This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnnetteCode Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2819.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: sent by email. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnnetteCode Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2818.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: One thing about familysearch is there are a few gaps, when it first started there were gaps as the RC didn't get fully involved in the civil registrations so that explains the first two years of implementation. When was the last child born, did she have kids every two years and stopped when widowed? That may be able to narrow down a year? One thing is if you have close to a decent year, you can apply to the www.groireland.ie and they will do a bit of research. You will need to read their guidelines, seems to my memory 5 years around a date??? Annette Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mre62168 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2808.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you Eileen I know the bare facts about Con . In fact I visited his grave in Emo onmy tripeland in April and have written to his surviving son Kevin, I have also contacted the Irish Jockey club, but had no reply. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maggiedooley Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2819/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi annette i would be grateful for the site you mentioned my email is margaretdotdooley at yahoo dot co dot uk thank you for your time maggie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnnetteCode Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2808.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I've never done so much reading online about horse racing in Ireland and its history. The 1920's is when I thought Cornelius may have been at his height in racing. What type of horse racing appears to be a question before looking further. There are photo's of the 1920's horse racing scene at the National Library of Dublin's catalogue and you can make the pics bigger but didn't see any named Riordan. There are lots of webpages about horse racing in general and its history, books are available through a variety of websites but books are better seen in person to judge the content. You asked about family. In the 1901 Census and 1911 Census there are Cornelius Riordans of the right ages but most were from Cork, 1 Antrim, Kerry and Wexford. The Heath operated as famous racing stable by Charles Blake who came from Mayo, in 1920, 1931, 1938 Col. A.J.Blake was the leading trainer. The Heath as a place name was changed officially to Portlaois. The Blake family no longer own the property. The Heath is still used. There must be Newspapers that would have information in their archives and although I tried a few, the only Cornelius Riordan was charged with theft - Nick Reddan's Newspaper extract www.irishxpat.com is about horseracing perhaps you could contact them about where to look for Archives. There maybe a special place they are kept. www.goracing.ie (Cornelius is a common first name in Cork but not elsewhere) Annette Code The Heath is mentioned as a townland in the Griffith Valuation as being in Tipperary N. Riding, Union of Thurles, Parish of Thurles. The south of Queen's/Laois borders Tipperary N. www.familysearch.org has births and marriages from 1864 to the 1950's none of the Cornelius Riordan's born in 1898 appear to be from Queens/Laois another source: A Foundation of Irish Genealogy Offices. There are 6 Cornelius Riordan's born between 194 and 1902, Cork 1898, Offaly 1898; also Kerry 1896, 1894 & 1902 Cork. After marrying Kathleen in 1930 did they have children, if so what are their names. This may help identify parents. www.familysearch.org: There is a marriage of a Cornelius Reardon (sp) registered Jan-March, 1930 Mountmellick, Queen's/Laois #Vol3 Pg.321,#4199368 (a marriage record should contain his father and wife's father's name) This maybe a child Mary Riordan(sp)registered birth Jul-Sept 1930 mo: Keeshan Vol.3, Pg. 235 #4195646 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dancer1951 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2816.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Annette I'd be very interested in that 99% free site you mentioned and would be grateful for the address. My email cmcororke at hotmail dot com. Thanks in advance. Colette Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maggiedooley Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2818/mb.ashx Message Board Post: thanks Annette i dont really mind not getting a death cert for james i was really trying to find out where they were married i thought if i had their marriage cert it would tell some information on their parents. I think james died in ireland as mary was widowed in the census irish 1901 and her sons went to new monkland near airdrie to work in the pits i have tried family search but cant find much thanks again for the information maggie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is for people who are researching their ancestors in and around the parish of Killabban (Arles) in County Laois. The following was published in the Nationalist and Leinster Times, June 1890. Memorial to the men of '98. "Croppy Hole, 1798" The foundation stone laid at Carlow-Graigue in 1890. The Following Deputations Attended:- Arles, Ballylinan And Killeen National League: - Joseph Purcell, Laurence McLoughlin, John Byrne, Michael Byrne, Joseph Dempsey, Nicholas Bolger, Edward Fenlon, B. Duggan, T. Nolan, J. McDonald, J. Kelly, M. Deegan, W. Kelly, M. Dunne, T. Scully, T. Ryan, J. Lawlor, M. Deegan, T. Burke, M. Brennan, J. Haydon, J. McDarby, J. Kavanagh, P. Byrne, Mathew Byrne, J. Brennan, (Woodlands); Denis Lawler, P. Coogan. Arles Gaelic Club:- T. Fenlon, P. Costigan, J. Mooney, P. Murphy, P. Price, M. White, J. Dunne, E. Byrne, J. Scully, J. Nolan, J. Scully, M. Scully, T. McDarby, J. Brennan, J. McEvoy, P. Storey, J. Fahy, W. Fahy, J. White, J. Tobin, J. Coogan, J. Nolan, G. Coffey, M. King, T. Farrell, J. Farrell, J. Kane, J. Browne, P. McEvoy, J. Costigan, W. Murphy, G. Cooper, P. Coady, W. Coady, M. Deegan, T. Burke, J. Murphy, P. Byrne, W. Nolan. Killabbin Gaelic Club:- Peter Moore (Captain), Dominick Moore, Joseph Lawler (red), William Lawler, Hugh Lawler, Peter Gorman, Pat Gorman, Thomas Gorman, Michael Gorman, James Julian, James Muldowney, Pat Walsh, James Walsh, Peter Byrne, Peter Warren, Nicholas Connolly, Michael Keefe, Michael Kelly, Christy Barron, James Deegan, John Moore, William Dunne, Bernard Moore, Thomas Whelan, Martin Hurley, Pat Gorman, John Moore, Pat Walsh, Dan Kavanagh, Michael Lawless, Tim Murphy, Edward Murphy, Edward Connolly, Michael Abbin, Richard Warren, Michael Foley, John Foley, Pat Dooley, Joseph Dooley, Joseph Lawler (long), Pat Byrne, Laurence Byrne, Pat Kelly, and Larry Ryan. Regards Michael Brennan Carlow/Graiguecullen website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Site_index.htm My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnnetteCode Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2817.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There are two free sites for civil registration 1864 Ireland. www.familysearch.org (1864-1955 at least) and another 99% free website with 'Irish Civil Registrations' (1864-1911 at least). Rootsweb doesn't allow use of their definition of free on the message board. You might try just googling or you can contact me for the website. codeannette@yahoo.ca Annette Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnnetteCode Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2816.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hope you don't mind my jumping in here. Clonbrock is in both Galway and Offaly and Queens. www.familysearch.org should have the death if he died after 1864. The Union/Civil Registration District for Clonbrock Queens is Carlow, for Clonbrock Galway its Mountbellow, Offaly is Edenderry. There are 468 James Tobin deaths in Ieland on familysearch, but not knowing his approximate birth year was unable to find it myself. I'm with using the Foundation even if its costs a bit, you can spread out your purchases over a period of time. Once you have a date you can apply for a certified copy (after 1864) of the civil record from the General Registry Office www.groireland.ie but don't know what advantage having a certified copy is unless its really important. There is possibly another free search available depending on the year of this death is a commercial website which is 99% free info but posted by a person doing genealogy for a living. The Irish Civil Registrations go up to about 1911 at least for deaths. Pages and pages of them. I tried a surname search but it came back no record but I didn't enter a county and that might of made a difference. As this site is considered commercial by rootsweb I can't give you the name on the message board, personally the quick fix, less work option would work for me. Annette Code codeannette@yahoo.ca Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnnetteCode Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2803.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I agree but that isn't the way with Ireland. If you look you can find a letter from the auditor general about 5-6 years ago after reviewing what had happened to the grants for ancestry tourism. The idea being the grants would be given to the county and they were to set up if didn't have already a genealogy office with a archivist, collect records and have them available for free to visiting tourists. The catch being you had to travel to Ireland to get them. This is not what happened the counties took the money, did the development, collected the materials and then had a policy of 'cost recovery' to pay the archivist. This was extremely expensive 350Euro was my first estimate. His recommendation was that all the information collected with government funded grants should be given to public libraries. At one time I tried to get a petition going of all the 'gene' people online but it never took off. I think we will need to agree to disagree about the subject, perhaps it should be free to Irish residents since it is their resource. I agreed about the date but age, isn't that obvious by the date? or did I miss something. Annette Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnnetteCode Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2803.1.1.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I agree it could be expensive if you don't have a general idea of the dates you need. I don't mention the name as the administrators for the board take off any postings that give a direct reference to the name, it is fee paying and works out to under $8.00 US,CA or Auz each. If a family of 8 you get a reduced price. Which if you are not able to travel to Ireland is a bargain. Not that travelling to Ireland will make any difference in finding Parish Registers. The Clery are generally uncooperative. The CofI Representative Library is the only one stop free place to look for parish registers, along with the National Library, both need personal research. Most of the counties now have both mother and father if they are known to help with getting the right people. Having done both forms of research both travelling and personal research and using the Foundation website and believe me the Foundation is worth the cost unless you want to have a FABULOUS holiday in Ireland. For me even if I spent 100E it wouldn't equal the flight $1000.seat sale, accommodation minimum 5da. $500. either a car rental or train/bus $500. and of course food $40. a day if you are lucky. $2200 vs. $500. hmm. The chances of getting parish records from an RC church - small-nil. Annette Code Canada Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MKomoa Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2803.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: They are expensive - I just tried them out after seeing a recent posting and spent EUR 200 in 4 hours! But I did solve several family "mysteries", so reasonably happy. But I have hired Irish genealogists in the past who would have worked out cheaper. My main bugbear is that they don't display the age in the search returns. I could have halved my costs if they did - but that's commercialism for you. ScotlandsPeople do show ages, so you can eliminate records you don't need to purchase to view. Otherwise, it is just as expensive. My bugbear there is that they are public records and are funded by mine and other's taxes - so should be free, just like the Irish censues. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnnetteCode Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2803.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I agree it could be expensive if you don't have a general idea of the dates you need. I don't mention the name as the administrators for the board take off any postings that give a direct reference to the name, it is fee paying and works out to under $8.00 US,CA or Auz each. If a family of 8 you get a reduced price. Which if you are not able to travel to Ireland is a bargain. Not that travelling to Ireland will make any difference in finding Parish Registers. The Clery are generally uncooperative. The CofI Representative Library is the only one stop free place to look for parish registers, along with the National Library, both need personal research. Most of the counties now have both mother and father if they are known to help with getting the right people. Having done both forms of research both travelling and personal research and using the Foundation website and believe me the Foundation is worth the cost unless you want to have a FABULOUS holiday in Ireland. For me even if I spent 100E it wouldn't equal the flight $1000.seat sale, accommodation 5 da. $500. either a car rental or train/bus $500. and of course food $40. a day if you are lucky. $2200 vs. $500. hmm. The chances of getting parish records from an RC church - nil. Annette Code Canada Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: stephbrady73 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2803.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Agreed, its very expensive and I have not used the site as a result. Tried to give them the feedback recently at an open day and it didn't go down well!! I suggested that more people would view more records, and they would probably make even more money as a result. Have just had a look at Scotlands People and I agree, much more reasonable Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rm_anc Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2803.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You must be discussing the "Irish Family History Foundation (I.F.H.F.) @ http://www.rootsireland.ie/index.php?id=home It is a pay site and expensive to view records. They do not allow enough inputs to establish a bonafide output, Surname/Given/year. It costs £5.00 per record and without additional details it could cost you a bundle. They do allow you to input Fathers Surname/First name which helps but again in Ireland the same Given names are so common it is still a guess. They should allow more fields to input data. For this reason I am reluctant to pay out money. If the setup was similar to Scotlandspeople.com then it would be a better deal Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maggiedooley Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2817/mb.ashx Message Board Post: thanks colette i think i picked the wrong james and mary as its 1938 marriage a bit disapointed as there was nothing in the parents box or witness box iam still very new to all this family research although i have got back to 1750 on both my mothers sides using scotland people which is great site and much cheaper than the irish site thanks again for your information maggie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnnetteCode Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2813.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In the Laois online telephone directory there are 6 Dwyer's and 11 Downey's, perhaps a few letters would give you some local history of these families. Annette Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnnetteCode Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2813.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Foundation database bmd for Queens/Laois: Andrew Dwyer, 1733, 1832, 1879 Thomas Dwyer, 1770, 1835, 1840, 1844, 1854, 1860 John Dwyer, 1822, 1827, 1831, 1835, 1843, 1860 35 Dwyer's occupying land in 1851, these are in the Parish of Rathaspick, Townland of Shanragh Denis, John, Patrick. Dwers in Parish of Rathaspick, Townland of Crissary Thomas Dwyer None Wolfhill. Wolfhill is a Townland in the Parish of Rathaspick, Union of Athy. But no Downey or Dwyer of that townland in 1851. There is a marriage for Andew Dwyer 1868 also a marriage 1868 - civil only for Mary Dwyer in 1868. It was not unusual to marry cousins, including 1st. cousins at these times and well into the 1900's in the US as well. If RC the permission for a 1st. cousin was by dispensation of the church. Catherine Downey's born 2 x 1826, 1828, 1835, 1837, 1859, 1869. Annette Code Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnnetteCode Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2814.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There are both Fennell's and Hutchinson's in the 1851 Griffith Valuations in the Parish of clonenagh & Clongheen but also in Parish Killeshin, Craigue these can be seen at www.askaboutireland.ie and www.failteromhat.com There are no Fennell/Fennelly's in the commercial directories but 35 Huchinson's mostly dates 1881, 1894 A Foundation of irish county genealogy offices has Queens/Laois as a member. There are 17 John Fennel born between 1820-1900 and marriages from 1823-1898, those before 1850 are 1823, 1825, 2 x 1826 Couldn't find a Biddy Hutchinson but there are plenty. Elizabeth Hutchinson married 1821 and a Maria 1826. There is a marriage of an Esther Fennel 1821, but no birth records. The Parish of Mountrath records of birth from 1823-1902 marriages from 1827-1899; Doonane 1814-1899 possibilities for parish records: www.censusfinder.com United Kingdom Ireland County www.igp-web.com County Annette Code Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.