This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: chuftier Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.kid.general/2313.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Helen, you have an interesting problem. I would go back to your grandfather's marriage and get a cert. When he got married, especially being Irish living in England he would have had to produce a baptism cert or birth cert. The name given then is more likely to be is legal one (though he could also have fabricate documents if he was really motivated) He could have found out when getting a birth cert or baptism cert that his father was not who he thought, which happened quite a lot in good old catholic Ireland. single mothers were so shamed that many devices were invented. I came across a few cases in my professional career. With the marriage cert, and the father's name confirmed, you can proceed and get a birth cert for him. Are you sure he was from Kildare? or is it just because you found the family on the Census? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.