Greetings to all on these list. I hold a copy of the Biographical index 1842-1885 for south australia i further got access to idexes as follows birth 1842-1906 death 1842-1915 marriage 1842-1915 and lots more, shipping list into South Austrlia upto 1886 then 1909 onwards. I am willing to do small lookup please write Regards robert __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards� http://movies.yahoo.com/

Greetings to all on these list. I hold a copy of the Biographical index 1842-1885 for south australia i further got access to idexes as follows birth 1842-1906 death 1842-1915 marriage 1842-1915 and lots more, shipping list into South Austrlia upto 1886 then 1909 onwards. I am willing to do small lookup please write Regards robert __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards� http://movies.yahoo.com/

Hi........Does anybody know where I could obtain either postcards, calendars, prints or any kind of photos of Abbeyleix or its surrounding areas? There are some nice pics of Ireland on <www.webshots.com> but I can't determine which, if any, are photos of Co. Laois. Thanks.....Margaret

hi i am new to this list and my interests lie with the following. corrigan, originally from westmeath, arrived in ballacolla circa 1900. kelly,maternal grandmothers family from durrow, thornton, o'leary and moore are ancestors of the kellys. i have names and dates if anyone is interested. martin kelly was the first person to be christened in the chapel in durrow after it was built(ggfather)

Michael, I'm very sorry to say this but you have it wrong..............the reason your ancestors were registered in Carlow is because they lived in that part of Co. Laois which is covered by Carlow Superintendant's Registrars office and so, legally they had to be registered in that Superintendant Registrar's Disctrict. Before we had civil registration we had th ePoor Law Unions and each PLU had an administrative centre usually a market or post town - the area covered by that PLU had a radius of about 10 miles around the town. Now, because our counties are small ten miles to either side of a town can take in parts of three counties. Carlow town is close to the Laois border and so it takes in parts of Laois. The thing is that when people know that their ancestors came from a certain county then they lok for information for civil registration districts that they know belong to that county. So, for example with Laois, most people will know that Abbeyleix is in Laois, adn they'll know that Mountmellick is and also they might find out that Donaghmore is (there are too many Donaghmores in Ireland and this one is only a two or three streets, two pub village). This is a list of the registration districts that cover Co. Laois. With one asterisk then it's Co. Laois only and with two it's Co. Laois and taking in parts of another county and three indicates that the town is physically located in another county. Here we have Athy which is in Kildare county and covering parts of Co. Laois and we have Roscrea which is in Co. Tipperary and also covers parts of Co. Laois. Abbeyleix* Athy*** Carlow*** Donaghmore* (Created 1850, dissolved Jan 1887) Mountmellick** Roscrea*** The way to see which parts of Laois are covered by any of these districts is to go to the Sean Ruad IrlAtlas (townalnds directory) web site at http://www.seanruad.com and key in whichever of these names that you want - then put Co. Laois or Queen's as the county and you will get a return of all the townlands that are physically part of Co. Laois but which belong to the Poor Law Union you looked for - if it's one of the more than one county ones. Arless and Balickmoyler will come up under Carlow. Civil registration was based on the Poor Law Unions and the townlands in the administrative area of any poor law union, so, if I had a child born in a particular townland and I went to the wrong district office to have the event registered - they would have to tell me to go to the district that covered my townland. If anyone wants to know more about civil registration in Ireland then please see: http://www.from-ireland.net/gene/civilregistration.htm After that - only Dublin has postal discricts - no-where else. We have one major phone company and they have us divided up into Zones. I used to say something like what you have said here in relation to parishes and churches and people going to their closest church for baptisms and funerals and such like - I don't now. What I have learned is that while it's true that they probably went to the closest church, and not the main parish church - the closest church may have been a chapel of ease to the parish church - the records for that closest church may be listed in those of the main parish church or there may have been a separate register - there may have been no records kept even! We can only see these separate registers when we go to th eparish register films - I can't tell you how many films for how many counties that I have found parish names listed on the film that are mentioned in none of the various indices or listing of remaining parish registers. So, now, I believe that they attended some church in their own parish - but that it may have been a chapel of ease - Also - the boundaries of parishes changed and the Bishops of Dioceses actually moved townlands from one parish to another from time to time - just to the parish next door really - but it was all administration based on the population and the number of priests he had. I had read of this but had never seen it until recently when I was working with some LImerick registers and on the front page of one the PP had kept notes as to the changes ordered by the bishop - over a 12 year time span (1833-49) the bishop annexed townalnds from one parish to the other and then some of them back again - plus he added or subtracted other townlands from the parish I was looking at to two other parishes - changed in 4 parishes altogether. So people who left in 1845 would say they came from this parish - and then those who left from the same family 3 years later would give their parish as another............ So you're very right in telling people to look in the parishes next door. Jane http://www.from-ireland.net http://www.from-ireland.net/contents/laoisconts.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Y-IRL/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Brennan" <michael@janbren.freeserve.co.uk> To: <IRL-LAOIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: [IRL-LAOIS] BRICK WALL'S - DEAD END'S in research > Hi everyone. (this is a long letter) >

My g-grandfather, James Kelly, was born in Stradbally-Timahoe, Queen's County about 1855. His parents were Michael and Catherine/Katherine Buggy Kelly. I am confused as to which Townland, Barony and Parish this information would fall into. Any help would be appreciated. Mary Elizabeth Ortzman

Hi everyone. (this is a long letter) It seems that there are a lot of researchers out there who are mentioning the fact that they have come to a 'Brick Wall' or 'A Dead End' in their search for their ancestors, especially those researching in Ireland. A thought did occurred to me the other day (I don't have many!) that you may be looking in the wrong places. Let me explain. This is an example on an address I just sent to someone (some details changed for privacy): The Big House Arless Ballickmoyler Carlow Ireland Tel: (Carlow) 0123 456 789 The address is confusing in itself if you are not familiar with the Irish postal system. In this case Ballickmoyler & Arless is in the County of Laois and Carlow is in County Carlow (obviously). Address's in Ireland are written according to where the letter has to go to get to its final destination. (remember, there are no Post Codes (Zip Codes) in rural Ireland (only in the big cities such as Dublin, Cork, Limerick etc). In the case above, Carlow is the main sorting office and is the nearest one to Arless. Ballickmoyler is the nearest sub Post Office to Arless. So all the mail for the area has to go to that office and then on to Arless which is the final delivery address. The nearest Telephone exchange to this part of Laois is also Carlow so the same would apply. Now, the same applies to the information that you see on Birth, Marriage and Death certificates. People may be living in one county, in this case the southern part of Laois and most people would go accross the border into the next county i.e Carlow, to register their B,M & D. In fact, it is also quite common for people who travelled outside of Ireland to say that they actually came from that town because no one would have heard of the village let alone know where that village was. It certainly wouldn't be in any official document that the authorities abroad could relate to. They would only have a list of the major towns of Ireland. So how can we determine where our folks were born/lived? The first piece of equipment you need is a good map/s of the county/s you are looking in, (in the case of Ireland the 'Discovery Series' are the best). I would also equip myself with all the maps that border on to that county as well. Now if you are under the impressions from family sources that your ancestors came from a certain town and after hours/days/months/years of research you come up with 'Zero', it is now time to start widening your search area and this is where your maps will come in useful. You have to pinpoint the County Administration Town of the County (this is where people have to go to register their Births etc and ask yourself, 'how long it would take to walk to that town'. Remember there were no motor cars in those days so everyone walked. (what a healthy life!). My Grandfather walked 8 miles to work carrying his Stonemasons tools in a bag over his shoulder. He would do a days work (Dawn to dusk) and then walk 8 miles home. (this is what people did and his journey was by no means the longest. I have evidence of much longer journeys and involved a steep hill upwards coming home). Once you have done your sum's, you may then find out why you cant find who you are looking for in the county that you were told originally because they were living accross the border in the next county and their own County Administration Town would have been too far away, (probably a days walking!) to register their Birth's Marriage's and Death's. Here is a question? Where did the people who were born in say the southern end of County Carlow? They probably went into Kilkenny or Wexford. Confused? so are a lot of other people researching. Parishes also crossed over into the next county and you might be born in Northern Ireland and registered in a Town in Southern Ireland. A bit extreme I know but that what we are looking at, extremes in research. I hope this will help all of you who are about to give up because you have searched every record in the parish where they were born. Try looking over the fence into the parish next door. You never know what you might find. I did that and found all my family who were born in Arless but registered in the next county which was Carlow. Good luck everyone and if you get STUCK give me a shout. Regards Michael Brennan Kent County in England CARLOW IGP URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar2/ My BRENNAN FAMILY/Co LAOIS URL: http://www.brennanfamilyhistory.com

I believe some people were having difficult with connecting to the first site I sent on the subject of Fashion. If that was the case then try this one: http://www.costumes.org/pages/timelinepages/1730to1775a.htm Anyone interested in what people were wearing yesteryear should visit this site: http://www.costumes.org/ You can now picture what your ancestors might have been wearing at the time they were around. Michael Brennan Kent County in England My BRENNAN FAMILY/Co LAOIS URL: http://www.brennanfamilyhistory.com CARLOW IGP URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar2/

I believe that a BRENNAN family emigrated to Castleton,Vermont in the 1820s from the village of Arless/Ballickmoyler in the County of Laois (Queens County) of Ireland. I wonder if there is anyone out there who could tell me anything about these BRENNAN's please. Michael Brennan Kent County in England My BRENNAN FAMILY/Co LAOIS URL: http://www.brennanfamilyhistory.com CARLOW IGP URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar2/

Anyone interested in what people were wearing yesteryear should visit this site: http://www.costumes.org/ You can now picture what your ancestors might have been wearing at the time they were around. Regards Michael Brennan Kent County in England CARLOW IGP URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar2/ My BRENNAN FAMILY/Co LAOIS URL: http://www.brennanfamilyhistory.com

Hello: I have subscribed to the Tipperary list, for two years. I thought I would try the adjacent county lists as well. My grandfather Francis (Frank) Stanley was born in 1886, in Cloughjordan, Tipperary. His parents, Richard and Mary Jane (née Stanley) were married at the Parish Church, in the Union of Shinrone, County Offaly, June 30, 1868. Richard's father, Richard Stanley, was from Finno(e), Tipperary, and Mary Jane's father, James Stanley, was from Toura, County Offaly. My grandfather, Frank's first wife was Frances, and their first born was Cyril H. Stanley, July 10, 1911, in Limerick, Ireland. They emigrated to Brandon, Manitoba, Canada in 1912, at about the same time that several other siblings went to Canada. One brother, Robert, moved to Belfast. I correspond with several other Irish Stanley descendants, residing in: Ireland, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. I would appreciate hearing from any others, with whom I am not yet in contact. Thank you, Marc

Shirley, Evoys were presumably MacEvoys at one time. There are records of them living in Co. Wexford as early as 1725. I'd be grateful for any ideas as to why this happened. My Youngs are from Rosenallis, then Cappalough and Clonaghadoo. Fennells and Cassidys from around Portarlington. I'm afraid I've no info on the name Barron. Regards, Jim

If you are new to Irish Genealogy or even if you have been at it awhile, there are online articles written by certified genealogists that can give you some ideas on Irish research. So, if you have not done some reading on the topic and feel you need to get some more background, I would suggest you try looking at the "Learn" section of Ancestry. You can't beat it for the money (it is free). The url is: http://www.ancestry.com/learn/main.htm In the search box type in Ireland (or whatever you are interested in). Then if you find articles by certain authors that you like and want to read more by that person, just type in their last name. You will then pull up what they have written. Sherry Irvine has written about Irish and English research for instance so you could put her name in. I like the general research articles done by Patricia Law Hatcher so I put Hatcher in to see what she has written. If you wish to print out any articles there is button on the left that says "Printer Friendly" so you don't have to print out the extraneous Ancestry "stuff". Enjoy! Christina

Happy St.Patrick's day to everyone. Michael Brennan Kent in England CARLOW IGP URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar2/ More Photos & Pages just been added. My BRENNAN FAMILY/Co LAOIS URL: http://www.brennanfamilyhistory.com

Mizzou at mizzou@mcmsys.com writes: << I am wondering if their is a town called Boston (not mass.) in Ireland (was queens co. in 1837) It must be near aghaboe parish >> Gee, and I thought this one was going to be a snap (after a series of difficult-to-explain e-mails earlier..........Happy St. Patrick's Day). But it's not, so bear with me. I went to the townland listings, found a Boston townland in Offerlane civil parish (not my favorite parish - too big, too many townlands to search). But I found it in a couple of minutes, less than 3 miles NE of Aghaboe town. Then I noticed it was only 33 acres and on the map (Discovery map 60), the word "Boston" looks isolated, way out in the middle of nowhere. So.....I went to the Townland Index maps and, sure enough, there's this little irregular triangular shape of Boston townland, no roads or trails within a couple of hundred yards. Almost as if it had been someone's field centuries ago, and they wanted it kept separate from the three much-larger surrounding townlands. It just didn't look right to me, as a place which would have ever had a house on it. So, I browsed around on the TI map, and quickly came across another townland, called "Boston or Coolballyogan", along the railroad line a bit more north of the other Boston - about 2 more miles to the NNE. This second one is listed in the Townland Listings (also, probably seanruad.com) under Coolballyogan, and is a bit larger, at 144 acres (we're up on map 54, now). The most interesting thing about this townland, however, is that it is the only townland in a small, isolated section of Abbeyleix civil parish, and is completely surrounded by Clonenagh and Clonagheen civil parish. This particular "Boston" townland does show at least a couple of houses, whereas the first townland was desolate. I don't know what to tell you. It could be the Boston which is 3 miles NE of Aghaboe, or it could be the Boston which is 4 or 5 miles NE of Aghaboe. Your choice. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Hello all in Laois, Happy St. Patricks Day. Bye Lorraine in Brisbane Australia Researching Julia KELLY b 1839 Port Arlington Queens County Ireland m James Kelly b1838 Phillips Town Kings county. Their first child b Richard James KELLY b 12 Sept 1858. (I don't know when the parents married or where. ) Richard James KELLY was Christened in the ' parish of DAINGEAN 14 th Sept 1858' Sponsors being Richard KELLY and Sophia KELLY .Philipstown (Daingean)

I am wondering if their is a town called Boston (not mass.) in Ireland (was queens co. in 1837) It must be near aghaboe parish, as my ancestors baptism is listed and then it says Boston or bostorr, difficult for me to read. Thank you mizzou@mcmsys.com

Since yesterday I have been bombarded with emails saying they are from Microsoft and contain a securtiy patch. I just did some investigating and find this is indeed a worm. Do not open a file called q216309.exe ostensibly from Microsoft. Regards, Christina listowner

Hi there... I have started up a Marriage page similar to the page for Baptisms on the IGP Laois page. There is a form to fill out to send me your information. I have to add your data so it is not instantaneous. You can access the page and form from the front page at: www.rootsweb.com/~irllex Happy St. Patrick's Day Christina listowner Laois-L

Greetings to the list this is my first time with this list. I have a Michael doody born c/1848 Queen County [married c/1868] a bridget Kennedy born c/1850 Kings County. shortly afterwards as the family tale goes they left for either Canada or the USA they had four kids to start with John Martin 1871 Patrick 1874 James 1876 mary 1879 the first two are listed on their dead cert. born Strianville USA, but i have never been able to find any info anywhere. mid 1883 they moved back to Plymouth UK then boarded the Hesperus landed in South Australia Sept 1883 four more kids here, Ellen 1884 Bridget [Dehlia] 1886 Margaret 1888 and Michael 1900. I have no other info going back My data is online at not the irish page http://home.iprimus.com.au/rjanmaat If there is a chance of anybody able to check or regonise the names, by the way the travelled on the Hesperus as DOWD. i dont know why. Regards robert __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/