This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WWC.2ACI/2353.1.1.1.2.3 Message Board Post: Father ; Horace Ravenall-died 23-4-67 Belonged to large family, but grew up with aunt i think Grandfather believed to be either Arthur or William does anyone know any information. Horace had 2 children boy and girl.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WWC.2ACI/3237.9.1 Message Board Post: Tom, I was surprised to find several Luke Murphys and two of them are about the right age. ================= The ship ENTERPRISE arrived at NY from Liverpool on October 3, 1849. Aboard were; MURPHY Luke (32) Catherine (30) Catherine (5-Died at Sea) Phillip (4) Thomas (2) John (.00-Infant) ================== The ship PATRICK HENRY arrived at NY from Liverpool on April 5, 1847. Aboard were; MURPHY Luke (30) Unkn (24-Wife) Mary (2-Daughter) =================== The second one looks real good. The wife name is unknown but the daughter's name is Mary. Al O'Brien

Over the weekend, I attended GenTech, a national (US) genealogy conference for professional and amatuer genealogists. One session I attended was about Irish research, titled " Digitisation of Irish Records: The Current State of Play." The speaker was Brian Donovan of Eneclann, Ltd. I thought I would post about the lecture, as many people should find it helpful and interesting. I will post from my notes. I had to write fast and I did have some difficulty in understanding Brian with his Irish accent. I certainly could have made mistakes. However, you can order a tape of his lecture from Repeat Performance, www.audiotapes.com. Please don't email me to ask questions. I probably can't answer them. For more information, do a search or go to the eneclann.ie website. I do not have any connection with any of these websites, businesses or entities. I guess you could call this my "giving back." I have been very lucky in my Irish research. Brian first gave us some background information on genealogy research in Ireland, particular to digitisation. First of all, it's a slow process. This is because not many people in Ireland are involved with genealogy. Second, there is a lack of interest due to the Irish being more concerned with house and property research as opposed to genealogical research. The third is, "inadequate state funding." In the 1980s and 1990s, the Irish government provided monies to train people in computer skills. The money wasn't really for genealogy, which is a business. It was for computer training. In Ireland, they don't know how to turn genealogy into a business. But Brian knows! LOL. At the time of this funding and training, people needed jobs. Today, Ireland has a low unemployment rate. The original goal, was to make 26 million records available. Only 17 million records were available by 2003. The fourth reason, is the destruction of records and we all know about that! Brian then told us about the digitazation projects that have been completed or are ongoing. He provided us with a list of websites as he explained. Irish Genealogical Project www.irishgenealogy.ie These are the Heritage Centers. They have parish registers, civil records, Griffiths, Tithes and census record databases. General Register Office www.goireland.ie The GRO has the civil registers. The GRO relocated to County Roscommon to provide full time jobs. They started to work on the printed indexes, then stopped the project in 2001. I think there were some problems but I did not catch the whole story. I think they are now trying to work on a web based pay per view, with 2005 as their target date. However, I would not hold my breath on that. National Archives www.nationalarchives.ie Together, the NA of Ireland and PRONI (Northern Ireland) are working on a digitization program of the 1901 and 1911 censuses. There is no time frame for this right now, so don't hold your breath on this one either. Late last year, the National Archives and Eneclann put out a new CD-Rom, called "Counties in Time." It gives a history of the counties and samples of documents that are available for research. If you go to the Eneclann website, you will find more information. National Library www.irishorigins.com Yes I know this is not the website for the National Library of Ireland, but they are working with Irish Origins on the definitive verision of Griffiths Valuation. Valuation Office Records www.valoff.ie A new project by the Valuation Office and Eneclann will digitize the Cancelled Volumes from 1850 to 1920 and the Griffiths Maps, both the 6 inch and the town plans. This will take years and is a very expensive project. You can also check out PRONI and the Wills Project, www.proni.gov.uk; the Irish Wills Project, www.eneclann.ie/publications-3.asp; and the Memorial Inscriptions Project, www.eneclann.ie/publications-6.asp Brian also gave us a list of future digitization plans: Irish Ancestor Journal British Immigration Records 1858-1870 Memorials of the Dead - Wexford and Wicklow Calendars of Wills and Administrations 1858-1922 Catholic Qualification Rolls 1775-1801 Loyalist Petition 1848 Petition for Repeal of Union 1848 Freeholders and Voters Lists 1727-1832 Militia and Yeomanny Records 1750-1850 Irish Jewish Records 1820-1960 Brian went on to say that there are lots of Irish records but there are very few indexes. He said that what is being digitized has already been published or indexed. He said we should utilize the Registry of Deeds, www.landregistry.ie. He also said the National Archives has lots of information but with out indexes or finding aids, there are many records that go ignored by genealogists. He provided a list of records that are not researched much. Valuation Office Field and Home Books 1838 Outrage Reports 1835-1852 - letters written to Dublin Castle. These are organized by county. Relief Commission Papers 1845-1847 -- these are about the famine Convict Reference Files - 1836-1922 Petty Sessions -- This is the lowest level of the courts in Ireland. Chancery Bills Fenian Files and Photographs 1862-1870 The session lasted an hour with a short period of time for questions. I was able to ask one. I mentioned that I had been reading about some of the heritage centers closing and asked if this had something to do with the government funding. The answer is yes. Brian said that the Irish government provided 25 million for computer training. The money was not spent on genealogy. But the government thought they would make money on genealogy. (The heritage centers were started by volunteers. I do not know who runs them now.) The government has given up funding the heritage centers. So, some are closing. Brian suggested people write to the Irish government and tell them we have money to spend on genealogy and that we want records to be made available. He said to contact the Irish Prime Minister and he gave his name and address! I did not get it all down, but if you do a search, I'm sure you will find it. He also suggested we write our own political representatives. In a nutshell, genealogy is a business. Some have figured that out, some haven't. There are those who still think that genealogy is free, but when you consider the time spent on research, the photocopies, the transcribing, the indexing, etc., you can surely see that there is alot involved. If we want something, we are going to have to work/pay for it. Irish records are no exception. This doesn't mean you shouldn't volunteer for anything, in fact, Brian commented that we genealogists can help. I think it's great that there are products to buy. Obviously, Brian is making a living. He has a genealogy business. Many of the speakers at the conference make a living out of genealogy, through writing books, public speaking, teaching classes and digitizing records. Obviously, genealogy has come a long way. Digitization is the big thing now, but look at what we have available to us today. You have my permission to forward my post to other Irish email lists. I subscribe to quite a few and will send out my post to them today. Again, I ask you to please not email me with questions. Go to the Eneclann site, do a search or visit the other URLs I gave you. I'm sure I have missed some information. Go seek and you shall find more. One more thing, I asked Brian, while I was browsing at his vendor table, how to find the papers for the Earl of Bessborough. He was a land owner in County Carlow. Brian said that most estate papers are in England, so if you are looking for information on an English land owner, check the National Archives of England and the Historical Manuscripts Commission site or perhaps the private papers of the National Library in Ireland. www.nationalarchives.gov. uk/ Debbie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WWC.2ACI/3223.1 Message Board Post: You may want to consider pulling up the Kilkenny City phone book and calling some Murphy's to see if you can find someone to help. It is very inexpensive to call, about 7 cents per minute. Good luck! Tom

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WWC.2ACI/3266 Message Board Post: Seeking the list of names of the deceased buried at the cemetery either known as Kylebeg or "Kyle" near Gowran. Thank you, Tom Murphy [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WWC.2ACI/3237.9 Message Board Post: Al, thank you for you offer. Luke Murphy born about 1817 came from Kilkenny County abt 1845. He may have come with Mary Murphy, wife, born abt 1820. I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks again, Tom

My grandfather,GEORGE WHITMORE CARR (1851 - 1921) married EMILY SMITHERS ( 1854 - 1930 ) in 1873 in Brooklyn , NY ( He was born in Dublin)George was 1 of several children of WILLIAM PATRICK CARR (1821 - 1861 ) - born Kilkenny, died ___, who married ELIZABETH ARTHUR FRENCH in 1848 in Antrim. Elizabeth was born in Antrim abt 1827, died 1898 at ___. WILLIAM'S father was Rev.GEORGE WHITMORE CARR ( 1779 - 1849 ) who married CHARLOTTE SHAW (1785 - 1848 ), born at Sandpits, Co. Kilkenny. REV. GEORGE was born at NEW ROSS, CO. WEXFORD. Rev. George's father was Rev. EDWARD CARR , born in Dublin, died 1815 in New Ross, married SARAH FORSTER in 1773. Sarah was born abt 1752 in Co. Kilkenny, died 1837. Her father was GEORGE FORSTER. Info on ELIZABETH FRENCH : I think her father was JOHN FRENCH born in IR, died 1836 in New ROSS, married ANNE LANG HAWTHORNE ( abt 1761 -1831) who died in NEW ROSS. I have a photo of with information on back. Someone was certainly helpful ! I have a little more info on some of these ancestors, but am searching for more. THANK YOU . Patricia CARR McDonald [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WWC.2ACI/3254.1 Message Board Post: i know of one regiment that was posted in kilkenny for a while and that was the 24 welsh regiment of foot now knowned as the welsh borderers it was the unit that was inveled in the kafir and zulu wars

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lawson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WWC.2ACI/3265 Message Board Post: Has anyone information on Samuel Lawson, born 1791 Co Kilkenny?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: SMYTH, SPARKHALL, WILLIS, HUMPHREY, DEARING, SHERK, HERSHEY, LONDRY, GOULD, DOAN, SPENCER, FOREMAN, HUCKLE, BROWN, CLARK, LUCK, STILLWELL, NEAR Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WWC.2ACI/3237.8.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks a lot, Al. We have to try all angles and I know that some Immigrants came to Canada via the US. The search contunues!!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WWC.2ACI/3237.8.1 Message Board Post: Dawn, The possibility of finding your Dearings among the 675,000 Irish listed was remote because your family went to Canada. All of the Irish in the seven volumes landed at New York in the United States. However, I did look for them just in case. Also, I looked through the Immigrant Ships Transcibers Guild site without any luck. Sorry, Al O'Brien

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: SMYTH, SPARKHALL, WILLIS, HUMPHREY, DEARING, SHERK, HERSHEY, LONDRY, GOULD, DOAN, SPENCER, FOREMAN, HUCKLE, BROWN, CLARK, LUCK, STILLWELL, NEAR Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WWC.2ACI/3237.8 Message Board Post: Hi Al, I just found your posting re the look up in The Famine Immigrants. What a wonderful gesture! I am searching for Edward "Gilbert" DEARING b. 1796 and his wife Eliza GLEESON b. 1816. We know that they came to Canada between the birth of my g-grandfather and his next sibling which would make it between 1846 and 1853. Judging from stories, we think that my g-gramps was a small child of perhaps 2 to 5 years when they came out here making it between 1848 and 1853. The children accompanying them would be, in order of age, Mary Ann -1838, Robert - abt 1843, and Edward -1 Dec 1846. Two more children were born here, we believe. They were William Hugh- 1853and John- 1856. We think that they were always farmers. They were from county Armagh in Ireland. Any help that you can provide would be deeply appreciated.

Hi list, I am, searching for the place of birth & the ancestry of Thomas McENTAGGART. He was b. bet 1816-1820 in Ireland. Naturalization Record: McTAGGERT Thomas  1852 wit: Daniel MURPHY & Patrick QUINN Name: Thomas McTAGGART Birth place: Ireland Age: 26 Whence emigrated: Liverpool Place of intended: Reading, Berks Co., PA Mar 1845-6 -- entered the USA at the Port of New York from Ireland Marriage Record: Thomas McENTIGART m. Brigitta NORTON 26 Nov 1848 wit: Jacob CASSIDY & Elizabeth NORTON St. Peter's Catholic Chr., Reading, Berks Co., PA NOTE: Bridget was b. in Parish Kilmore, Co. Roscommon. Please e-mail me directly. Thank you for any help you can give me! :) Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS) [email protected] P.S. McENTAGGART - TAGGART - MELLERICK - McINTYRE & other variants.

Hi list, I'm searching for the place of birth & the ancestry of my Mary E. MAYNES - MANES - McMANUS. She was b. bet 1826-1834 in Ireland. I'm, also, searching for the place of birth & the ancestry of her husband Patrick TUTHILL - TUTTLE. He was b. bet 1813-1825 in Northern Ireland. Patrick's immigration to the USA: 1 Apr 1850 Name of Vessel: Bark WENHAM Port of Embarkation: Liverpool Date of Arrival: April 1, 1850 Port of Entry: Port of Baltimore, MD TUTTHILL, Patrick age 28 male laborer Ireland Baltimore Note: Also, listed is a Terrance MANE & Family. This maybe his future father-in-law! Pat m. 28 Oct 1851 -- Mary MANES (MAYNES - McMANUS), at St. Vincent de Paul Church, Baltimore City, MD. Fr. John Francis HICKEY wit: John MURPHY & Ann MANES. Please e-mail me directly. Thank you for any help you can give me! :) Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS) P.S. TUTTLE - TUTHILL - TWOHILL - TOOHILL - TOTEHYLL - TOTHILL - TOUHILL - TURTLE - FUTTLE

Hi list, Is anyone researching the following immigrants who were b. in Co. Kilkenny, Ireland & migrated to the USA before 1860? There are (5) Naturalization Records in Delaware Co., Pennsylvania (PA) for the following persons b. in Co. Kilkenny: CARROLL, William KELLY, John NOLIN, Patrick O’BRIEN, (O’BRYEN) Nicholas RYAN, Thomas Please contact me directly if you are interested in any of these immigrants who's names appear here. I will do a lookup for you in the Naturalization index records of Delaware Co., PA for these names only! Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS) [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Whalan/Whelan/Doolan/Connolly Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WWC.2ACI/3264 Message Board Post: Looking for information on Patrick Whelan/Whalan born Kilkenny,1833. Arrived Australia in about 1851.He married Julia Connolly in 1862 in Tenterfield, Australia.Parents are John Patrick Whalan and Mary Doolan.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WWC.2ACI/2872.2 Message Board Post: G'day! This is perhaps not of interest to you BUT My ancestor Matthew Mulrooney married a Mary Shearman one of their children Michael Mulrooney was born 1832 at Kilkenny Ireland. Perhaps there could be a link ie : sister/cousin? Anyway, just either adding to your confusion or adding another puzzle piece for you - Bye! Kim Mulrooney

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WWC.2ACI/1918.2317.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Joyce Would be interested to find that your ancestor WAS John Baldwin. Then we would have an additional set of folks to look together for their parents, etc. Happy hunting. Charles B

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Baldwin Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WWC.2ACI/1918.2317.1.1 Message Board Post: Charles, Thank you for reply. When you have hit a brick wall like I have, you just keep plunking away in all directions until you find the right spot. I am glad you have been sucessful in your documentations. The farther back you get the harder it is to find the documentation. Good luck in your future diggings. Thanks again for responding. Joyce

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WWC.2ACI/1918.2316.2434.2613.1.1.3.3 Message Board Post: I tried looking for the post but the server must be acting up for me. I also tried to send a response to you but it didn't work either. I heard that he may have also come from England. But I have heard from family members that he was born there.