Searching for info on above names, especially: Catherine BRENNAN, born 1852, Queens Co. Father was James BRENNAN, mother Mary MCCORMICK, emigrated to Buffalo, NY. Mary Ann BRENNAN, born 1859, Queens Co. Father was James BRENNAN, mother Winifred FLEMMING, emigrated to Buffalo, NY. John MANSFIELD, Born about 1810-20, married Bridget HORAN, unknown County. John FUNCHION, born about 1810-20, married Catherine BRADY, unknown County. Another James BRENNAN, born about 1840, married Bridget HANNON in Ire or Halifax, York, England, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Hunt" <Ninah@carolina.rr.com> To: <IRL-LAOIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:16 PM Subject: [IRL-LAOIS] ROLL CALL > Hi there... > Time for a ROLL CALL. The purpose of the Roll Call is to put your names on > the list so everyone can look for matches or maybe just get some advice. > > *PLEASE put your SURNAMES IN THE SUBJECT LINE. People who get the digest are > not always motivated to open lots of emails that just say Roll Call. > > Put as much or as little as you wish in the message. > > Cheers! > Christina > > > ==== IRL-LAOIS Mailing List ==== > To contact the listowner: > Ninah@carolina.rr.com > >

Hello List members, As Michael pointed out, the Family History Library Catalog is online, and is a great place to find what information they have, also, if your Family History Center is one of the smaller ones,I suggest you call before you go, and if they don't have the film or microfiche there, they will normally be happy to order it for you for a very nominal fee, I've always been able to pay the fee when I went to view the material, and it's normally not more than a couple of dollars in the U.S. Not every FHL has every piece of material that is held by this vast resource, so calling ahead insures that the material you want to use is there, and also, there are some materials that can not be viewed anywhere other than the Salt Lake Library. If the material that you want to check can't be sent to your local library, normally they can find someone in the Salt Lake area that will check for your information for you. My personal experience has been that they are most helpful, and will go out of their way to help. Good luck with your research! Linda Babin Louisiana, USA Slán agus beannacht leat .

Here is some useful info to look at before you decide to pay a visit to your local LDS Family History Centres. Hopefully, by doing the ground work and getting the correct Title of the document and the Microfiche number of the records that you want to look at before your visit will save you a lot of time. This site lists every record that is stored at the LDS centre in Salt Lake City. Utah, USA. All you have to do is spend a little time tracking it down and then hopefully you will be well prepared when you decide to go and visit your local LDS Centre. There is a vast amount of Irish material stored here on Microfiche. The official web site for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for FAMILY SEARCH.ORG is located at http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/default.asp Here you can search the Family History Library Catalogue to find out the Microfiche number of the record you are wanting to search at your local LDS Family History Centre. LDS Family History Library Catalogue can be found at the following: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp Some of the options available when you visit their site. You can search for your ancestors in their vast record collections. Get step-by-step research guidance on searching for your ancestors. View maps, forms, guides and get other research help. Find other web sites containing family history information. The type of search facilities available here are: PLACE SEARCH SURNAME SEARCH SUBJECT SEARCH FILM/FICHE SEARCH AUTHOR SEARCH CALL NUMBER SEARCH Click here to find out if there is an LDS Family History Centres near you: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp LDS Family History Centres are branch facilities of the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. Utah, USA. These centres provide access to most of the microfilms and microfiche in the Family History Library to help patrons identify their ancestors. Everyone is welcome to come to the centres and use Family History Centre resources. Regards and good luck with your research Michael Brennan Kent, England e-mail: michael@janbren.freeserve.co.uk URL: http://www.brennanfamilyhistory.com

Any suggestion of ship lists, historical sources or reading re probable conditions & ports of departure for emigrants leaving Ireland about 1820 (in one case 17 June 1817) would be appreciated. Seeking Large families, Protestants, bound for Prince Edward Island or Chaleur Bay NB, later Ontario, Dufferin and nearby, farmers. Thanks for your time Marilyn

Any suggestion of ship lists, historical sources or reading re probable conditions & ports of departure for emigrants leaving Ireland about 1820 (in one case 17 June 1817) would be appreciated. Seeking Large families, Protestants, bound for Prince Edward Island or Chaleur Bay NB, later Ontario, Dufferin and nearby, farmers. Thanks for any tips Marilyn

>From Jean Rice on the IrelandGenWeb list. Co. Laois ("Queen's) -- The workhouse of Donaghmore is a range of two-storey buildings of grey limestone, built in 1853 to feed and house 400 paupers. It closed its doors in 1886, but the buildings survived and in 1993 they were opened offically as the Donaghmore Workhouse Museum. Refurbishment and adding to the collections is in progress all the time. Part of the complex now houses a fine display of horse-drawn farm implements and a wide selection of local household goods, many of them bringing back happy childhood memories to those in their 60s and older. The other part is the Workhouse itself. Its inhabitants had few material goods to leave, but the layout of the buildings and the surviving furnishings give a grim imprssion of how the destitute lived. Morality of the 19th century demanded that males and females be segregated, so family life came to an abrupt end once within the gates. The dormitories, though spacious, had few comforts, but there was a slightly ele! vated floor on which the inmates slept. In their waking hours, the able-bodied men, women and children engaged in working for their keep. It was better than the starvation offered by the outside world - but not much. Northwards is the village of Borris-in-Ossory, on the main road from Limerick to Dublin. (Note there is now a new Heritage Trail with delightful signposted tours of 13 places in Co. Laois of particular interest). From Borris-in-Ossory the trail goes south-west through green pastures with well-tended hedges to the ruins of the monastery of Aghaboe, a foundation of the great Saint Canice in the 6th century . History did not treat the foundation with any particular deference; it was plundered and burned with dismal regularity every 50 years or so by a variety of individuals, though it was bravely rebuilt each time until its final demise in the 16h century. The next stop on the trail is Durrow, a delightful village with generous green surrounded by neat houses. Then the trail follows a narrow, winding road to the angling museum and the tiny village of Attanagh. It is a rarity in that it is actually being built by the collector himself, Walter Whelan, and visitors can see ! a swarm of fishing flies, an array of rods and reels, some tools of the trades of fly-tiers, gunsmiths and poachers. -- Excerpt, "Ireland of the Welcomes"

Seeking families of - Robert Large: b. 1846 Prince Edward Island but living with uncle Robert in 1871 in Dufferin ON; and/or - Jacob Large: b. 1838 in PEI but living in Listowel Village, Perth, a carpenter, in 1871 - John Large b. abt 1800 in (Queens of Kilkeny?) Ireland, possibly emigrated to PEI about 1820 before coming to Ontario. - all above may be related to Joshua LARGE who lived in Foxley River PEI then m. Rachel Stephens, 1838 and lived in Souris PEI then..... disappeared?? Thanks for any tips Marilyn Jasper Alberta

-----Original Message----- From: Jellomo@aol.com [mailto:Jellomo@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:07 AM Looking for any info on Grattans that came into New Brunswick Canada around 1830. My GGG Grandmother was Katherine Grattan and Had at least one brother, Michael Grattan. She came into NB, Canada in 1831 from Queens Co. but we havent found where in Queens (Laois) they were from. Any info email me! Jennifer

Searching for siblings/parents of Peter Francis McEvoy, born 5 Jan 1825, Mountmellick, Queens Co., Ireland. Married Julia Ann Dunn (born 1837 in Portarlington, Kings Co., Ireland). Also looking for siblings/parents of Patrick McEvoy, born 1805 in Mountmellick, Queens Co., Ireland -- possibly a cousin or uncle of Peter Francis McEvoy. Patrick married Julia Maher, daughter of Timothy and Mary (Gorman) Maher.

Hi Marilyn, there were some Bantings who had the name Large as a middle name. They were in south Simcoe county of Ontario. Possibly related? At 10:26 PM 28/10/01 -0700, Marilyn Kan wrote: >Seeking info on extended LARGE family of Kilkenny and Queens probably, who >emigrated together or sequentially about 1820, to Prince Edward Island, >Canada; and later on to Ontario. John's emigration possibly with John Hunt >Walsh, a property owner in PEI. Joshua b.1802. > >Any contacts of suggestions would be appreciated >Marilyn in Canada Sharon M. Haggerty London, Ontario Canada Full Data Base: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~sharonmh Home Page (with links to Clarke and Reynolds pages): http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~sharonmh Haggerty Family from County Cork (includes Tanner of Ontario, and Boyd, Forbes and Webb of Mercer County, PA): http://www.execulink.com/~haggerty/Family 19th Century Irish documents from Kilmeen parish: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~datatree/wolfs14.htm Listowner: CAN-CHALEUR-BAY-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com A list focussing on the ancestors and descendants of the Protestant Irish Settlers in the Bay Chaleur area, early to mid 1800s. To subscribe, please send a message saying only "subscribe" to: CAN-CHALEUR-BAY-IRISH-L-request@rootsweb.com

I have just a produced a short resume of the following Laois towns on my web site which you might want to look at. They are on page 'Towns of Laois' at: URL: http://www.brennanfamilyhistory.com If your town or village is not listed and you have information about your ancestors location please send the info to me and I will add it to the rest with your name as the supplier. Abbeyleix Aghaboe Ballaghmore Ballinakill Ballyadams Ballybrittas Ballyfin Ballylinan Borris-in-Ossory Castletown Clonenagh Coolbanagher Cullahill Donaghmore Workhouse Museum Durrow Emo Court and Gardens Heywood Gardens Killeshin Mountmellick Mountrath Portarlington Rock of Dunamaise Rosenallis Slieve Bloom Stradbally The Heath Timahoe Vicarstown Wolfhill Regards and good luck with your research Michael Brennan Kent, England e-mail: michael@janbren.freeserve.co.uk

Hi there... Just a note on sending emails to the list. I am getting a lot of emails bouncing back to me because the sender is "not a subscriber". This can happen because someone sees a list and sends a message. However, a number seem to be from subscribers. Do make sure that when you send an email to the list you are using the email address that is subscribed to the particular list. If you use a different account the message comes back to the list admin (me). I forward it to the list which puts my email address as sender. Then if there is an answer I will probably get it. So to save me extra work, and make sure you get responses sent to you - send your messages from the email account where you are subscribed. If you think there is a problem along these lines let me know so I can look in to it. Best wishes, Christina County Laois Genealogy (IGP) www.rootsweb.com/~irllex

Hello everyone, I'm new to the list, my name Helen Robinson from Adelaide in South Australia. I'm researching Robinson's from Mountrath and Abbey Leix , also the surnames Falkiner, Mansfield, Milton in Queens County. Also have Irish connections for the surname Torpey and O'Halloran from Galway. Would love to hear from anyone with related surnames, Helen Robinson Adelaide webpage: www.geocities.com/nelehlr/index.htm

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Forward from Charlotte Smith [charlotsmith@prodigy.net] the LDS site online ;has lots of good material and the library catalogue and also you can order CD;s from that site. They also copy material for people and mail from Salt lake City Utah. C Smith > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane McCann [mailto:jhmccann@ozemail.com.au@hn.ozemail.com.au] > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 2:42 PM > To: Jane Lyons; IRL-LAOIS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [IRL-LAOIS] Interest in genealogy - a > can of worms............ > > > I would buy records of Co. Laois. In my three years of searching, I have > not found one clue on any of the my husband's ancestors except from a cousin > in the States. I'm beginning to think that he might not have any. > > While I'm writing, I have a question on the LDS Family History Centres. > Numerous emails say go to your local FHC. That's fine if you have one, but > I'm in Australia and there is only one FHC in the state and that is about a > 12 hour drive away. Not much good if you work during weekdays. Does anyone > know if you can buy copies of their microfich? > > I suppose, what all this means is that I'd buy any CD that I knew held any > information relating to the family. > > Jane > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane Lyons" <jlyons1@iol.ie> > To: <IRL-LAOIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:57 AM > Subject: [IRL-LAOIS] Interest in genealogy - a can of worms............ > > > > and I guess that is what I will open as soon as this mail hits the > > lists.............and I intend to send it to more than the Ireland_ > > Genealogy Group that I have set up. > > > > I'm not too sure how I will handle the replies though. That I have to > think > > about. > > > > Before I begin, I apologise to those who will see this on many lists, I > feel > > there is a need to try and get as much response as possible - *and* I > think > > this will be a long email. > > > > Many who know my name have heard me 'whinge' over the years because if I > > want to publish my graveyard transcriptions then I have to pay for the > > publication.........and I have to find the people who would want to buy > any > > such publication. Many realise how important gravestones are. Many hear > of > > this or that publication re the area they are interested in and want so > > badly to get a copy............ > > > > Few know of the many publications on gravestone transcriptions that have > > been done in Ireland. For most cases they have been published in > > Archaeological and Historical Journals, or even as stand alone Memorial > > Transcriptions for a county - limited publications, a few donated to > various > > libraries around the world. > > > > I am writing this mail because an Ireland_Genealogy subscriber wrote to me > > telling me of someone who has transcribed a number of parish records for > one > > Irish county - many years work - and who cannot get this published - > > *because* there is no proof that there are any people who would buy such a > > publication. > > > > I'll tell you a little about transcription works.......for those of you > who > > aren't familiar with records. I once set out to transcribe the parish > > records for the county I have so many gravestone transcriptions for, I > > wanted to match everything up (simple amn't I? <g>), I set myself one year > > at this project. A friend asked me how long it would take - exactly - to > > complete the whole county and I said I hadn't a clue. How on earth can you > > estimate something like that? My friend said "You've a brain, you're an > > analyst - go figure" So, I went in to the National Library the next day > and > > got my film..........I timed myself writing out the first page of each > > section of the register........the information on each page was different, > > it took me between 20 and 30 mins to write down what was there. I would > > have had 8+ separate entries on each page. Then, I counted how many pages > > were in each register on the film. All in all (and I'm working off the > top > > of my head here) I calculated that it would take me 365 days of 5 hours in > > the archives to transcribe the material - after that I had to go home and > > put it all into my computer - and after that, I would have had to print it > > out and check it all. > > > > For all that work, I would have covered somewhere between 8 and 10 parish > > registers for my one county..........and they were only RC registers - I'd > > still have had to head to all the other films and all the other religions. > > > > Now, I continuously see people talking on the mail lists about Family > > History Centres here in Ireland, those who have records on film or who are > > transcribing records - and very few have a nice thing to say about them. > I > > continuously see people refer to the fact that in Ireland, it is young > > people who had no jobs to whom the transcribing of records was handed > over. > > I know myself, that I have sat looking at the records for a parish and a > > professional genealogist was standing behind me at the time and that > person > > said something about one of the surnames in the records - and while the > > surname sounded like the one I was thinking of, it was a different > > surname...............I believed it to be one name and the other person > > another - each of us would have written down a different surname if we had > > been asked what it was. > > > > I believe I have some experience with records and script. I know the > other > > genealogist to be a very experienced and knowledgeable person where Irish > > genealogy is concerned. > > > > Who-ever would have been correct is irrelevant for the moment - what is > > relevant is that you have to be familiar with names in an area. It > matters > > that it was young inexperienced people who did the transcribing of Irish > > records for those of you who want the information - but it should also be > > recognised that at least some effort was made to transcribe these > records - > > for most who do manage to employ a Family History Centre here or a > > professional geanalogist and who do have a surname that can be confused > with > > another - then you know that you need to double check. > > > > I would put it to you that Ireland and Irish records are no different than > > in any other country in the world - that for every country there are > > probably the same problems - but because you look here and Ireland can be > so > > very far away, it becomes an even bigger problem. > > > > Now, many records have been published in the past, in our old journals. > > Many people today weep and gnash their teeth because there are no records > > for this or that area - we have had many genealogists or family historians > > who transcribed our records before the fire in 1922............only few > know > > of these publications. We have many parish records that are not part of > the > > general 'parish record' listing for any county, becasue they simply > survive > > as manuscripts held by the National Library and not as part of the general > > something donated or filmed and belonging to any religion. > > > > Many complain of the lack of interest that the Irish have in their family > > history. That they hold onto information passed down through generations. > > I personally have over 60 first cousins on one side - I only know those > who > > were born in the same era as myself - if I even know that many - why would > I > > want to find more relatives? It's the same for all the Irish in > > Ireland....... > > > > But it's not for you. > > > > I'm trying to explain us and our attitudes..........while I also want to > get > > something else across. > > > > Here in Ireland, genealogy is not recognised as being all that > > important...........we have other things to do. Most complain about the > few > > Irish in Ireland they will find on mail lists - that those few who do lurk > > are not willing to help. Few realise how many there are who want > > information compared to the numbers who have some interest and would > help - > > statistically. > > > > My inbox currently has 1000 emails - yet, I have all the county lists I am > > subscribed to with folders of their own and mail filtered to them. The > > earliest date on my mail is July 2001. Maybe that says something. (I > have > > computer problems :-)!! > > > > When I was big into my graveyards - and the amount of work, time, energy, > > and even visible monetory costs that go into the transcribing of one small > > graveyard is a lot - I contacted various publishers and I was told that > > there was no interest in graveyard transcriptions. > > > > To me, those transcriptions are so important, because I know the kinds of > > questions you all ask. I know that parish records are so > > important.............they are what you really, really seek - the basic > > starting point. > > > > You, are the people who seek, some of us Irish in Ireland or Irish abroad > > are the people who have and who can't publish - *because* we have no > > inkling, no proof of how much interest is out there. > > > > How many people are there who if they knew the parish records for their > area > > were published would buy them...... > > > > How many people would buy graveyard transcriptions.......... > > > > It's my opinion that there are many, that the rootsweb mail lists and any > > others only represent a very small proportion of the 'searchers'. I see > and > > hear so many people in the various Irish archives who haven't got a clue > on > > how to do their research.......I think it's something like they're on > their > > way to Ireland and suddenly realise what it means to them and then begin > to > > work on their family history.............. > > > > The internet is a very big place - it makes the world so > > small............but in reality, it's really very small itself - compared > to > > the numbers who want to find their Irish Ancestry. > > > > This has been long...........and it may have been in my usual rambling > > fashion. > > > > It just so happens that I am in a position where I may in the future be > able > > to show a publisher whether or not there would be an interest in > > publications from Ireland with parish record data, with gravestone > > transcriptions........ > > > > I'd like to be able to say all you have to do is tick this or that box and > I > > can work it all out statistically as towhat you want to see published - > what > > you would support - and I mean that word 'support' - there's no point in > you > > saying I'd like to see this or that........and then for you to go asking > on > > the web if anyone has a copy that they'd look up for you. > > > > There's no point in you all giving out about Ireland and the Irish here, > not > > if you look to your own country, to those who regardless of reasons make a > > profit from genealogy. My mothers cousin was over from Washington a few > > years ago and she brought some genealogy magazines for me - and the main > > message that was coming across was how much of a business it all is. > > > > I've seen many stones thrown our way............and there are so few of > us > > on the web - there's no way we will stand up for ourselves. > > > > For once and for all - and for the moment I'll leave it at county basis. > > > > two questions then - maybe it can get broken down from here. > > > > Records - would you buy them if they were available for your > > area...........would you encourage your local family history society to > buy > > them? > > > > What kind of records do you want? Pure genealogy? The history of the > area? > > Irish stories and history...... > > > > Would you buy something even though it did not help you specifically - > > simply to encourage those with Irish records to publish? > > > > I'm only trying to think here - what do the researchers want? What is it > you > > would encourage people to publish? > > > > It all boils down to economics. > > > > That's life............whether we like it or not > > > > Jane > > I would appreciate it if you would forward this mail to anyone who you > think > > may be interested in commenting on my last few questions. I have my > family > > history - and my family..........I would like to show others that there is > > an interest in Irish family history. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-LAOIS Mailing List ==== > > To contact the listowner: > > Ninah@carolina.rr.com > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-LAOIS Mailing List ==== > To contact the listowner: > Ninah@carolina.rr.com >

-----Original Message----- From: Jane McCann [mailto:jhmccann@ozemail.com.au@hn.ozemail.com.au] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 2:42 PM To: Jane Lyons; IRL-LAOIS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [IRL-LAOIS] Interest in genealogy - a can of worms............ I would buy records of Co. Laois. In my three years of searching, I have not found one clue on any of the my husband's ancestors except from a cousin in the States. I'm beginning to think that he might not have any. While I'm writing, I have a question on the LDS Family History Centres. Numerous emails say go to your local FHC. That's fine if you have one, but I'm in Australia and there is only one FHC in the state and that is about a 12 hour drive away. Not much good if you work during weekdays. Does anyone know if you can buy copies of their microfich? I suppose, what all this means is that I'd buy any CD that I knew held any information relating to the family. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Lyons" <jlyons1@iol.ie> To: <IRL-LAOIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:57 AM Subject: [IRL-LAOIS] Interest in genealogy - a can of worms............ > and I guess that is what I will open as soon as this mail hits the > lists.............and I intend to send it to more than the Ireland_ > Genealogy Group that I have set up. > > I'm not too sure how I will handle the replies though. That I have to think > about. > > Before I begin, I apologise to those who will see this on many lists, I feel > there is a need to try and get as much response as possible - *and* I think > this will be a long email. > > Many who know my name have heard me 'whinge' over the years because if I > want to publish my graveyard transcriptions then I have to pay for the > publication.........and I have to find the people who would want to buy any > such publication. Many realise how important gravestones are. Many hear of > this or that publication re the area they are interested in and want so > badly to get a copy............ > > Few know of the many publications on gravestone transcriptions that have > been done in Ireland. For most cases they have been published in > Archaeological and Historical Journals, or even as stand alone Memorial > Transcriptions for a county - limited publications, a few donated to various > libraries around the world. > > I am writing this mail because an Ireland_Genealogy subscriber wrote to me > telling me of someone who has transcribed a number of parish records for one > Irish county - many years work - and who cannot get this published - > *because* there is no proof that there are any people who would buy such a > publication. > > I'll tell you a little about transcription works.......for those of you who > aren't familiar with records. I once set out to transcribe the parish > records for the county I have so many gravestone transcriptions for, I > wanted to match everything up (simple amn't I? <g>), I set myself one year > at this project. A friend asked me how long it would take - exactly - to > complete the whole county and I said I hadn't a clue. How on earth can you > estimate something like that? My friend said "You've a brain, you're an > analyst - go figure" So, I went in to the National Library the next day and > got my film..........I timed myself writing out the first page of each > section of the register........the information on each page was different, > it took me between 20 and 30 mins to write down what was there. I would > have had 8+ separate entries on each page. Then, I counted how many pages > were in each register on the film. All in all (and I'm working off the top > of my head here) I calculated that it would take me 365 days of 5 hours in > the archives to transcribe the material - after that I had to go home and > put it all into my computer - and after that, I would have had to print it > out and check it all. > > For all that work, I would have covered somewhere between 8 and 10 parish > registers for my one county..........and they were only RC registers - I'd > still have had to head to all the other films and all the other religions. > > Now, I continuously see people talking on the mail lists about Family > History Centres here in Ireland, those who have records on film or who are > transcribing records - and very few have a nice thing to say about them. I > continuously see people refer to the fact that in Ireland, it is young > people who had no jobs to whom the transcribing of records was handed over. > I know myself, that I have sat looking at the records for a parish and a > professional genealogist was standing behind me at the time and that person > said something about one of the surnames in the records - and while the > surname sounded like the one I was thinking of, it was a different > surname...............I believed it to be one name and the other person > another - each of us would have written down a different surname if we had > been asked what it was. > > I believe I have some experience with records and script. I know the other > genealogist to be a very experienced and knowledgeable person where Irish > genealogy is concerned. > > Who-ever would have been correct is irrelevant for the moment - what is > relevant is that you have to be familiar with names in an area. It matters > that it was young inexperienced people who did the transcribing of Irish > records for those of you who want the information - but it should also be > recognised that at least some effort was made to transcribe these records - > for most who do manage to employ a Family History Centre here or a > professional geanalogist and who do have a surname that can be confused with > another - then you know that you need to double check. > > I would put it to you that Ireland and Irish records are no different than > in any other country in the world - that for every country there are > probably the same problems - but because you look here and Ireland can be so > very far away, it becomes an even bigger problem. > > Now, many records have been published in the past, in our old journals. > Many people today weep and gnash their teeth because there are no records > for this or that area - we have had many genealogists or family historians > who transcribed our records before the fire in 1922............only few know > of these publications. We have many parish records that are not part of the > general 'parish record' listing for any county, becasue they simply survive > as manuscripts held by the National Library and not as part of the general > something donated or filmed and belonging to any religion. > > Many complain of the lack of interest that the Irish have in their family > history. That they hold onto information passed down through generations. > I personally have over 60 first cousins on one side - I only know those who > were born in the same era as myself - if I even know that many - why would I > want to find more relatives? It's the same for all the Irish in > Ireland....... > > But it's not for you. > > I'm trying to explain us and our attitudes..........while I also want to get > something else across. > > Here in Ireland, genealogy is not recognised as being all that > important...........we have other things to do. Most complain about the few > Irish in Ireland they will find on mail lists - that those few who do lurk > are not willing to help. Few realise how many there are who want > information compared to the numbers who have some interest and would help - > statistically. > > My inbox currently has 1000 emails - yet, I have all the county lists I am > subscribed to with folders of their own and mail filtered to them. The > earliest date on my mail is July 2001. Maybe that says something. (I have > computer problems :-)!! > > When I was big into my graveyards - and the amount of work, time, energy, > and even visible monetory costs that go into the transcribing of one small > graveyard is a lot - I contacted various publishers and I was told that > there was no interest in graveyard transcriptions. > > To me, those transcriptions are so important, because I know the kinds of > questions you all ask. I know that parish records are so > important.............they are what you really, really seek - the basic > starting point. > > You, are the people who seek, some of us Irish in Ireland or Irish abroad > are the people who have and who can't publish - *because* we have no > inkling, no proof of how much interest is out there. > > How many people are there who if they knew the parish records for their area > were published would buy them...... > > How many people would buy graveyard transcriptions.......... > > It's my opinion that there are many, that the rootsweb mail lists and any > others only represent a very small proportion of the 'searchers'. I see and > hear so many people in the various Irish archives who haven't got a clue on > how to do their research.......I think it's something like they're on their > way to Ireland and suddenly realise what it means to them and then begin to > work on their family history.............. > > The internet is a very big place - it makes the world so > small............but in reality, it's really very small itself - compared to > the numbers who want to find their Irish Ancestry. > > This has been long...........and it may have been in my usual rambling > fashion. > > It just so happens that I am in a position where I may in the future be able > to show a publisher whether or not there would be an interest in > publications from Ireland with parish record data, with gravestone > transcriptions........ > > I'd like to be able to say all you have to do is tick this or that box and I > can work it all out statistically as towhat you want to see published - what > you would support - and I mean that word 'support' - there's no point in you > saying I'd like to see this or that........and then for you to go asking on > the web if anyone has a copy that they'd look up for you. > > There's no point in you all giving out about Ireland and the Irish here, not > if you look to your own country, to those who regardless of reasons make a > profit from genealogy. My mothers cousin was over from Washington a few > years ago and she brought some genealogy magazines for me - and the main > message that was coming across was how much of a business it all is. > > I've seen many stones thrown our way............and there are so few of us > on the web - there's no way we will stand up for ourselves. > > For once and for all - and for the moment I'll leave it at county basis. > > two questions then - maybe it can get broken down from here. > > Records - would you buy them if they were available for your > area...........would you encourage your local family history society to buy > them? > > What kind of records do you want? Pure genealogy? The history of the area? > Irish stories and history...... > > Would you buy something even though it did not help you specifically - > simply to encourage those with Irish records to publish? > > I'm only trying to think here - what do the researchers want? What is it you > would encourage people to publish? > > It all boils down to economics. > > That's life............whether we like it or not > > Jane > I would appreciate it if you would forward this mail to anyone who you think > may be interested in commenting on my last few questions. I have my family > history - and my family..........I would like to show others that there is > an interest in Irish family history. > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-LAOIS Mailing List ==== > To contact the listowner: > Ninah@carolina.rr.com > >

Researching the family of John BYRNE & Betty LYNCH of Inchacooly, Co. Laois, an area located in a bend of the River Barrow just a mile or 2 from the Kildare border and the town of Monasterevin. The Byrne family was living there, from 1820 to (probably) 1850's. The family's children were baptized in the RC church in Monasterevin (Family History Library film #0926120 Nurney, Co. Kildare). John BYRNE married Elizabeth ("Betty") LYNCH "before Lent" in 1820. Son Peter was born in Nov. of 1820. Other children: Dennis, Elizabeth, Patrick, Lucy (possibly m. a Kelly), John, Mary and Margaret (b.1838). The 1825 Tithe Applotment book lists only a "Widow" Byrne so presumably John's family was part of this household. The last 2 daughters married brothers: Mary m. John Stanton (in 1862) and Margaret m. James F. Stanton (1858) in Chicago. Peter and Lucy also lived in Chicago. We think that Patrick, Dennis and John came to NY state along the Hudson, probably Ft. Edward (Washington Co.). John's ("Burns") descendants were in Hoosick Falls (Renssalaer Co), NY. I have the descendants of Mary and Margaret, and some of John & Peter's. Can anyone connect? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

researching Julia Kelly b 1839 Port Arlington Queens Co Ireland m James Kelly immigrated to Australia 'Erin Go Brach' 1862 to Brisbane Queensland Australia One child with them on voyage Richard James Kelly aged 2. thank you Lorraine