Hi George, Thanks for sending that image to me privately - it helped immensely. I thought I should also post my reply to the list, so here it is. The place name looks like Dureen to me. Whoever wrote the page made their small "e" by coming almost straight across at the beginning before starting the loop of the "e". Compare it with the two e's in Queens County. So the place appears to be Dureen, not Dursen. That -sen had me puzzled because there are not many place names that end that way in Ireland - it made me think of foreign words like Garrison. So I go back to what I wrote previously: > If the name clearly begins with a D, then could the -sen perhaps be > -ren? There are a few places in western Laois that start with Derrin > (which someone could write as Darren). However, they are not quite as > close to Rathdowney as Garrison is. There are several townlands in western Laois that could have been spelled phonetically as Dureen (and plenty of places in other counties called Derreen or with Derreen in the name): (1) "Derreen and Carrowreagh", in the civil parish of Aghmacart (Catholic parish of Durrow), in southwestern Laois along the Laois-Kilkenny border. Actually the civil parish of Rathdowney at one time was composed of three distinctly separate bits, the smallest of which was embedded in Aghmacart civil parish (don't know if this is still true). This townland is only about 5 or 6 miles east-southeast of the town of Rathdowney (about 9 km east and 1 km south of Rathdowney, near Newtown). (2) Derrinoliver, in the civil and Catholic parish of Aghaboe and about 5 miles northeast of Rathdowney town, and 2 miles southeast of the town of Borris-in-Ossory; it is along the R434 if you are going from Borris-in-Ossory to Durrow and very near the rail line (3) Derrinsallagh, also in the civil parish of Aghaboe, south of the town of Borris-in-Ossory on the road (R435) to Donaghmore and Rathdowney; it is about 4 miles north of Rathdowney town. (4) Derrin, again in the civil parish of Aghaboe, less than one mile northeast of the town of Borris-in-Ossory. (5) "Mullaghanard or Derreen" in the civil parish of Rosenallis, which is much further north of Rathdowney (6) Derrinduff in the civil parish of Offerlane, which is also further north of Rathdowney. None of these places seems to be in either Rathdowney civil parish or Rathdowney Catholic parish, but the first 4 are the closest. These last two might be too far north if you think they were near Rathdowney. I have done quite a few extractions from records of Aghaboe Catholic parish. Those show as residence a townland called variously Derren, Derrin and Dern, which might be either (2), (3) or (4). Do you know the maiden name of Sarah Kerr? Perhaps I have extracted something for the family if she was from one these places. Regards, Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon George Carter wrote: > Hi Geralyn, > It definately looks like a D. I`ll attach the page for you to look at, > someone who is familiar with the area may be able to work it out. > If you don`t feel comfortable opening the page, just drop it in your > rubbish bin. > > Sarah Kerrs sister says she was born in Rathdowney in the same census. > It`s quite possible that the girls were born in different places, their > father was a Horse trainer or Breaker so may have had to move around > with his work. The Rathdowney link also ties in with some information > from a cousin. > > Thanks for the interest. > > George. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Geralyn Barry <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > > Sounds like a real puzzle, George. Is the first letter clearly a "D"? > > > I can think of one possibility that sort of rhymes with Darsen, but the > first letter is different. There is a very small townland (85 acres) > just north of Errill called "Garrison" - which could sound like Garsen. > An initial G and D can sound very similar sometimes, especially when > spoken with not a lot of emphasis on the initial sound. Errill is in > Rathdowney civil parish and about 4 miles west of Rathdowney town along > the R433. "Garrison" seems to be one of the few places in the area that > ends in anything sounding like -sen or -son. > > > If the name clearly begins with a D, then could the -sen perhaps be > -ren? There are a few places in western Laois that start with Derrin > (which someone could write as Darren). However, they are not quite as > close to Rathdowney as Garrison is. > > > What is the name of the person in the census? Perhaps the woman's name > could help us figure it out. > > > Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon, USA > > > George Carter wrote: > > I`ve come across a place name mentioned in the 1911 census of England > that I can`t find. This lady`s sister says she was born in Rathdowney, > so this may be close by but I can`t find it. > > It looks like DURSEN or DARSEN, definately in Queens, Does anyone > have any ideas. > > > > George Carter in Whaley Bridge

Hi George, If you could attach an image of the placename from the census someone with local knowledge may be able to recognise it. Another suggestion would be to give details of the person in the census so that someone with access to Ancestry could look at it. Best regards, Seamus. Seamus Moore, Dublin, Ireland. Researching: Moore, Anderson, Myles, Tobin, Norris, Goldrick, Tynan. [email protected]

attached are two maps of Rathdowney Frank Egan George Carter wrote: > I`ve come across a place name mentioned in the 1911 census of England that I can`t find. This lady`s sister says she was born in Rathdowney, so this may be close by but I can`t find it. > It looks like DURSEN or DARSEN, definately in Queens, Does anyone have any ideas. > > George Carter in Whaley Bridge > > > > ========IRL-LAOIS Mailing List======== > Leix/Laois websites: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Leix/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/index.htm > Add your Leix/Laois surname to the Surname Registry. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thanks Frank, Regards. George. ________________________________ From: Frank Egan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 8:29:36 PM Subject: Re: [LAOIS] Place name in Queens Rathdowney is in the  Queens County which is now known as Laois. When I am om my main computer I will see if I can attach a map Frank Egan George Carter wrote: > I`ve come across a place name mentioned in the 1911 census of England that I can`t find. This lady`s sister says she was born in Rathdowney, so this may be close by but I can`t find it. > It looks like DURSEN or DARSEN,  definately in Queens, Does anyone have any ideas. > > George Carter in Whaley Bridge > > >      > ========IRL-LAOIS Mailing List======== > Leix/Laois websites: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Leix/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/index.htm > Add your Leix/Laois surname to the Surname Registry. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >  ========IRL-LAOIS Mailing List======== Leix/Laois websites: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Leix/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/index.htm Add your Leix/Laois surname to the Surname Registry. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rathdowney is in the Queens County which is now known as Laois. When I am om my main computer I will see if I can attach a map Frank Egan George Carter wrote: > I`ve come across a place name mentioned in the 1911 census of England that I can`t find. This lady`s sister says she was born in Rathdowney, so this may be close by but I can`t find it. > It looks like DURSEN or DARSEN, definately in Queens, Does anyone have any ideas. > > George Carter in Whaley Bridge > > > > ========IRL-LAOIS Mailing List======== > Leix/Laois websites: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Leix/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/index.htm > Add your Leix/Laois surname to the Surname Registry. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thanks for the link, Likewise I can`t see anything that looks even vaguely like my place. Cheers. George. ________________________________ From: hiflyte <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 8:17:24 PM Subject: Re: [LAOIS] Place name in Queens George, Don't see your other names but here is a URL for a google map From the IreAtlas: http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/cgi-bin/iresrch Rathdowney          553    Queen's Co.    Clandonagh    Rathdowney     Donaghmore    Leinster Google Maps: http://tinyurl.com/784d8w Bob Cdn ========================================== George Carter wrote:  <SNIP> > I`ve come across a place name mentioned in the 1911 census of England that I can`t find. This lady`s sister says she was born in Rathdowney, so this may be close by but I can`t find it. > It looks like DURSEN or DARSEN,  definately in Queens, Does anyone have any ideas....

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: seanfjack Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2664/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, hoping to make contact with someone in the Portlaoise area willing to provide some basic local information. Looking at a copy of my grandfather's Service Record from the Garda Archive/Museum it states his place of birth as Pallas, Maryboro, Leix and his DOB as 28th Dec 1895 and Religion as Roman Catholic. >From a distance (up here in Co.Tyrone) the Pallas referred to has to be the area shown on this map http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=53.042452,-7.33758&spn=0.02575,0.108404&t=h&z=14 I'm trying to establish which Church and School he would have attended in the early 1900's if his homeplace was in the Pallas area. I should mention his name was Richard Murphy posted to Co.Donegal in 1922 where he passed away in 1991. I would be grateful if you could forward this Email to a relevant party who may throw some light on the query. Kind Regards Stephen Murphy ( acting on behalf of Sean great-grandson of Richard Murphy ) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

From: Seamus Moore To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:36 PM Subject: Place name in Queenscounty Hi George, If you could attach an image of the placename from the census someone with local knowledge may be able to recognize it. Another suggestion would be to give details of the person in the census so that someone with access to Ancestry could look at it. Best regards, Seamus. Seamus Moore, Dublin, Ireland. Researching: Moore, Anderson, Myles, Tobin, Norris, Goldrick, Tynan. [email protected]

George, I checked the maps on the Laois County Councill site at _http://www.laois.ie/maps/_ (http://www.laois.ie/maps/) There is a location of Raheen on the R433 road not far West of Rathdowney. Granted Raheen doesn't look very much like Darsen or Dursen when printed out, but it all depends on how bad the original handwriting was. Jack Langton **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62)

Sounds like a real puzzle, George. Is the first letter clearly a "D"? I can think of one possibility that sort of rhymes with Darsen, but the first letter is different. There is a very small townland (85 acres) just north of Errill called "Garrison" - which could sound like Garsen. An initial G and D can sound very similar sometimes, especially when spoken with not a lot of emphasis on the initial sound. Errill is in Rathdowney civil parish and about 4 miles west of Rathdowney town along the R433. "Garrison" seems to be one of the few places in the area that ends in anything sounding like -sen or -son. If the name clearly begins with a D, then could the -sen perhaps be -ren? There are a few places in western Laois that start with Derrin (which someone could write as Darren). However, they are not quite as close to Rathdowney as Garrison is. What is the name of the person in the census? Perhaps the woman's name could help us figure it out. Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon, USA George Carter wrote: > I`ve come across a place name mentioned in the 1911 census of England that I can`t find. This lady`s sister says she was born in Rathdowney, so this may be close by but I can`t find it. > It looks like DURSEN or DARSEN, definately in Queens, Does anyone have any ideas. > > George Carter in Whaley Bridge

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maria_smyth Surnames: Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2590.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Hensey grave is my great grand father and great grand mother. I went to Ireland in 2006 and went to the Pike with a relative Mary Higgins(nee Hensey) this was her grandfather. She says the grave also contains Berties Grayson, Annie Quinn(Hensey) Dick Quinn, Sarah Hensey(Dooley) and her childen Patrick and Elizabeth. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

George, Don't see your other names but here is a URL for a google map From the IreAtlas: http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/cgi-bin/iresrch Rathdowney 553 Queen's Co. Clandonagh Rathdowney Donaghmore Leinster Google Maps: http://tinyurl.com/784d8w Bob Cdn ========================================== George Carter wrote: <SNIP> > I`ve come across a place name mentioned in the 1911 census of England that I can`t find. This lady`s sister says she was born in Rathdowney, so this may be close by but I can`t find it. > It looks like DURSEN or DARSEN, definately in Queens, Does anyone have any ideas.... > =================

I`ve come across a place name mentioned in the 1911 census of England that I can`t find. This lady`s sister says she was born in Rathdowney, so this may be close by but I can`t find it. It looks like DURSEN or DARSEN,  definately in Queens, Does anyone have any ideas. George Carter in Whaley Bridge

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: erick233 Surnames: Connerton Acres Classification: census Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2663/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for the parents of my Great Grandfather Patrick connaughton and he may have been a twin. Born 3/21/1840 in Ireland Moved to and married in Walsall, England in the December quarter of 1873 Sarah (Rae)or Ray Rolinson From Darlaston Born 1834. She had been married before and had at least 2 children from previous marriage. Children: Thomas Born 11/21/1874 was christened in St Patricks RC church in Dec 1874,--- Catherine Connerton born 5 Jul 1877 ----Mary Connerton born 1867 Later lived John St . The family emmigrated to USA in about 1898. Would anyone have information on the family that he came from in Ireland Also looking for parents of my other great grandparents Standish Acres and Matilda Barnaby Both Born 1871 in Ireland. Miriam Olofsson Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: erick233 Surnames: Connerton Acres Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2662/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for the parents of my Great Grandfather Patrick connaughton and he may have been a twin. Born 3/21/1840 in Ireland Moved to and married in Walsall, England in the December quarter of 1873 Sarah (Rae)or Ray Rolinson From Darlaston Born 1834. She had been married before and had at least 2 children from previous marriage. Children: Thomas Born 11/21/1874 was christened in St Patricks RC church in Dec 1874,--- Catherine Connerton born 5 Jul 1877 ----Mary Connerton born 1867 Later lived John St . The family emmigrated to USA in about 1898. Would anyone have information on the family that he came from in Ireland Also looking for parents of my other great grandparents Standish Acres and Matilda Barnaby Both Born 1871 in Ireland. Miriam Olofsson Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thank you Lee. Freda ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [LAOIS] Bellegrove > Additionally, Portnahinch is approximately 2.6 miles (4.2 km) northeast of > Mountmellick (per "Ordnance Survey of Ireland, Discovery Series, #54"). > > Lee > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: hiflyte <[email protected]> > >> Sean Raud/IreAtlas: >> http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/cgi-bin/iresrch >> Bellegrove 702 Queen's Co. Portnahinch Lea >> Mountmellick Leinster >> >> Bob >> Cdn >> ======================================= >> f summerfield wrote: ...Bellegrove , Bellegrive Farm or Bellygrove >> were on birth certificates. Can anyone tell me exactly where this is in >> Laois?... >> ================ >> ========IRL-LAOIS Mailing List======== >> Leix/Laois websites: >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Leix/ >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/index.htm >> Add your Leix/Laois surname to the Surname Registry. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > ========IRL-LAOIS Mailing List======== > Leix/Laois websites: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Leix/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/index.htm > Add your Leix/Laois surname to the Surname Registry. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bob, thank you for the ionformation. Freda ----- Original Message ----- From: "hiflyte" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [LAOIS] Bellegrove > Sean Raud/IreAtlas: > http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/cgi-bin/iresrch > Bellegrove 702 Queen's Co. Portnahinch Lea > Mountmellick Leinster > > Bob > Cdn > ======================================= > f summerfield wrote: <SNIP>...Bellegrove , Bellegrive Farm or Bellygrove > were on birth certificates. Can anyone tell me exactly where this is in > Laois?... > ================ > ========IRL-LAOIS Mailing List======== > Leix/Laois websites: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Leix/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/index.htm > Add your Leix/Laois surname to the Surname Registry. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Additionally, Portnahinch is approximately 2.6 miles (4.2 km) northeast of Mountmellick (per "Ordnance Survey of Ireland, Discovery Series, #54"). Lee -------------- Original message -------------- From: hiflyte <[email protected]> > Sean Raud/IreAtlas: > http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/cgi-bin/iresrch > Bellegrove 702 Queen's Co. Portnahinch Lea > Mountmellick Leinster > > Bob > Cdn > ======================================= > f summerfield wrote: ...Bellegrove , Bellegrive Farm or Bellygrove > were on birth certificates. Can anyone tell me exactly where this is in > Laois?... > ================ > ========IRL-LAOIS Mailing List======== > Leix/Laois websites: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Leix/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/index.htm > Add your Leix/Laois surname to the Surname Registry. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

My gt grandparents came to Ireland from Caithness, Scotland c 1860. and moved north c1870. Bellegrove , Bellegrive Farm or Bellygrove were on birth certificates. Can anyone tell me exactly where this is in Laois? Their name was Gunn and they were Presbyterians.I would like to be anle to find where the children were baptized. Thank you. Freda

Sean Raud/IreAtlas: http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/cgi-bin/iresrch Bellegrove 702 Queen's Co. Portnahinch Lea Mountmellick Leinster Bob Cdn ======================================= f summerfield wrote: <SNIP>...Bellegrove , Bellegrive Farm or Bellygrove were on birth certificates. Can anyone tell me exactly where this is in Laois?... ================