Cdn ============================== Geralyn Barry wrote: <SNIP>I have to make another plug for the IGSI (Irish Genealogical Society International, website at http://www.irishgenealogical.org/): If you are a member, you can now view and download any of the issues of IGSI’s quarterly journal The Septs since the beginning of its publication in 1980! ===============================

Geralyn, Thanks for all the info. Our library has this book and it would be easier for me to read it there. Maybe you could answer another question? If a son-in-law is living with his father-in-law would the s-i-l be counted in Griffiths valuation since he wouldn't be the occupier? Thanks again, Regards, Kay -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Geralyn Barry Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAOIS] Fw: House books >> Are the quarto and tenure books similar to the house and field books? >> Which would be the earliest? >> Thanks, Kay Kay, the books vary a great deal by location. You first need to check to see if all the various valuation manuscript books survived and are available for the area of interest to you. The only way of knowing when they were done is to look at the books for your area and see if they are dated. It is sometimes hard to find the dates. I know of no comprehensive list of what is available other than what is in the Family History Library catalog. You really just have to look at the records yourself, which I would say is the first rule of genealogy research anyway. You can't tell what the records are like for a particular area unless you check them. I have looked at some books for some areas in Ireland that have no names of occupiers at all (just descriptions of property). That is not very useful for genealogy purposes. At the other extreme, in some areas, the books contain names of occupiers and are extremely detailed, covering a period of several years before the printed valuation came out, with at least one update. In such cases, you can glean a lot of information about people during Famine times. It is so startling to see references to evictions and the pulling down of dwellings there in black and white - the holding is struck out and the word "Down" written by it, indicating it has been pulled down. When you look at the various manuscript valuation books, it is helpful to have Ouimette's article handy and also the book by James R. Reilly, Richard Griffith and His Valuations of Ireland. You can see a preview of Reilly's book at Google books. I include below a link to p. 31, which explains some of the books you asked about (Quarto, house, etc.): http://books.google.com/books?id=MqAYwjPXVngC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Richard +Griffith+and+His+Valuation+of+Ireland+James+R.+Reilly#PPA31,M1 As it says there, the "tenure books" are actually called perambulation books and sometimes give details about leases. The discussion about perambulation books begins on p. 29 in Reilly's book. You can get to it by paging back from p. 31 at Google books. I also recommend Reilly's book for any one who wants to get more out of the entries in Griffith's Valuation. The Valuation was a complex thing. It was done over many years, and procedures changed when new laws were passed. If you really want to understand the documents you are looking at, you need to know something about them. Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon ========IRL-LAOIS Mailing List======== Leix/Laois websites: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Leix/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/index.htm Add your Leix/Laois surname to the Surname Registry. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message