Thank you all for the info on the SHELLEY name. I think my Thomas SHELLEY married Catherine Bourke, Catherine died before 1863. They had a son Daniel born about 1840? Thank you all again Jan from Australia

--=======3F323C69======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-B142B7C; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please forgive me if you get this more than once as I am cross posting. a Dear List Where do I start without taking up much of your time. I have met my brick wall and banging my head against it for so many years... so leaving no stone unturned I am turning to this list for help... let me repeat that... H E L P!!! Here is what I have: MICHAEL J. (JOHN?) SULLIVAN b. Sept 1859 (Parents unknown) and I cannot locate his death certificate here in the USA. I know where he died but a Sullivan born on this date cannot be found in Montana death records. The closest one is 1851 with a father; MICHAEL SULLIVAN and mother; CATHERINE COLLINS MICHAEL: Wife: JANE ANNE (LOTT/KNOTT/NOTT) SULLIVAN (Her father: JOHN LOTT/KNOTT/NOTT from England) (Her mother: BRINDLECOMB from England and died at sea) Michael and Jane's first child born in Ireland was John ? Sullivan b. May 1882 In May 1882-Sept 1883 the three left Ireland (cannot locate ship or date of emigration) had their 2nd child in PA Sept 1883. What I would like to know is: The parents of Michael. Where/When Michael was born. Date Michael and Jane married. and if possible the real maiden name of Jane Anne. Absolutely anything is more than I have right now. Please email me Huzzi@c2i2.com this way we won't hog the list. I last have him in 1908 Helena, Lewis and Clark County Montana. Most appreciative, ~Huz in Arizona,USA --=======3F323C69=======--

Jan, Extracted the six (6)Shelly births from Queens, there are 123 Shelly's listed for Ireland on the BIVRI2 disks (they are limited, the IGI has many more files than these disks. But everything helps. Bob ------------------------------------------------------- SHELLY, Anthony Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 27 Mar 1868 Birthplace: 420, Castletown, Queens, Ire Recorded in: Queens, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: John SHELLY Mother: Eliza KILFOYLE Source: FHL Film 101162 Dates: 1868 - 1868 SHELLY, Owen Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: Feb 1868 Birthplace: 457, Castletown, Queens, Ire Recorded in: Queens, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Martin SHELLY Mother: Catherine KILFOYLE Source: FHL Film 101167 Dates: 1868 - 1868 SHELLY, Patrick Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: Feb 1868 Birthplace: 457, Castletown, Queens, Ire Recorded in: Queens, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Martin SHELLY Mother: Catherine KILFOYLE Source: FHL Film 101167 Dates: 1868 - 1868 SHELLY, Patrick Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 20 Feb 1868 Birthplace: 456, Castletown, Queens, Ire Recorded in: Queens, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Martin SHELLY Mother: Catherine KILFOYLE Source: FHL Film 101207 Dates: 1868 - 1868 SHELLY, Peter Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 8 Jul 1870 Birthplace: 405, Castletown, Queens, Ire Recorded in: Queens, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: John SHELLY Mother: Eliza KILFOYLE Source: FHL Film 101212 Dates: 1870 - 1871 SHELLY, John Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 19 Jun 1872 Birthplace: Durrow, Queens, Ire Recorded in: Queens, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: John SHELLY Mother: Mary KEALY Source: FHL Film 255853 Dates: 1872 - 1873

Index to Griffith's Valuation of Ireland, 1848-1864 Shelley, Jeremiah County : Laois/Leix/Queens Parish : Offerlane Location : Peafield Shelley, John County : Laois/Leix/Queens Parish : Aghmacart Location : Ballyboodin Shelley, William County : Laois/Leix/Queens Parish : Offerlane Location : Peafield The parish of Skirke is now known as SKIRK. It also had a history of moving. Check the following: PARISH OF RATHDOWNEY Source: Carrigan, The History and Antiquities of the Diocese of Ossory, Vol. 2 (1905) It embraced the entire civil parishes of Rathdowney (except the townland of Ballydavin), Rathsaran, Donnaghmore and Skirke, and the greater part of Coolkerry, down to the year 1840, when the district of Skirke or Killismestia was cut off and made a separate parish. On the 9th of May, 1875, the townlands of Akip, Beckfield, Clonburren (White), Donnaghmore, Dun-nacliggan, Tinnaclohy, Castletown Feereeagh, Raheen Upper, Raheen Lower, and part of Raheenphelan Glebe were withdrawn from Skirke and restored to Rathdowney; and on the same day, or a few days later, the remaining portion of the parish of Skirke was canonically united to Borris-in-Ossory. The present area of the parish is 18,000 statute acres. You can read more aboyt Rathdowney here: http://www.irishmidlandsancestry.com/content/laois/community/parishhistories /rathdowney_parish.htm Regards Michael Brennan in Kent, England. Home Page: http://www.brennanfamilyhistory.com Award Winning CARLOW IGP: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar2/ Norton AntiVirus 2002 is Active ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Shelley" <janshelley@bigpond.com> To: <IRL-LAOIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 6:43 AM Subject: [LAOIS] SHELLEY > New to list, I am researching the name SHELLEY,Thomas Shelley came to Australia when ????before 1863. I can not find his immigration records. I believe he came from Skirke Queens Co. Could anyone help me with this.Regards Jan > > ______________________________

I don't know anything about your Thomas, but my gggrandmother came for Queens County and her name was Margaret Shelley. She married John O'Farrell (shortened to Farrell when they came to America). We have never been able to find any information on Shelley's from Queens. Does any of this sound familiar to you? Monica Mullikin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Shelley" <janshelley@bigpond.com> To: <IRL-LAOIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 1:43 AM Subject: [LAOIS] SHELLEY > New to list, I am researching the name SHELLEY,Thomas Shelley came to Australia when ????before 1863. I can not find his immigration records. I believe he came from Skirke Queens Co. Could anyone help me with this.Regards Jan > > > ==== IRL-LAOIS Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe send an email to: > IRL-LAOIS-L-request@rootsweb.com > Only the word *unsubscribe* in the message. > >

Queenstown was the old name for Cobh, in Co Cork, Ireland Regards Michael Brennan in Kent, England. Home Page: http://www.brennanfamilyhistory.com Award Winning CARLOW IGP: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcar2/ Norton AntiVirus 2002 is Active ----- Original Message ----- From: "Circe" <circe@dodo.com.au> To: <IRL-LAOIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: [LAOIS] NEWNHAM, Alfred,Queenstown, Ireland > Hi list! > could sks please let me know if I am looking in the right place for the > above gr grandfather? I am looking for Alfred NEWNHAM, b Queenstown, > Ireland,(circa 1851) and any other Newnham links or info from Ireland! I > always knew about our Irish heritage, but am ashamed to admit that I don't > know where Queenstown is! Alfred later became a coastguard/mariner and > married in Devon, to an Ellen Pengelly or Pengilly. > Any or all info or advice for where to look next gratefully appreciated! Ty > Newnham, South Australia. > (pure Celt and proud of it!) > NEWNHAM, Ireland and Devon > BAIRD, Scotland > TEARE, IOM > PENGELLY, Cornwall >

New to list, I am researching the name SHELLEY,Thomas Shelley came to Australia when ????before 1863. I can not find his immigration records. I believe he came from Skirke Queens Co. Could anyone help me with this.Regards Jan

Hi list! could sks please let me know if I am looking in the right place for the above gr grandfather? I am looking for Alfred NEWNHAM, b Queenstown, Ireland,(circa 1851) and any other Newnham links or info from Ireland! I always knew about our Irish heritage, but am ashamed to admit that I don't know where Queenstown is! Alfred later became a coastguard/mariner and married in Devon, to an Ellen Pengelly or Pengilly. Any or all info or advice for where to look next gratefully appreciated! Ty Newnham, South Australia. (pure Celt and proud of it!) NEWNHAM, Ireland and Devon BAIRD, Scotland TEARE, IOM PENGELLY, Cornwall

Ty, Laois was called Queens *County*. >From www.bartleby.com Queenstown (Ireland), "formerly called the Cove of Cork. The name was changed in 1850, out of compliment to Queen Victoria, when she visited Ireland with her husband, and created her eldest son Earl of Dublin. " So, it was in Cork. I only found one name like Newnham in my Griffith's Valuations CD: Index to Griffith's Valuation of Ireland, 1848-1864 Newnam, Eliza County : Cavan Parish : Kilmore Location : Rocks Regards, Christina North Carolina, USA On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:00:05 -0000, Circe wrote: >Hi list! >could sks please let me know if I am looking in the right place for >the above gr grandfather? I am looking for Alfred NEWNHAM, b >Queenstown, Ireland,(circa 1851) and any other Newnham links or info >from Ireland! I always knew about our Irish heritage, but am ashamed >to admit that I don't know where Queenstown is! Alfred later became >a coastguard/mariner and married in Devon, to an Ellen Pengelly or >Pengilly. >Any or all info or advice for where to look next gratefully >appreciated! Ty Newnham, South Australia. >(pure Celt and proud of it!) NEWNHAM, Ireland and Devon BAIRD, >Scotland TEARE, IOM PENGELLY, Cornwall > > >==== IRL-LAOIS Mailing List ==== An Irishman has an abiding sense of >tragedy which sustains him through temporary periods of joy.

Can you look up the name Flood. My ancestors had a great deal of money with 2 sons becoming physicians. However, there were 2 other sons and I have not been able to find out what they did. Thank you for your assistance Paula >>> Ninah@carolina.rr.com 08/14/02 02:03PM >>> Hi there, I have a copy of Alumni Dublineses on microfilm at my Family History Center. The subtitle is: A register of the Students, Graduates, Professors, and Provosts of Trinity College, in the University of Dublin. If you have someone you think or know went to Trinity College I will look for him. Keep in mind these are mostly going to be Anglican and mostly Upper Crust. You can mainly learn the father of the person. You could look for a brother who became a Churchman for instance. It doesn't have to be your own ancestor. I got it to look up a brother. An example entry: DELANY, Edmund, Pen. (Mr. Scraggs), Oct. 16 1820, aged 14; R.C. s. of William, Generosus; b. Tipperary .B.A. Vern. 1825 M.A. Nov. 1832. I looked up Generosus and found it means nobility. My ancestor's brother had Colonus next to his name which I found means farmer. I will post any hits to the list so they will be in our list archives. Send requests to me at: Ninah@carolina.rr.com Regards, Christina North Carolina, USA ==== IRL-LAOIS Mailing List ==== To contact the listowner: Ninah@carolina.rr.com

Hi there, I have a copy of Alumni Dublineses on microfilm at my Family History Center. The subtitle is: A register of the Students, Graduates, Professors, and Provosts of Trinity College, in the University of Dublin. If you have someone you think or know went to Trinity College I will look for him. Keep in mind these are mostly going to be Anglican and mostly Upper Crust. You can mainly learn the father of the person. You could look for a brother who became a Churchman for instance. It doesn't have to be your own ancestor. I got it to look up a brother. An example entry: DELANY, Edmund, Pen. (Mr. Scraggs), Oct. 16 1820, aged 14; R.C. s. of William, Generosus; b. Tipperary .B.A. Vern. 1825 M.A. Nov. 1832. I looked up Generosus and found it means nobility. My ancestor's brother had Colonus next to his name which I found means farmer. I will post any hits to the list so they will be in our list archives. Send requests to me at: Ninah@carolina.rr.com Regards, Christina North Carolina, USA

Hi Leanne, I don't have any connections with KENNEDYs, nor does my budget extend to paid research in Ireland, so I can't offer an opinion of whether any more is valuable, but I offer a couple of points re your search and what you could perhaps be doing yourself, FWIW. Have you ever thought of joining either of the large genealogical societies in Brisbane? The Genealogical Society of Qld (GSQ) or the Qld Family History Society (QFHS) - I can give you contact details privately if you need them. Almost certainly you would have been able to do your own searching in Griffiths Valuation and the Tithe Applotments at one or both of these. I can't speak for what other Irish records they may have, but always worth checking. And they should also have some resources vital to Irish research such as "how to" books and the Parish and Townlands guide. Have you checked back issues of GRD to see if anyone else is researching your names? (These would be at most FHSs and many libraries). Have you checked your local (or the larger Brisbane) libraries to see what genealogical resources they hold that may help you? Also, the LDS church has a lot of Irish records on microform, available through their Family History Centres or Libraries. The Irish BDM records and many parish records are on film. The index is online. You will find that, re shipping, the records held in *Australia*, and freely available to you in larger libraries and FHSs, will generally give you far more information than Irish records. Find out about the ARK/GRK (Archives/Genealogical Resource Kit) - I think they changed the name midstream - from the Archives Office of NSW, now State Records. Assuming your ancestors arrived in Sydney, which is likely for 1856 - (otherwise check with Qld Archives). This kit is widely available in Australian libraries, and contains many and varied records. In the GRK/ARK are indices to shipping records, and films of the agents' and immigration records for most of these which will give family details. You may also like to consult books such as "Log of Logs" by Ian Nicholson (3 volumes) which will tell you if a log, diary or journal is known to exist for the particular voyage, and where you may find it. Of course, they don't for all voyages, but you may be lucky. If you joined one of these societies, you would be able to learn more about how to go about genealogical research, and you may well find heaps more about your ancestors. I hope these thoughts will help. Regards Pam An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ. At 19:11 13.08.02 +1000, Leanne Chilver wrote: >A few years later Robert, Michael, and John, their wives and children, >left Ireland to sail aboard the Robert Small which departed Southampton >on 30 January 1856 to arrive Australia on 23 May 1856. >Also, I'm seeking some advice. A search was done for baptisms and >marriages of the RC parishes of Donanne, Arles, Ballyadams and >Ballinakill. None of the marriages for the children were found. Also >the Laois Title Applotment, Griffith Valuation, Laois Trade Index was >searched. > >Is it worth pursuing any further "commissioned" research or is this all >that I can hope to ever find about my family? Any suggestions on how to >progress my research are welcomed.

Richard Odlum b. 1820 in Kyle, County Lois, Ireland m. Joannah Crowley in 5/11/1844 in Grafton,MA, USA. She was b. 1821 in Kilmerry, County Cork, Ireland. Other names: Bommezyon,Browning, Cox, Crowley, Lammering, Mcguire, McLaughlin, Odlum

Hi All, I recently received some information from the Irish Midlands Ancestry relating to my Kennedy Family. I was able to gain a few more pieces of information about the family however the overall result was a little disappointing. James Kennedy married Bridget Brennan sometime around 1818, possibly in Killabban. No record of birth or a marriage for this couple. Both died prior to 1849. The first trace of the family is from the Doonane RC Baptismal records which gives Mary Kennedy bapt. 17 July 1818. Sponsors George Connor and Honor Dunne. The family were residing at Turra. From the same records Catherine Kennedy was bapt. 15 January 1821. Sponsors John Bambrick and Bridget Barnett. The family were residing at Aghaterry. Same records, Margaret Kennedy was bapt. 30 June 1822. Sponsors William Stewart and Anty Kennedy. The family were residing at Turra. The Arles RC Baptismal records gives Anne Kennedy bapt. 26 February 1832. Sponsors Michael Rochford and Anne Bambrick. This time mother given as Bidy Brennan. No record could be found for the following children: Robert Kennedy born 1830, Mayo; Michael Kennedy born 1832, Arles; and John Kennedy born 1834, Arles. Anne Kennedy left Ireland to sail aboard the Lismoyne which departed Plymouth on 22 August 1849 to arrive Australia on 29 November 1849. The Lismoyne was one of ten ships which carried Irish Female Orphans. Anne was aged 17 and her occupation was a House Servant from Arles, Queens County. A few years later Robert, Michael, and John, their wives and children, left Ireland to sail aboard the Robert Small which departed Southampton on 30 January 1856 to arrive Australia on 23 May 1856. From records in Australia, I have found the following marriages for some of the children: Robert Kennedy married Catherine Barrington around 1851 in Laois. She was the daughter of William and Mary Barrington, born around 1828 in Mayo. Michael Kennedy married Elizabeth O'Neill bet. 1847 - 1850 in Laois. She was born 1829 in County Carlow. John Kennedy married Elizabeth Doyle on 27 June 1853 in Laois. She was the daughter of Dominick Doyle and Mary Boylin, born 1823 in Athy, Kildare. Anne Kennedy married Thomas Price on 20 May 1851 at Sandy Falls, Murrumbidgee River, NSW, Australia. He was son of Thomas and Frances Price, born 1825 in Winchester, Hampshire, England UK. Does anyone have any Kennedy's or Brennan's from around these areas in Laois? Also, I'm seeking some advice. A search was done for baptisms and marriages of the RC parishes of Donanne, Arles, Ballyadams and Ballinakill. None of the marriages for the children were found. Also the Laois Title Applotment, Griffith Valuation, Laois Trade Index was searched. Is it worth pursuing any further "commissioned" research or is this all that I can hope to ever find about my family? Any suggestions on how to progress my research are welcomed. Cheers Leanne In cold and windy Brisbane, Australia

Hi all, I got a couple of tidbits of info from the Anglican Library in Dublin today. My ancestor - Thomas Dulaney b. abt 1662 in Queen's County had a nephew Patrick Delaney who became Dean of Down. Thomas and his sons came to America and founded a large branch of Dulaneys here. It seemed that his nephew having achieved some prominence might be a conduit to learning who the father of Thomas was. What I learned today was that the father of Patrick was named Denis Delaney. (Dennis is a name that permeates the American branch.) Patrick was born at Rathkrea. Next to the words Denis D. is in quotes "Colonus" [farmer]. Does anyone know what Colonus means??? Is it a place or title. There was another brother Daniel. I don't know if I am any closer but I know Rathkrea now. Regards, Christina North Carolina, USA

I'd be interested to hear from any Callaghans (or variants) - or people with Callaghan ancesters - who are living in Ireland. Tim

My gt grandfather appeared on the 1841 census for London Occupation a tailor born 1808 in Ireland.No County given. On his marriage certificate he states his father was Thomas Geoghegan a weaver. If anyone recognises any Geoghegan that will fit I will be glad to hear from you. There are 22 variations of spelling ...so far Josi My newsletters, now up to Volume ten, are at: www.btinternet.com/~finty/

I would be interested to hear from anyone with Callaghan (or variations) ancesters who moved to England around the time of the famine. Thanks Tim

Tim, That would include 90% of the Irish born in Ireland but lving in Scotland in the 1871/1881 census. Just a passing note. I have been looking for the birth place in Ireland for most of my family. They went to IRL for work sometime in the mid 1800's Have a nice day and lots of luck Bob Cdn. ------------------------------------------------- > Subject: > > [LAOIS] Irish moves to St Helens > From: > > "Tim Callaghan" <tim.callaghan@4hstc.freeserve.co.uk> > Date: > > I would be interested to hear from anyone whose Irish ancesters moved to > England during the famine (1840s/1850s).

Hello Tim My DONNELLY family moved from Carlow to Liverpool between 1848-1850, just after the height of the famine which I believe was in 1846, although some sources I have read put this a few years earlier. If you are just after background info on the Irish immigration during this period there are several good books, although some are now unobtainable. In particular one by Frank Neal (M/C University Press) titled "The Liverpool experience; Irish immigration" I cannot get hold of this book, but I know there are copies around. I attended one of his talks at the M/C & Lancs Fam. Hist. Soc. He really is very knowledgeable on this subject, especially on Liverpool and surrounding towns. If you ever see his name in connection with this subject where he is giving a lecture; you must go. Presumably you are searching for your Irish roots! I was extremely lucky in that my people had arrived in Liverpool just before the 1851 census and when I found the listing, a County was shown as the place of birth, rather than just 'Ireland' In addition a young baby was shown born in Liverpool just before the census, and I was able to get the birth certificate, which showed the mother's maiden name. Without these two items; I would have been very restricted for any further research ... as I know, many people are. I have since been able to find a marriage in Co. Laois, in 1826. But there are many more frustrating avenues that all seem to lead to dead ends. Research in Ireland is very difficult, but not absolutely hopeless. I do know of someone whose article appeared in one of the M/C Fam. Hist. Society's magazines, who managed to get a location in Ireland and lots of other information ... and all she had initially was a census showing "born in Ireland" St. Helens was one of many towns as you will know that were inundated by Irish people during the famine years. You have to get as much as possible about your family in this country, and hopefully a clue which will tell you the county in Ireland they came from. If you already know this, you have a start! The best book I have found for Irish research is John Grenham's "Tracing your Irish Ancestors" ISBN 0-7171-1893-3 And Liverpool Library on William Brown Street, has lots of background info relating to the Famine and the Irish people in Liverpool/Lancashire. Hope this is helpful. Regards Jane Coop (West Yorks) > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Callaghan [mailto:tim.callaghan@4hstc.freeserve.co.uk] > Subject: [LAOIS] Irish moves to St Helens > I would be interested to hear from anyone whose Irish ancestors moved to > England during the famine (1840s/1850s). --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02