Hello Listers, This matter is urgent. I am placing the following on all Lists in Ireland. If you have any information regarding this person please reply in private. I obviously cannot stay subscribed to every list as much as I would like too because apart from everything else, my email box would explode. I am living in South Australia and researching our family history, and am keen to trace Mr my husband's Birth-mother, Margaret Josephine McDONNELL. Miss McDONNELL, moved from Co Dublin to Birmingham, in August 1947 and lived at Hazelville Road, Hall Green until the early 1950's. Miss McDONNELL, who was known as Josie, worked at Joseph Lucas Ltd, probably at Formans Road or Shaftmoor Lane. Miss McDONNELL, may have married thus changing her name. If still live, she will now be about 85 years old. My husband's birth-mother may have returned to Dublin in later years or well could have gone to another part of Ireland. Anyone who remembers her or can give any information is asked to email Roslyn McKearney at cooindabbs@ozemail.com.au . I would enphasize, please only respond if you have genuine information. Thank you. Regards, Roslyn McKearney - South Australia E-mail: mailto:cooindabbs@ozemail.com.au Cooinda Online URL: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~cooindabbs McKearney's URL: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~gerros --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/30/02

Hi All, I'm researching my Kennedy and Brennan Family from Arless (Killabban), Slieumargue, Queens County, Laois. James Kennedy married Bridget (Biddy) Brennan around 1824. They had four children that I know of - Robert born around 1830, Anne born around 1832, Michael born between 1832-1835 and John born about 1834. The four children came here to Australia around 1856. Both James and Bridget died prior to 1856. Would love to hear from anyone who is researching the Kennedy or Brennan name in Laois. Cheers Leanne

Is anyone researching the Tobin or Dooling surname from County Laois? I'd like to hear from you. Ed Lubinsky

Thank you Chris. I enjoy looking at photographs of old cemeteries. I always ask myself if perhaps part of my extended family are buried there. Slan go foill, do chara Donald O'Collaugh Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Hunt" <Ninah@carolina.rr.com> To: <IRL-LAOIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 7:35 AM Subject: [IRL-LAOIS] Some new photos of markers > Hi there! > I have just added some grave marker photos (courtesy of James Langton) to the Queen's County Marker page. The url is: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/marker2.htm > I have not mentioned this is in a long time, but if you would like to share your Laois Co (Queen's) ancestor's markers I will be glad to add them. They should be either from Laois or say where the person was from on the marker. Due to the space graphics use up I would prefer they be older graves. Well, I just think those old markers are neat. > > Incidentally, I have a friend with a lot of old Irish superstitions who told me her family would never have a grave photo in the house. She is a good friend though. I asked for photos of graves in Detroit, Michigan when she went there. They were unmarked, so I have photos of her standing on my ancestors graves to show me where they were. <G> > > Best wishes, > Christina > www.rootsweb.com/~irllex > -- > Christina Hunt, Ninah@carolina.rr.com on 06/02/2002 > > > ==== IRL-LAOIS Mailing List ==== > For help with virus problems try Symantic: > http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/02

Hi there! I have just added some grave marker photos (courtesy of James Langton) to the Queen's County Marker page. The url is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/marker2.htm I have not mentioned this is in a long time, but if you would like to share your Laois Co (Queen's) ancestor's markers I will be glad to add them. They should be either from Laois or say where the person was from on the marker. Due to the space graphics use up I would prefer they be older graves. Well, I just think those old markers are neat. Incidentally, I have a friend with a lot of old Irish superstitions who told me her family would never have a grave photo in the house. She is a good friend though. I asked for photos of graves in Detroit, Michigan when she went there. They were unmarked, so I have photos of her standing on my ancestors graves to show me where they were. <G> Best wishes, Christina www.rootsweb.com/~irllex -- Christina Hunt, Ninah@carolina.rr.com on 06/02/2002

Hello to everyone I am new to this list and researching the above names in this county. Looking for any information on: Dominick WHELAN b. abt 1820 m. Mary ? (poss DALY) bef 1846 in Lex, IRE and they had a son Dominick Daly WHELAN b. 1846 in Lex, IRE. I found Dominick snr in the Griffith's Valuation in the Parish of Ballyadams; Location Ratherrig. Also found DALY's in the Parish of Ballyadams; Location Drumroe and Whitebog who may/may not be connected to the WHELAN family. Dominick Daly WHELAN arr. Australia 1864/5 d.1910 in Adelaide, South Australia. Mary WHELAN d. 1889 in Nth Adelaide, South Australia. Regards Diane Scanlon Esperance, West Australia

I am looking for any information on John BRENNAN born 17 August 1892 in Co Laois and the son of Mark BRENNAN and Kate LALOR. John BRENNAN served in the British Army during the 1914-1918 war in France. His regiment was the Royal Irish Rifles. I have searched PRO in Kew and can find no trace of him so I cannot get his regimental number which would be a great help. I have also been in touch with the Royal Irish Rifles bin Belfast but they cannot help without a regimental number. If this man is in any of your ancestral trees I would love to hear from you. There is a photo of this man on my web site: http://www.janbren.freeserve.co.uk/William%20Brennan.htm if you care to have a look. Regards Michael Brennan Kent County in England Award Winning CARLOW IGP: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar2/ My FAMILY/Co LAOIS URL: http://www.brennanfamilyhistory.com

Index to Griffith's Valuation of Ireland, 1848-1864 Grennan, Alice County : Down Parish : Clonduff Location : Ballyweely Grennan, Andrew County : Cavan Parish : Drung Location : Cornacarrow Grennan, Anne County : Carlow Parish : Barragh Location : Deerpark Old Grennan, Anne County : Cavan Parish : Drung Location : Drumbrollisk Grennan, Anne County : Dublin Parish : Dublin City Location : North City Ward Mary Street Grennan, Anne County : Dublin Parish : St. Marys Location : Mary-Street Grennan, Bernard County : Down Parish : Clonduff Location : Cabragh Grennan, Bernard County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilbride Location : Tullamore/Barrack-Lane or Tea-Lane Grennan, Brien, Jr. County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Durrow Location : Loughaun Grennan, Brien, Sr. County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Durrow Location : Loughaun Grennan, Bryan County : Westmeath Parish : Kilcumreragh Location : Coolatoor Grennan, Cath County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilbride Location : Ballickmoyler Comment : Jas Grennan, Cath County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilbride Location : Ballickmoyler Comment : Mick Grennan, Catherine County : Down Parish : Kilcoo Location : Letalian Grennan, Catherine County : Leitrim Parish : Carrigallen Location : Clooncorick Town of Carrigallen Main St Grennan, Catherine County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilbride Location : Kilgortin Grennan, Catherine County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Rahan Location : Tullymore-Rahan Grennan, Catherine County : Wexford Parish : St. Mullins Location : Curlaun Grennan, Catherine L. County : Down Parish : Newry Location : T/Newry/Kilmorey Street Grennan, Christopher County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilcumreragh Location : Parkwood Grennan, Daniel County : Westmeath Parish : Ballyloughloe Location : Cappaghbrack Grennan, Darby County : Westmeath Parish : Ballymore Location : Raheen Grennan, Darby County : Westmeath Parish : Drumraney Location : Ardborra Grennan, Darby County : Westmeath Parish : Drumraney Location : Baskin High Grennan, David County : Dublin Parish : Dublin City Location : Merchants' Quay Ward Nicholas Street Grennan, David County : Dublin Parish : Dublin City Location : Wood Quay Ward Castle Street Grennan, David County : Dublin Parish : St. Nicholas Without Location : Nicholas-St. Grennan, David County : Dublin Parish : St. Werburghs Location : Castle-Street Grennan, David County : Kilkenny Parish : Listerlin Location : Ballycurrin Grennan, David County : Westmeath Parish : Kilcumreragh Location : Coolatoor Grennan, Denis County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Geashill Location : Killelery Grennan, Edmund County : Carlow Parish : St. Mullins Location : Ballybeg Big Grennan, Edmund County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilmanaghan Location : Cloghatanny Grennan, Edward County : Laois/Leix/Queens Parish : Kilmanman Location : Brockagh Grennan, Edward County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Ardnurcher or Horseleap Location : Tully Grennan, Edward County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilmanaghan Location : Cloghatanny Grennan, Edward County : Roscommon Parish : Tibohine Location : Cloontowart Grennan, Edward County : Westmeath Parish : Kilcumreragh Location : Ballintober Grennan, Ellen County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Rahan Location : Killina Grennan, Mrs. Frances County : Laois/Leix/Queens Parish : Borris Location : Maryborough (Market Sq.) Grennan, Francis County : Carlow Parish : St. Mullins Location : Slievedurda Grennan, Henry County : Down Parish : Clonduff Location : Ballyweely Grennan, Hugh County : Cavan Parish : Drung Location : Lisgannon Grennan, Hugh County : Down Parish : Annaclone Location : Ballysheil Grennan, Hugh County : Down Parish : Ardglass Location : T/Ardglass/Bath Street Grennan, Hugh County : Leitrim Parish : Carrigallen Location : Clooncorick Town of Carrigallen Chc St. Grennan, Isabella County : Cavan Parish : Drumgoon Location : Tullybrick Grennan, James County : Carlow Parish : Barragh Location : Deerpark Old Grennan, James County : Down Parish : Blaris Location : Annacloy Grennan, James County : Dublin Parish : Monkstown Location : Newtown Blackrock George's Lane Grennan, James County : Kilkenny Parish : Inistioge Location : T/Inistioge/High Street Grennan, James County : Kilkenny Parish : Kilmakevoge Location : Haggard Grennan, James County : Laois/Leix/Queens Parish : Coolkerry Location : Middlemount/Ballyvoghlaun Grennan, James County : Mayo Parish : Kilcolman Location : Town of Ballaghaderreen Pound Street Grennan, James County : Mayo Parish : Kilmovee Location : Kilmore Grennan, James County : Mayo Parish : Kilmovee Location : Kilmovee Grennan, James County : Mayo Parish : Kilmovee Location : Sonvolaun Grennan, James County : Mayo Parish : Kilmovee Location : Urlaur Grennan, James County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Ardnurcher or Horseleap Location : Kilmalady, Big Grennan, James County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Drumcullen Location : Tinnacross Grennan, James County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Geashill Location : Cappancur Grennan, James County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilbride Location : Tullamore/Ruddock's-Lane Grennan, James County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilmanaghan Location : Cloghatanny Grennan, James County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Rahan Location : Killina Grennan, James County : Tyrone Parish : Drumragh Location : Tamlaght Grennan, James County : Westmeath Parish : Ballyloughloe Location : Killachonna (Clibborn) Grennan, James County : Westmeath Parish : Ballyloughloe Location : Shurock Grennan, James County : Westmeath Parish : Kilkenny West Location : Annagh Grennan, James County : Westmeath Parish : Kilkenny West Location : Brittas Grennan, James County : Westmeath Parish : Noughaval Location : Lisdossan Grennan, James County : Westmeath Parish : Noughaval Location : Noughaval Grennan, Jane County : Down Parish : Rathmullan Location : T/Killough/Barrack Lane Grennan, Jas County : Monaghan Parish : Killeevan Location : Lecklevera Grennan, John County : Cavan Parish : Drung Location : Drumbrollisk Grennan, John County : Cavan Parish : Drung Location : Dunmurry Grennan, John County : Cavan Parish : Drung Location : Lisbree Grennan, John County : Cavan Parish : Drung Location : Lisgannon Grennan, John County : Clare Parish : Moynoe Location : Carrowmore Grennan, John County : Down Parish : Clonduff Location : Ballynanny Grennan, John County : Down Parish : Clonduff Location : Kinghill Grennan, John County : Down Parish : Down Location : Bonecastle Grennan, John County : Kildare Parish : Timahoe Location : Timahoe East Grennan, John County : Kilkenny Parish : Aghaviller Location : Carrickmerlin Grennan, John County : Kilkenny Parish : Clonamery Location : Oldcourt Grennan, John County : Kilkenny Parish : Inistioge Location : Inistioge Grennan, John County : Kilkenny Parish : Inistioge Location : T/Inistioge/High Street Grennan, John County : Kilkenny Parish : Inistioge Location : T/Inistioge/Main Street Grennan, John County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Durrow Location : Loughaun Grennan, John County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilcumreragh Location : Faheeran Grennan, John County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Rahan Location : Murragh Grennan, John County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Rahan Location : Rahan Demesne Grennan, John County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Rahan Location : Tullymore-Rahan Grennan, John County : Roscommon Parish : Kiltullagh Location : Laughil Grennan, John County : Tyrone Parish : Drumragh Location : Cavanacaw Lower Grennan, John County : Westmeath Parish : Kilcumreragh Location : Ballynagrenia Grennan, John County : Westmeath Parish : Kilkenny West Location : Annagh Grennan, John County : Wexford Parish : Kilrush Location : Ballyroebuck Grennan, Joseph County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Geashill Location : Killurin Grennan, Joseph County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilmanaghan Location : Cloghatanny Grennan, Laurence County : Kildare Parish : Kilmeage Location : Robertstown, West Grennan, Lawrence County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Rahan Location : Bohernagrisna Grennan, Loughlin County : Down Parish : Clonduff Location : Islandmoyle Grennan, Loughlin County : Louth Parish : Dundalk Location : Town Parks/T/Dundalk/Bridge Street Grennan, Margaret County : Cavan Parish : Drumgoon Location : Drumbrade Grennan, Margaret County : Down Parish : Kilmegan Location : Wateresk Grennan, Margaret County : Kilkenny Parish : Inistioge Location : T/Inistioge/Main Street Grennan, Margaret County : Mayo Parish : Kilmovee Location : Ranagissaun Grennan, Mark County : Mayo Parish : Kilmovee Location : Tavraun Grennan, Martin County : Carlow Parish : Rahill Location : Broughillstown Grennan, Martin County : Kilkenny Parish : Listerlin Location : Ballycurrin Grennan, Martin County : Laois/Leix/Queens Parish : Clonenagh and Clonagheen Location : Omoresforest Grennan, Martin County : Mayo Parish : Kilmovee Location : Urlaur Grennan, Martin County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilbride Location : Raheen Grennan, Martin County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilmanaghan Location : Cloghatanny Grennan, Martin County : Wexford Parish : Templeludigan Location : Templeludigan Grennan, Mary County : Cavan Parish : Drung Location : Lisgannon Grennan, Mary County : Down Parish : Clonduff Location : Ballyweely Grennan, Mary County : Kildare Parish : Ballynadrumny Location : Royaloak Grennan, Mary County : Leitrim Parish : Carrigallen Location : Cullen and Brownhill Grennan, Mary County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilmanaghan Location : Bolart South Grennan, Mary County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilmanaghan Location : Kilmanaghan Grennan, Mary County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Rahan Location : Killina Grennan, Matthew County : Carlow Parish : St. Mullins Location : Ballybeg Big Grennan, Matthew County : Down Parish : Drumballyroney Location : Lackan Grennan, Matthew County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilbride Location : Erry Armstrong Grennan, Michael County : Cavan Parish : Drung Location : Drumbrollisk Grennan, Michael County : Cavan Parish : Drung Location : Lisbree Grennan, Michael County : Down Parish : Clonduff Location : Doward Grennan, Michael County : Down Parish : Down Location : Ballydugan Grennan, Michael County : Mayo Parish : Kilmovee Location : Kilmore Grennan, Michael County : Mayo Parish : Kilmovee Location : Kilmovee Grennan, Michael County : Mayo Parish : Kilmovee Location : Ranagissaun Grennan, Michael County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Ardnurcher or Horseleap Location : Cloncraff Grennan, Michael County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Durrow Location : Loughaun Grennan, Michael County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilbride Location : Clara Grennan, Michael County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilbride Location : Town of Clara/Church Street Grennan, Michael County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilbride Location : Town of Tullamore/Wellington Barracks Grennan, Michael County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Rahan Location : Loughroe Grennan, Owen County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Killoughy Location : Derrylahan Grennan, Patk County : Dublin Parish : Dublin City Location : Arran Quay Ward Hendrick Place Comment : Lodgers Grennan, Patk. County : Mayo Parish : Kilmovee Location : Urlaur Comment : John Grennan, Patk. County : Mayo Parish : Kilmovee Location : Urlaur Comment : Martin Grennan, Patk., Jr. County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Durrow Location : Loughaun Grennan, Patk., Sr. County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Durrow Location : Loughaun Grennan, Patrick County : Cavan Parish : Drung Location : Cornakill Grennan, Patrick County : Cavan Parish : Drung Location : Dunmurry Grennan, Patrick County : Cavan Parish : Templeport Location : Porturlan Grennan, Patrick County : Down Parish : Clonduff Location : Cabragh Grennan, Patrick County : Down Parish : Clonduff Location : Stang Grennan, Patrick County : Dublin Parish : Dublin City Location : Arran Quay Ward Hendrick Place Grennan, Patrick County : Dublin Parish : Dublin City Location : North City Ward Mary's Abbey Grennan, Patrick County : Dublin Parish : St. Marys Location : Mary's-Abbey Grennan, Patrick County : Dublin Parish : St. Pauls Location : Hendrick-Place Grennan, Patrick County : Dublin Parish : St. Pauls Location : Hendrick-Place Comment : Lodgers Grennan, Patrick County : Kildare Parish : Timahoe Location : Derryvarroge Grennan, Patrick County : Kilkenny Parish : Kilkeasy Location : Ballybray Grennan, Patrick County : Kilkenny Parish : Listerlin Location : Ballycurrin Grennan, Patrick County : Leitrim Parish : Drumreilly Location : Curraghatawy Grennan, Patrick County : Leitrim Parish : Kiltubbrid Location : Corglass Grennan, Patrick County : Mayo Parish : Kilmovee Location : Urlaur Grennan, Patrick County : Mayo Parish : Kilmovee Location : Urlaur Comment : Martin Grennan, Patrick County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilbride Location : Aharney Grennan, Patrick County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilbride Location : Clara Grennan, Patrick County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilbride Location : Kilgortin Grennan, Patrick County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilbride Location : Town of Clara/River-Street Grennan, Patrick County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilbride Location : Tullamore Grennan, Patrick County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilbride Location : Tullamore Barrack Street Grennan, Patrick County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Lemanaghan Location : Pollagh Grennan, Patrick County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Rahan Location : Ballindrinan Grennan, Patrick County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Rahan Location : Kilgortin Grennan, Patrick County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Rahan Location : Killina Grennan, Patrick County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Rahan Location : Loughroe Grennan, Patrick County : Roscommon Parish : Tibohine Location : Cloontowart Grennan, Patrick, Jr. County : Mayo Parish : Kilmovee Location : Urlaur Grennan, Patrick K. County : Mayo Parish : Kilmovee Location : Urlaur Grennan, Peter County : Cavan Parish : Drung Location : Dunmurry Grennan, Peter County : Down Parish : Clonduff Location : Ballyweely Grennan, Peter County : Longford Parish : Cashel Location : Derrycolumb Grennan, Philip County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Kilbride Location : Town of Clara/River-Street Grennan, Pk., Jr. County : Mayo Parish : Kilmovee Location : Urlaur Grennan, Richard County : Kilkenny Parish : Kilkeasy Location : Kilkeasy Grennan, Robert County : Laois/Leix/Queens Parish : Offerlane Location : Rushin Grennan, Simon County : Westmeath Parish : Kilcumreragh Location : Ballybrickoge Grennan, Simon County : Westmeath Parish : Kilcumreragh Location : Curragh Grennan, Thomas County : Mayo Parish : Kilmovee Location : Kilmovee Grennan, Thomas County : Monaghan Parish : Aghnamullen Location : Tullyrain Grennan, Thomas County : Monaghan Parish : Kilmore Location : Aghnaglogh Comment : Tommy Grennan, Thomas County : Westmeath Parish : Kilcleagh Location : Bolinarra Grennan, Thomas, Sr. County : Monaghan Parish : Kilmore Location : Aghnaglogh Grennan, William County : Down Parish : Maghera Location : Ballyginny Grennan, William County : Down Parish : Maghera Location : Drumee Grennan, William County : Laois/Leix/Queens Parish : Clonenagh and Clonagheen Location : Dysartbeagh Grennan, William County : Laois/Leix/Queens Parish : Clonenagh and Clonagheen Location : Knockanina Grennan, William County : Laois/Leix/Queens Parish : Clonenagh and Clonagheen Location : Mountrath (Town of) Grennan, William County : Laois/Leix/Queens Parish : Offerlane Location : Mountrath Grennan, William County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Geashill Location : Cappancur Grennan, William County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Rahan Location : Murragh Grennan, William County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Rahan Location : Newtown Grennan, William County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Rahan Location : Rahan Demesne Grennan, William County : Offaly/Kings Parish : Rahan Location : Tullymore-Rahan Grennan, Rev. Wm. County : Meath Parish : Dunboyne Location : Castlefarm Regards Michael Brennan in Kent County, England Award Winning CARLOW IGP: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar2/ My Family/Co Laois URL: http://www.brennanfamilyhistory.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Mooney" <tony.mooney@talk21.com> To: <IRL-LAOIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 5:21 AM Subject: [IRL-LAOIS] Re: Grenan > Hi Pat > > I've had a reply on another list to say that a William Mooney is listed at > Grenan, Attanagh in the Griffith's Valuation. Family tradition has it that > Grenan is the name of a farm and not a town, village or hamlet. > > I'll up-date you in a few week if you contact me again. > > Hope this helps ... > > Tony > > A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG) > > Please remove any "Reply-To:" address in your e-mail program. Including a > "Reply-To:" prevents others from benefiting from replies to your questions. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Wahlhood@aol.com> > To: <tony.mooney@talk21.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:51 AM > Subject: Grenan > > > > Tony: > > > > I have been waiting for someone to answer your query on the Laois List. > I > > have been wondering the same thing also in that I am searching the surname > > "Grennan" and wonder if his name may have come from place of birth. All I > > have is James Grennan born about 1798 in Ireland, died 1830-36, probably > in > > New Brunswick, Canada. > > > > I thought I might get some clues when your query was answered. > > > > Pat in Oregon > > > > ______________________________

Tony at tony.mooney@talk21.com writes: << Family tradition has it that Grenan is the name of a farm and not a town, village or hamlet. >> Tony, I think that, as is often the case, "family tradition" falls a bit short of expectations. Grenan townland is over 500 acres and is located a couple of miles SE of Durrow, on the Kilkenny border between the Nore and the Owenbeg rivers.. The town of Attanagh, for which the civil parish is named, is actually a small part of the townland of Grenan. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

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Hi Pat I've had a reply on another list to say that a William Mooney is listed at Grenan, Attanagh in the Griffith's Valuation. Family tradition has it that Grenan is the name of a farm and not a town, village or hamlet. I'll up-date you in a few week if you contact me again. Hope this helps ... Tony A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG) Please remove any "Reply-To:" address in your e-mail program. Including a "Reply-To:" prevents others from benefiting from replies to your questions. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Wahlhood@aol.com> To: <tony.mooney@talk21.com> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:51 AM Subject: Grenan > Tony: > > I have been waiting for someone to answer your query on the Laois List. I > have been wondering the same thing also in that I am searching the surname > "Grennan" and wonder if his name may have come from place of birth. All I > have is James Grennan born about 1798 in Ireland, died 1830-36, probably in > New Brunswick, Canada. > > I thought I might get some clues when your query was answered. > > Pat in Oregon >

Hi everyone I'm researching my father's ancestry and I've discovered his father (Patrick Joseph MOONEY 1875-1956) and grandfather John MOONEY (b. 1830) grew up on a farm which is either at Grenan or called Grenan. It's located at or near Attana, sometimes spelled Attanagh. I understand that John MOONEY gave the farm to a Sean DORGAN who married one of his daughters. I recently heard of a book by a Dermot Dorgan called "the chapel district of Ballyouskill Attanagh: the history and people of a community on the Kilkenny-Laois border. Can anyone tell me: If Grenan or Attanagh is in the chapel district of Ballyouskill and if not what RC parish the are in? What the townland for Grenan and Attanagh is? Many thanks Tony Mooney

Hi Deborah, I am researching LARGE from Ireland also. Mine went to Prince Edward Island, Canada. Apparently there is a fellow on the Island that traced his back to Kilkenny, but mine seem to go back to Laois, and the name was supposed to have been Delarge. Would you like to compare notes? On 19 May 2002 at 14:53, Deborah Fox wrote: > Hi, I am new to this list. I am trying to trace my LARGE surname. I > have a line traced back to 1830 to the Castlecomer region of County > Kilkenny. However, I am researching the possibility that the family of > my Thomas Large may have originated in County Laois, perhaps as French > Huguenots. > I have located a Thomas Large on the Freeholders list for Queens > County, 1758-1775, listed as from "CLONGOLIAGH." I cannot find any > town or townland with such a name in Laois. Any help in finding this > location would be appreciated! Deborah Large Fox > > -- Dawn Ellis dsellis@nbnet.nb.ca http://www.dawnellis.bravepages.com/ All emails scanned for viruses before leaving my machine!!!!

Hi, I am new to this list. I am trying to trace my LARGE surname. I have a line traced back to 1830 to the Castlecomer region of County Kilkenny. However, I am researching the possibility that the family of my Thomas Large may have originated in County Laois, perhaps as French Huguenots. I have located a Thomas Large on the Freeholders list for Queens County, 1758-1775, listed as from "CLONGOLIAGH." I cannot find any town or townland with such a name in Laois. Any help in finding this location would be appreciated! Deborah Large Fox

I have loaded some baptismal extracts from Arles and Ballyadams R.C. Parishes in Laois/Queen's County/Leix to my Laois web page at: Laois http://www.from-ireland.net/contents/laoisconts.htm Arles RC extracts http://www.from-ireland.net/parishrecords/arlesRC.htm Ballyadams R.C. extracts http://www.from-ireland.net/parishrecords/ballyadamsrc.htm Jane www.from-ireland.net Admin IRL-LEIX-L@rootsweb.com Admin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Y-IRL/ Admin IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com

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Greeting to all on these list Well what a feed back, had a irish meeting last night and discussed this issue. As the artical had not been printed they hada reading of the artical. it created a very good responce not like some person in victoria who shall remain faceless as you must be when you jump in feet first before you jump into a shit bucket. The possitive coments thank you, western austalia. I like to point out that this was simple a 90% rehash of maning clarke work Who i read or am in the process of reading front to back The figures and the proof reading have been checked and done by a professional secretary. Who pointed out the grammer problems but as i was bound by copy right i had no choice. Maybe some of the doubters should get a copy a read it i believe the condition where true to a point. So are you ready for the next one find it below, i hold my breath for the fead back it should be a good one. it is intersting to not that this went out to 3 list but only the Y-IRL list had the great nerve to reply well done i like it. The Irish uprising in the Colony of New South Wales In April 1798 a convict working in a gang at Toongabbe threw down his hoe and gave three cheers for liberty. He was taken promptly before a magistrate, sentenced, tied up in a field where he had been working, and severely flogged. Swift justice you think read on. In September 1800, having received information that certain seditious assemblies had been held in different parts of the colony to the great danger of his Majesty?s government and the public peace, Hunter decided to hold an inquiry. The Irish, to the despair of their Protestant inquisitors, proved evasive, equivocal and Jesuitical, and not prepared to inform on each other, or to be treacherous to their sacred oath to be a friend to each other till death. Richard Atkins and Samuel Marsden ordered one of their number, Galvin, to be flogged until he revealed where the pikes of the conspirators were concealed. They flogged him on the back till he was raw; they flogged him on the bottom; they flogged him again on the back. When he still refused to inform, Even Marsden admitted that Galvin would die rather than reveal anything. But Marsden as a Magistrate had stooped to the temptation that the truth could be flogged out of a man, just as in other quarters he had stooped to the idea that souls could be flogged to damnation. At this, keep in mind that this Marsden person was the assistant Chaplain, an ordained priest. The man who wanted to be known as the dispenser of love became identified with one of the most severe punishments in the early history of the colony. To restore order and recall these deluded Irish to their senses, some where sentenced to one thousand lashes, some to five hundred, some two hundred and some to transportation to Norfolk Island. To the Irish the floggings to extract confessions and the one thousand lashes, were more evidence of that barbarity and savagery which the Anglo-Saxon was all too ready to use to maintain the Protestant ascendancy against the Catholic tyranny and Jacobin anarchy. (1) New South Wales had contributed its first page to that book on the melancholy history of the Irish. (2) On 4 March 1804 an Irishman, William Johnston, who had been transported for his part in the rebellion of 1798, moved from house to house on Castle Hill urging his compatriots to join him in a bid for liberty. As he gathered his supporters, sometimes by cheering his men, sometimes by threatening those who refused to join his band to blow their brain out and set fire to their houses above their heads, and gathered arms by threatening to run through with the bayonet all who did not surrender their weapons, he told his followers of plans for a armed rebellion, in which the password, oddly enough for a people renowned for their savagery towards those who denied their leader, was ?St Peter?. In this way, by persuasion, charm, blarney and compulsion, Johnston gathered together a group of three hundred and thirty three men armed them at Castle Hill with rifles, improvised pikes and cutlasses, and planned to raise another three hundred at the Hawkesbury from where he proposed to march on Sydney and Parramatta using the catch-cry of liberty. His Supporters were inspired by no social or religious programme, either for convicts, ex-convicts or settlers, but united by a desire to hurt or take revenge on the Anglo-Saxon for all the outrageous cruelty and abominations against the Irish. One of Johnson?s followers, Poor, an Irishman, showed a paper with the proposal for rebellion to Keo, while they were thatching at Castle Hill. Keo who already suffered much on account of the rebellion in Ireland, took fright and ran to Captain Abbott in Parramatta on 3 March 1804 to inform against his fellow-countrymen. In the meantime, blandly unaware of such treachery, the followers of William Johnston were making their way along the road from (3) Castle Hill to Parramatta shouting liberty, and death to tyrants, or sending up their petitions to the holy mother of god to pray for them in their hour of their death. At 11.30 on Sunday night a express messenger from Captain Abbott arrived at Government House with the news that the convicts in government services at Castle Hill and the convicts assigned to settlers were in a state of insurrection, and had already committed many daring outrages. The alarm was immediately sounded in Sydney; the military and the inhabitants were put under arms, and all horses were held in requisition. At 12.30 on the Monday there was further alarming news of outrages at Castle Hill. King then set out for Parramatta, pausing at the house of Major Johnston to order him to take command of the company to be despatched against the rebels. King had arrived at Parramatta by 4 am, and Johnston an hour later. On the same day Governor King issued a proclamation declaring that every person who was seen in a state of rebellious opposition to the peace and tranquillity of the colony, and did not give himself up within twenty-four hours, would be tried by a court martial. Johnston after a hasty refreshment, set out with quarter-master Layback and twenty five non-commissioned officers and privates along the Castle Hill road, and reached Toongabbe, where he heard that the insurgents were making for the Hawkesbury. He promptly set out in pursuit. When they came up with the insurgents at 11.30 on that Monday morning at Vinegar Hill, seven miles out of Toongabbe Johnston and Layback who had ridden ahead, advanced to within pistol shot of the rebel and called on them to surrender and take advantage of the mercy offered them in the proclamation. When they refused, Johnston asked to talk to their leaders, who with that incredible folly which characterised the Irish in their dealings with the English, met Johnston and Laycock halfway. Johnston presented a pistol at Philip Cunningham?s head and Laycock presented his at William Johnston?s head; both were driven into the detachment, while the man who had shouted for liberty offered no resistance. In the meantime, the detachment of twenty-five soldiers had arrived on the scene. When Johnston ordered them to charge, they cut the insurgents to pieces. Within minutes nine of them lay dead, Cunningham, lay wounded, and the rest were in flight for the Hawkesbury. After Johnston caught up with them at 9 p.m. on the same night, retributions began. After taking the opinion of the officers about him, he directed Cunningham to be hanged on the staircase of the public store, which he had boasted in his march that he was going to plunder. On the 7 March King announced that the principal leaders of the deluded and infatuated people had, through the arts and designs of some hidden characters, been induced to commit acts of rebellion, forgiven thereby the comforts and real liberty they enjoyed, and had given themselves up. He appealed to the rest to surrender. The trials began next day. Only leaders where tried, because in the official pattern of thinking the rank and file where deluded but not wicked men. Three hundred of the latter, who gave themselves up, were sent back to their work with a caution and a reprimand. With the zeal which he always used to serve the interest of the Protestant ascendancy, Marsden helped prepare the (4) case for the prosecution. After a brief trial some were sentenced to death, some to a flogging, and some to transportation to one of the outer settlements of New South Wales. Hume, Hill and Place, were immediately hanged at Parramatta, all acknowledging the justice of their sentence and hoping for that mercy from God which they had not received from man. Johnston, Harrington and Neale were hanged at Castle Hill on the following morning, after Johnston, as Hume before him, had given much important information and confessed his belief that the men engaged in the tumult were the victims of a very few contrivers and abettors of horrors. Brannon and Hogan were hanged at Sydney on Saturday, 10th march, after Bure and McCormack had been reprieved. Five were flogged on 8 and 9 March when, according to Irish Catholic tradition, the Reverend Mr Dixon was forced to witness the scene, and placed his hand on the bleeding backs till he swooned away. Thirty odd were sent to Coal River, which King decided to use as a penal settlement for the Irish. At the same time he announced that the name of the settlement was to be changed from Coal River to Newcastle. On the 9th March, King published his thanks to his Majesty?s loyal subjects in the colony , singling out the loyal association in Sydney, Captain Abbott, Major Johnston, Lieutenants David and Brabyn, Quarter-master Laycock, the twenty five soldiers, and the officers from the Calcutta, for a special mention. In August King decided to withhold the salary from the Catholic priest, Dixon, for very improper conduct, as he believed seditious meetings had taken place in consequence of the indulgence and protection Dixon had received, In retrospect King pinned the responsibility or part of it on Catholic teaching, or the machination of the priest, rather than the other source or Irish delusion, the right of men, or just being Irish. Behind the words of abuse, the members of the Protestant ascendancy in New South Wales never paused to sort out the muddle in their own mind on the origins of the revolt, blaming indiscriminately the Irish, the Priest, the church of Rome, the ideas of 1798. Some hinted at an evil-minded Machinator behind the rebellion; others wrote of it as the work of a few designed men. (5) The Protestant Ascendancy was simply that the two essential conditions of civilisation, the Protestant religion and the British constitution, were menaced by the deluded, ignorant wretched men. To the members of the Protestant ascendancy the blood spilt on Vinegar Hill was part of their long agony in raising the Irish from savagery to Civilisation. (6) This material was taken in full from book 1, by Manning Clark, A History of Australia published in 1986 by the Melbourne University Press. Reference (1) page 156. (2) page 157. (3) page 171. (4) page 172. (5) page 173. (6) page 174. This article was written with the permission of the copy write holder, The Melbourne University Press, on behalf of Manning Clark the author. It is intersting to note that major Johnston met his match in Gov. Blight (from mutiny on the bounty fame) in the Rum rebalion the histoty books vary in their opion. The main thing was in his court martial back in England Major Johston was sentenced to be cashiered. Regard from not so sunny south australia. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com

Greetings from adelaide South Australia. This artical was written by myself for inclusion in the journal of the South Australian Heraldry and Genealogy Society. This artical was written,with that as convenor of the Irish special interest group, there was a requirment to write short articals for the journal. And I have been at this research game for a short time, and as the research is Irish you can understand that my attention had wandered in a different direction. This turned into the direction of Australian History. Primarily South Australian history, With this in mind I intended to study Australian history at the university of South Australia. The cost associated with this fell well outside my budget. So the next best thing was to find some books on the subject, this almost proved as far outside my budget as studying. Anyway i managed to get my hand on the 6 book set of the history of Australia by C.M.H. Clarke and first published by the Melbourne University Press in 1962. Early Irish Transportee?s in Australia Their faiths and an insight it played in their lives Irish transportation did not start until the late 1799 to the new Colony of New South Wales, some twelve years after Governor Phillip first achieved settlement, in January 1877. In between 1791 and 1800, 1140 males and 275 females, 1415 in total came from Irish Ports. Between 1801 till 1802, 701 (610 males and 91 females). Between 1803 and 1810, 546 (409 males and 47 females). >From 1811 to 1823, 5847 (5069 male 778 female). Or 8509 in total 7228 men and 1281 Women. (1) Contemporaries viewed them as martyrs in the cause of liberty and human happiness, just as historians who shared their aspiration esteemed them as the forerunner of those men at the end of the nineteenth century declared man?s power to make and unmake social conditions. So history became not so much half guess and half lies as a support for the political creed, in which process not only was the character of the man lost, but their immediate contribution suppressed. (2) The criminal law also provided the occasion for the coming of another great creative force in the shaping of that civilisation ? Irish Catholicism and the Irish character. In 1790 an act passed by the Irish Parliament empowered the lord-lieutenant or chief Governor to name a place to which felons and vagabonds could be transported. By an order of 1790 the lord ?lieutenant named New Holland. (3) In the same way the contribution of the Irish convicts lay not so much in their numbers, but in the transportation to New South Wales of the sense of their melancholy history, and Irish Catholicism. The Melancholy history was reflected in the types transported; for whereas in England and Scotland The thieves predominated, of the two thousand and eighty-six transported from Ireland between 1791 and 1803, about six hundred were convicted for riot and sedation. The religion persuasion proportions were reversed too, for on Irish ships the Catholics outnumbered the Protestants by about twenty-three to one.(4 ) One curious accident of that melancholy history was the absence of any selection among the convicts from Ireland. All were transported without reference to age, health or Crime.(5) As with the rest of the convicts the selection process was quite strict, the custom was to select men under 50 years of age, the average age of men over the years 1813 to 1823 was between 24 to 29. Women in the same years was 23 to 25 of age.(6) For Ireland a totally different set of rules seemed to apply, or as it appears a total lack of rules. In the northern counties the men and women sentenced to transportation were first brought to Dublin, where they were examined by a doctor, shaved, bathed, clothed and then shipped to Cork to board the convict transport at Cobh. The sheriffs in the southern counties dispatched their men and women direct to Cork. The quantity of food, the standard of cleanliness, and the clothing issued were the first taste some of the Irish had enjoyed of that higher civilisation which the English never wearied from reminding them was the blessing of the Protestant religion and British political institutions. The Irish convict generally arrived in New South Wales in sound health, and many of them expressed the wish that their passage could last forever. (7) The Irish sense of wonder, the awareness of magic in the world, and their quaint twist to the Christian Hope of the life of the world to come, preceded that Protestant ascendancy, the occasion of their nursing a melancholy history. For the Irish not only looked for the resurrection of the dead, but used their imagination to explore the delight of such a life: I would like to have a great lake of beer For the king of kings I?d love to be watching the family of heaven Drinking it through all eternity. They were a people whose holy faith and family affections lent a charm to and softened the harshness of their lives in their wretched cabin, and compensated them for their worldly privations.( ) The wretchedness of their lives contributed to the extremes in their behaviour, to the creation of a type who one hour was dignified with every kind and noble sentiment, only to be degraded the next by acts of the most brutal malevolence.(8) Misery and idleness encouraged drunkenness and feuds, and created too the conditions in which loyalty to their own groups and treachery to their eternal enemies governed standards of conduct. Lying, deceit, double dealing, perjury, subornation of witnesses, violence, even murder, ceased to be reprehensible or damnable if perpetrated against the Protestant ascendancy. They refused to believe in justice for Irish Catholics in British law courts: they despised their laws, defied their administration, and cursed all who collaborated with their oppressors. The poverty contributed to the gross and sordid ignorance of the largest part of the population, which brought in its train barbarous habits and taste, an ill-equipped agriculture, and improvident marriages, and aggravated that tendency to anarchy and violence. (9) One other effect of the Protestant ascendancy was the power and prestige of the priest in the Catholic Section of the Irish society. The Protestant Ascendancy had evicted the Catholic landlord and replaced him with a Absentee Protestant Landlord, whom the Catholic tenant despised as an alien and a reprobate. The Tenant turned to the Priest not only for the consolations of religion, but as a guide to a better leader in the fight against poverty and oppression. The priest looked to the tenant as the sole support for the maintenance and welfare of the church: so the priest was obliged to ride the popular wave, or be left on the beach to perish.(10) To the Protestant, this dependency of the Catholic on the priest tended to perpetrate that ignorance, superstition, priestcraft servility, poverty, filth, disease, drunkenness and lying which in Protestant eyes followed Catholicism as night followed day. For the Protestant believed passionately that Protestantism represented the higher level or order?industry, intelligence, and civilasation. (11) So here is a short insight what was the mood of the English Protestant on one side dictating his authority to, the Irish People who where predominantly Catholic in birth. It set the scene for many an interesting episode in the new Colony of New South Wales. I intend to write for the next issue of the journal about the The Irish uprising in the new colony. The total reference is to volume 1 chapter 6 ?Convict and the Faith of the founders? of a history of Australia by C.M.H. Clarke and first published by the Melbourne University Press in 1962. Ref. (1) Page 90, Ref.(2) Page102, Ref.(3) Page 93, ref. 4 page 102, ref.5 page 102 ref.6 page 94 ref. 7Page 102 ref. 8 page 103 ref.9 Page 104 ref. 10 Page 104 ref. 11 page 104/105 This Article was written with the permission of the copy write holder the Melbourne University Press, on behalf of Manning Clark. I wrote a second artical which i put out like this soon regards robert __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com

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