Kevin- This is a long shot, but I remember my Mother talking about her friend named "Dorothy Kerwin" who lived int the New York area ( perhaps Brooklyn) in the early 1940s. Dot had a son named Jimmy and I believe another son named Kevin. My mother was Kathleen O'Connor. Just wondering if its the same family. -------------- Original message from "Kevin Kerwin" : -------------- > I am afraid it is pretty true. Much of my Irish research has been from > before 1843, and with the exception of local church records, convict > transportation lists, the Tithe List, the Rebellion Papers, some Wills, and > the grave transcriptions in the county genealogy centers, there is little > else unless you happen to be descended from nobility. I guess with the > exception of births and marriages, you had to interact with the government > in some way to get documented, and with a large percentage who couldn't read > or write, that didn't happen unless they were arrested. Also part of the > reason is that mostly only the nobility owned land, and only land owners > could vote; the Guilds controlled the trades, at least in the large cities, > and unless you lived in large city there was little need for a directory. It > makes for very interesting detective work, though...and I've also learned a > lot about why the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights say what they do, > and why we have specific rights granted that our forefathers did not enjoy. > > Cheers, Kevin Kerwin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Jost-Shouse" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 3:04 PM > Subject: [Irl-Kildare] Research in County Kildare pre-1849 > > > > I am researching the Holton and Welsh families and have been told that it > > is very hard to find anything pre-1849, when my Holton's immigrated. I was > > just wondering if others on the list had been able to research back > further > > or if that's true. > > > > > > > > Kathy > > Florida > > http://terri9.home.mindspring.com/Jost/Jostindex.htm > > Researching: Jost, Petry, Peter, Freunscht, Koob, Moller, Schroeder, Urban > > Holton, Welsh, Springsteel, Stinson, Hard, Whelan > > Graham, White/Whyte, Robertson, Earston > > Johnson, Stevens, Glen, Mabie/Mabee, Peek, Sanders, Van Dyke, Van Eps, Van > > Patten, Van Slyke, Van Vorst, Wendel > > Davis, Folts, Lott, Sutphin, Lapdon > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Nope-we're from St. Louis since 1849. I think everyone went through New York but didn't stay. Thanks anyway. Cheers, Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Irl-Kildare] Research in County Kildare pre-1849 > Kevin- This is a long shot, but I remember my Mother talking about her friend named "Dorothy Kerwin" who lived int the New York area ( perhaps Brooklyn) in the early 1940s. Dot had a son named Jimmy and I believe another son named Kevin. My mother was Kathleen O'Connor. Just wondering if its the same family. > > -------------- Original message from "Kevin Kerwin" : -------------- > > > I am afraid it is pretty true. Much of my Irish research has been from > > before 1843, and with the exception of local church records, convict > > transportation lists, the Tithe List, the Rebellion Papers, some Wills, and > > the grave transcriptions in the county genealogy centers, there is little > > else unless you happen to be descended from nobility. I guess with the > > exception of births and marriages, you had to interact with the government > > in some way to get documented, and with a large percentage who couldn't read > > or write, that didn't happen unless they were arrested. Also part of the > > reason is that mostly only the nobility owned land, and only land owners > > could vote; the Guilds controlled the trades, at least in the large cities, > > and unless you lived in large city there was little need for a directory. It > > makes for very interesting detective work, though...and I've also learned a > > lot about why the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights say what they do, > > and why we have specific rights granted that our forefathers did not enjoy. > > > > Cheers, Kevin Kerwin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kathy Jost-Shouse" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 3:04 PM > > Subject: [Irl-Kildare] Research in County Kildare pre-1849 > > > > > > > I am researching the Holton and Welsh families and have been told that it > > > is very hard to find anything pre-1849, when my Holton's immigrated. I was > > > just wondering if others on the list had been able to research back > > further > > > or if that's true. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kathy > > > Florida > > > http://terri9.home.mindspring.com/Jost/Jostindex.htm > > > Researching: Jost, Petry, Peter, Freunscht, Koob, Moller, Schroeder, Urban > > > Holton, Welsh, Springsteel, Stinson, Hard, Whelan > > > Graham, White/Whyte, Robertson, Earston > > > Johnson, Stevens, Glen, Mabie/Mabee, Peek, Sanders, Van Dyke, Van Eps, Van > > > Patten, Van Slyke, Van Vorst, Wendel > > > Davis, Folts, Lott, Sutphin, Lapdon > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >