Melissa Tenant records apply to estates I do not know what estates were in Kildare but imagine their would have been one, Ships records for people actually leaving Ireland unless they took a direct route from the Port to their destination do not exist, meaning those who crossed to England from Ireland to sail to the states or elsewhere, were not recorded as leaving Ireland ( much like getting a bus ticket) they took mail boats etc, and sometimes they were human ballast on ships, returning to another place after bringing something to Ireland. Constabulary was known as RIC to begin with and yes I imagine that there are records for those folk District court records are listed as assizes mainly Mortality - death records were very slow in being kept and all of those were really subject to parish registers, but I am sure you will find headstones to your advantage on Interment pages, does the new LDS PILOT page hold the marriage you seek for the Smullen name I dont know what era that covers. But in as much as all these records exists they are not online as readily as one desires, there are snips everywhere but not all are on the internet. Tithe records show people paying tithes then followed by the Griffiths which is readily available on line but I cant give you the web sites for Griffiths but imagine a google would locate that for you . It is a hard road you are travelling, but one you will find interesting as long as you dont fold at your first wall. Dont give up, thats my motto, Wills are another thing you have not listed. I am guessing your family were of farming stock by the things you have asked about. I have a James Smullen born 1817 in Co Wicklow who married a Bridget Byrne born c 1820 who have 11 children n Wicklow town but they are not from kildare ............ what do you think? Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: <MyRootz2@aol.com> To: <irl-kildare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 4:38 PM Subject: [IRL-KILDARE] Earlier Kildare records >I am fairly new to Irish research and just as I get a tidbit I think will > lead me to my goal it falls flat. > Are there any other records perhaps prior to 1830 besides church records? > Are there written tax or tenant records? Are there any district court > records, constable records, mortality records, ship records, agricultural > records anything which might help find my Smullen family? > > I have found children in Monasterevin Parish. but cannot locate a marriage > record for the parents. > > I am grateful to any ideas and links. > > > Melissa > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.408 / Virus Database: 270.13.93/2365 - Release Date: 09/12/09 06:37:00

here is the link for Griffiths Valuation online: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearch On 9/26/09, Cara_Links <cracker@hotkey.net.au> wrote: > Melissa > > Tenant records apply to estates I do not know what estates were in Kildare > but imagine their would have been one,........ > Tithe records show people paying tithes then followed by the Griffiths > which is readily available on line > but I cant give you the web sites for Griffiths but imagine a google would > locate that for you . > Cara -- Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan in Kildare

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What time frame are these films for ? and what is the other headings of the columns holding names etc and are they Civil Registrations or Parish registers? P would not relate to payment . And before I get jumped on monies were never mentioned in parish registers of Ireland and I have transcribed many. Cara P are you sure it is a P and not some other letter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annette Watson" <annete@aapt.net.au> To: <irl-kildare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KILDARE] IRL-KILDARE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 > Hi Dale, thankyou for your interest - the P is after every entry so I > don't > think it would be Protestant - > > happy hunting > Annette in Lismore > > At 10:14 PM 21/09/2009 +1000, you wrote: > >>Could it be "Protestant?" >> >>Dale in Oz >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Annette Watson" <annete@aapt.net.au> >>To: <irl-kildare@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:21 AM >>Subject: Re: [IRL-KILDARE] IRL-KILDARE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 >> >> >> > Hi Colette, no, none of the surnames mentioned after the P are >> > surnames >> > of the bride or groom, >> > >> > I'll keep looking, >> > >> > happy hunting >> > Annette >> > >> > At 01:26 PM 20/09/2009 +0000, you wrote: >> > >> > >> >>Hi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I would have thought the P stood for PARENTS, but obviously you would >> >>know >> >>that from their names? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Anyway, good luck! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Colette >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > From: irl-kildare-request@rootsweb.com >> >> > Subject: IRL-KILDARE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 >> >> > To: irl-kildare@rootsweb.com >> >> > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:00:37 -0600 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Today's Topics: >> >> > >> >> > 1. Re: Parish of Clane, Kildare (Annette Watson) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > >> >> > Message: 1 >> >> > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:29:34 +1000 >> >> > From: Annette Watson <annete@aapt.net.au> >> >> > Subject: Re: [IRL-KILDARE] Parish of Clane, Kildare >> >> > To: irl-kildare@rootsweb.com >> >> > Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.1.20090919092818.01632e10@mail.aapt.net.au> >> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Hi Jennette, thankyou for your reply. I have only just started to >> >> > view >> >> > Irish films so am still learning - I did not realise that they need >> >> > to >> >> > pay >> >> > a pound, will have to do some more reading, >> >> > >> >> > happy hunting >> >> > Annette WATSON >> >> > Lismore 2480 >> >> > At 08:59 AM 18/09/2009 +1000, you wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >Hi >> >> > >I had the film number 0926115 item 2 which covers >> >> > > >> >> > >The Catholic parish of Kill contains the civil parishes of >> >> > >Bodenstown, >> >> > >Forenaghts, Haynestown, Johnstown, Kerdiffstown, Kill, Oughterard, >> >> > >Sherlockstown, and Whitechurch. >> >> > > >> >> > >I know it gave the couples names the other two names are the >> >> > >wittnesses. >> >> > >I think the P maybe for the parish or they paid a pound for the >> >> > >marriage? >> >> > > >> >> > >Jennette Gest >> >> > >nee Byrne >> >> > >QLD AUS >> >> > >jgest@tpg.com.au >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Hi everyone, I have been looking at an LDS film of the above >> >> > > > parish >> >> > > > for FULLER/FULLERTON/FULLARD/DUNNE - I have found that the >> >> > > > marriage entries have the bride & grooms names and then the >> >> > > > letter >> >> > > > P >> >> > > > before nameing two other people on each entry - can anyone tell >> >> > > > what the P means - I think it could be the witnesses but why P. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Many thanks >> >> > > > >> >> > > > happy hunting >> >> > > > Annette WATSON >> >> > > > Lismore >> >> > > > Australia >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > ------------------------------- >> >> > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> > > > IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >> without the >> >> > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >------------------------------- >> >> > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> > >IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >> > >without >> >> > >the >> >> > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------ >> >> > >> >> > To contact the IRL-KILDARE list administrator, send an email to >> >> > IRL-KILDARE-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> > >> >> > To post a message to the IRL-KILDARE mailing list, send an email to >> >> IRL-KILDARE@rootsweb.com. >> >> > >> >> > __________________________________________________________ >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com >> >> > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and >> >> > the >> >> body of the >> >> > email with no additional text. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > End of IRL-KILDARE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 >> >> > ****************************************** >> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >> >>Get 30 Free Emoticons for your Windows Live Messenger >> >>http://www.livemessenger-emoticons.com/funfamily/en-ie/ >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >> >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >>the >> >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. 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Hi Annette, I think you and I have corresponded before! :) I thought I had the answer as I recalled SCULLY'S census of DUNNES in Timolin in 1840 had the following "legend" x or x1 ......under 8 years of age in 1840 b.......illegitimate and entered in 1840 a or a1 .....emigrated to America between 1840 and 1849 g.........gone from the district between 1840 and 1849 d or d1.........died between 1840 and 1849 m..........got married between 1840 and 1849 - ..........left home or got married between 1840 and 1849 but there's not a lot of help there, unfortunately. SP for sponsers would probably be your best bet. Maybe the S was omitted for some reason? Dale Airlie Beach ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annette Watson" <annete@aapt.net.au> To: <irl-kildare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KILDARE] IRL-KILDARE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 > Hi Dale, thankyou for your interest - the P is after every entry so I > don't > think it would be Protestant - > > happy hunting > Annette in Lismore > > At 10:14 PM 21/09/2009 +1000, you wrote: > >>Could it be "Protestant?" >> >>Dale in Oz >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Annette Watson" <annete@aapt.net.au> >>To: <irl-kildare@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:21 AM >>Subject: Re: [IRL-KILDARE] IRL-KILDARE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 >> >> >> > Hi Colette, no, none of the surnames mentioned after the P are >> > surnames >> > of the bride or groom, >> > >> > I'll keep looking, >> > >> > happy hunting >> > Annette >> > >> > At 01:26 PM 20/09/2009 +0000, you wrote: >> > >> > >> >>Hi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I would have thought the P stood for PARENTS, but obviously you would >> >>know >> >>that from their names? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Anyway, good luck! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Colette >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > From: irl-kildare-request@rootsweb.com >> >> > Subject: IRL-KILDARE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 >> >> > To: irl-kildare@rootsweb.com >> >> > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:00:37 -0600 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Today's Topics: >> >> > >> >> > 1. Re: Parish of Clane, Kildare (Annette Watson) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > >> >> > Message: 1 >> >> > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:29:34 +1000 >> >> > From: Annette Watson <annete@aapt.net.au> >> >> > Subject: Re: [IRL-KILDARE] Parish of Clane, Kildare >> >> > To: irl-kildare@rootsweb.com >> >> > Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.1.20090919092818.01632e10@mail.aapt.net.au> >> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Hi Jennette, thankyou for your reply. I have only just started to >> >> > view >> >> > Irish films so am still learning - I did not realise that they need >> >> > to >> >> > pay >> >> > a pound, will have to do some more reading, >> >> > >> >> > happy hunting >> >> > Annette WATSON >> >> > Lismore 2480 >> >> > At 08:59 AM 18/09/2009 +1000, you wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >Hi >> >> > >I had the film number 0926115 item 2 which covers >> >> > > >> >> > >The Catholic parish of Kill contains the civil parishes of >> >> > >Bodenstown, >> >> > >Forenaghts, Haynestown, Johnstown, Kerdiffstown, Kill, Oughterard, >> >> > >Sherlockstown, and Whitechurch. >> >> > > >> >> > >I know it gave the couples names the other two names are the >> >> > >wittnesses. >> >> > >I think the P maybe for the parish or they paid a pound for the >> >> > >marriage? >> >> > > >> >> > >Jennette Gest >> >> > >nee Byrne >> >> > >QLD AUS >> >> > >jgest@tpg.com.au >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Hi everyone, I have been looking at an LDS film of the above >> >> > > > parish >> >> > > > for FULLER/FULLERTON/FULLARD/DUNNE - I have found that the >> >> > > > marriage entries have the bride & grooms names and then the >> >> > > > letter >> >> > > > P >> >> > > > before nameing two other people on each entry - can anyone tell >> >> > > > what the P means - I think it could be the witnesses but why P. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Many thanks >> >> > > > >> >> > > > happy hunting >> >> > > > Annette WATSON >> >> > > > Lismore >> >> > > > Australia >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > ------------------------------- >> >> > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> > > > IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >> without the >> >> > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >------------------------------- >> >> > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> > >IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >> > >without >> >> > >the >> >> > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------ >> >> > >> >> > To contact the IRL-KILDARE list administrator, send an email to >> >> > IRL-KILDARE-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> > >> >> > To post a message to the IRL-KILDARE mailing list, send an email to >> >> IRL-KILDARE@rootsweb.com. >> >> > >> >> > __________________________________________________________ >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com >> >> > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and >> >> > the >> >> body of the >> >> > email with no additional text. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > End of IRL-KILDARE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 >> >> > ****************************************** >> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >> >>Get 30 Free Emoticons for your Windows Live Messenger >> >>http://www.livemessenger-emoticons.com/funfamily/en-ie/ >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >> >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >>the >> >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Meg, thankyou so much for your input. The letter P is on the marriage records not baptisms. The letter is clearly written as P - I have asked some well informed Irish Researchers at our local LDS FHC but they have not seen it before, although they had seen PP written as in Parish Priest. I have checked the meaning of patrini and found the following pater patris : father. patria : fatherland, one's native country, homeland patricius : a nobleman I have also googled and not found anyword which would be appropriate. Happy hunting Annette At 08:50 PM 20/09/2009 -0500, you wrote: >Annette - are you positive the letter is a very clearly written P ? >I've seen the term Sponsors abbreviated as Sp with the S written in >the old style. Such a letter looks like a letter f that extends >below the line and is stretched out. Another way is to imagine a letter > S uncurled and pulled into an amost straight line. Written closely >together with a lower case p , it can look a lot like a P that has >a very long backbone. I also have seen the word Sponsors abbreviated >SS and Ss but that would obviously not be anything like a single >letter P . Might this be the case here ? > >I Googled for a phrase likely to get me some ideas on this letter P >and found some good explanations of Catholic entries but nothing yet on >the letter P . > >http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/roots/irish/irishrecords/romancatholic.htm > > >Many of the Google hits described Sponsors as being very much like >Godparents. AH !!! Maybe this is it ??? Another Google hit shows an >entry in a very short list of Abbreviations for Catholic Church Records >in a book called IRISH CHURCH RECORDS first published 1992 by Ryan G. >James, it shows : > > PATRINI -"a term occasionally used for Sponsors". > >Use this Tiny URL as the original Google link for the page is 256 >characters long : >http://tinyurl.com/ml9yax > >This URL should take you to page 122 of a document that lists the term >Patrini as I quoted above. Nothing more is described, but you can view >the page if you wish. Might this P [if its clearly a P ] be for >Patrini ???? Well, it fits nicely .... Comments welcomed. Meg >Greenwood / Oklahoma USA >======================= >Google is my friend... >--------------------------------------------- > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hi Dale, thankyou for your interest - the P is after every entry so I don't think it would be Protestant - happy hunting Annette in Lismore At 10:14 PM 21/09/2009 +1000, you wrote: >Could it be "Protestant?" > >Dale in Oz >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Annette Watson" <annete@aapt.net.au> >To: <irl-kildare@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:21 AM >Subject: Re: [IRL-KILDARE] IRL-KILDARE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 > > > > Hi Colette, no, none of the surnames mentioned after the P are surnames > > of the bride or groom, > > > > I'll keep looking, > > > > happy hunting > > Annette > > > > At 01:26 PM 20/09/2009 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > >>Hi > >> > >> > >> > >>I would have thought the P stood for PARENTS, but obviously you would know > >>that from their names? > >> > >> > >> > >>Anyway, good luck! > >> > >> > >> > >>Colette > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: irl-kildare-request@rootsweb.com > >> > Subject: IRL-KILDARE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 > >> > To: irl-kildare@rootsweb.com > >> > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:00:37 -0600 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Today's Topics: > >> > > >> > 1. Re: Parish of Clane, Kildare (Annette Watson) > >> > > >> > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > >> > Message: 1 > >> > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:29:34 +1000 > >> > From: Annette Watson <annete@aapt.net.au> > >> > Subject: Re: [IRL-KILDARE] Parish of Clane, Kildare > >> > To: irl-kildare@rootsweb.com > >> > Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.1.20090919092818.01632e10@mail.aapt.net.au> > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi Jennette, thankyou for your reply. I have only just started to view > >> > Irish films so am still learning - I did not realise that they need to > >> > pay > >> > a pound, will have to do some more reading, > >> > > >> > happy hunting > >> > Annette WATSON > >> > Lismore 2480 > >> > At 08:59 AM 18/09/2009 +1000, you wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > >Hi > >> > >I had the film number 0926115 item 2 which covers > >> > > > >> > >The Catholic parish of Kill contains the civil parishes of Bodenstown, > >> > >Forenaghts, Haynestown, Johnstown, Kerdiffstown, Kill, Oughterard, > >> > >Sherlockstown, and Whitechurch. > >> > > > >> > >I know it gave the couples names the other two names are the > >> > >wittnesses. > >> > >I think the P maybe for the parish or they paid a pound for the > >> > >marriage? > >> > > > >> > >Jennette Gest > >> > >nee Byrne > >> > >QLD AUS > >> > >jgest@tpg.com.au > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi everyone, I have been looking at an LDS film of the above parish > >> > > > for FULLER/FULLERTON/FULLARD/DUNNE - I have found that the > >> > > > marriage entries have the bride & grooms names and then the letter > >> > > > P > >> > > > before nameing two other people on each entry - can anyone tell > >> > > > what the P means - I think it could be the witnesses but why P. > >> > > > > >> > > > Many thanks > >> > > > > >> > > > happy hunting > >> > > > Annette WATSON > >> > > > Lismore > >> > > > Australia > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > > IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the > >> > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >------------------------------- > >> > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > >IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> > >the > >> > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------ > >> > > >> > To contact the IRL-KILDARE list administrator, send an email to > >> > IRL-KILDARE-admin@rootsweb.com. > >> > > >> > To post a message to the IRL-KILDARE mailing list, send an email to > >> IRL-KILDARE@rootsweb.com. > >> > > >> > __________________________________________________________ > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com > >> > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > >> body of the > >> > email with no additional text. > >> > > >> > > >> > End of IRL-KILDARE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 > >> > ****************************************** > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>Get 30 Free Emoticons for your Windows Live Messenger > >>http://www.livemessenger-emoticons.com/funfamily/en-ie/ > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Annette - since this is a Marriage record, I guess Patrini meaning Sponsors is definitely out. So far, I vote for 'Pound' meaning the money given in guarantee that the marriage would take place. But its only from reading old parish records, not from knowing anything about the catholic church. Make sure to post about it when you do find out its meaning.....MegG ------------------------------- Annette Watson wrote: > Hi Meg, thankyou so much for your input. The letter P is on the > marriage records not baptisms. The letter is clearly written as > P - I have asked some well informed Irish Researchers at our local > LDS FHC but they have not seen it before, although they had seen > PP written as in Parish Priest. > I have checked the meaning of > > patrini > > and found the following > > pater patris : father. > patria : fatherland, one's native country, homeland > patricius : a nobleman > > I have also googled and not found anyword which would be > appropriate. > > Happy hunting Annette > >

Could it be "Protestant?" Dale in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annette Watson" <annete@aapt.net.au> To: <irl-kildare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KILDARE] IRL-KILDARE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 > Hi Colette, no, none of the surnames mentioned after the P are surnames > of the bride or groom, > > I'll keep looking, > > happy hunting > Annette > > At 01:26 PM 20/09/2009 +0000, you wrote: > > >>Hi >> >> >> >>I would have thought the P stood for PARENTS, but obviously you would know >>that from their names? >> >> >> >>Anyway, good luck! >> >> >> >>Colette >> >> >> >> >> > From: irl-kildare-request@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: IRL-KILDARE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 >> > To: irl-kildare@rootsweb.com >> > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:00:37 -0600 >> > >> > >> > >> > Today's Topics: >> > >> > 1. Re: Parish of Clane, Kildare (Annette Watson) >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Message: 1 >> > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:29:34 +1000 >> > From: Annette Watson <annete@aapt.net.au> >> > Subject: Re: [IRL-KILDARE] Parish of Clane, Kildare >> > To: irl-kildare@rootsweb.com >> > Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.1.20090919092818.01632e10@mail.aapt.net.au> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> > >> > >> > Hi Jennette, thankyou for your reply. I have only just started to view >> > Irish films so am still learning - I did not realise that they need to >> > pay >> > a pound, will have to do some more reading, >> > >> > happy hunting >> > Annette WATSON >> > Lismore 2480 >> > At 08:59 AM 18/09/2009 +1000, you wrote: >> > >> > >> > >Hi >> > >I had the film number 0926115 item 2 which covers >> > > >> > >The Catholic parish of Kill contains the civil parishes of Bodenstown, >> > >Forenaghts, Haynestown, Johnstown, Kerdiffstown, Kill, Oughterard, >> > >Sherlockstown, and Whitechurch. >> > > >> > >I know it gave the couples names the other two names are the >> > >wittnesses. >> > >I think the P maybe for the parish or they paid a pound for the >> > >marriage? >> > > >> > >Jennette Gest >> > >nee Byrne >> > >QLD AUS >> > >jgest@tpg.com.au >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > Hi everyone, I have been looking at an LDS film of the above parish >> > > > for FULLER/FULLERTON/FULLARD/DUNNE - I have found that the >> > > > marriage entries have the bride & grooms names and then the letter >> > > > P >> > > > before nameing two other people on each entry - can anyone tell >> > > > what the P means - I think it could be the witnesses but why P. >> > > > >> > > > Many thanks >> > > > >> > > > happy hunting >> > > > Annette WATSON >> > > > Lismore >> > > > Australia >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ------------------------------- >> > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > > IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >------------------------------- >> > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > >IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > >the >> > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > To contact the IRL-KILDARE list administrator, send an email to >> > IRL-KILDARE-admin@rootsweb.com. >> > >> > To post a message to the IRL-KILDARE mailing list, send an email to >> IRL-KILDARE@rootsweb.com. >> > >> > __________________________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com >> > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of the >> > email with no additional text. >> > >> > >> > End of IRL-KILDARE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 >> > ****************************************** >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get 30 Free Emoticons for your Windows Live Messenger >>http://www.livemessenger-emoticons.com/funfamily/en-ie/ >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Colette, no, none of the surnames mentioned after the P are surnames of the bride or groom, I'll keep looking, happy hunting Annette At 01:26 PM 20/09/2009 +0000, you wrote: >Hi > > > >I would have thought the P stood for PARENTS, but obviously you would know >that from their names? > > > >Anyway, good luck! > > > >Colette > > > > > > From: irl-kildare-request@rootsweb.com > > Subject: IRL-KILDARE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 > > To: irl-kildare@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:00:37 -0600 > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Parish of Clane, Kildare (Annette Watson) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:29:34 +1000 > > From: Annette Watson <annete@aapt.net.au> > > Subject: Re: [IRL-KILDARE] Parish of Clane, Kildare > > To: irl-kildare@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.1.20090919092818.01632e10@mail.aapt.net.au> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > > > Hi Jennette, thankyou for your reply. I have only just started to view > > Irish films so am still learning - I did not realise that they need to pay > > a pound, will have to do some more reading, > > > > happy hunting > > Annette WATSON > > Lismore 2480 > > At 08:59 AM 18/09/2009 +1000, you wrote: > > > > > > >Hi > > >I had the film number 0926115 item 2 which covers > > > > > >The Catholic parish of Kill contains the civil parishes of Bodenstown, > > >Forenaghts, Haynestown, Johnstown, Kerdiffstown, Kill, Oughterard, > > >Sherlockstown, and Whitechurch. > > > > > >I know it gave the couples names the other two names are the wittnesses. > > >I think the P maybe for the parish or they paid a pound for the marriage? > > > > > >Jennette Gest > > >nee Byrne > > >QLD AUS > > >jgest@tpg.com.au > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, I have been looking at an LDS film of the above parish > > > > for FULLER/FULLERTON/FULLARD/DUNNE - I have found that the > > > > marriage entries have the bride & grooms names and then the letter P > > > > before nameing two other people on each entry - can anyone tell > > > > what the P means - I think it could be the witnesses but why P. > > > > > > > > Many thanks > > > > > > > > happy hunting > > > > Annette WATSON > > > > Lismore > > > > Australia > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the IRL-KILDARE list administrator, send an email to > > IRL-KILDARE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > To post a message to the IRL-KILDARE mailing list, send an email to > IRL-KILDARE@rootsweb.com. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of IRL-KILDARE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 > > ****************************************** > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get 30 Free Emoticons for your Windows Live Messenger >http://www.livemessenger-emoticons.com/funfamily/en-ie/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-KILDARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Melissa - I'd recommend searching the LDS church film catalog. Any of the films can be ordered into a Family History Center as most churches have a FHC that is open to use by the public. Hours are published or you can call them locally. Use the webpage below to locate MICROFILMed records that you'd like to view. Even if you are not near a FHC or might possibly live near or are travelling to Ireland and wish to view originals yourself, you will KNOW what records have been filmed, where they were located when filmed and when the filming was done. A detail of what is in the record is given in the record description pages. I'm sure there are other ways of finding out what else is available for Kildare and its parishes but someone will have to write about that, I'm best at FHC films. Begin at this URL, you will be searching using TWO buttons on this page, one at a time to completely cover Kildare topics : http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp Select PLACE SEARCH and enter only Kildare in the top box. From the list of possibilities they return, select Ireland, Kildare. A nice list of TITLES is returned, alphabetically arranged by TOPIC. Most have been filmed but you'll have to check each title one by one to see if a button is in the upper right corner of the title description page to see if its been filmed. It will say VIEW FILM NOTES. Head back to the original page I sent and now select KEYWORD SEARCH. For some reason, it brings up titles that a Place Search will not select. Its worth the trouble if you are indeed wanting to see what exists on film for Kildare. If it exists in the LDS church filmed holdings, it exists somewhere in Ireland and there's probably a lot of other books and papers with it. By all means, run the searches again [PLACE search and KEYWORD search] using the single word Monasterevin and see a shorter list of titles. Looks like there are Court Sessions but they are after 1900 only , so I doubt that film will help much. By putting Monasterevin in as a KEYWORD SEARCH produces a nice long list of films for your parish of interest, maybe some worth ordering. Thats my best shot for getting Kildare topics that have been filmed, and therefore exist in Ireland or perhaps at Salt Lake City in book form. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA ============================

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnnetteCode Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.kid.general/2255.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Parish records would contain baptism records prior to civil registration a check of both RC and Church of Ireland records vary for each parish, C of I Naas 1679, Rathangan 1880 , RC Naas 1813 and Monstereven 1819. RC records except for those held at the National Library in Dublin are held in local custody. Most parishes are on-line now, Church of Ireland, Protestant (most of Gentlemen/Esquire) were Protestant) and the parish records are held at the Church of Ireland Representative Library in Dublin up to 1899 after which they are held in local custody. Both require personal visits. AC Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnnetteCode Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.kid.general/2255.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Guestimate of dates or a general idea of time frame and some people names would be helpful. There are 8 Marsh names in the current phonebook: www.eircomphonebook.ie There are just 15 Marsh births from 1804-1898 in a database for Kildare. Eliza, Bridget, Rose, Eliza Edith, Annie, Peter, Henry George, Daniel, Michael 1, John 2, James 2. Without a time in history I will give you the Griffith Valuations for 1850: Peter Marsh, Mylerstown Parish, Calfstown Townland leasing a house and land 1 acre 3 perches 4 roods John Marsh, Mylerstown, Calfstown leasing house and land 3A 2P 15R. Directories of Ireland Pigots 1824 & Slaters 1846 In 1824 Jeremy Marsh, Esquire, Rathangan Francis Marsh, Esquire, Rathangan In 1846 Philip Marsh Esquire, Sabine Cottage, Monastereven You would need the 1824-26 Tithe records to see if they owned the land themselves or were head tenants - Esquires and Gentlemen (farmers) would lease from a large landowner such as an Earl or in the case of Philip & John a Viscount Harberton they earned their money from their sub-tenants rentals. You could try a Library for Estates held by the Nobility for more information. I looks through the Index of Wills and Deed Records, nothing for either in Kildare. I note throughout my looking about that often the name MARCH came popping up. Many names has different spellings in the early 1800. www.familysearch.org is a good website but nothing unless I missed it for Kildare. However, if you go to the new PILOT found under 'search records' you will find 103 Marsh records. You can obtain these by clicking on the underline names for the microfilm numbers and taking them to your nearest Latter Day Saints History Center to view the film. Anything after 1864 you can get records from the General Registry Office, Dublin www.groireland.ie I also have a CD with births from the Civil Registration but only for the years 1864-1875, if you have any names that fit in that time period. Annette Code 'genealogy for fun' ps:Rathangan has a big data base of bmd's but I don't remember the website, so you could probably just google that. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnnetteCode Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.kid.general/885.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hope you don't mind my jumping in: There were 14 Michael Timmons born in Kildare from 1790-1857, any idea of his age? Christopher Timmons were born 1810, 1816, 1855 and 1857, both 1810 & 1857 had a father Michael. Elizabeth Perkins births 1815 and 1859 - no marriages 4 Marriages for the name Michael 1854, 1873, 1882 and 1899. No records for Dublin City. Griffiths Valuation is a census substitute but guessing at Michael's age as born 1849 he would of been too young to have his own land. Thee were two Timmon's in Kildare at this time Patrick Timmons, Churchtown Parish, Cardington Townland leasing 19Acres; Stephen Timmons, Parish Killashee, Mullacash, N. Townland leasing house, office and land 15Acres. In the Directories there were 4 names which came with two spellings, Timmins, Timmens and Timon. Timmins for 1894: Dora Timmins, Shopkeeper 1 Clarendon Row, Dublin James Timmins, householder 14 Summerhill Parade Joseph Timmins, bootmaker 175 James St. Samuel Timmins, clothes broker, 1 Dawson Row Kildare: 1824 Patrick Timmons, Public House, Kildare, Kildare 1881 Catherine Timmons, Williams St. Athy, Kildare Two of my favourite websites for Ireland do not have much for Kildare: www.censusfinder.com United Kingdom Ireland Kildare www.igp-web.com Kildare www.familysearch.org now has a new PILOT program where there are records for bmd's. This program is found under 'search records'. For bmd's after 1864 you can get copies from www.groireland.ie or take the microfilm numbers to your nearest Latter Day Saints History Center to view the film. I have a CD of Civil Registrations but only for the years 1864-1875, and Christopher 1869 is not on it for Kildare nor Dublin (County Dublin). I then removed the county and made it all Ireland, but the only Christopher had different parents. The only explanation I can think of that this CD doesn't include Dublin City itself. I also tried leaving the children blank and just putting Michael Timmons and Elizabeth Perkins as parents-no matches. I looked at the 1911 Census but couldn't find a Christopher that would of been around 42 in Dublin. No Michael age about 72, nor an Elizabeth Timmons of the right age. Thought I could be helpful but I can't be. Annette Code 'genealogy for fun' Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

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I am fairly new to Irish research and just as I get a tidbit I think will lead me to my goal it falls flat. Are there any other records perhaps prior to 1830 besides church records? Are there written tax or tenant records? Are there any district court records, constable records, mortality records, ship records, agricultural records anything which might help find my Smullen family? I have found children in Monasterevin Parish. but cannot locate a marriage record for the parents. I am grateful to any ideas and links. Melissa

Annette - are you positive the letter is a very clearly written P ? I've seen the term Sponsors abbreviated as Sp with the S written in the old style. Such a letter looks like a letter f that extends below the line and is stretched out. Another way is to imagine a letter S uncurled and pulled into an amost straight line. Written closely together with a lower case p , it can look a lot like a P that has a very long backbone. I also have seen the word Sponsors abbreviated SS and Ss but that would obviously not be anything like a single letter P . Might this be the case here ? I Googled for a phrase likely to get me some ideas on this letter P and found some good explanations of Catholic entries but nothing yet on the letter P . http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/roots/irish/irishrecords/romancatholic.htm Many of the Google hits described Sponsors as being very much like Godparents. AH !!! Maybe this is it ??? Another Google hit shows an entry in a very short list of Abbreviations for Catholic Church Records in a book called IRISH CHURCH RECORDS first published 1992 by Ryan G. James, it shows : PATRINI -"a term occasionally used for Sponsors". Use this Tiny URL as the original Google link for the page is 256 characters long : http://tinyurl.com/ml9yax This URL should take you to page 122 of a document that lists the term Patrini as I quoted above. Nothing more is described, but you can view the page if you wish. Might this P [if its clearly a P ] be for Patrini ???? Well, it fits nicely .... Comments welcomed. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA ======================= Google is my friend... ---------------------------------------------