I am afraid it is pretty true. Much of my Irish research has been from before 1843, and with the exception of local church records, convict transportation lists, the Tithe List, the Rebellion Papers, some Wills, and the grave transcriptions in the county genealogy centers, there is little else unless you happen to be descended from nobility. I guess with the exception of births and marriages, you had to interact with the government in some way to get documented, and with a large percentage who couldn't read or write, that didn't happen unless they were arrested. Also part of the reason is that mostly only the nobility owned land, and only land owners could vote; the Guilds controlled the trades, at least in the large cities, and unless you lived in large city there was little need for a directory. It makes for very interesting detective work, though...and I've also learned a lot about why the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights say what they do, and why we have specific rights granted that our forefathers did not enjoy. Cheers, Kevin Kerwin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Jost-Shouse" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 3:04 PM Subject: [Irl-Kildare] Research in County Kildare pre-1849 > I am researching the Holton and Welsh families and have been told that it > is very hard to find anything pre-1849, when my Holton's immigrated. I was > just wondering if others on the list had been able to research back further > or if that's true. > > > > Kathy > Florida > http://terri9.home.mindspring.com/Jost/Jostindex.htm > Researching: Jost, Petry, Peter, Freunscht, Koob, Moller, Schroeder, Urban > Holton, Welsh, Springsteel, Stinson, Hard, Whelan > Graham, White/Whyte, Robertson, Earston > Johnson, Stevens, Glen, Mabie/Mabee, Peek, Sanders, Van Dyke, Van Eps, Van > Patten, Van Slyke, Van Vorst, Wendel > Davis, Folts, Lott, Sutphin, Lapdon > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

HI Kathy, It depends. The FHL has the church records of several RC parishes from Co. Kildare on micorfilm. Go to www.familysearch.org. Click on Search. Then click on Library Catalog. The oldest records are for Allen Parish, going back to 1820. Other parishes such as Carragh, Kildare, Staplestown, Clane and Rathscoffey don't go as far back. The microfilm number you want is 926104 I think. You might want to write to the Kildare Heritage Center, too. I wrote them for an initial search, and once they found my family had been located in Killmeague in Allen Parish, I was able to continue the research on my own through the FHL. As of a couple of years ago, my understanding was that all the records from all the Parishes had been turned in to the Center except for one Parish in the north of the county. I have seen the address of the Parish Priest on the list. You can write him directly. He did not want to turn over his records to the Center because he thought they were making a lot of money off of them. Of course, they weren't. The link to the Kildare Heritage Center is: http://www.kildare.ie/library/kildareheritage/ Colleen Colleen

Thanks. That's the older spelling. Kevin Kerwin ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [Irl-Kildare] Rebellion in Kildare > Sorry no Kirwins in Co Kildare. The nearest mentioned was a Kierwan in Co > Wexford. > > Terry. > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

No, it means they were not prominent enough in the Rebellion to be listed in the various documents the author researched in writing the book. The book was a Ph. D. thesis of a History major, and he used numerous period documents, letters, newspaper reports, etc. to compile the history of the Rebellion. Kevin Kerwin ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 12:37 PM Subject: [Irl-Kildare] Living in Kildare in 1798? > Hi List, > > If someone is not listed in the reference "Rebellion in Kildare" does this > mean thye were not living there at the time? > > Colleen > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

G'day Kevin Is there any mention of McEVOYS? cheers Lyn

Thanks for the lookup. Robin in West Oz>

Hi there Kevin, Is there any mention of Tector in your book? Many thanks.........Regards Harry

I am researching the Holton and Welsh families and have been told that it is very hard to find anything pre-1849, when my Holton's immigrated. I was just wondering if others on the list had been able to research back further or if that's true. Kathy Florida http://terri9.home.mindspring.com/Jost/Jostindex.htm Researching: Jost, Petry, Peter, Freunscht, Koob, Moller, Schroeder, Urban Holton, Welsh, Springsteel, Stinson, Hard, Whelan Graham, White/Whyte, Robertson, Earston Johnson, Stevens, Glen, Mabie/Mabee, Peek, Sanders, Van Dyke, Van Eps, Van Patten, Van Slyke, Van Vorst, Wendel Davis, Folts, Lott, Sutphin, Lapdon

Thanks :) >-- Original Message -- >From: "Kevin Kerwin" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [Irl-Kildare] Re: Rebellion in Kildare >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:06:47 -0400 >To: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] > > >Sorry, no Hickeys. > >Kevin Kerwin >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ANNE JORDAN" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 7:41 AM >Subject: [Irl-Kildare] Re: Rebellion in Kildare > > >> Hi there Kevin, >> Is there any mention of Hickey in your book? >> Many thanks >> Anne >> >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi there Kevin, Is there any mention of Hickey in your book? Many thanks Anne

Thomas Largie states on marriage he was born 1837 in Kildare, father John and mother Betsie MURRIE. Would this name figure in your rebellion list please. Robin in West Oz

Hi Kevin, Looks like you are very busy on the look ups, IF you can manage one more, I would be very grateful for any info on TIERNAN. Thanks a million. Jackie. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 3:00 AM Subject: IRL-KILDARE-D Digest V04 #49

Hi I must of missed the message but would there be any CROFTON's or SLOANE please. Jennette Gest nee Byrne QLD AUS

Yes, mine is a 4th edition printed in 1995. Regards, Terry.

Sorry no Kirwins in Co Kildare. The nearest mentioned was a Kierwan in Co Wexford. Terry.

Hi List, If someone is not listed in the reference "Rebellion in Kildare" does this mean thye were not living there at the time? Colleen

---Please can you have a look and see if there are any Knight or Salmon family names mentioned; thank you for your time and trouble. Please E-mail me at [email protected] Val

Sorry, no listings in "Rebellion in Kildare" Kevin Kerwin ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:43 AM Subject: [Irl-Kildare] Re:Rebellion in Kildare > > > Kevin, > > Would you please check for information the following names from the Kilcock > area: > > Mulligan > Finley or Findlove > Glennon or Glenn or Glynn > Ford or Forde > > Thanks. > > Kathleen Smith > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Sorry, no listings in "Rebellion in Kildare". Kevin Kerwin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin in West Oz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 8:51 AM Subject: [Irl-Kildare] LARGIE/LARGEY REBELLION > Thomas Largie states on marriage he was born 1837 in Kildare, father John > and mother Betsie MURRIE. > Would this name figure in your rebellion list please. > Robin in West Oz > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Sorry, no Hickeys. Kevin Kerwin ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANNE JORDAN" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 7:41 AM Subject: [Irl-Kildare] Re: Rebellion in Kildare > Hi there Kevin, > Is there any mention of Hickey in your book? > Many thanks > Anne > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >