Freda, have you looked in the Mormon's IGI at their FamilySearch website? The IGI contains many records extracted from filmed Irish civil registration records. Civil birth records in Ireland began in 1864. There might have been Gunn children born between 1864 and 1870 in Queens County (today, Laois) who appear in civil registration. It sounds like you have already gotten the actual certificates. The certificate has more information than just "Bellegrove", "Bellegrive Farm" or "Bellygrove" for the residence. The district in which the registration appears tells you what part of Laois it was. That information about the district appears at the top of the page, so if your copy includes only the part of the page with the entry of interest to you, you might miss it. The Registrar's District is the location recorded in the IGI. I see 2 possibilities for Gunns in Laois during the 1860s in the IGI: (1) children of John Gunn and Mary Sutherland listed with births in Emo district in 1864 (Mary), 1866 (Jennet) and 1868 (William) (2) children of William Gunn and Margaret Polson in Abbeyleix district in 1865 (Charlotte), 1866 (Alexander) and 1868 (John) Even if you cannot easily find Bellegrove, the district gives you an idea of where you should be looking for a Presbyterian congregation - not that there were that many in Laois! A quick Google search with the words Bellegrove and Abbeyleix turns up the Laois IGP webpage at http://www.igp-web.com/laois/records.htm, which shows Bellegrove as a townland with its own webpage at http://www.igp-web.com/laois/townlands/Bellegrove.htm. That indicates the townland of Bellegrove is in the civil parish of Lea, which is in the extreme northeast corner of County Laois, with Offaly (old Kings County) to the north and County Kildare to the east. This area is closer to Emo than to Abbeyleix, so I am guessing the Gunns from Emo are your relatives, although I would not rule out a connection to the other family in Abbeyleix district. Emo was a Registrar's District in the larger district of Mountmellick, in which Poor Law Union the townland of Bellegrove was situated. At the time of Griffith's Valuation (roughly 1850), George Adair owned a large portion of the townland, which in total had about 702 acres. The corresponding Ordnance Survey map from that era shows the townland of Bellegrove with a house called "Belle Grove" situated within it. The house is surrounded by many trees on the old OS map. If you go to Google maps http://maps.google.com/ and enter Bellegrove Laois, you will see where Bellegrove townland is located. Zoom out to get the bigger picture. The towns of Ballybrittas, Portarlington and Portlaois are near and to the northwest. The town of Emo is due west about 2 or 3 miles, and Mountmellick is almost due west about 7 miles maybe (as the crow flies). If you click on Satellite at Google maps, you can see how the land is divided into fields. It is sometimes possible to correlate the old Ordnance Survey maps with roads and fields on the satellite image to pinpoint property exactly. In this case, the resolution is not as good as just to the west in Ballybrittas. If you Google "Belle Grove" Laois you will find more. For example, Belle Grove also has a page at http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/cgi-bin/viewsite.cgi?siteid=191. Click on Map Image or Aerial Image - the aerial image is much better than the Google satellite image! You can see the roof of houses quite clearly. The town of Mountmellick had a Presbyterian congregation (the only one in Laois from what I can tell) whose records began in 1849. That is one possibility for your research. Someone else will have to tell you where those records might be found today. Good luck with your search! Geralyn Wood Barry in western Oregon, USA f summerfield wrote: > My gt grandparents came to Ireland from Caithness, Scotland c 1860. and moved north c1870. > Bellegrove , Bellegrive Farm or Bellygrove were on birth certificates. Can anyone tell me exactly where this is in Laois? > Their name was Gunn and they were Presbyterians.I would like to be anle to find where the children were baptized. > Thank you. Freda

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: eaglebald1 Surnames: Thompson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/1125.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Aghaboe cemetery; Thompson Warren Frances, Rathdowney,19/6/1996 (70) Thompson Herbery Geoffry, Tinnacloley, 11/6/1999 (81) Thompson Joseph, 18/11/1931 (81) Jane (w); 28/5/1935 (79) George (son); 22/1/1951 (66) Thompson Samuel; 30/6/1902 (18 mts) Thompson Langley; 10/3/1931 (69) Thompson Evelyn; 27/3/1932 (24) Thompson Herbert; 22/8/1925 (29) Thompson Mary Ann; 20/10/1970 (98) (wife of Langley) Thompson Dinah; 12/6/1976 (81) Thompson David; 15/5/1992 (79) Thompson John Jocelyn; (killed in action 1943 and buried elsewhere) Gerald (ftr); 25/11/1965 (80) Irene (mtr); 17/2/1976 (89) Thompson Norman; the castle, Borris-in-Ossory, 31/8/2001 (70) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

George GY & RM = Galway & Roscommon are both counties in the Province of Connacht. Kind Regards Michael Brennan Carlow IGP: http://www.igp-web.com/carlow/index.htm My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm > I have an unrelated, or general question, In IHDP (Irish Heritage DNA > Project). The admin. has me, my ancestors) listed as PROBABLY being from > Connacht & counties GY/RM. What counties do those letters represent ? > > My papertrail says Timahoe, Kildare to the colonies (SC) in 1751 but that > might have been a gathering place for the voyge. I'm not sure where my > 5th > Ggrandfather, Walter Kelly, was born nor exact date of birth, guessing > abt. > 1730. > > Thanks > > George >

George, Most auto license plates in Ireland have the county and the age of the car right on the plate.In the case of the county it's the first and last letter of the county name, hence GY Galway and RM Roscommon. It probably applies elsewhere as well. Jack Langton **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

Good idea, thanks Jack. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [LAOIS] Province of Connacht > George, > > Most auto license plates in Ireland have the county and the age of the > car right on the plate.In the case of the county it's the first and last > letter of the county name, hence GY Galway and RM Roscommon. It probably > applies > elsewhere as well. > > Jack Langton > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > ========IRL-LAOIS Mailing List======== > Leix/Laois websites: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Leix/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/index.htm > Add your Leix/Laois surname to the Surname Registry. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1873 - Release Date: 1/3/2009 2:14 PM

Thanks Michael. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Brennan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:50 AM Subject: [LAOIS] Province of Connacht > George > > GY & RM = Galway & Roscommon are both counties in the Province of > Connacht. > > > Kind Regards > > Michael Brennan > Carlow IGP: http://www.igp-web.com/carlow/index.htm > My Laois Page: > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm > >> I have an unrelated, or general question, In IHDP (Irish Heritage DNA >> Project). The admin. has me, my ancestors) listed as PROBABLY being from >> Connacht & counties GY/RM. What counties do those letters represent ? >> >> My papertrail says Timahoe, Kildare to the colonies (SC) in 1751 but that >> might have been a gathering place for the voyge. I'm not sure where my >> 5th >> Ggrandfather, Walter Kelly, was born nor exact date of birth, guessing >> abt. >> 1730. >> >> Thanks >> >> George >> > > > ========IRL-LAOIS Mailing List======== > Leix/Laois websites: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Leix/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/index.htm > Add your Leix/Laois surname to the Surname Registry. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1873 - Release Date: 1/3/2009 2:14 PM

I have just added some more data to these records both Marriage and Baptism records. Please note that these records are all Roman Catholic. http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/Records_Index.htm Kind Regards Michael Brennan Carlow IGP: http://www.igp-web.com/carlow/index.htm My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm

Hi Michael, I have an unrelated, or general question, In IHDP (Irish Heritage DNA Project). The admin. has me, my ancestors) listed as PROBABLY being from Connacht & counties GY/RM. What counties do those letters represent ? My papertrail says Timahoe, Kildare to the colonies (SC) in 1751 but that might have been a gathering place for the voyge. I'm not sure where my 5th Ggrandfather, Walter Kelly, was born nor exact date of birth, guessing abt. 1730. Thanks George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Brennan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: [LAOIS] Arles / Killabban Records >I have just added some more data to these records both Marriage and Baptism > records. Please note that these records are all Roman Catholic. > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/Records_Index.htm > > > Kind Regards > > Michael Brennan > Carlow IGP: http://www.igp-web.com/carlow/index.htm > My Laois Page: > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm > > > > > > ========IRL-LAOIS Mailing List======== > Leix/Laois websites: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Leix/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/index.htm > Add your Leix/Laois surname to the Surname Registry. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1873 - Release Date: 1/3/2009 2:14 PM

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rosthompson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/1125.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi there, my Thompson family are all buried at Aghaboe in County Laois. There are several branches of the family buried there. I photographed all of the family headstones yesterday so I might be able to help you with some of your research. you can contact me at [email protected] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JackJMcBride Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2626.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Claire, Yes I saw they had finally put those counties online for 1911 on December 23 after many months of delays. I was checking their website daily. The National Archives had sent me an email in October saying they would be online in early December. It will be interesting to see what the actual dates for subsequent counties being online will be, in light of the many delays with these counties being completed and uploaded. Jack Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: claire_santry Surnames: Classification: census Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2626.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You'll be pleased to hear that the much-delayed second release of the Irish Census digitisation project took place, rather quietly, the day before Christmas Eve. It included the 1911 census records for counties Antrim, Down and kerry. You can search them here: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie. The National Archives of Ireland say that the 1911 census returns for Cork, Donegal, Galway, Wexford and Kings (Offaly) will be released by March, and the remaining counties in monthly batches for the next four months. The 1901 census records will be released in one fell swoop (not in batches, as originally planned) by the end of 2009. Happy searching! Claire More about the census here: http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ardena51 Surnames: Brisland Tracey Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2623.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Jane Thankyou very much for your information. just got back from holiday ,jet lag at the moment.I have the Brislands born in Laois ,I have them mixed up with the Tracey's they were born in Laois Queens Ireland. thankyou Ardena Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gensfj Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2661/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Whalen - O'Faolain yDNA project has had a great new results for one of our members, who can trace back to Co Tipperary, he closely matches another of our members from Erill Co Laois. The family have a 36/37 match with 2 other members in the Whalen - O'Faolain group. This is considered a very tight match, so we will be very interested to see if any of the families can find a paper connection between themselves, or if anyone else has a link to any of these families. The lineages of the matches are; Kit 136758, Matthew Whalen, b Ireland, marr Mary Nolan Patrick Joseph Whalen, b 1870, Co Tipperary Ireland, marr to Annie Heaphy Kit# 55192 John Phelan b 1715, Co Laois Ireland. Thomas Phelan b 1750-60, Ireland Michael Phelan b 1785, nr Erill Co Laois Ireland Martin Whelan b bef 1830, Co Laois Ireland, marr Catherine Martin Whelan/Whalen b 1839, Erill Co Laois Ireland, marr Mary John Whalen b 1872, Oakland Co MI, marr Emma and Kit# 84389 William Whalen b 1857, Philadelphia PA, died Minneapolis MN. We also have more families from Co Laois that are awaiting close matches; You can all results and submitted lineages on our new webpage; http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/whalen We are always pleased to have more Whalen/Whelan/Phelan families to join the group to find family connections. Regards Frances Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: king133 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/690.2.1.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Sheila, I don't know for sure but the best fit that I can get from the IFHF is that he was baptised in Dublin in 1825. That fits his birth date per the 1860 US/Rhode Island census. So I think Dublin could be where he was born - tough to tell for sure. Charlie King Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: PeterSmith14 Surnames: Bowe/Bow's Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/690.2.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Charlie, Perhaps your Bowe/Bow's are of a next generation to mine. All I know about mine are that a Michael Bowe m Bridget Tobin abt. 1794 poss. at Ballinakill Queens Co.. Their first child that I know of was Elizabeth. Bpt 17 May 1795 at Ballinakill Queens Co. Next was Bridget or Biddy. Bpt same place 24 Feb. 1797. (She is my connection as she marries a William Walshe Abt 1820 - Ballinakill? (No records for that) Then Michael. Bpt. 25 Apr. 1799, Martin Bpt. 23 Oct 1800 Catherine Bpt ? Mar 1802, Edmund Bpt. Sept. 1804 Thomas Bpt 1804 (who possibly died) as they had another Thomas Bpt Oct 1807. All these bpts. were at Ballinakill. Do you know whereabouts your William came from in Ireland.?? Regards Sheila. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Sheila, I believe the son, Martin, Bpt 25 Oct 1800 is my Martin BOWE. If so, he emigrated to Canada in 1820. Do you have any other information on this family? On the parents, Michael BOWE and Bridget TOBIN? Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [LAOIS] mountrath > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: PeterSmith14 > Surnames: Bowe/Bow's > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/690.2.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Hi Charlie, > Perhaps your Bowe/Bow's are of a next generation to mine. > All I know about mine are that a Michael Bowe m Bridget Tobin abt. 1794 > poss. at Ballinakill Queens Co.. > Their first child that I know of was Elizabeth. Bpt 17 May 1795 at > Ballinakill Queens Co. > > Next was Bridget or Biddy. Bpt same place 24 Feb. 1797. > (She is my connection as she marries a William Walshe Abt 1820 - > Ballinakill? (No records for that) > Then Michael. Bpt. 25 Apr. 1799, > Martin Bpt. 23 Oct 1800 > Catherine Bpt ? Mar 1802, > Edmund Bpt. Sept. 1804 > Thomas Bpt 1804 (who possibly died) as they had another Thomas Bpt Oct > 1807. > All these bpts. were at Ballinakill. > > Do you know whereabouts your William came from in Ireland.?? > > Regards > Sheila. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > ========IRL-LAOIS Mailing List======== > Leix/Laois websites: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Leix/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/index.htm > Add your Leix/Laois surname to the Surname Registry. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: king133 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/690.2.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Sheila, I have a William Bowe/Bow who came from Ireland to the Rhode Island from Ireland about 1850. They seem to have connections to a Sullivan family. Any of this sound familiar? Thanks, Charlie King Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MorrisSutton90 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/1070.4.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Sheila, Sorry that we cannot assist you with any relevant information. We are looking only at the first half of the twentieth century. We have found some of Kathleen's father's relations who emigrated to America, and a step-sister in Ireland of whom we were unaware. Good luck in your search. Kathleen and Morris. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: eaglebald1 Surnames: Ryan Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/1070.4.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: >From (very hard to read) Ballinakill cemetery records, RYan; Ryan Catherine, 41, farmers wife, married, Lisnagamon, 22/4/1931 Ryan Hannagh?, 12, schoolgirl, Lisnagamon, 14/2/1932 Ryan Mrs,.72, farmer, Lisnagamon, 6/10/1936 Ryan William,78, farmer, married,Raggastown,2/6/1939 Ryan Daniel,75,farmer, married,Drimaterrill, 22/7/1946 Ryan Thomas,80,farmer, widower,Lisnagamon,2/12/1950 Ryan Patrick,73,farmer,married,Lisnagamon,8/12/1950 Ryan Mrs Dan,75,farmer,married,Drinaterrill, 4/7/1953 Ryan Mrs.67, farmar,married,Raggestown, 8/6/1956 Ryan John,64,farmer,married,Knock,26/10/1964 Ryan Daniel,91,farmer,widower, Raggestown,13/7/1971 Ryan Peter,64,farmer,married,Lisnagamon,10/4/1984 Ryan Joseph,82,Labourer Ret.single, Chapel st,7/3/1986 Ryan John,80, labourer ret.married,Chapel st,29/6/1989 Ryan Bridget,82, housewife,widow, Knock,26/4/1996. Regards, Jack Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Can anyone help please? Am looking for members of Walsh,Cruise and Sullivan family. Details I have Alexander Walsh born in Ballymona, Kings County in 1830, son of William Walsh and Frances Cruise. He married Sarah Coleman (Daughter of Phillip Coleman and Margaret Sullivan) from Old Connell, Kildare 18 October 1853 in the Church at Killeigh. She was born 25th December 1837. Alexander and Sarah left Ireland for Australia in 1854. Alexander sister travelled with them.