Hi Patty, There are no Campbell land owners in 1876 in either Kilkenny or Tipperary counties according to the book. You had to own 1 acre or more to be included in the list. Maryann Patty wrote: > > Maryann, > > Do you show any Daniel Campbell in that book. I am not sure if he owned land > or rented but thought it might be worth a shot. It also might be about 6 or > so years to late for my Kilkenny family. > > Patty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maryann Arnold" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:22 AM > Subject: Re: [KILKENNY] Fennelly > > > Pat, > > > > In the book "Irish Land Owners of 1876" in Tipperary County > > there is a Richard Fennelly, of Barnlough, Bansha who owned, > > 278 acres valued at 274 pounds 15 shillings. > > > > This is the only "Fennelly" entry for either Tipperary or > > KilKenny Counties. > > > > Maryann > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > Pat at [email protected] writes: > > > > > > << I am looking for the Fennelly family from the "Village of > Ballingtaggert" > > > in the "Town of Callar", 10 miles out of Kilkenny, District C. >> > > > > > > Pat, > > > > > > There is no Ballintaggart in Co. Kilkenny, but there is one just across > the > > > border into Co. Tipperary, Ballingarry civil parish. And this > Ballintaggart > > > townland is about 10 or 11 miles WSW of Kilkenny City. I would guess > that the > > > Callar mentioned is the town of Callan, in Co. Kilkenny. Although > Callan is > > > back in Kilkenny, it's less than 5 miles from Ballintaggart and may > somehow be > > > the location of some sort of a district which continues across the > border into > > > Tipp.. The PLU of Callan, for exampled, does extend into Tipperary and > > > includes the civil parish of Ballingarry. > > > > > > Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western > Massachusetts > > > > > > ==== IRL-KILKENNY Mailing List ==== > > > NETSCAPE questions or expertise???? > > > Join the Netscape mailing list for help or to give help... > > > mailto:[email protected] > > > Put "subscribe" (without quotes) in message and put nothing in the > subject. > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== IRL-KILKENNY Mailing List ==== > > NETSCAPE questions or expertise???? > > Join the Netscape mailing list for help or to give help... > > mailto:[email protected] > > Put "subscribe" (without quotes) in message and put nothing in the > subject. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== IRL-KILKENNY Mailing List ==== > New!! Irish-American Mailing List, great place for discussion of the > Irish American experience, you can join at: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/IRISH-AMERICAN.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Maryann, Do you show any Daniel Campbell in that book. I am not sure if he owned land or rented but thought it might be worth a shot. It also might be about 6 or so years to late for my Kilkenny family. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maryann Arnold" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [KILKENNY] Fennelly > Pat, > > In the book "Irish Land Owners of 1876" in Tipperary County > there is a Richard Fennelly, of Barnlough, Bansha who owned, > 278 acres valued at 274 pounds 15 shillings. > > This is the only "Fennelly" entry for either Tipperary or > KilKenny Counties. > > Maryann > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > Pat at [email protected] writes: > > > > << I am looking for the Fennelly family from the "Village of Ballingtaggert" > > in the "Town of Callar", 10 miles out of Kilkenny, District C. >> > > > > Pat, > > > > There is no Ballintaggart in Co. Kilkenny, but there is one just across the > > border into Co. Tipperary, Ballingarry civil parish. And this Ballintaggart > > townland is about 10 or 11 miles WSW of Kilkenny City. I would guess that the > > Callar mentioned is the town of Callan, in Co. Kilkenny. Although Callan is > > back in Kilkenny, it's less than 5 miles from Ballintaggart and may somehow be > > the location of some sort of a district which continues across the border into > > Tipp.. The PLU of Callan, for exampled, does extend into Tipperary and > > includes the civil parish of Ballingarry. > > > > Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts > > > > ==== IRL-KILKENNY Mailing List ==== > > NETSCAPE questions or expertise???? > > Join the Netscape mailing list for help or to give help... > > mailto:[email protected] > > Put "subscribe" (without quotes) in message and put nothing in the subject. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== IRL-KILKENNY Mailing List ==== > NETSCAPE questions or expertise???? > Join the Netscape mailing list for help or to give help... > mailto:[email protected] > Put "subscribe" (without quotes) in message and put nothing in the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Pat, In the book "Irish Land Owners of 1876" in Tipperary County there is a Richard Fennelly, of Barnlough, Bansha who owned, 278 acres valued at 274 pounds 15 shillings. This is the only "Fennelly" entry for either Tipperary or KilKenny Counties. Maryann [email protected] wrote: > > Pat at [email protected] writes: > > << I am looking for the Fennelly family from the "Village of Ballingtaggert" > in the "Town of Callar", 10 miles out of Kilkenny, District C. >> > > Pat, > > There is no Ballintaggart in Co. Kilkenny, but there is one just across the > border into Co. Tipperary, Ballingarry civil parish. And this Ballintaggart > townland is about 10 or 11 miles WSW of Kilkenny City. I would guess that the > Callar mentioned is the town of Callan, in Co. Kilkenny. Although Callan is > back in Kilkenny, it's less than 5 miles from Ballintaggart and may somehow be > the location of some sort of a district which continues across the border into > Tipp.. The PLU of Callan, for exampled, does extend into Tipperary and > includes the civil parish of Ballingarry. > > Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts > > ==== IRL-KILKENNY Mailing List ==== > NETSCAPE questions or expertise???? > Join the Netscape mailing list for help or to give help... > mailto:[email protected] > Put "subscribe" (without quotes) in message and put nothing in the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hackett Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WWC.2ACI/1573.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Michael Hackett came to US from Ireland in 1865 and married Margaret Dolan Sept. 11, 1867 in Jacksonville, Illinois. Do you know when John immigrated and from where? Michael Hackett is buried in a Jacksonville Cemetary. He died in 1899 at the age of 58. Refer messages to new e mail address.

I can understand that Richard. Do you know if there are any webistes for nuns and brothers in Ireland. Where one can search for any ancestors who may have been in the religous orders? Kaye www.bananatv.com/genealogy

Richard Did you eventually become a brother? Kaye www.bananatv.com/genealogy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Callanan"

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WWC.2ACI/3227 Message Board Post: I don't know if the Thomas Bryan you are looking for is the same.My great-great grandfather was Thomas Bryan. We have been unable to find when and how he came to australia.He had money,bought land and kept race horses, He married in 1842 Sophia Windsor he was 24 years old.Family stories have that he had two brothers. Family names are William and Thomas which have been used through the generations.There aren't many of us,and we were told through the years that we didn't have any relatives in Tasmania

I don't know of any websites of records but most religious orders have an archivist and their records generally are pretty thorough. But hurry - the religious orders are vanishing fast! The Christian Brothers have just announced they are leaving Thurles, Co. Tipperary, where they first set up a school in about 1805. It's the end of an era. Richard Callanan, London, England. -----Original Message----- From: kaye vernon [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23 November 2003 00:06 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KILKENNY] 40 years later... I can understand that Richard. Do you know if there are any webistes for nuns and brothers in Ireland. Where one can search for any ancestors who may have been in the religous orders? Kaye www.bananatv.com/genealogy ==== IRL-KILKENNY Mailing List ==== Do you have Irish ancestors who landed, lived or passed through NY State? Join a new list related to the history, culture and geneology of the Irish in NY mailto:[email protected]?body=subscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

No Kaye, I left after 20 months. I realised celibacy would be a problem for me! Richard -----Original Message----- From: kaye vernon [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 22 November 2003 23:14 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KILKENNY] 40 years later... Richard Did you eventually become a brother? Kaye www.bananatv.com/genealogy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Callanan" ==== IRL-KILKENNY Mailing List ==== To unsub from list, to search archives of list, or to change your type of subscription: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-KILKENNY.html ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I was eighteen at the time and a novice in a religious order in Ireland. There were about forty of us in this old house in the middle of the country. We were of course not allowed radio, television or newspapers and we lived by a rule of silence. The "great silence" was very strict and operated from the time of compline (last prayers) to after breakfast the next morning. I was on the breakfast serving rota and went into the kitchen to collect the porridge. One of the cooks, Brother Yates, was at the large central stove and looked up as I came in. "They've shot Kennedy," he said in his broad Dublin accent. "He's dead." The big shock was that the brother broke the rule of silence and Kennedy's death took a while to sink in. Of course I couldn't tell anyone else as I went about the usual business of serving breakfast in silence and then eating my own with the rest of the breakfast serving group. Brother Yates was sitting at the same table but his eyes were now downcast and demure as the rules decreed. After making our beds the first task of the day was "voice projection", an exercise to help develop preaching skills. We would go in groups of three (always three, twosomes were severely discouraged) into the wood to the side of the house and declaim in loud voices. Here we were allowed to use selected poetry books for practise. In my book I found Walt Whitman's poem "Oh Captain, my Captain" about the death of Lincoln. I gave my colleagues a dramatic performance including the lines: But O heart! heart! heart! O the bleeding drops of red, Where on the deck my Captain lies, Fallen cold and dead. Of course they had no idea what was in my mind until later that day when the Novice Master finally told us the news. Then my colleagues realised I must have known beforehand. But even in our permitted chatting times it was not considered proper to ask about it. Kennedy's death and the death of Pope John XXIII were the only events from the outside world that penetrated into the novitiate over those two years and the funerals were the only times we were allowed to watch that wonder television. Richard Callanan, London, England. -----Original Message----- From: Pat Connors [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 22 November 2003 05:38 To: [email protected] Subject: [KILKENNY] 40 years later... and it seems like only yesterday...I was lying on the couch, taking a much needed break, watching 'As the World Turns' (channel 2, NYC). Frank (6) was in Holy Family School and Danny (4), Timmy (3), Patty (17 mo) and Kevin (2 mo) were in bed for their daily afternoon nap. Suddenly, BULLETIN, came across the screen and Walter Cronkite announced that JFK had been shot in Dallas. The show then continued for awhile, when Cronkite came on the screen and announced that our beloved John Fitzgerald Kennedy was dead. I can't begin to tell you how empty my heart felt. I turned 21 the year Kennedy ran for president, at the time you had to be 21 to vote, and I voted for him in my first election. Both my mother and father in law, born in Ireland, became citizens and voted for him in their first election. Besides being a bright articulate president, he was the Irish American's symbol of finally overcoming the prejudice the Irish suffered in the USA, when they fled the Great Famine in Ireland, and as evidenced in signs like, "Irish Need Not Apply". It was the first time I saw so many people so sad and crying in public, whether in the grocery store or in church. Saturday and Monday, our church held special masses dedicated to JFK. There were so many attending each day that the overflowing crowd attended mass in the school auditorium. I remember the 24 hour television coverage, first time ever, with out advertisements. I remember John Jr. saluting. I remember Mrs. Kennedy walking behind the casket with the dark black veil. It was a long weekend. Forty years later, I still can't forget. My heart still aches. Any more memories? -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com Professional Genealogy Research All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton 2002 ==== IRL-KILKENNY Mailing List ==== AUSTRALIA in your family tree???? Join the Australia-GenWeb mailing list and get history and genealogical information. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUSTRALIA-GENWEB.html ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Pat at [email protected] writes: << I am looking for the Fennelly family from the "Village of Ballingtaggert" in the "Town of Callar", 10 miles out of Kilkenny, District C. >> Pat, There is no Ballintaggart in Co. Kilkenny, but there is one just across the border into Co. Tipperary, Ballingarry civil parish. And this Ballintaggart townland is about 10 or 11 miles WSW of Kilkenny City. I would guess that the Callar mentioned is the town of Callan, in Co. Kilkenny. Although Callan is back in Kilkenny, it's less than 5 miles from Ballintaggart and may somehow be the location of some sort of a district which continues across the border into Tipp.. The PLU of Callan, for exampled, does extend into Tipperary and includes the civil parish of Ballingarry. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

and it seems like only yesterday...I was lying on the couch, taking a much needed break, watching 'As the World Turns' (channel 2, NYC). Frank (6) was in Holy Family School and Danny (4), Timmy (3), Patty (17 mo) and Kevin (2 mo) were in bed for their daily afternoon nap. Suddenly, BULLETIN, came across the screen and Walter Cronkite announced that JFK had been shot in Dallas. The show then continued for awhile, when Cronkite came on the screen and announced that our beloved John Fitzgerald Kennedy was dead. I can't begin to tell you how empty my heart felt. I turned 21 the year Kennedy ran for president, at the time you had to be 21 to vote, and I voted for him in my first election. Both my mother and father in law, born in Ireland, became citizens and voted for him in their first election. Besides being a bright articulate president, he was the Irish American's symbol of finally overcoming the prejudice the Irish suffered in the USA, when they fled the Great Famine in Ireland, and as evidenced in signs like, "Irish Need Not Apply". It was the first time I saw so many people so sad and crying in public, whether in the grocery store or in church. Saturday and Monday, our church held special masses dedicated to JFK. There were so many attending each day that the overflowing crowd attended mass in the school auditorium. I remember the 24 hour television coverage, first time ever, with out advertisements. I remember John Jr. saluting. I remember Mrs. Kennedy walking behind the casket with the dark black veil. It was a long weekend. Forty years later, I still can't forget. My heart still aches. Any more memories? -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com Professional Genealogy Research All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton 2002

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WWC.2ACI/1254.1.1.1 Message Board Post: My grandfathers name was Tom Lake and he was a comedian/singer songwriter in England. My father was born out of wedlock in 1918 and his name was Ken Eyre. If you have any info on this name please let me know. Thanks

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WWC.2ACI/3225.1.1 Message Board Post: Eilis, Thank you for very much. I am grateful to have this information.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: donahue/moylan Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WWC.2ACI/999.1 Message Board Post: I have a john patrick donahue b1867 in Ireland and settled in providence, ri. Any connection?

Hi Cathy, It seems to me you are just starting out on this Great Adventure - I mean Irish research! It's not the easiest of areas but there are several things you can do before you need anyone else's help. Forgive me if I am saying things you already know but in this game it's best to assume nothing. The first thing I would do is check out your nearest Latter Day Saints (Mormon) Family History Center or Library. (Don't be frightened of them - they do not try to proselytise! I'm a card-carrying atheist beyond redemption and they are still extremely obliging!) I bashed "Latter Day Saints" and "Florida" into Google and found they had three Family History Centers there, in Miami, Rockledge and Gainesville. Give them a call before you visit and they will give you further guidance. Any LDS Center can order any of the hundreds of thousands of microfilms they have. They charge a small fee for each film (and I mean small). And it may take a little wait but it's a lot cheaper than a trip to Ireland! (And when you get to Ireland eventually you will be able to do more productive things - like enjoy the country.) On film they have the complete Index to Irish Civil Registration - an exceptional and invaluable aid to Irish research. If you order the films for 1879 and 1880 you can find the index references for your James Joseph Ryan in Kilkenny and with those you will be able to order full register content from Dublin by post. From his birth certificate you will discover his parents and a precise location and likely dates and so you go on, backwards from there. Researching Ryans is difficult because there are so many of them but with a bit of luck and depending on the accuracy of your current information on dates and location you should be able to limit the search and the number of full entries you need to order. (It's worth remembering that it is quite likely he is registered without his middle name. That was often an addition after immigration.) While you are waiting for the films (it usually takes about six weeks) you may want to learn a bit more. The LDS have a specially printed guide on Irish Research which is extremely cheap and very useful. Ask them for it. Then if you are going to spend any time on Irish research you need a book. Other list-members will make their own suggestions and some are written particularly from the point of view of starting in the USA but my recommendation is "Tracing your Irish Ancestors" by John Grenham, Second Edition. Its $20 from Amazon and well worth it. He is a former Irish government genealogist. So with all that you should be well on your way. [Now why did I get involved in writing such a long reply? You can guess that I am simply avoiding something else I should be doing but I won't bore you with that! Now I'll go do it!] Richard Callanan, London, England. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 18 November 2003 16:31 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KILKENNY] Ryan Family Hi Donna, My RYAN's came from both Kilkenny and Cork. My great-grandfather was James Joseph Ryan, born in 1880 in Kilkenny. He came to America (Boston) and settled south in the Bronx, NY where he married Johannah Mary Murphy of Cork, born in 1879. .... I could really use some help if I knew where to get it, and how to get started on it. I know most of the records are still over there in Ireland, but who to ask?? Thanks, Cathy in Tampa

Cathy, The James Ryan that Maryanne listed for 1876 owned 573 acres valued at £408 a year! Reckon one head of cattle per acre and you will see that he is some wealthy man! Does that seem likely? As you know, Ryans are very difficult to research but if you give us more information on dates and what locations you already have then someone on the list may be able to give you a gentle shove as you ask. By the way Foulkrath Castle is now a Youth Hostel (no longer limited to youth) - €13 Euro (15 US$) per night! Richard Callanan, London, England. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 18 November 2003 14:57 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KILKENNY] Re: Ryan Family Hi Maryanne, My RYAN's are from Graig-na-Manach, and my g-grandfather's name is James Joseph. Is there anything I can do to find out if it is he who is on your list? I have names and dates of his children, etc.. but I need a shove in the right direction. Thanks, Cathy in Tampa

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WWC.2ACI/465.1166.3.1.1 Message Board Post: Just noticed my typing error. Above message should read....Andrew Dwyer married Anastacia MURPHY.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WWC.2ACI/465.1166.3.1 Message Board Post: Hi Bill, I have just learned that my husband's great grandfather, Andrew Dwyer, married Anastacia Dwyer October 23, 1865 in the RC Chapel of Graigue in the Registrar's District of Graiguenamanagh in the Union of Thomastown in the County of Kilkenny, Ireland. I do not have an address for this church and am wondering if you would happen to have one?