Geralyn, Thanks for all the info. Our library has this book and it would be easier for me to read it there. Maybe you could answer another question? If a son-in-law is living with his father-in-law would the s-i-l be counted in Griffiths valuation since he wouldn't be the occupier? Thanks again, Regards, Kay -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Geralyn Barry Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAOIS] Fw: House books >> Are the quarto and tenure books similar to the house and field books? >> Which would be the earliest? >> Thanks, Kay Kay, the books vary a great deal by location. You first need to check to see if all the various valuation manuscript books survived and are available for the area of interest to you. The only way of knowing when they were done is to look at the books for your area and see if they are dated. It is sometimes hard to find the dates. I know of no comprehensive list of what is available other than what is in the Family History Library catalog. You really just have to look at the records yourself, which I would say is the first rule of genealogy research anyway. You can't tell what the records are like for a particular area unless you check them. I have looked at some books for some areas in Ireland that have no names of occupiers at all (just descriptions of property). That is not very useful for genealogy purposes. At the other extreme, in some areas, the books contain names of occupiers and are extremely detailed, covering a period of several years before the printed valuation came out, with at least one update. In such cases, you can glean a lot of information about people during Famine times. It is so startling to see references to evictions and the pulling down of dwellings there in black and white - the holding is struck out and the word "Down" written by it, indicating it has been pulled down. When you look at the various manuscript valuation books, it is helpful to have Ouimette's article handy and also the book by James R. Reilly, Richard Griffith and His Valuations of Ireland. You can see a preview of Reilly's book at Google books. I include below a link to p. 31, which explains some of the books you asked about (Quarto, house, etc.): http://books.google.com/books?id=MqAYwjPXVngC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Richard +Griffith+and+His+Valuation+of+Ireland+James+R.+Reilly#PPA31,M1 As it says there, the "tenure books" are actually called perambulation books and sometimes give details about leases. The discussion about perambulation books begins on p. 29 in Reilly's book. You can get to it by paging back from p. 31 at Google books. I also recommend Reilly's book for any one who wants to get more out of the entries in Griffith's Valuation. The Valuation was a complex thing. It was done over many years, and procedures changed when new laws were passed. If you really want to understand the documents you are looking at, you need to know something about them. Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon ========IRL-LAOIS Mailing List======== Leix/Laois websites: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Leix/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/index.htm Add your Leix/Laois surname to the Surname Registry. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jimbehan1 Surnames: Behan / Tynan Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2675/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm interested in any info. regarding the Behan or Tynan families associated with the townlands of Courtwood, Jamestown, Ballybrittas, Vicarstown, Mountmellick, Emo Portarlington in Ireland. J.Behan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: roysar Surnames: Holohan Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2674.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, just seen your post re: Mary Holohan and you could be right,although I think you may have the date of birth for Mary wrong. I have not done much with this side of the family for a while. My grandmother, Margaret(1887-1970), was the daughter of Michael and Mary Holohan (nee Mills)and came from a large family. She had sisters:Catherine,Molly,Elizabeth and Nan and two brothers:- James and Michael.Catherine died c1950 and was married to ?Gibbons. They had 3 sons:Dan,Michael and Christopher. Elizabeth married Benjamin Anderson. Nan had one daghter that I know of. She was called Lily and the last I heard she was living in Bury, Lancashire under the name Lily Smith. Michael Gibbons died in Kilkenny in 2003 and gave me much of this information before he died. Hope this helps. If you want to contact me direct then please do on [email protected] King regards, Roy Scott. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

hiflyte wrote: What is Quimette's article? > ===================================== > Geralyn Barry wrote: >> <SNIP> >> When you look at the various manuscript valuation books, it is helpful to have Ouimette's article handy and also the book by James R. Reilly, Richard Griffith and His Valuations of Ireland. You can see a preview of Reilly's book at Google books. I include below a link to p. 31, which explains some of the books you asked about (Quarto, house, etc.): ... It is an excellent article by David Ouimette (pronounced WE-MET) about this set of records (House Books, Field Books, Perambulation Books, etc.). The article appeared in Vol. 27, No. 1 (Jan 2006) of The Septs, a publication of the Irish Genealogical Society International (IGSI), based in Minnesota, USA. If you are doing Irish research and aren't a member, you should be, just to get their fine publication, which recently received an award. If you become a member, you can access all the back issues of The Septs online at their website. For more about the article and the records it refers to, see my post to the Laois list of 2/2/2009 titled Re: [LAOIS] House books. It is the post where the first sentence is: Deb, the house and field books are part of the manuscript Valuation records connected with the more well-known printed "Griffith's Valuation". Later in that same post I wrote: I have to make another plug for the IGSI (Irish Genealogical Society International, website at http://www.irishgenealogical.org/): If you are a member, you can now view and download any of the issues of IGSI’s quarterly journal The Septs since the beginning of its publication in 1980! It is a great publication, with many articles written by well-known Irish researchers. So you can read David Ouimette's excellent article yourself online if you join. They are also running a special on membership just now - get 2 others to join with you and you get your membership free! See their website for details and how to go about it. There are many other reasons to join beyond receiving The Septs. They have a wonderful library in Minnesota, and the staff will do lookups for members at a nominal charge. Perhaps several people on the list will want to get together and join... Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon

Geralyn What is Quimette's article? Thanks Bob ===================================== Geralyn Barry wrote: > <SNIP> > When you look at the various manuscript valuation books, it is helpful to have Ouimette's article handy and also the book by James R. Reilly, Richard Griffith and His Valuations of Ireland. You can see a preview of Reilly's book at Google books. I include below a link to p. 31, which explains some of the books you asked about (Quarto, house, etc.): ... >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: PeterButler37 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2673.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a Patrick Egan as a witness to the marriage of my GGrandparents in 1874 in Aghaboe, Queens County. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Eileen4000 Surnames: Egan, Murray Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2673/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am researching the family of James Egan b:1817 who married Letitia Murray. They had a daughter, Margaret Egan born 1847-49 in Laios. They then immigrated to the US and had two more daughters and a son; Mary,Daria & John William in Maryland. I am looking for the Murray or Egan famiy connection in Laios. Eileen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rm_anc Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2672.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Could not find any data on your surname in the Griffiths Valuation data, LDS/FHC/BIVRI2 data, those files I have acces to, Did find the surname on the IGI site at www.familysearch.org which you have access to. Sorry I have no additional data for you Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

>> Are the quarto and tenure books similar to the house and field books? >> Which would be the earliest? >> Thanks, Kay Kay, the books vary a great deal by location. You first need to check to see if all the various valuation manuscript books survived and are available for the area of interest to you. The only way of knowing when they were done is to look at the books for your area and see if they are dated. It is sometimes hard to find the dates. I know of no comprehensive list of what is available other than what is in the Family History Library catalog. You really just have to look at the records yourself, which I would say is the first rule of genealogy research anyway. You can't tell what the records are like for a particular area unless you check them. I have looked at some books for some areas in Ireland that have no names of occupiers at all (just descriptions of property). That is not very useful for genealogy purposes. At the other extreme, in some areas, the books contain names of occupiers and are extremely detailed, covering a period of several years before the printed valuation came out, with at least one update. In such cases, you can glean a lot of information about people during Famine times. It is so startling to see references to evictions and the pulling down of dwellings there in black and white - the holding is struck out and the word "Down" written by it, indicating it has been pulled down. When you look at the various manuscript valuation books, it is helpful to have Ouimette's article handy and also the book by James R. Reilly, Richard Griffith and His Valuations of Ireland. You can see a preview of Reilly's book at Google books. I include below a link to p. 31, which explains some of the books you asked about (Quarto, house, etc.): http://books.google.com/books?id=MqAYwjPXVngC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Richard+Griffith+and+His+Valuation+of+Ireland+James+R.+Reilly#PPA31,M1 As it says there, the "tenure books" are actually called perambulation books and sometimes give details about leases. The discussion about perambulation books begins on p. 29 in Reilly's book. You can get to it by paging back from p. 31 at Google books. I also recommend Reilly's book for any one who wants to get more out of the entries in Griffith's Valuation. The Valuation was a complex thing. It was done over many years, and procedures changed when new laws were passed. If you really want to understand the documents you are looking at, you need to know something about them. Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon

What information do you have on the Cassidy side of the family? Frank in Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:50 PM Subject: [LAOIS] I need help with..John Thomas Eacrett > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: nfldynasty1972 > Surnames: Eacrett, Slavin > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2672/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Im trying to find some information on two people; # 1. John Thomas Eacrett(b. 1839 Ballybritas Ireland, immigrated to Huron, Ontario Canada in 1854...He was my g-g-grandfather, #2. Johns daughter, Mary Ann (Eacrett) Cassidy (b. 1869 NY, d. 1904 NY). Actual documents in my tree are; the marriage certificate for Mary Ann (Eacrett) Cassidy, proves her parents were John Thomas Eacrett and Annie Slavin. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > ========IRL-LAOIS Mailing List======== > Leix/Laois websites: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Leix/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/index.htm > Add your Leix/Laois surname to the Surname Registry. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nfldynasty1972 Surnames: Eacrett, Slavin Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2672/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Im trying to find some information on two people; # 1. John Thomas Eacrett(b. 1839 Ballybritas Ireland, immigrated to Huron, Ontario Canada in 1854...He was my g-g-grandfather, #2. Johns daughter, Mary Ann (Eacrett) Cassidy (b. 1869 NY, d. 1904 NY). Actual documents in my tree are; the marriage certificate for Mary Ann (Eacrett) Cassidy, proves her parents were John Thomas Eacrett and Annie Slavin. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Are these House and field books at the Tullamore History Center? I am going over next week and see that Laois and Offaley records are not on the Family History Website...are they available at Tullamore or where? I am looking for early 1800 Catholic Records. Thankx. Mizz Lizz

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Patzy_c70 Surnames: Armstrong, Callaghan, Nolan, Carter, Grattan, Coady, Mahoney, Grace. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/1115.1.5.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Good morning Jack. I forgot to mention I have several posts on most sites - I am Patzy_c70. Great news,I will look for the Armstrong family tree you mention. Thank you for your prompt reply & attention on this, your very kind. Heres hoping Patzy C UK Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: eaglebald1 Surnames: Callaghan/Armstrong Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/1115.1.5.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thers is the 'Armstrong family tree' site that mentions Abbeyleix and there is Pat Callaghan looking for Callaghan in Urlingford who has a site on Genform, e-mail [email protected] I'll search Abbeyleix and surrounding ares for Bridget. Jack Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Patzy_c70 Surnames: Armstrong, Callaghan, Nolan, Carter, Grattan, Coady, Mahoney, Grace. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/1115.1.5.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Jack. Oppps sorry I should have mentioned Bridget married John CALLAGHAN/CALLAHAN/O`CALLAGHAN. Thanks again. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Patzy_c70 Surnames: Armstrong, Callaghan, Nolan, Carter, Grattan, Coady, Mahoney, Grace. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/1115.1.5.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Jack. I have recently discovered my Bridget Armstrong born c1845/50 came from Abbeyleix Laois to Urlingford banished by her noble family. I have searched every possible graveyard for Bridget and her husband John grave/headstone on both sides of the Tipp & Kilkenny border in the parishes of Urlingford,Fennor, Kilcooly and so on. If she came from Laois maybe she returned years later and they could be buried there. Would you please have a look at your data for them or any Armstrong. Thank you much appreciated Patzy C UK Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Patzy_c70 Surnames: Armstrong, Callaghan, Nolan, Carter, Grattan, Coady, Mahoney, Grace. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2671/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Bridget Armstrong born c1845/50 married to John Callaghan born abt the same time, lived in the parish of Urlingford at the time of sons James birth in 1873. While visiting Urlingford Co.Kilkenny last month a very old relative of mine told me what he knows of Bridget - I jotted his info down and have tried to make sense of it all but I need help with this one please. He told me Bridget Armstrong came from Laois. Bridget was of noble blood. He mentioned Devesse or Devesci and Armstrong-Jones as names. He said Bridget arrived in Urlingford from Abbeyliex area "with child" pregnant. She had been banished from the Abbeyleix area as she brought shame on such a prestigious family never to be allowed back! I really dont know where to start with this one. I have no idea on Queens/Laois genealogy, I have been looking for her in the counties of Tipperary & Kilkenny (Fennor & Urlingford) for the last four or so years, no wonder I couldnt find her! I have the info on the De Vesci family of Abbetleix from Peerage.com but can find no connection Any help would be very welcome indeed. Thank you Patzy C UK Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

David, Could not locate the names in your posting but did find these two Sut* mrgs in Queens, that may interest you I have no connection to this surname Bob Cdn -------------------------- WILDE, Isaac Marriage Wife: Jane SUTCLIFFE Marriage Date: 7 Feb 1856 Recorded in: Abbey Leix, Queens, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: Thomas WILDE Wife's Father: John SUTCLIFFE Source: FHL Film 101372 Dates: 1856 - 1856 SUTLIFFE, Thomas Marriage Wife: Deborah NEWMAN Marriage Date: 12 Jul 1847 Recorded in: Abbeyleix, Queens, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: Thomas SUTLIFFE Wife's Father: Robert NEWMAN Source: FHL Film 101282 Dates: 1847 - 1847 ======================== David Sutcliffe wrote: <SNIP>... My great-grandfather, Gilbert James SUTCLIFFE was born of the parents James SUTCLIFFE and Fanny (DIXON) in 1857 in Leamington Spa, Warwickshire, England. My research thus far has located the marriage certificate for James and Fanny, who were married on 23 Mar 1856 in Manchester, Lancaster, England..... =========================

Mizz Lizz I come from Dowlings in Mountrath, Laois and have my DNA profile. Please liaise direct. Regards, Brian Thomas Dowling - Web: www.dowlingfamily.info E-mail: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Liz Kirchgatter Sent: 05 February 2009 21:19 To: [email protected] Subject: [LAOIS] Looking for John, Thomas and Jeremiah Dooley from Trumra... Have DNA match for these 3 fellas in Trumra Laois...any conntections out there that can help with with this area...leaving for Ireland in two weeks...Thankx, Mizz Lizz ========IRL-LAOIS Mailing List======== Leix/Laois websites: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Leix/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllex/index.htm Add your Leix/Laois surname to the Surname Registry. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: carolhyl Surnames: Ryan, Murphy, Kelly Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.lex.general/2670/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for the children of Timothy Ryan and Catherine Murphy b.c1810 they had a son called Jeremiah Ryan b 22/1/1832 he was married to Mary Kelly on the 4/10/1857 any information on this Ryan family would be gratefully appreciated. Regards Carol Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.