Thanks Michael......I may have located my elusive gggf William Baxter. More research is required, but it is another lead to follow. Frank in Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Brennan" <michael@janbren.freeserve.co.uk> To: <IRL-LAOIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 3:50 PM Subject: [IRL-LAOIS] Public Record Office Online Catalogue > The Public Record Office in Kew now has an Online Catalogue which you can > search at http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/ > > Choose 'Search the Catalogue' > Box 1. - Type in the name you are searching > Box 2. - Type in the Year > Box 3. - Type in WO > > Regards > > Michael Brennan > Kent County in England > > CARLOW IGP URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar2/ > My BRENNAN FAMILY/Co LAOIS URL: http://www.brennanfamilyhistory.com > > > > > > ==== IRL-LAOIS Mailing List ==== > An Irishman has an abiding sense of tragedy which sustains him through temporary periods of joy. > >

The Public Record Office in Kew now has an Online Catalogue which you can search at http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/ Choose 'Search the Catalogue' Box 1. - Type in the name you are searching Box 2. - Type in the Year Box 3. - Type in WO Regards Michael Brennan Kent County in England CARLOW IGP URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar2/ My BRENNAN FAMILY/Co LAOIS URL: http://www.brennanfamilyhistory.com

Hi fellow listers, and the List Controller Due to technical problems I lost digests #35 (11/03/02) - #47 (29/03/02) inclusive. Is it possible to have these resent? Regards Gordon

Hi I'm new to this list. My grandfather Timothy Lawrence Maher was an orphan raised in Westmoreland county,Pennsylvania, USA. I have been searching for years trying to determine who his parents were. I recently discovered the death record of a Daniel Maher,in the general area where Grandpap claimed to have been born,and the approximate time period when he would have been born. This Daniel left a will naming his siblings as his heirs. No mention of Grandpap,however. His siblings were Patrick,Timothy,Honora,Mary (married to James Dunn) and Julia (married to Patrick McEvoy). His naturalization papers state that he was from Queens county ,Ireland and came to the USA in September,1846. Hoping to find any other info about this Daniel Maher. Thank you very much in advance Tom Maher Irwin,Pa. USA

Gordon, The simplest thing to do is go to the list archives and go into BROWSE. Then read the dates you have missed. The url for the archives is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-LAOIS.html You can find the archives for any Irish list by using this url: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/ Good luck, Christina > -----Original Message----- > From: Gordon Collingwood [mailto:gdc@paradise.net.nz] > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 9:08 PM > To: IRL-LAOIS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-LAOIS] Lost Emails > > > Hi fellow listers, and the List Controller > > Due to technical problems I lost digests #35 (11/03/02) - #47 > (29/03/02) inclusive. Is it possible to have these resent? > > Regards > > Gordon > > > ==== IRL-LAOIS Mailing List ==== > To contact the listowner: > Ninah@carolina.rr.com >

Hi everyone If anyone is interested I have just uploaded the complete list of BRENNAN's found in the Index to Griffith's Valuation of Ireland, 1848-1864 for the County of Laois (Queens County) IRL. Just click on the following: http://www.janbren.freeserve.co.uk/GV_BRENNAN_Leix.htm Regards Michael Brennan Kent County in England CARLOW IGP URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar2/ My BRENNAN FAMILY/Co LAOIS URL: http://www.brennanfamilyhistory.com

Hello to All - First let me say I've been subscribing for a few months now and have learned a lot from all of you. Thank you! I'm seeking information on Patrick McEVOY, b. 1805, Mountmellick, Laois. Patrick came to the US in 1823. He settled in Lancaster, PA, and soon became a railroad contractor on the Pennsylvania Central Railroad. . He married Julia MAHER, b. 1813, Mountmellick, Laois; daughter of Timothy and Mary (GORMAN) MAHER in July 1835 in Mountmellick. He was the contractor on the Horseshoe Curve section of the railroad at Altoona. Family lore is that he was either a cousin or uncle of Peter F. McEVOY (my husband's g-grandfather) and was instrumental in bringing Peter to the US. Peter McEVOY, b. 5 Jan 1825, Mountmellick, Laois, emigrated to the US as a young man (possibly around 1850), settled in Lancaster, PA, and went to work for the railroad. He married Julia Ann DUNN 13 Jul 1858, in Lancaster, PA. Julia was born in 1837 in Portarlington, Offaly. Peter and Julia had nine children. - Ella E., Julia A. Edward T., Mary L., John W., Michael J., Patrick A., James H., and Peter F. I've been unable to conclusively connect parents or siblings to either of these men. I do believe, though, that Peter McEVOY had a brother Dennis McEVOY who lived in Pittsburgh in 1870 and possibly two sisters Jane Flanigan and Mrs. John Woods still in Ireland at that time. These people as well as Dennis' son Terrence, Jane's daughter Ellen, and Mrs. John Woods' daughter Kate are all mentioned in Patrick McEVOY's will in 1870. Does anyone have information that might connect to any of these people? I'd be happy to share any of the information I have. Nancy McEvoy

Probably born around 1810, married to John FINNAMORE, a blacksmith, about 1830, had three sons and a daughter (Patrick, John, David and Eliza), and died sometime around 1850. In the late 1840s she was listed as living in "Chapel Row, Kilmanmon", when the family was known to the following individuals according to documentation I have found: Major DUNN Reverend BALDWIN Councillor DUNN Her husband, John FINNAMORE, had an uncle George FINNAMORE who lived in Clonaslee in 1837. Does anyone have any knowledge of this family?

There has been talk recently on some lists relating to Irish birth, marriage and death records and last week I had begun something in relation to what you can do with information that is easily available to you (not parish records). I'm going to forward this to the Armagh and Cavan and Laois lists because it was on them that BDM records have been mentioned, I'm posting it to the Antrim list because I have Antrim well covered on my BDM pages and then I'm posting to two rootsweb lists that I am admin for - Leix and Monaghan I don't want to overload people's mail boxes if they are subbed to all these lists, so, this and only two other posts relating to one common surname in one county will go to Antrim, Armagh and Cavan and Laois. People will have some bit of an idea of what can be done once I finish with the first surname which is a county specific example. These mails are geared towards those who don't knwo where in a county their ancestors came from, though they may hold a few new points for others ;-) This is in some ways a rehash of what I posted last week, it is definitely a thread I have posted to the mail lists over the years - in one form or another....but it is not the same......... There are a number of resources which can be used to give us some idea of which part of Ireland or a county a surname was found in - and, unfortunately, while these resources are easily available to anyone who has a Family History Centre in their locality, some of them are not used for a number of reasons. I think, perhaps the main reason is a lack of understanding of their value to a researcher. I imagine with civil records, it is because most believe that civil records can hold no value to them and then, there are all our land divisions - some of which I had never heard of until I got into genealogy - and some of which mean nothing today, but many of which people will include in every post they make re their ancestors - townlands, baronies, parishes (civil and religious) Poor Law Unions, Registrar's Districts, Superintendant Regisrar's Districts, District Electoral Divisions, Counties, Provinces - and as for where is where - there's northern Ireland and sourthern Ireland - and Ulster, that's a province composed of nine counties - but only six of them are in northern Ireland and the rest in southern Ireland - *but* Donegal lies right beside Tyrone - and Tyrone, that's in Northern Ireland but Donegal - that's in Southern Ireland........ Mind boggling - the lot................!! Divisions are needed depending on what you are looking at - and what information you do have on your ancestors..........and the more you have and are listing everywhere - then the more you will confuse yourself. So, we're going to try and simplify some things - I'm going to try and show you how something like Irish civil records can be of some help to you, regardless of when your ancestors left Ireland. We're going to try and see how much information is really available on the internet if you know the right words to look for - we're going to have a bit of a go at comparing information on the Griffiths cd which so many have, and use to do look ups for other people, with the information that can be had simply by looking at some names in the Householder's Index - that is the Griffiths and Tithes surname index for each county. What is known as the Griffiths Valuation was an assessment of land and property carried out in the 1850's+ and this gives us some idea of the names of people who were leasing land at that time. The Tithes were another tax and the Tithe Applotment books predate Griffiths usually by about 20 years. Civil registration began for non-catholic marriages in 1845 and then became compulsory for all, births, deaths and marriages from 1864 onwards. We therefore have 2-3 time frames to work with - *and* names did disappear from a civil parish or a townland between the time of the Tithes and the Griffiths. This, is not shown on the Griffiths cd - which is lacking in other ways as well - but, the Grifiths cd is, nevertheless, an important research tool - as an initial guide. What I want to know is whether or not surname variations are included in this cd. I have begun a table with surnames on it and I will show you this when I'm finished - I began with not too many surnames and last time I looked it had increased to 52 - including variations as I come across them in a county and listed in the Householders index - on my table I am noting whether the name occured in both the Griffiths and Tithes within a county - or just one. One tells us that the name had either appeared in the intervening years, or thta someone of that surname had acquired more land (if listed in Griffiths and not Tithes) there is also the possibililty that someone of that name had moved in or out of that area........ When I finish with that table, I'd like to compare it with what I have found in civil records for those surnames. Everything is guesswork however............but some guesswork is better than some other guesswork I have a friend who is interested in his own surname as well as a few more - he had copies of parish records from Ireland with that surname on them, so he was lucky..........I found one reference in the civil registers to his surname..........the name no longer is found here. Yet, one day reading through postings on the County Cork mail list I spotted that surname again - I think it was Margaret Moon made the 1766 census posts? and they are now on Margaret Grogans web site. Anyway - the surname was in Co. Cork in 1766 - the parish was right noext door to the Waterford parish that my friend knew his family came from - and so, we had an earlier date and obviously the family moved across the border - or else, because they were not Catholics - their church was in Co. Waterford - that is the closest one of their religion. Small things can count and remembering not to pen the family in to one area is important. Common surnames - there's not a lot can be done with them - but if you have two surnames together, then that help eliminate places. Once you are into parish records, then it can become a whole different ball game. First or Christian names - they can tell us a lot too,- or, I think so. I see all of this 'Irish naming pattern' being passed about the web and to tell the truth I can't honestly say I've seen much of the way it's said to go in what I've seen of records - the first son and the first daughter..........and maybe the second son and daughter - well, they're probably going to have been called after the Grandparents nad parents all right but after that - you're into no man's land - a brother a sister, a favourite person, a dead child................ There's nothing definitive and too many variables and too many common names. It's the less common names that you have to home in on - the least common surname in your tree - the least common first names - that's your best shot. My objectives with these posts will be to show you that by using the civil records and the Householders index you can find a number of places in Ireland that a surname was found - in that, you can say my ansectors came from here or there - take teh most common place for a name as your main area to begin research in and then work your way out to the other places for which there seem to have been fewer records of that surname. The surnames I work with are irrelevant - it's in how I play with them, or say what I can see and the guesswork from what I can see that is important. In my Householder's Index table, I use surnames that I don't use in the mails - I want to make sure that everyone realises that nothing is definite in all of this - there is no proof, there cannot be any statistical analysis, not really.........just a bit of a play at things So. over the next while, I'll show you a few scenarios........ A few surnames to a county or counties...........usually the unusual kind the changes in a surname spelling over time here in Ireland - how it was one way in earlier years and how it's not that way now. Spellings can be used to cut out a few places or home in on somewhere before the other depending on the time frame A common enough surname or two - not of the O'Brien or Kelly variety which is everywhere - but some others found in a few counties. A surname that I know to be found and have been found in Kerry and for which I have found no reference in the Griffiths or Tithes in Kerry - and none in civil registration either. I'd like to show some things re an odd first name or two - re-invent the old family naming pattern a bit maybe ;-) All in all, nothing conclusive - but guidelines, always remembering that most names were probably found somewhere in a county. What we want to do is try to work out ways to try and help those who haven't got a clue and who are totally confused re the various Irish divisions. I think, there are more of those about than the other. Jane

Hi everyone Just like to wish everyone a Very Happy Easter. Regards Michael Brennan Kent County in England CARLOW IGP URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar2/ My BRENNAN FAMILY/Co LAOIS URL: http://www.brennanfamilyhistory.com

Ditto Michael and a Happy Easter hug to all. Donald O'Collaugh Kelly National Coordinator Ireland Genealogy Projects, IGP URL= http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Brennan" <michael@janbren.freeserve.co.uk> To: <IRL-LAOIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 10:32 AM Subject: [IRL-LAOIS] Happy Easter everyone > Hi everyone > > Just like to wish everyone a Very Happy Easter. > > Regards > > Michael Brennan > Kent County in England > > CARLOW IGP URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar2/ > My BRENNAN FAMILY/Co LAOIS URL: http://www.brennanfamilyhistory.com > > > > > > ==== IRL-LAOIS Mailing List ==== > To contact the listowner: > Ninah@carolina.rr.com > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/02

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE - REF LOOK-UP'S IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED A LIST OF NAMES AS A RESULT OF A LOOK-UP REQUEST COULD WE PLEASE, PLEASE ASK THAT YOU DELETE THE LIST BEFORE YOU RETURN A REPLY TO THE SENDER. Thank you all (and I didn't meant to shout, honestly). Regards Michael Brennan Kent County in England CARLOW IGP URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar2/ My BRENNAN FAMILY/Co LAOIS URL: http://www.brennanfamilyhistory.com

Hi......Thanks to everyone who contributed info regarding photos of Co Laois. Marg

In reviewing the aghavoe parrish records I took a few notes, some that were for my family, and some that were not, but good possiblities, I thought I would share these, just in case, some ones family is mentioned here. > 8/27/1800 in coolarurra, john edward dowling was born and patrick Bergin, > and margaret Broder were sponsors. > Mary Dowling, daughter of edward and sarah born 1/18/1846 > sponsors, john dowling and mary dunn or dumm. > 2/5/1826 Timothy Dowling married mary dunn witness Lalor, and honor phelan > 1837 patrick dowling (my husbands gr. gr. grandfather born to Patt. > Edm. Dowling, and sarah phelan. sponsors, john phelan and catherine Dowling > Domicile: (lives in boston ireland) aghaboe parrish > 3/1829 Derby Dowling married Jane McElvoy in Bohernard > 2/1830 edward Dowling to margaret Phelan of ballygarilau > 1/10/1833 patrick phelan and catherine dowling > 2/25/1832 bapt. john Dowling Honor Bondrum "illigitament" sponsor - mary > murphy > 5/18/1832 bapt. Judy john fitzpatrick and judy Brophy sponsor edward dowling > and honor ryles > 3/31/1832 bapt. margaret, daughter of Patt Cuddihy and judy dowling > 6/5/1834 bapt. Mary, daught of Thomas Dowling and ? Cuddy > 1/16/1835 William John Dowling of agahove to ellen ? sponsor ? J. A. > Ryan > 11/27/1797 babt. mary catherine to patrick and margaret dowling-- borris > 1/18/1797 Dennis Murphy, mary Dowling marriage > 1/5/1798 Elinor to jeremy Byrne or 's and elinor Dowling. sponsors patrick > delaney and mary Brunnan-- oldglays > 6/1/1814 bapt. mary. parents Daniel Dowling and Mary thomas sponsors Edward > dowling and mary lalor ---knockfin > 1816 bapt. margaret to michael and mary phelan sponsors Patt Byrne and > catherine phelan --grange, ireland > 4/28/1828 william dan dooling, and sally phelan sp. catherine and michael > Mcevoy, Beck Bollard > Still searching dowling family,............ Decendents of Edward dowling born 11/10/1807 and sarah Phelan Dowling born 9/24/1820 in queens co. of aghaboe. Town of Boston Ireland. sarah, and 2 of her sons immigrated to the u.s in 1851. Still cannot find edward dowling, possibly died in Ireland, as havent found him on any u.s. census. I believe him to have died between abt. 1848--(re: a sons birth,) and 1851when sarah immigrated to u.s. > Hope this information helps some one. dawn dowling mizzou@mcmsys.com >

I am searching for Info on brothers....william, edward and patrick dowling,and a sister mary born 1/1846 who were from boston, Ireland immigrated in 1851. One of Williams sons, married margaret walsh , who was born 6/27/1867, daughter of thomas m. walsh and bridget connel walsh. Patrick was listed in aghaboe parrish records as being baptized 4/1837. Any information greatly appreciated. Dawn Dowling mizzou@mcmsys.com

I would be interested in exchanging information with anyone with a connection to a FINNAMORE family that lived in or around Clonaslee in 1837. -- Ian Jones Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

Hi Margaret, Try the National Photographic archive at the National Library of Ireland. http://www.nli.ie/fr_arch.htm Regards, Jim Evoy

Christina Hunt posted several photos of the Portarlington, Jamestown, Lea, Laois area, to the rootsweb site. They are here: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/photos.htm From the main website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/index.htm go to Photos of Lea. I have permission by the Dempseys of the area, who took the photos, to share them, if you need a JPEG file. These are "landscape" photos, that include the Lea (Dempsey) castle. The Dempseys say that there are usually black swans on the River Barrow. All the photos are from Fall 2001. For more of a sense of "walking around" go to the Dempseys website at http://www.barrowvale.com/abbeyview/index.asp (there's alot on the rooms and hotel etc., however my favorite is the photo captioned, "This is the side entrance, you can park your car here. Give a wave to the neighbours !!") Also, don't miss the "History". The history includes information well beyond the cottage, and also includes surnames Coady, Dempsey, O'Connor, Adair, Finnegan, D'Donnell, Carroll, as pertains to the Cottage owners, it's history and the community. It also includes current information on the local bees and birds. Go to the bottom of the page to Outside views. Scroll down past the apple trees.

Message for Bob Brennan Your Email came bouncing back. Index to Griffith's Valuation of Ireland, 1848-1864 Brennan, Edward County : Laois/Leix/Queens Parish : Aghaboe Location : Gortnaclea Jane Lyons has written a long article on the PARISH OF AGHABOE which can be found at http://www.from-ireland.net/aghaboeparish.htm Regards Michael Brennan Kent County in England CARLOW IGP URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar2/ My BRENNAN FAMILY/Co LAOIS URL: http://www.brennanfamilyhistory.com

This email was sent to the IRL-TIPPERARY list. This website is worth checking out. It explains how to search by batch numbers. Try it out! Regards, Christina -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Pearson [mailto:kathypea@yahoo.com.au] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 2:34 AM To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Re: recent email on LDS batch numbers Go to http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#Page Click on where it says "Click here to skip this stuff... etc" and there you are. Kathy --- Owen & Del Treadwell <o.treadwell@brisnet.org.au> wrote: > Can anyone help me, recently an Email was placed on either this list or the > Northampton one, which gave instructions on how to trace the LDS records > using batch numbers. > I copied the address for the information and used it once with some success > (thank you so much) but my computer crashed completely and I have lost > everything for the past 3 months so if somebody remembers the address I > would appreciate it very much. > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Always have an informative Subject Heading!!! > http://www.sold.com.au - SOLD.com.au Auctions - 1,000s of Bargains! ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== User Contributed Irish Databases at Rootsweb: http://userdb.rootsweb.com/regional.html#Ireland