This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DaveBoylan Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2805.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Jim, I'm not a descendant of the Delaneys and Haslams, but I located the marriage index for Michael Delaney and Ellen "Haslem" at the Irish Family History Foundation (IFHF) website for County Laois. The homepage for the IFHF can be found at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/ The index shows that Michael and Ellen were married in the Mountrath Catholic Church in the year 1858, which is the year you have for their marriage. The index follows: 1 match for the search criteria: Delaney (plus variants) Michael 1858 Parish: MOUNTRATH (RC) The cost to view the full details of the 1 record that you have not yet viewed is ?5.00 Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Laois Surname: Delaney First Name: Michael Spouse's Surname: Halsam Spouse's First Name: Ellen Father's Surname: Father's First Name: Mother's Surname: Mother's First Name: Year: 1858 Parish/District: MOUNTRATH (RC) ____ If you haven't used this website before you'll have to first register to access the indexes. Registration is free. Once you find an index you can purchase a transcription for 5 Euros each, payable by credit card. Once the credit card payment is received, a transcription, not a copy of the original record, will be sent to your computer. You'll also be able to purchase a group of birth and baptism transcriptions from the IFHF for a reduced cost when they are purchased altogether from a single index. I'll have more information about this later. In the marriage index above for Michael and Ellen, you'll notice spaces for the names of Michael's parents. If you don't know the names of the parents, you have to guess or leave the spaces blank, as I did. The transcription of the marriage may, or may not include the names of Michael's and Ellen's parents. You would have to order the transcription to find out. I also uncovered the baptism indexes for three children of the Delaneys. In one of these indexes however, Ellen's first name is Eleanor. I had to guess at that name to up come with the index. This is for the 1860 baptism index for Patrick. The other two baptism indexes are for "Winfred" (1859), and "Cath" (1863). All of the children were baptized in the Borris-In-Ossory Catholic Church. I also located the civil birth index for Edward Delaney. His birth was recorded in the Borris-In-Ossory (CP), that is, Civil Parish, in 1865 The four indexes for the Delaney children follow: 1 match for the search criteria: Delaney (plus variants) Winfred 1859 Parish: BORRIS IN OSSORY (RC) The cost to view the full details of the 1 record that you have not yet viewed is ?5.00 Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Laois Surname: Delaney First Name: Winfred Father's Surname: Delaney Father's First Name: Michael Mother's Surname: Halsam Mother's First Name: Ellen Year: 1859 Parish/District: BORRIS-IN-OSSORY (RC) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Delaney (plus variants) Patrick 1860 Parish: BORRIS IN OSSORY (RC) The cost to view the full details of the 1 record that you have not yet viewed is ?5.00 Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Laois Surname: Delaney First Name: Patrick Father's Surname: Delaney Father's First Name: Michael Mother's Surname: Halsam Mother's First Name: Eleanor Year: 1860 Parish/District: BORRIS-IN-OSSORY (RC) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Delaney (plus variants) Cath 1863 Parish: BORRIS IN OSSORY (RC) The cost to view the full details of the 1 record that you have not yet viewed is ?5.00 Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Laois Surname: Delaney First Name: Cath Father's Surname: Delaney Father's First Name: Michael Mother's Surname: Haslam Mother's First Name: Ellen Year: 1863 Parish/District: BORRIS-IN-OSSORY (RC) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Delaney (plus variants) Edward 1865 Parish: BORRIS-IN-OSSORY (CP) The cost to view the full details of the 1 record that you have not yet viewed is ?5.00 Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Laois Surname: Delaney First Name: Edward Father's Surname: Delaney Father's First Name: Michael Mother's Surname: Halsam Mother's First Name: Ellen Year: 1865 Parish/District: BORRIS-IN-OSSORY (CP) ____ If the four transcriptions were ordered individually, you would pay 20 Euros. But, you can order all four of the transcriptions from one index for 12 Euros. To do this however, you will need to access the index just as you see it below, without the first names and dates of birth for the children, without their mother's first name (as it is not the same in all the indexes), and without the name of the Parish ir District. The index is below: 4 matches for the search criteria: Delaney (plus variants) The cost to view the full details of the 4 records that you have not yet viewed is ?12.00 Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Laois Surname: Delaney First Name: Father's Surname: Delaney Father's First Name: Michael Mother's Surname: Halsam Mother's First Name: Year: Parish/District: ____ Next, I found a baptism index for an Ellen Haslam recorded in 1840. This is the only index for an Ellen Haslam I could find who would have been old enough to marry in 1858. But, just from this record alone, I can't be 100 percent sure this is your Ellen Haslem As an example, four abbreviated baptism indexes for Ellen Haslams/Haslems are below. Two of these Ellens were baptized in the 1860s, while one was baptized in 1870, and one, as noted above, baptized in 1840. This search included all of the years of the 19th century: Church Baptism Haslem Ellen 1840 Co. Laois Church Baptism Haislem Ellen 1866 Co. Laois Civil Birth Haslam Ellen 1866 Co. Laois Civil Birth Haslam Ellen Mary 1870 Co. Laois ____ Next is the expanded 1840 baptism index for Ellen Haslam, showing that her baptism took place in the Portlaoise Catholic Church. Portlaoise was also known as Maryborough. I made several guesses as to her father's first name. The IFHF search engine accepted the name John for her father's name: 1 match for the search criteria: Haslam (plus variants) Ellen 1840 Parish: PORTLAOISE (RC) The cost to view the full details of the 1 record that you have not yet viewed is ?5.00 Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Laois Surname: Haslam First Name: Ellen Father's Surname: Haslam Father's First Name: John Mother's Surname: Mother's First Name: Year: 1840 Parish/District: PORTLAOISE (RC) ____ I again accessed the marriage index for Michael Delaney and Ellen Haslem, using Ellen as the primary marriage partner, that is, the first one listed in the search engine, to see if the marriage record accepted her father's name as John. The search engine rejected the name. This is an indication that the parents of Michael and Ellen aren't mentioned in the marriage, though I recently purchased a marriage transcription from the IFHF where only the parents' last names were given, which was no help at all. Again, the marriage transcription will show you if the parents of Michael and Ellen are listed. I also searched for a baptism index for Michael Delaney for the 1825-1845 time period in Laois. The search turned up 64 possibilities, too many to venture a guess as to which is your Michael Delaney. GRIFFITHS VALUATION The index above for Ellen Haslem shows her baptism took place in Porlaoise, which, as also noted, was called Maryborough. I next wanted to see if there was a man named John Haslam/Haslem recorded in an Irish property tax record known as Griffiths Valuation, in Portlaoise or Maryborough. Griffiths Valuation shows a John Haslem/Haslem enumerated twice in the townland Maryborough, Civil Parish of Borris, County Laois. I believe the two references to a John Haslam actually refer to the same individual. The Valuation can be accessed for free at the askaboutireland website link at: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/laoisrc.htm There's the possibility that the John Haslam in Griffiths Valuation was Ellen's father, though I can't be completely sure of that.. Griffiths Valuation differs from a census in that this land record only counted those persons leasing property who were called "Occupiers," as well as people who leased property to the occupiers, called "Immediate Lessors." An Immediate Lessor could be the owner of the property, or an individual who acted on behalf of the owner. The family members of the Occupier are not listed in Griffiths Valuation. The first entry for John Haslam in Griffiths Valuation is below: No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 34 Civil Parish: Borris Townland: Maryborough Occupier: John Haslam Immediate Lessor: Edward Walsh Description of Tenement: Land Area of Land: 1 Acres: 3 Roods: 0 Perches: Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 1 Pound, 15 Shillings Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 1 Pound, 15 Shillings ____ Griffiths Valuation shows that John Haslam had leased a little over an acre of land in Martborough from an Immediate Lessor named Edward Walsh. The value of the land was 1 Pound and 15 Shillings, which is also the total valuation of the property. John Haslam would have paid a percentage of the 1 Pound and 15 Shillings toward the payment of taxes. At the top of the Griffiths entry is Map No. 34. This refers to an Ordnance Survey Map coordinate showing Maryborough and the location of John Haslam's leasehold. You'll notice that the Griffiths entry above doesn't include the lease of house. This is an indication that any other entry for a John Haslam in Maryborough, would pertain to the same individual. On the same page as John Haslam, at Map No. 16, is a Griffiths Valuation entry for a Thomas Haslam, who owned over 7 acres of land valued at 4 Pounds, 5 Shillings. The Immediate Lessor is listed as "Free," meaning that no Immediate Lessor had control of the property, and that Thomas was, in effect, squatting in the house. Also on the same page, at Map No. 42d is a Thomas Delany, and at Map No. 46, a Patrick Delaney. Both Delanys had leased land in Maryborough. Either one of these Delaneys may have been related to Michael Delany. The next entry for John "Haslem" in Griffiths Valuation shows that he leased a house in Minister's Lane, Maryborough, from an Immediate Lessor named Edward Cullen. The house was valued at 16 Shillings. The location of the house on the Ordnance Survey Map for Minister's Lane is number 3. The entry follows: No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 3 Civil Parish: Borris Townland: Maryborough Street: Minister's Lane Occupier: John Haslem Immediate Lessor: Edward Cullen Description of Tenement: House Area of Land: Acres: Roods: Perches: Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 16 Shillings ____ MORE DELANYS IN GRIFFITHS VALUATION Earlier it was shown that a Thomas and a Patrick Delany had leased property in Maryborough. Including these individuals, there are a total of 20 Delanys listed in Griffiths Valuation leasing property in Maryborough. One of these is a Michael Delaney, who leased a house, outbuildings and garden from an Immediate Lessor named Thomas Parnell at Map No. 27f. You'll see all the Delanys as well as the two Halems/Haslams in Maryborough, in Griffiths Valuation, by accessing the askaboutireland website link noted earlier. For more information about Griffiths Valuation, go to the following: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/reading-room/history-heritage/irish-genealogy/what-is-griffiths-valuati/ I hope this information has been helpful. Best Wishes Jim, Dave Boylan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.