>From The Kilkenny People Feb 22, 2007: Once A Miner..... - Watch out for "The Comer Mining Connection" on URBAN TALES, which will be on RTE1 next Tuesday (Feb 27) at 7PM (Ireland Time). (For more information go to _www.RTE.IE/TV/_ (http://www.RTE.IE/TV/) and click on URBAN TALES.) Jack Langton <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

I have updated the County Kilkenny section of my website (url under my name). I have added more names to the County Kilkenny Surname Registry and added two more tithe applotment transcriptions for the civil parishes of Tullaroan and Tullahought. If you submitted a name for the surname registry, please check it for accuracy. If you find a mistake or your data has changed, fill out a new form and put 'change' in the field where you want the change. Don't forget to change your email address if it has changes. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

BALLINA CHRONICLE Ballina, Co. Mayo Wednesday, September 4, 1850 AN ENGLISH LANDLORD IN IRELAND Lord Vaux of Harrowden has been for some time residing on his estate in the county of Kilkenny, where, it appears, he has been extending employment, in an improved system of farm labour and exerting himself to better the condition of the humbler classes. By one of the local journals the noble lord has been landed; by another, his lordship has been taken to task for certain alleged proceedings, having a tendency to reform the habits of the peasantry. In consequence of an attack of this latter character, Lord Vaux has addressed the following remarkable letter to the Kilkenny Journal:- "Ballyconra House, August 26 "Sir,- I find by hour journal of Saturday last that some person has thought it worth his while to make up the subject of an attack in the Kilkenny Moderator. "I have inquired what were the charges preferred against me in that paper, and I find that I was accused - first, of remonstrating with an old man for preparing to shoot an old house upon the high road; secondly, with having objected to a blacksmith lighting a fire on the roadside for the purpose of ringing a cart wheel; and thirdly, with scolding a boy for riding his jackass upon the footpath. "I plead guilty of all these charges, although two of them are pure inventions. I certainly object to an old man, or young man or any man, shooting a horse or other beast upon the public road, for the obvious reason, that in shooting the horse he might by some error in aim, shoot a man or woman passing by. "2. I object, when I go to walk out for fresh air, to being smoke dried as I go along the road. "3. I have an objection to being ridden down, even by a jackass. "These may be peculiar fancies of mine, and I by no means wish to enforce them on other people. "I can stand fire; and smoke, and jackasses, as well as other people. 'If we must endure them '- so be it. "I am told that I am also accused in general terms, of proposing to civilize and teach manners to the wild Irish. Bless the man! whatever could have put that into his head? I have come not to teach the people manners, I come to teach them how to drain their lands. I did not come to civilise them, I came to feed them. If the Moderator correspondent had only gone up to Phyrhoda, any time during the summer, he would have found no bowing and scraping, but digging and scraping the bottoms of the drains. "I wish that this gentleman, wherever he is, would ask to see my accounts, and he would find, that men who at first could only earn 3s. or 4s. a week, have now learned to earn 8s. or 9s. or even 10s. a week. These are the manners that I have been teaching. If the people will only learn them, which they have been willing to do. They may shoot old horses, ring wheels or pig's noses, or ride jackasses up to Dublin castle for anything that I care. "But I hear that it is also said that I am preparing to take out the commissions of the peace, in order the more surely to put down knackering on the high road, smoke drying and jackass riding. I have refused the commission of the peace, so that these charms of liberty may still be enjoyed and the Moderator correspondent may still shoot his old horse when he finds that he can no longer kick him along, or tinker up the wheel of the old car by the road side if it won't turn round, or mount his jackass as formerly. I would not for all California deprive people of such enjoyments, now that I understand their value. I ignorantly supposed such things to be public nuisances, but we live and learn.-- Your obedient servant, "VAUX OF HARROWDEN". Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

I will be offline or some time until I complete some personal business,Please do not send any mail until I notify you. Thanks,I really appreciate it,I could not navigate the help desk @Rootsweb. dez7connie@netzero.com

Renewing family research in the names of KEHOE\KEOGH. At present it a stone wall after years of research so far never found where and when my grand father Martin KEHOE or KEOGH also his father Patrick when born. Martin possible year 1861\2 Patrick 1838. There is a Kilkenny connection with Maudlin Street in Kilkenny City, in number 4 Maudlin street where they lived there was the family of Comerfords living there maybe sub letting or some relation to Martin and Patrick. In Griffiths valuation Patrick Comerford mentioned in the valuation Martin was the only child, left Ireland to live in Liverpool England 1876 age 13\14 Martin married in St Mary's Pownall Square Liverpool to Mary DOBBIN of Nicholas 1885. I recently searched the Cancelation books in the Irish Life (Valuation Office) There was a Martin Kehoe living at 26 Maudlin St until 1876 and a James 47 maudlin St later changed to Lower John St Surnames of interest KING Sleaty St Carlow DOBBIN Lisnafunshin Co Kilkenny and Ballsallaugh ROONEY Carlow KEHOE&KEOGH Les in Artane -----Original Message----- From: irl-kilkenny-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kilkenny-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of irl-kilkenny-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 08 February 2007 08:01 To: irl-kilkenny@rootsweb.com Subject: IRL-KILKENNY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 17 Add/check your County Kilkenny surname at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Kilkenny/ Today's Topics: 1. Lookups Callan (Kate Hanley) 2. Seeking the families of Michael McGrath and Catherine Brennan (Ann Burns) 3. Re: Seeking the families of Michael McGrath and CatherineBrennan (Norm Connors) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:39:01 -0500 From: "Kate Hanley" <khanley@keyisp.com> Subject: [KILKENNY] Lookups Callan To: <irl-kilkenny@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001401c74ade$dbb7f610$0601a8c0@edgar> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Sorry, I only find a few Tracy names, but only as sponsors, and none with your given names. There are quite a few Commerford's but none married to a Tracy. 3 Comerford Graves: Erected by Thomas & Patrick Reade of Sidney, New South Wales, formerly of Stoneyford in mem of their father Michael Reade who died June 20th 1866 aged 62 yrs. Also their mother Bridget Reade alias Comerford who died November 10th 1851 aged 40 yrs. Also their uncle James Reade who died September 19th 1863 aged 72 yrs. And Mary Reade alias Hanrahan, wife of Henry Reade who died May 29th 1874 aged 50 yrs. Kate Ryan died March 17th 1945 aged 71 yrs. (IHS cross) Comerford,John Mallardstown Lower Comerford, Patrick Rathculbin Kate ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:23:38 -0500 From: "Ann Burns" <ann.burns@rogers.com> Subject: [KILKENNY] Seeking the families of Michael McGrath and Catherine Brennan To: <IRL-KILKENNY@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <010e01c74ae5$16970270$7e00a8c0@meetingsuccess> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello, I'm new to the list and hope that someone might be able to point me in the right direction. My maternal gg grandparents were Michael McGrath (1817 to 1901) and Catherine Brennan (1836 - 1881). Both were born in County Kilkenny and emigrated to Canada, most likely around 1847. Michael was the son of William McGrath and Mary Meagher. Catherine was the daughter of John Brennan and Helen Walsh. All were Roman Catholic. >From what family information I've been able to find, I believe that Michael emigrated alone, or at least not with his parents. He settled in or around Ottawa, ON Canada - then known as Bytown. I think Catherine must have emigrated with her family because she was only 18 when they married in 1854. However, I have not been able to locate her family in the Canadian census of 1851. I did find a Catherine Brennan of the right age working as a servant in the Bytown area so she may have come alone or with other relatives, perhaps siblings. Unfortunately I have not been able to dig up any information that would give me a clue as to what parish or townland they were from in Kilkenny. The obituaries for both Michael and Catherine simply give the county. The marriage register at Notre Dame Basilica in Ottawa gives their parents names and the names of their witnesses. I would love to have some suggestions as to where I might start looking for their families in Kilkenny. I'm quite aware this is a daunting task and might not lead to any more information than I have now. Ann Burns Ottawa ON Canada ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:44:59 -0500 From: "Norm Connors" <norm@connorsland.net> Subject: Re: [KILKENNY] Seeking the families of Michael McGrath and CatherineBrennan To: <irl-kilkenny@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <2AFF26648BF64471A63705844063BA4B@VISTAPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Ann, Here is a link to a web page that I started to put together after my trip to Ireland a couple of years ago. http://normconnors.net/pics/Callan%20Cemetary/index.htm Be sure to click on the last picture on the page which is a picture of Tommy's house and has a narative of my visit with him. I ran into a Tommy McGrath (pronounce mac-graw) while attempting to track down my great-grandfather. It turns out that I was on the wrong trail but my experience with Tommy was priceless. See the site for the details and feel free to ask me anything you like although I don't kknow much more than what I state on the site. Norm Connors ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Burns" <ann.burns@rogers.com> To: <IRL-KILKENNY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: [KILKENNY] Seeking the families of Michael McGrath and CatherineBrennan > Hello, I'm new to the list and hope that someone might be able to point me > in the right direction. > > My maternal gg grandparents were Michael McGrath (1817 to 1901) and > Catherine Brennan (1836 - 1881). Both were born in County Kilkenny and > emigrated to Canada, most likely around 1847. Michael was the son of > William > McGrath and Mary Meagher. Catherine was the daughter of John Brennan and > Helen Walsh. All were Roman Catholic. > >>From what family information I've been able to find, I believe that >>Michael > emigrated alone, or at least not with his parents. He settled in or around > Ottawa, ON Canada - then known as Bytown. I think Catherine must have > emigrated with her family because she was only 18 when they married in > 1854. > However, I have not been able to locate her family in the Canadian census > of > 1851. I did find a Catherine Brennan of the right age working as a servant > in the Bytown area so she may have come alone or with other relatives, > perhaps siblings. > > Unfortunately I have not been able to dig up any information that would > give > me a clue as to what parish or townland they were from in Kilkenny. The > obituaries for both Michael and Catherine simply give the county. The > marriage register at Notre Dame Basilica in Ottawa gives their parents > names > and the names of their witnesses. > > I would love to have some suggestions as to where I might start looking > for > their families in Kilkenny. I'm quite aware this is a daunting task and > might not lead to any more information than I have now. > > Ann Burns > Ottawa ON Canada > > > > ====IRL-KILKENNY Mailing List==== > Add/check your County Kilkenny surname at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Kilkenny/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KILKENNY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-KILKENNY list administrator, send an email to IRL-KILKENNY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the IRL-KILKENNY mailing list, send an email to IRL-KILKENNY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KILKENNY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Thanks Norm I enjoyed your photos and the story and pictures of Tommy McGrath's house. It's hard to believe anyone lives there - it looks kind of like a Hobbit house. I checked names on the gravestones you photographed in case there was something captured inadvertently to lead to my McGraths - but there wasn't. I'm afraid that I might have come to my brick wall. Ann Message: 3 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:44:59 -0500 From: "Norm Connors" <norm@connorsland.net> Subject: Re: [KILKENNY] Seeking the families of Michael McGrath and CatherineBrennan To: <irl-kilkenny@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <2AFF26648BF64471A63705844063BA4B@VISTAPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Ann, Here is a link to a web page that I started to put together after my trip to Ireland a couple of years ago. http://normconnors.net/pics/Callan%20Cemetary/index.htm Be sure to click on the last picture on the page which is a picture of Tommy's house and has a narative of my visit with him. I ran into a Tommy McGrath (pronounce mac-graw) while attempting to track down my great-grandfather. It turns out that I was on the wrong trail but my experience with Tommy was priceless. See the site for the details and feel free to ask me anything you like although I don't kknow much more than what I state on the site. Norm Connors ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Burns" <ann.burns@rogers.com> To: <IRL-KILKENNY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: [KILKENNY] Seeking the families of Michael McGrath and CatherineBrennan > Hello, I'm new to the list and hope that someone might be able to > point me in the right direction. > > My maternal gg grandparents were Michael McGrath (1817 to 1901) and > Catherine Brennan (1836 - 1881). Both were born in County Kilkenny and > emigrated to Canada, most likely around 1847. Michael was the son of > William McGrath and Mary Meagher. Catherine was the daughter of John > Brennan and Helen Walsh. All were Roman Catholic. > >>From what family information I've been able to find, I believe that >>Michael > emigrated alone, or at least not with his parents. He settled in or > around Ottawa, ON Canada - then known as Bytown. I think Catherine > must have emigrated with her family because she was only 18 when they > married in 1854. However, I have not been able to locate her family in > the Canadian census of > 1851. I did find a Catherine Brennan of the right age working as a servant > in the Bytown area so she may have come alone or with other relatives, > perhaps siblings. > > Unfortunately I have not been able to dig up any information that > would > give > me a clue as to what parish or townland they were from in Kilkenny. The > obituaries for both Michael and Catherine simply give the county. The > marriage register at Notre Dame Basilica in Ottawa gives their parents > names > and the names of their witnesses. > > I would love to have some suggestions as to where I might start > looking > for > their families in Kilkenny. I'm quite aware this is a daunting task and > might not lead to any more information than I have now. > > Ann Burns > Ottawa ON Canada

Ann, Here is a link to a web page that I started to put together after my trip to Ireland a couple of years ago. http://normconnors.net/pics/Callan%20Cemetary/index.htm Be sure to click on the last picture on the page which is a picture of Tommy's house and has a narative of my visit with him. I ran into a Tommy McGrath (pronounce mac-graw) while attempting to track down my great-grandfather. It turns out that I was on the wrong trail but my experience with Tommy was priceless. See the site for the details and feel free to ask me anything you like although I don't kknow much more than what I state on the site. Norm Connors ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Burns" <ann.burns@rogers.com> To: <IRL-KILKENNY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: [KILKENNY] Seeking the families of Michael McGrath and CatherineBrennan > Hello, I'm new to the list and hope that someone might be able to point me > in the right direction. > > My maternal gg grandparents were Michael McGrath (1817 to 1901) and > Catherine Brennan (1836 - 1881). Both were born in County Kilkenny and > emigrated to Canada, most likely around 1847. Michael was the son of > William > McGrath and Mary Meagher. Catherine was the daughter of John Brennan and > Helen Walsh. All were Roman Catholic. > >>From what family information I've been able to find, I believe that >>Michael > emigrated alone, or at least not with his parents. He settled in or around > Ottawa, ON Canada - then known as Bytown. I think Catherine must have > emigrated with her family because she was only 18 when they married in > 1854. > However, I have not been able to locate her family in the Canadian census > of > 1851. I did find a Catherine Brennan of the right age working as a servant > in the Bytown area so she may have come alone or with other relatives, > perhaps siblings. > > Unfortunately I have not been able to dig up any information that would > give > me a clue as to what parish or townland they were from in Kilkenny. The > obituaries for both Michael and Catherine simply give the county. The > marriage register at Notre Dame Basilica in Ottawa gives their parents > names > and the names of their witnesses. > > I would love to have some suggestions as to where I might start looking > for > their families in Kilkenny. I'm quite aware this is a daunting task and > might not lead to any more information than I have now. > > Ann Burns > Ottawa ON Canada > > > > ====IRL-KILKENNY Mailing List==== > Add/check your County Kilkenny surname at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Kilkenny/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KILKENNY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I'm new to the list and hope that someone might be able to point me in the right direction. My maternal gg grandparents were Michael McGrath (1817 to 1901) and Catherine Brennan (1836 - 1881). Both were born in County Kilkenny and emigrated to Canada, most likely around 1847. Michael was the son of William McGrath and Mary Meagher. Catherine was the daughter of John Brennan and Helen Walsh. All were Roman Catholic. >From what family information I've been able to find, I believe that Michael emigrated alone, or at least not with his parents. He settled in or around Ottawa, ON Canada - then known as Bytown. I think Catherine must have emigrated with her family because she was only 18 when they married in 1854. However, I have not been able to locate her family in the Canadian census of 1851. I did find a Catherine Brennan of the right age working as a servant in the Bytown area so she may have come alone or with other relatives, perhaps siblings. Unfortunately I have not been able to dig up any information that would give me a clue as to what parish or townland they were from in Kilkenny. The obituaries for both Michael and Catherine simply give the county. The marriage register at Notre Dame Basilica in Ottawa gives their parents names and the names of their witnesses. I would love to have some suggestions as to where I might start looking for their families in Kilkenny. I'm quite aware this is a daunting task and might not lead to any more information than I have now. Ann Burns Ottawa ON Canada

Sorry, I only find a few Tracy names, but only as sponsors, and none with your given names. There are quite a few Commerford's but none married to a Tracy. 3 Comerford Graves: Erected by Thomas & Patrick Reade of Sidney, New South Wales, formerly of Stoneyford in mem of their father Michael Reade who died June 20th 1866 aged 62 yrs. Also their mother Bridget Reade alias Comerford who died November 10th 1851 aged 40 yrs. Also their uncle James Reade who died September 19th 1863 aged 72 yrs. And Mary Reade alias Hanrahan, wife of Henry Reade who died May 29th 1874 aged 50 yrs. Kate Ryan died March 17th 1945 aged 71 yrs. (IHS cross) Comerford,John Mallardstown Lower Comerford, Patrick Rathculbin Kate

Ireland Genealogy Projects (IGP) has a new project. The project is an archives for Ireland. The idea is that we will put transcriptions of Public Domain (pre 1923) documents online. This will not replace our county projects - it will be an adjunct to them. Submissions are very welcome. The project is called Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives You can see it at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlarchive/ Thanks, Christina

My Emails were bouncing, the address was in capitals letters Renewing family research in the names of KEHOE\KEOGH. At present it a stone wall after years of research so far never found where and when my grand father Martin KEHOE or KEOGH also his father Patrick when born. Martin possible year 1861\2 Patrick 1838. There is a Kilkenny connection with Maudlin Street in Kilkenny City, in number 4 Maudlin street where they lived there was the family of Comerfords living there maybe sub letting or some relation to Martin and Patrick. In Griffiths valuation Patrick Comerford mentioned in the valuation Martin was the only child, left Ireland to live in Liverpool England 1876 age 13\14 Martin married in St Mary's Pownall Square Liverpool to Mary DOBBIN of Nicholas 1885. Surnames of interest KING Sleaty St Carlow DOBBIN Lisnafunshin Co Kilkenny and Ballsallaugh ROONEY Carlow KEHOE&KEOGH Les in Artane -----Original Message----- From: irl-kilkenny-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kilkenny-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of irl-kilkenny-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 29 January 2007 08:04 To: irl-kilkenny@rootsweb.com Subject: [SPAM] IRL-KILKENNY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 14 Add/check your County Kilkenny surname at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Kilkenny/ Today's Topics: 1. Re: IRL-KILKENNY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13 (Brian Wray) 2. Re: IRL-KILKENNY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13 (Lori McBride-Nichols) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:16:43 -0000 From: "Brian Wray" <bjwray@eircom.net> Subject: Re: [KILKENNY] IRL-KILKENNY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13 To: <irl-kilkenny@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002c01c74308$76fa1a10$0201a8c0@companykbfp4pb> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original In a book about St Patrick's Parish it gives a Michael Holahan at 11 Uppr. Patrick St in the 1901 census. No details of family etc. given. It does say he was a mason. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: <irl-kilkenny-request@rootsweb.com> To: <irl-kilkenny@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: IRL-KILKENNY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13 > > > Add/check your County Kilkenny surname at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Kilkenny/ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. HOLOHAN, Kilkenny City (Lori McBride-Nichols) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:37:45 -0700 > From: "Lori McBride-Nichols" <GenealogySearch@msn.com> > Subject: [KILKENNY] HOLOHAN, Kilkenny City > To: <IRL-KILKENNY@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV15F19FDE558125B9E659A4BEA00@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello, I just put this post up on the HOULIHAN list, and realized I should > post here as well: > > I thought I'd post my interests once again, as it has been some time since > I did, and I've got more information (yippee!) now. > > Daniel J. HOLOHAN and Mary LEE are my gggrandparents, and were married at > St. Canice on 24 June 1841, witnesses were Denis HOLOHAN and Ansty LEE. > > Anastatia HOLOHAN, born 14 February 1852, to Daniel J HOLOHAN and Mary > LEE, in Kilkenny City, County Kilkenny. (She was my ggrandmother) > > Other known children are Patrick, born 7 February 1847, sponsors were > Thomas FORD and Mary LOUGHMAN > Another Anastatia was born 21 January 1844, sponsors were John HOLOHAN and > Ansty LEE. > Mary was born 13 May 1842, sponsor listed was Michael HOLOHAN only. > Johanna was born 24 October 1845 > > Daniel had a brother Denis, and most likely the above mentioned John and > Michael were also brothers. The Ansty/Anastatia LEE mentioned is probably > Mary's sister. > > All of the above mentioned births were at 10 Vicar Street, Kilkenny City, > County Kilkenny. The church was St. Canice, where the above information > was obtained. > > I should also mention that my ggrandmother Anastatia HOLOHAN immigrated > (1860's) to the US and settled in New York City. She married Peter > MCBRIDE of County Meath, who immigrated as a youngster. > > Anyone connected to this family would be awesome, and any leads would be > appreciated. > > Thanks very much! > > > Lori McBride-Nichols > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-KILKENNY list administrator, send an email to > IRL-KILKENNY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-KILKENNY mailing list, send an email to > IRL-KILKENNY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KILKENNY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-KILKENNY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13 > ******************************************* > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.5/645 - Release Date: 22/01/2007 > 16:10 > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:47:46 -0700 From: "Lori McBride-Nichols" <GenealogySearch@msn.com> Subject: Re: [KILKENNY] IRL-KILKENNY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13 To: <irl-kilkenny@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV5FF88CA40ACDCD2F9F6EBBEA00@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Brian, Thanks very much for that piece of information. I will note it on my records, and look into it further when I continue my research. Do you know if 11 Uppr. Patrick St is reasonably close to Vicar Street? Thanks again and have a wonderful day, Lori Colorado, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Wray<mailto:bjwray@eircom.net> To: irl-kilkenny@rootsweb.com<mailto:irl-kilkenny@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [KILKENNY] IRL-KILKENNY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13 In a book about St Patrick's Parish it gives a Michael Holahan at 11 Uppr. Patrick St in the 1901 census. No details of family etc. given. It does say he was a mason. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: <irl-kilkenny-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:irl-kilkenny-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <irl-kilkenny@rootsweb.com<mailto:irl-kilkenny@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: IRL-KILKENNY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13 > > > Add/check your County Kilkenny surname at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Kilkenny/<http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Ki lkenny/> > > Today's Topics: > > 1. HOLOHAN, Kilkenny City (Lori McBride-Nichols) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:37:45 -0700 > From: "Lori McBride-Nichols" <GenealogySearch@msn.com<mailto:GenealogySearch@msn.com>> > Subject: [KILKENNY] HOLOHAN, Kilkenny City > To: <IRL-KILKENNY@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-KILKENNY@rootsweb.com>> > Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV15F19FDE558125B9E659A4BEA00@phx.gbl<mailto:BAY101-DAV15F19FDE5581 25B9E659A4BEA00@phx.gbl>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello, I just put this post up on the HOULIHAN list, and realized I should > post here as well: > > I thought I'd post my interests once again, as it has been some time since > I did, and I've got more information (yippee!) now. > > Daniel J. HOLOHAN and Mary LEE are my gggrandparents, and were married at > St. Canice on 24 June 1841, witnesses were Denis HOLOHAN and Ansty LEE. > > Anastatia HOLOHAN, born 14 February 1852, to Daniel J HOLOHAN and Mary > LEE, in Kilkenny City, County Kilkenny. (She was my ggrandmother) > > Other known children are Patrick, born 7 February 1847, sponsors were > Thomas FORD and Mary LOUGHMAN > Another Anastatia was born 21 January 1844, sponsors were John HOLOHAN and > Ansty LEE. > Mary was born 13 May 1842, sponsor listed was Michael HOLOHAN only. > Johanna was born 24 October 1845 > > Daniel had a brother Denis, and most likely the above mentioned John and > Michael were also brothers. The Ansty/Anastatia LEE mentioned is probably > Mary's sister. > > All of the above mentioned births were at 10 Vicar Street, Kilkenny City, > County Kilkenny. The church was St. Canice, where the above information > was obtained. > > I should also mention that my ggrandmother Anastatia HOLOHAN immigrated > (1860's) to the US and settled in New York City. She married Peter > MCBRIDE of County Meath, who immigrated as a youngster. > > Anyone connected to this family would be awesome, and any leads would be > appreciated. > > Thanks very much! > > > Lori McBride-Nichols > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-KILKENNY list administrator, send an email to > IRL-KILKENNY-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-KILKENNY-admin@rootsweb.com>. > > To post a message to the IRL-KILKENNY mailing list, send an email to > IRL-KILKENNY@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-KILKENNY@rootsweb.com>. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KILKENNY-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-KILKENNY-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-KILKENNY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13 > ******************************************* > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.5/645 - Release Date: 22/01/2007 > 16:10 > > ====IRL-KILKENNY Mailing List==== Add/check your County Kilkenny surname at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Kilkenny/<http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/ Kilkenny/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KILKENNY-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-KILKENNY-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-KILKENNY list administrator, send an email to IRL-KILKENNY-admin@rootsweb.com. 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In a book about St Patrick's Parish it gives a Michael Holahan at 11 Uppr. Patrick St in the 1901 census. No details of family etc. given. It does say he was a mason. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: <irl-kilkenny-request@rootsweb.com> To: <irl-kilkenny@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: IRL-KILKENNY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13 > > > Add/check your County Kilkenny surname at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Kilkenny/ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. HOLOHAN, Kilkenny City (Lori McBride-Nichols) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:37:45 -0700 > From: "Lori McBride-Nichols" <GenealogySearch@msn.com> > Subject: [KILKENNY] HOLOHAN, Kilkenny City > To: <IRL-KILKENNY@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV15F19FDE558125B9E659A4BEA00@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello, I just put this post up on the HOULIHAN list, and realized I should > post here as well: > > I thought I'd post my interests once again, as it has been some time since > I did, and I've got more information (yippee!) now. > > Daniel J. HOLOHAN and Mary LEE are my gggrandparents, and were married at > St. Canice on 24 June 1841, witnesses were Denis HOLOHAN and Ansty LEE. > > Anastatia HOLOHAN, born 14 February 1852, to Daniel J HOLOHAN and Mary > LEE, in Kilkenny City, County Kilkenny. (She was my ggrandmother) > > Other known children are Patrick, born 7 February 1847, sponsors were > Thomas FORD and Mary LOUGHMAN > Another Anastatia was born 21 January 1844, sponsors were John HOLOHAN and > Ansty LEE. > Mary was born 13 May 1842, sponsor listed was Michael HOLOHAN only. > Johanna was born 24 October 1845 > > Daniel had a brother Denis, and most likely the above mentioned John and > Michael were also brothers. The Ansty/Anastatia LEE mentioned is probably > Mary's sister. > > All of the above mentioned births were at 10 Vicar Street, Kilkenny City, > County Kilkenny. The church was St. Canice, where the above information > was obtained. > > I should also mention that my ggrandmother Anastatia HOLOHAN immigrated > (1860's) to the US and settled in New York City. She married Peter > MCBRIDE of County Meath, who immigrated as a youngster. > > Anyone connected to this family would be awesome, and any leads would be > appreciated. > > Thanks very much! > > > Lori McBride-Nichols > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-KILKENNY list administrator, send an email to > IRL-KILKENNY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-KILKENNY mailing list, send an email to > IRL-KILKENNY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KILKENNY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-KILKENNY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13 > ******************************************* > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.5/645 - Release Date: 22/01/2007 > 16:10 > >

Hi Brian, Thanks very much for that piece of information. I will note it on my records, and look into it further when I continue my research. Do you know if 11 Uppr. Patrick St is reasonably close to Vicar Street? Thanks again and have a wonderful day, Lori Colorado, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Wray<mailto:bjwray@eircom.net> To: irl-kilkenny@rootsweb.com<mailto:irl-kilkenny@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [KILKENNY] IRL-KILKENNY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13 In a book about St Patrick's Parish it gives a Michael Holahan at 11 Uppr. Patrick St in the 1901 census. No details of family etc. given. It does say he was a mason. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: <irl-kilkenny-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:irl-kilkenny-request@rootsweb.com>> To: <irl-kilkenny@rootsweb.com<mailto:irl-kilkenny@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: IRL-KILKENNY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13 > > > Add/check your County Kilkenny surname at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Kilkenny/<http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Kilkenny/> > > Today's Topics: > > 1. HOLOHAN, Kilkenny City (Lori McBride-Nichols) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:37:45 -0700 > From: "Lori McBride-Nichols" <GenealogySearch@msn.com<mailto:GenealogySearch@msn.com>> > Subject: [KILKENNY] HOLOHAN, Kilkenny City > To: <IRL-KILKENNY@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-KILKENNY@rootsweb.com>> > Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV15F19FDE558125B9E659A4BEA00@phx.gbl<mailto:BAY101-DAV15F19FDE558125B9E659A4BEA00@phx.gbl>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello, I just put this post up on the HOULIHAN list, and realized I should > post here as well: > > I thought I'd post my interests once again, as it has been some time since > I did, and I've got more information (yippee!) now. > > Daniel J. HOLOHAN and Mary LEE are my gggrandparents, and were married at > St. Canice on 24 June 1841, witnesses were Denis HOLOHAN and Ansty LEE. > > Anastatia HOLOHAN, born 14 February 1852, to Daniel J HOLOHAN and Mary > LEE, in Kilkenny City, County Kilkenny. (She was my ggrandmother) > > Other known children are Patrick, born 7 February 1847, sponsors were > Thomas FORD and Mary LOUGHMAN > Another Anastatia was born 21 January 1844, sponsors were John HOLOHAN and > Ansty LEE. > Mary was born 13 May 1842, sponsor listed was Michael HOLOHAN only. > Johanna was born 24 October 1845 > > Daniel had a brother Denis, and most likely the above mentioned John and > Michael were also brothers. The Ansty/Anastatia LEE mentioned is probably > Mary's sister. > > All of the above mentioned births were at 10 Vicar Street, Kilkenny City, > County Kilkenny. The church was St. Canice, where the above information > was obtained. > > I should also mention that my ggrandmother Anastatia HOLOHAN immigrated > (1860's) to the US and settled in New York City. She married Peter > MCBRIDE of County Meath, who immigrated as a youngster. > > Anyone connected to this family would be awesome, and any leads would be > appreciated. > > Thanks very much! > > > Lori McBride-Nichols > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-KILKENNY list administrator, send an email to > IRL-KILKENNY-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-KILKENNY-admin@rootsweb.com>. > > To post a message to the IRL-KILKENNY mailing list, send an email to > IRL-KILKENNY@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-KILKENNY@rootsweb.com>. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KILKENNY-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-KILKENNY-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-KILKENNY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13 > ******************************************* > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.5/645 - Release Date: 22/01/2007 > 16:10 > > ====IRL-KILKENNY Mailing List==== Add/check your County Kilkenny surname at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Kilkenny/<http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Kilkenny/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KILKENNY-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-KILKENNY-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I just put this post up on the HOULIHAN list, and realized I should post here as well: I thought I'd post my interests once again, as it has been some time since I did, and I've got more information (yippee!) now. Daniel J. HOLOHAN and Mary LEE are my gggrandparents, and were married at St. Canice on 24 June 1841, witnesses were Denis HOLOHAN and Ansty LEE. Anastatia HOLOHAN, born 14 February 1852, to Daniel J HOLOHAN and Mary LEE, in Kilkenny City, County Kilkenny. (She was my ggrandmother) Other known children are Patrick, born 7 February 1847, sponsors were Thomas FORD and Mary LOUGHMAN Another Anastatia was born 21 January 1844, sponsors were John HOLOHAN and Ansty LEE. Mary was born 13 May 1842, sponsor listed was Michael HOLOHAN only. Johanna was born 24 October 1845 Daniel had a brother Denis, and most likely the above mentioned John and Michael were also brothers. The Ansty/Anastatia LEE mentioned is probably Mary's sister. All of the above mentioned births were at 10 Vicar Street, Kilkenny City, County Kilkenny. The church was St. Canice, where the above information was obtained. I should also mention that my ggrandmother Anastatia HOLOHAN immigrated (1860's) to the US and settled in New York City. She married Peter MCBRIDE of County Meath, who immigrated as a youngster. Anyone connected to this family would be awesome, and any leads would be appreciated. Thanks very much! Lori McBride-Nichols

To find out what kind of house it was- You can make a rough comparison in Griffiths by checking the value of your ancestors' house against others in the parish. Some will be valued at £10, others at 5/- That will give you an idea of where they were on the social scale- much like looking at rented property anywhere. For a fuller picture: the opening pages of each townland's census 1901 + 1911, give a very brief description of each dwelling in column form. They include whether walls built of stone,brick or wood; whether roofed with slate or thatch;number of rooms and number of windows. A combination of these factors gives a rating of 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th class house. Griffith's teams of surveyors kept notebooks as they took detailed descriptions and measurements of each townland and plot. They are variously known as FIELD, HOUSE AND PERAMBULATION books. Unfortunately, not all have survived. Those that have are held in Dublin, in the Valuation Office, I believe, rather than the National Archives. Obviously, they vary in what information they might contain. It is possible to contact the Valuation Office (_www.valoff.ie_ (http://www.valoff.ie) ) but they do charge for their services. Cathy PS. I have a little information on Ryan in Kilmaganny and surrounds.

Griffith's instruction manual lists the following: House - describes all buildings used permanently as dwellings, and all public buildings such as houses of worship, courthouses and schools etc. Office - includes factories, mills,shops and farmbuildings such as stable, turf shed, cow barn, corn shed, piggery. Garden- a small plot of land used to raise food, in either rural or urban setting.Not a flower bed. The Census instructions for 1911 form B2 describes which "out-offices" to be listed- those buildings intended for domestic or agricultural purposes, excluding "sanitary accommodation", conservatories, greenhouses, summerhouses. We would probably use the term "out-houses" rather than "out-offices". Cathy

> > FIELD, HOUSE AND > PERAMBULATION books. > > Unfortunately, not all have survived. Those that have are held in Dublin, in > the Valuation Office, I believe, rather than the National Archives. The house and field books are held at the National Archives, I reviewed some of them there in September. The house, field, tenure and quarto books have also been filmed by the Family History Library. Go to Search and click on Film number and put in 2262961. Click on Valuation and then on Film Notes, and you will see all they have. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Thank you! Is there a way to find out what type of house it was? -------Original Message------- From: Pat Connors Date: 1/21/2007 3:28:40 PM To: irl-kilkenny@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KILKENNY] Griffiths Valuation Question > > Kilmaganny and the property included a house, office and garden. What is > meant by the term "office"? Not much of a building from what I have read, could be just a shack, shed type of building, not an office as one would consider an office now. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com ====IRL-KILKENNY Mailing List==== Add/check your County Kilkenny surname at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Kilkenny/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KILKENNY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My ancestor's listing on Griffith's Valuation states that he rented in Kilmaganny and the property included a house, office and garden. What is meant by the term "office"? Thank you, Donna FOGARTY, HANRAHAN, KELLY, McELHATTON, RYAN