Family DILLIN, Joseph b. 1796 in Laoighis, Ireland m. Alice Elizabeth Braithwaite b.abt. 1800 England. Children: Ann b. Oct 6 1819 Queenstown, County Cork Ireland Elizabeth b. ?? Hannah b. ?? Arthur b. ?? George b. June 29, 1828, Queens County Ireland Sohia b. ?? Charlotte b. 1832 Canada Maria b. 1836 Underhill, Chittendon County VT USA Joseph b. July 2 1837 Underhill, Chittendon County VT USA Thanks for all the help in advance Roberta drsahr@compufort.com

Born 1826 or 28 in Ballinakill, County Laois. Son of John Dooley and Mary Feen. Sisters and brothers: John b 1824, James b 1829, Mary b 1831, Catherine b 1833. Michael came to USA in 1849, supposedly departed from Cork, port of arrival is unknown, and settled in Illinois. Where do I go from here? Needed are departure date/port, arrival date/port. And a bunch of other things, but this will do for now. I have information that descendants of his siblings may still live in County Laois but have been unable to contact them, or receive a response. Are there any Dooleys out there with a Ballinakill connection who can help solve the mystery? Thanks

Hi, I am trying to find any information on Joseph LEECH b. c 1820 who married Catharine FITZGERALD b. c. 1820. I understand they were married on 8 Sep 1845 in "Clonenagh,0006,Laoighis, Ireland" Further paperwork indicates Joseph was Episcopalian and Catharine was Roman Catholic. They emigrated to GA in the USA in 1854 and Joseph died of Yellow Fever in the next year. Catharine moved to Charleston, SC with her children, Mary and Thomas Henry LEECH and the name became LEITCH. Can anyone direct as to how to find further information on this marriage or these families? Thanks for any assistance. Pat

Acres, Roods and perches........... areas no - not a home.....though what exactly I'm not sure - in some instances more jsut a shed....... probably same Joseph......... You won't get the maps you are lookiing for anywhere out there on the web.....closest would be the regular current OS maps Discovery Series 1: 50,000 You'd need No. 60 to show where you're at here.... They're OK those maps are......no townlands marked but you get an idea of the layout of where everywhere is - I'm not too sure that the land office copy the Griffiths maps any more - those maps show changes of ownership from one person to another and changes in land - if it was divided up again or not and as far as I know they cost a packet just for ewach one...... But - then again - that's only hearsay. I know the land record office have begun charging somethiong like £12 for each search - and I heard that they don't copy some maps any more. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene Lee" <Irene_Lee@ngchak.org> To: <IRL-LAOIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 19 June 2000 16:42 Subject: Griffith Valuation > I have just received the microfilms for the Aghaboe and Abbeyleix parish > areas. Can anyone help me understand the

I've got a lot of Laois records and no mention of the surname Grattan in them at all other than as a street in Mountrath. when I checked the name in an old telephone directory - the name only turns up as Grattan stores in Portlaois town - so I guess there's a Grattan street there as well........... From that - if I was looking for people of the surname - I'd begin with the Tithes for those two areas - Mountrath is only a few miles away from, P'Laois........... Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jellomo@aol.com> To: <IRL-LAOIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 19 June 2000 18:28 Subject: can someone help > I need some help trying to pinpoint where in Queens Co...Laois my Grattans > were from. > Katherine was born in 1812 and we believe that she had a brother named > Michael and a sister named Elizabeth. They came into New Brunswick Canada > from Queens Co, Ireland. There are several Grattans all from Queens, about 6 > or 7 of them but most came at different times. > Does anyone have suggestions as to how to find out where in Queens they were > from? > It is spelt either Grattan or Gratton > Jennee:-) > > > ==== IRL-LAOIS Mailing List ==== > > >

there are a lot of pre 1831 parish records still extant for each and every county in the country. however, you aren't going to find them on line and Laois is covered by about 4 Dioceses. You need to check out the areas in the county that you find the surname Hayes in and from there begin to check out what records are remaining for parishes in that area. one way of doing this is to find sks who will check the Griffiths valuation for you and tell you which civil parishes the surname was found in Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorne Saunders" <dornes@ozemail.com.au> To: <IRL-LAOIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 19 June 2000 15:46 Subject: RECORDS INTAKE? > Would SKS please advise as to whether or not Parish records from around > C1831 are still intake or were they in fact burnt in fire as I have been led > to believe? > I am trying to trace an Ancestor ELIZABETH HAYES born QUEENS COUNTY about > 1831, and her twin sister MARY HAYES. Both girls came to Australia at the > age of 18 years old in 1849. > dornes@ozemail.com.au > Regards, > Dorne Saunders (Australia) > > > ==== IRL-LAOIS Mailing List ==== > > >

for those not understanding the Griffiths Valuation a good explanation is given at the following site. I checked it just now and it was working. www.familytreemaker.com/30_griff.html CSMith

I need some help trying to pinpoint where in Queens Co...Laois my Grattans were from. Katherine was born in 1812 and we believe that she had a brother named Michael and a sister named Elizabeth. They came into New Brunswick Canada from Queens Co, Ireland. There are several Grattans all from Queens, about 6 or 7 of them but most came at different times. Does anyone have suggestions as to how to find out where in Queens they were from? It is spelt either Grattan or Gratton Jennee:-)

Discovery Series 1-86 and Ord Sur maps 1/2 # 2-25 are available for $8.00 US plus $1.00 for shipping and postage for first map and .50 for each additional from Irish Genealogical Society, Intl. P.o. box 16585 St. Paul , Minn 55116 or check their website www.rootsweb.com/~irish/index.html Charlotte Smith Of course they are available in Ireland at Ordnance Survey Office, Phoenix Park, Dublin 8 phone 01 8206100 for about L5.00 punts which equals about $6.00 US plus postage and handling.

I have just received the microfilms for the Aghaboe and Abbeyleix parish areas. Can anyone help me understand the columns? In particular, what do the letters A, R, P mean? I know that one of these columns indicates how many acres were being farmed and how many were being rented, but I can't figure which is which. What exactly was an "office"? was it a word for home? Also, I am searching for the Bolger family. I find only 5 or six entries and a couple of them have the same name. For example, Joseph Bolger was renting land, office, and building in one area and then he shows up renting just land somewhere else nearby. I had read where the surveyor would write down Joseph(James) to distinguish between father and son and others with the same name-but that is not the case here. Does anyone out there have digital images (Rastor, vector, or arcview) or even hard copies of the ordnance survey maps for this area, that I could purchase? I understand that the OSI (Ordnance Survey of Ireland) sells them, but I hear they never seem to answer their e-mails regarding pricing. Thanks, Irene

I am writing to someone in Laois who is in all probability a descendant of a shared ancestor. Problem is that I obtained the address online from eirecom and all I have is a name and the following: middlemont Rathdowney and a phone number I know that the town is small, but will the letter get to him without a house number? Can anyone help with the postal code? Appreciate any advice. Thanks again, Irene Lee Alaska

Wills and Deeds: Wills are important sources of genealogical information even at times for those whose ancestors did not write a will. Every will had witnesses and at times these witneses were simply yeomen or servants of the testator. For the person who is familiar with general surname distribution in Ireland the surnames of the witnesses and the counties in which the testator owned land can point to places where a witness as possibly from. Putting sets of wills made by people of the same surname together can possibly build up a picture of familial relationships, cousins, siblings, parents, uncles and aunts. Wills can tell such stories about the people who wrote them, the good deeds done by landlords, that not all were terrible people, the marital breakdown, the disinherited children, the attachment to servants. They can tell of the way of life of the people, the movement around the country, or, they can tell nothing more than just a few names. Not everything went up in smoke in the fire at the Four Courts in 1922, a lot did - but not everything There were two types of 'Court' dealing with wills and administrations. The Consistorial and the Prerogative Courts. The Consistorial court dealt with 'local' wills and deeds - that is those which referred to property/land within the boundary of that diocese only. Pre 1858: Wills & Administrations of the Consistorial Courts. Before 1857, the Church of Ireland as the Established Church was responsible for all testamentary affairs. Each Diocese had a Consistorial Court which was responsible for granting probate to a will. Probate is the legal authentification of a will and confers on the administrators the power to administer the estate. These courts also had the power to grant letters of Administration to the next of kin or the main creditor on the estates of those who died intestate (without making a will). Each Court was responsible for it's own Diocese, but if the person owned property valued at more than £5 in another diocese then the responsibility for the will or the administration passed on to the Prerogative Court. The Prerogative Court was under the responsibility of the Archbishop of Armagh. The Wills and Administrations of each Consistorial Court were held locally until the abolition of the testamentary authority of the church in 1857. After 1857 - the PRO began to collect these from the local courts and transcribe them into Will and grant Books, these were then indexed. All the original wills were destroyed in the fire of 1922 and most of the Will and Grant Books - the Will Books for the Dioceses of Down (1850-58) ; Connor (1818-20, 1853-58) survived. Also the Grant books for the Dioceses of Cashel (1840-45) ; Derry and Raphoe (1818-21) and Ossory (1848-58) survived. As did a very few original documents. The indices were not destroyed although some are badly damaged and difficult to read - pages have been repaired as best as possible. Wills are indexed alphabetically - information : the testator's address, year of probate and sometimes occupation - That is ALL the information which is to be obtained from these indices. Administration Bonds - indexed by year and under the initial letter of the person's surname. Information: full name, sometimes address and sometimes occupation. The Prerogative Court The Prerogative Court was the court which dealt with property spread over two or more Dioceses. Up to 1816 it was not held in a 'fixed' location - usually the house of the presiding Judge. From 1816 on - it was held in the King's Inn Building. Records pre 1816 can be thought of as being incomplete - it is not known if all were collected and sent to this one central place for indexing. Again, as for the records of the Consistorial Court, all original documents were transferred to the Public Records Office after 1857 and the original Wills and Grants of Administration were transcribed into Will and Grant books. These were then indexed. The originals and most of the indices were also destroyed in the fire of 1922. Post 1857 The probate Act of 1857 took away the testamentary authority of the Church of Ireland. Now - there was a Principal Registry in Dublin and eleven District Registries. The rules and administration remained something the same. The Principal Registry was the equivalent of the Prerogative Court (but it also covered Dublin and a large area around it). Again with these documents - transcripts were made of the originals. A 'Calendar of Wills and Administrations' was produced for each year, arranged alphabetically. In these 'Calendars' are found the name and address of the deceased person, where and when they died, the value of the estate, the place of Probate and the name and address of the person to whom probate was granted..the relationship of this person is also mentioned if they are related. Copies of these Calendars survive and while these date from 1858 forward it is possible to find records of those who died prior to 1858. There is a consolidated index to the period from 1858 -1877. These Calendars are to be found on the shelves in the National Archives in Dublin and the Public Records Office in Belfast. After the fire in 1922 the Public Records Office made an attempt to put together something of that which had been lost. To this effect, they requested copies of originals from anyone who would or could supply these, lawyers, families, researchers and so managed to save some of the past. There is a card index in the National Archives in Dublin - alphabetical listing material recovered. Separate card indices exist for those abstracts taken by researchers such as Thrift, Jennings, Crossley and miscellaneous donations and bequests since that time. .

Transcribed from the Administration book National Archives Dublin. Baird, William Effects under £50 22nd September Letters of Administration of the personal estate of William Baird late of Donamore in the Queen's County, Clerk of Petit Sessions a Widower, deceased who died 23rd June 1864 at same place were granted at Principal Registry to Ambrose Morrison Baird of Donamore aforesaid, Gentleman, the Son, one of next of kin of said deceased. Barry, Thomas Edward Effects under £100 27th February Letters of Administration of the personal estate of Thomas Edward Barry late of Mountmellick in the Queen's County, Clerk in the National Bank, a Bachelor, deceased, who died 8th December 1862, at Debbycall near Mountmellick, were granted at the Principal Registry to Francis John Power of Mountmellick, aforesaid Banker, for the use and benefit of Eliza Barry the Mother and John A.F. Barry, Mary Barry, Sarah M.A. Barry, the Brother and Sisters and next of kin of the deceased Cambie, Edward Lalor Effects under £3,000 18th June Letters f Administrtion of the personal estate of Edward Lalor Cambie, late of Richmond House in the County of Tipperary, Esquire, deceased, who died 9th January 1864 at Maryborough in the Queen's County were granted at the Principal Registry to Mary Cambie of Richmond House (near Templemore) aforesaid, Widow of the deceased. Coen, Samuel Effects under £600 7th May Letters of Administration of the personal estate of Samuel Coen late of Dangans near Mountmellick in the Queen's County Esquire, deceased, who died 24th February 1864 at same place were granted at the Principal Registry to Mary Anne Coen the Widow and Thomas Graham Coen the Son, one of the next of kin of said deceased both of Dangans aforesaid. Dooley, Thomas C. Effects under £300 11th August Letters of Administration of the personal estate of Thomas C. Dooley late of Butter Island in the Queen's County, Farmer, deceased who died 10th May 1864, at same place were granted at the Principal Registry to Peter Dooley of Kildrina in the Quen's County and John Dooley of Butter Island near Coolraine, Mountrath, Farmer the Brothers and only next of kin of said deceased. Ely, Richard. Effects under £5 30th August Letters of Administration of the personal estate of Richard Ely late of Ballaghmore Castle in the Queen's County, Esquire, a Bachelor, deceased, who died 15th November 1858 at same place were granted at te Principal Registry to the Honourable Richard Maxwell of Fortlands, Mount Nugent in the County of Cavan, the substitute of the Reverend John Prior having interest (Limited Grant) Galeazzi otherwise Pennefather otherwise Barton, Grace. 8th March Effects under £3,000 Leters of Administration of the personal estate of Grace Galeazzi otherwise Pennefather otherwise Barton late of Florence in the Kingdom of Italy, Widow deceased, who died 27th August 1863 at Berne, Switzerland were granted at the Principal Registry to Mary Pennefather of Dunmore near Durrow in the Queen's County, Spinster, the Daughter, only surviving next of kin of said deceased. Hope, William Effects under £50 11th January Letters of Administration of the personal estate of William Hope late of Grafton Street in the City of Dublin, Gentleman, a Bachelor, deceased, who died 16th December 1863 at Charlemont street in the said City were granted at the Principal Registry to George Hope of Durrow in the Queen's County, Apothecary, the Brother, one of the next of kin of said deceased. Hovenden, Henry Effects under £10 28th May Letters of Administration of the personal estate of Henry Hovenden, late of Whyte's Terrace, Donnybrook Road, in the County of Dublin, deceased, who died 21st January 1863 at same place were granted at the Principal Registry to Caroline Hovenden of Ballylinan in the Queen's County the Widow of said deceased. Kelly, Alicia Effects unadministered under £550 5th April Letters of Administration of the personal estate of Alicia Kelly late of No. 4 Muckross Terrace, Bushfield Avenue in the County of Dublin, Spinster, deceased, who died 16th September 1863 at same place (left unadministered by Charlotte Kelly, the Sister only next of kin) were granted at the Principal Registry to Mary Anne Kelly of Portarlington in the Queen's County, Widow, the Administratrix of said Charlotte Kelly and the Guradian during the minority of her Grand Nephews and Nieces. Lewis, James Effects under £100 16th August Letters of Administration of the personal estate of James Lewis late of Ballycarroll in the Queen's County, Farmer, deceased, who died 20th September 1863 at same place were granted at the Principal Registry to Mary Lewis of Ballycarroll aforesaid the Widow of said deceased.

Hello Everyone, I have recently received a Marriage Certificate which has turned out to be the wrong one, so I am posting it here in case it can be useful to someone else. Date: January 3, 1851. Bride: Clarinda SYDES? Spinster. Father: William SYDES: Tailor Groom: John FOSTER. Soldier in H.M. 49th Regiment. Father; William Foster: Labourer. Residence of both: Town of Roscrea, Co. Tipperary. Witnesses: Henry CHAPMAN & John WILKS. Can anyone suggest a possible Church or Parish for the early 1850s Marriage details of my Great Grandfather, John FOSTER, who lived at Abbeyleix, Co Laois. There was a 'no' result from St Michaels Church of Ireland, and the Representative Church Body. Also reseaarching: BARRY from Cork to USA to Queensland. MURPHY from Cork to Queensland. RUDD from Wexford to Queensland. FOSTER from Co Laois to Queensland. Regards to All. Eleanor.

Hello Everyone, I am new to this list and wanted to put my Grattons out there! So here they are... I am looking for family of Katherine Gratton b. 1816 or so,from Queens Co, Ireland. She came to New Brunswick, Canada in 1830. I know she has at least one brother named Michael who married Rose. He came to Canada in 1824. There are several other Grattons that came into NB, Canada all from Queens Co. Ann who was born in about 1799, Henry, John, Bridget, Elizabeth and a couple Anthony's. If anyone has any info on this family, I would be grateful! Jennee:-)

Hello It is possible my 3 X gt. grandparents John DONNELLY and Eliza (Elizabeth)COSTIGAN were married 28 Sept. 1826 in Ballinakill. Does anyone know of a list of Roman Catholic churches for this Parish and a name and address of the Rev/priest I could write to for a possible copy of this marriage reference? Thank you for any information Regards Jane Coop (Oldham, England)

I am after a birth certificate of someone who was born in 1814, in Queens County. Where is the best place to get one - ie a records office? And how much will it be? Thanks Paul Tracing: Mooney _____________________________________________________________________________ http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Australia & NZ Movies - Find out what's on at the local cinema with Yahoo! Movies

I hope that we will not get into Religion differences on this website as to regards the Mormons etc. Lets keep this out and enjoy the records that we have to use from the LDS and other groups. Lets get back to great genealogy that has been on this site. Charlotte Smith----- Original Message ----- From: Dorothy Stanton <dpstant@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-LAOIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 12:40 PM Subject: LDS records, one more word > I'm not LDS but my understanding is that LDS temple ordinances are for the > purpose of sealing families together for eternity -- not to "make them > Mormons" -- and there is always choice. My feeling is that, if their > beliefs are true, then they are doing my ancestors a favor; if not, then it > makes no difference! I'm just glad that their interest in genealogy has > produced the wonderful Family History Library and its resources which are > freely available to all. I go to the FHL in Salt Lake City as often as I > can afford the airfare and the hotel; the library is free! They have > wonderful staff and volunteers who are very helpful and patient (!!!). At > the Family History Center a couple of miles from my home, I have on loan a > microfilm of a parish register from Kildare (RC), a couple of RC parish > registers from Chicago and deed books from Culpeper Co. Virginia -- just for > the cost of shipping the film. Just think how difficult it would be for me > to access that information without the FHL! > Dorothy in California > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ==== IRL-LAOIS Mailing List ==== > This list is sponsored by the Laois, IrelandGenWeb website - http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/ >

I'm not LDS but my understanding is that LDS temple ordinances are for the purpose of sealing families together for eternity -- not to "make them Mormons" -- and there is always choice. My feeling is that, if their beliefs are true, then they are doing my ancestors a favor; if not, then it makes no difference! I'm just glad that their interest in genealogy has produced the wonderful Family History Library and its resources which are freely available to all. I go to the FHL in Salt Lake City as often as I can afford the airfare and the hotel; the library is free! They have wonderful staff and volunteers who are very helpful and patient (!!!). At the Family History Center a couple of miles from my home, I have on loan a microfilm of a parish register from Kildare (RC), a couple of RC parish registers from Chicago and deed books from Culpeper Co. Virginia -- just for the cost of shipping the film. Just think how difficult it would be for me to access that information without the FHL! Dorothy in California ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

There are con men out there - there are inexperienced people who will never give you results.......... there is good and bad as there is in every walk of life, in every culture, every society - every family even. There are some of us who will go through these newsgroups and help who we can, there are those of us who are seen to help and who are then bombarded by many people - each asking one little question - "It's only one little question - should only take a minute to answer" - but those many people - forget or do not realise that there are another 100 or 200 people who have one little question on the same day as they do. So - this is coming because I have again seen a post referring to Irish records.to how LDS libraries are not allowed film our records..........to that one Diocese which will not allow access to it's records......... and yes, to all of you the LDS libraries are so important......their films are so important........... and before I go one step farther - I am not a practising Catholic..and therefore I speak from an objective and not a subjective "in defence of my religion point of view." From what I understand - the Mormons have their libraries - their information - because they want to convert the ancestors of those who are members of their religion to that religion??? This means - to me.....that all my ancestors who died.....and went to whatever heaven they went to - beliving in whatever God they believed in.......they will be 'converted to Mormons'.or members of the Church of the Latter Day Saints after death - because I want to convert to their religion.or am a member of that faith. Maybe there is someone here who can correct me on this interpretation of the situation?? I hate to tell you boys and girls...women and men............but I think my ancestors would turn in their graves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I may not be a practising Catholic but whatever - that gives me no right to change the religion of my ancestors......... and even if I was a practising Catholic...........I think I wouldn;t have much respect for a religion which would allow conversion of it's members willy nilly...... what kind of religion would do that??? The Jewish faith certainly doesn;t................ Maybe for once...........the RC church has done the right thing.......... So - then............let's go from that point......... There are those who share their information for free - yes........... I'm one of those for the moment......newbies....please note.........check out who is who and what they do before you attack 'emotionally'on the basis of any post you see........... Please??............ But - there are alos those who 'work' at genealogy........... Now - how much do you pay for a plumber to come to your house? how much do you pay your Doctor when you go to se him with a problem............if he sends you to a specialist..what do you pay............if the specialist says - I can't find anything........ Do you pay him......or is it dependant in finding out that you have something seriuously wrong with you? if you need a lawyer - or a medical specialist - do you go to the first person who is recommended..........do you check people out............ If you are buying something as simple as a kettle...........a toaster.........do you just pick up the first one you see......... or check them out? Do not limit yourself to those researchers who only deal with a particular county......... Accept - that in Ireland our costs are high. Watch out that you aren't being conned............warn others......... But - please do not complain about films not being recorded.,....please understand and think about how your religion would deal with a situation in whcih you were going to be converted post death.......... Would you want to be a member of a faith who would allow this??? Seriously??