Thanks Geralyn. I also had the conflicting info about which barony included Garranbaun so I did search through Upperwoods also without finding it. I'm pretty sure I looked through the whole film but I will check again based on your comment about them being fragmented. If not I guess I will proceed to the other suggested films. I'm interpreting your response to mean that I should find Garranbaun on some film. Veronica > [Original Message] > From: Geralyn Barry <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Cc: IRL-TIPPERARY <[email protected]> > Date: 2/1/2009 3:36:22 PM > Subject: Re: [LAOIS] House Books > > According to the General Alphabetical Index to the Townlands and Towns, etc. [based on the 1851 census], Garranbaun is in the barony of Upperwoods, not Tinnahinch . However, when I actually look at Griffith's, it appears in the barony of Tinnahinch! The fact that the 1851 census and Griffith's classify it in two different baronies leads me to believe there may have been some confusion about where to include it. That would argue for looking for it in both baronies, in the civil parish of Offerlane in either case. [Note: my map shows that the barony boundary does not split Offerlane, so its being in two different baronies is somewhat puzzling, but there could be subtleties to the situation that are not reflected in the maps, which are not very exact and are static in time.] > > > Before you check Offerlane, however, have you looked at all possible films on which parts of Tinnahinch appear? These records can be somewhat fragmented, so you might need to consult several films. You also might need to look through the entire film to make sure another part of Tinnahinch doesn't appear again at a different place on the film. As I said, these records are fragmented. > > > If you have done all that and still have not found it, I would try Upperwoods (which is on the same film in some cases) and do the same thing (checking the entire film on all films). These appear to be the relevant films: > > > House books, v. 2921(continued from Thomastown) v. 2922; v. 2923 - v. 2931, County Leitrim, Baronies of Carrigallen, Dromahaire, Leitrim, Roselogher and Mohill; v. 2932 - v. 2952 (to p. 70), Queen's County, Baronies of Cullenagh, Upperwoods, Tinnahinch and Clandonagh, Towns of Durrow, Graigue and Maryborough FHL BRITISH Film 2355799 > > > House books, v. 2952 (from p. 70) - v. 2968, Queen's County, Baronies of Maryborough, Tinnahinch, Portnahinch and Clandonagh FHL BRITISH Film 2355817 > > > Field books, Queen's County, Barony of Portnahinch -- Lea; Barony of Slievemargy -- Cloydagh, Killabban, Killeshin, Rathaspick, Shrule, Sleaty; Barony of Stradbally -- Ballyadams, Curraclone, Dysartenos, Fossy or Timahoe, Kilteale, Moyanna, Stradbally, Timogue, Tullomoy; Barony of Tinnahinch -- Castlebrack, Kilmanman, Rearymore, Rosenallis; Barony of Upperwoods -- Offerlane FHL BRITISH Film 2357656 > > > Field books, Queen's County, Barony of Upperwoods -- Offerlane; County Roscommon, Barony of Athlone -- Cam, Drum, Dysart, Fuerty, Killinvoy, Kilmeane, Kiltoom, Rahara, St. John's, St. Peter's, Taghboy, Taghmaconnell, Tisrara; Barony of Ballintober North -- Kilglass FHL BRITISH Film 2357657 > > > Field books, Queen's County, Barony of Ballyadams -- various parishes; Barony of Clandonagh -- various parishes; Barony of Clarmallagh -- various parishes; Barony of Cullenagh -- various parishes; Barony of Maryboro East -- various parishes; Barony of Portnahinch -- various parishes; Barony of Slievemargy -- various parishes; Barony of Stradbally -- various parishes; Barony of Tinnahinch -- various parishes; Barony of Upper Woods -- various parishes VAULT BRITISH Film 1408709 Items 4 - 13 > > > Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon > > Veronica Malmberg wrote: > > Would one expect to find a House and Field Book for each townland in existence in the mid 1800s? I was hoping to find one for Garranbaun which is in Laois but near Roscrea near the Tipperary border. I rented LDS film 2355799 which contained the Barony of Tinnihinch . For Tinnihinch the only town was Clonaslee. I didn't see any other film in the library catalogue that might have been more appropriate. Perhaps the LDS have not filmed all of the books. Can someone shed more light on the House Books. I may just be confused. Thanks. > > Veronica >

Veronica, I think it best to proceed on the assumption that Garranbaun (aka Garranbawn) is there somewhere. It was over 1200 acres, so a pretty big townland, even though not many people appear there in Griffith's. If you look at the current valuation online at http://www.valoff.ie/search/search.asp (select County: Laois and put Garranbawn in for the townland, then hit the "Submit" button) you will see the modern entries, which are no longer listed by barony but rather by District and Electoral Division. You never know which records might have gotten lost over the years... but it seems more likely to me that you will find Garranbaun in another place on the film you already have for Tinnahinch or on one of the other films for the same barony. A similar thing sometimes happens with the Tithe Applotments. When I don't find what I'm looking for in the jurisdiction where I expected it to be, I start looking in adjacent jurisdictions and usually find it. So you have looked at only one of the films for the barony of Tinnahinch so far? If it's not on that one (out of order maybe - I seem to recall that towns are sometimes listed separately from rural areas located in the same jurisdiction) then you will probably find it on the other film for Tinnahinch. If not, I would try Upperwoods next. If you don't find it there, there might be a slim possibility that it was included in records from the other side of the border, since Garranbaun lies on the border with Kings County (Offaly). I have seen it happen with the Ordnance Survey Name Books (discussions of place names for the border area of one county appearing among those of the adjacent county), but I can't say that I've ever seen it with Valuation records. And since the barony of Tinnahinch didn't cross the county border, I would think it unlikely. You'd think there would at least be some consistency for all records associated with the Valuation, i.e., a given townland should appear in the same jurisdictions across all records associated with the Valuation - Griffith's, house books, field books, revision lists, etc. But perhaps not. So I would exhaust the possibilities for Tinnahinach before trying Upperwoods. There is also the possibility that part of Tinnahinch is on some other film for Laois but did not make it into the description in the FHL catalog. That sometimes happens too. After exhausting known films for Tinnahinch and Upperwoods, I would then try to find another listing of the available house books. I haven't seen any myself, but I haven't really looked. Maybe there is a listing that is independent of the FHL descriptions at the valuation office website or the National Archives or in the National Library of Ireland catalog. Geralyn Veronica Malmberg wrote: > Thanks Geralyn. I also had the conflicting info about which barony > included Garranbaun so I did search through Upperwoods also without finding > it. I'm pretty sure I looked through the whole film but I will check again > based on your comment about them being fragmented. If not I guess I will > proceed to the other suggested films. I'm interpreting your response to > mean that I should find Garranbaun on some film. > Veronica