This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VWC.2ACI/1087.2 Message Board Post: Hello Graham, In the event you can't get the 1911 Irish census records on microfilm through LDS, you can research the microfilms at the National Archives in Dublin on Bishop Street. You can also research the 1901 films there. I've heard some LDS Centres have difficulty obtaining the 1911 films. You'll need to get a readers card to use the Reading Room so you'll need to have id with you. There's no fee and there shouldn't be a queue in November. The microfilms in the Readers Room are in a separate room on the right hand side at the rear. The room is staffed and the films are well organised and labeled. There's a large selection of microfilm readers as well as readers with printers. Here's a link with map and hours. http://www.nationalarchives.ie/visit/visit.htm The GRO on the other hand is often quite crowded regardless of season. Here's a link to researching in person as well as the fees involved if you haven't already seen it: http://www.groireland.ie/research.htm I recommend getting a good detailed roadmap if you don't already have one. Easons Booksellers on O'Connel Street in Dublin has a large selection of maps. It's just south of the General Post Office and the Millenium Monument on the GPO (west) side of the street. Best wishes for your visit and hopefully you'll find your wife's relations. Regards. Eilís O'Hara

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VWC.2ACI/1087.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello Kevin, The Church Office isn't always open. It does close and I've heard people who've come to research and the office was not open. I always recommend ringing in advance to assure the office is staffed at the time of the anticipated visit. I've researched at St. Michael's since I live in Ireland so I'm familiar with its records as well as the cemeteries, and local records. However, it is Graham from the UK who is seeking information for his family and not me. Since he's from the UK he would in all probability be coming into Dublin either with or without a car. So transportation to Athy through congested Dublin City traffic would of course be a consideration for his visit as would the amount of time he would have available for it. Perhaps you'd like to advise Graham directly to his post regarding your experiences when visiting and researching in Athy since he posted the query. Regards. Eilís O'Hara

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VWC.2ACI/1087.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: In the case of St. Michael's Church in Athy, no appointments are needed. They have an office staffed by a secretary who assists anyone interested in doing research. Their registers are indexed, and you can also review the original register books dating back to 1753(!). I found this quite helpful, as there were a few typos and incorrect dates between the idices and the originals. One amusing aspect is that there are several entries with a large black box around them and "illegitimate" written diagonally over the name! The other advantage of actually going to Athy, of course, is that the cemeteries are there. The town UCC (city hall) also has the original marriage and burial registers available for viewing. Unfortunately the mid 19th century burial records book for St. Michael's cemetery is no longer in existence, but the one for St. John's is.

Hello Eilis Thank you for your reply I am fortunate to have an LDS centre close by so will approach them regards the microfilm. I also hope to be in Southern Ireland in November and will arange a visit to the IGRO in Dublin. We will be traveling around for the week and hope to stay in Athy for a night or two. Once again thanks for your information Regards Graham Drake All outgoing mail checked by Norton Antivirus 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Fleming > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VWC.2ACI/1087.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Hello Graham, > > You could check microfilm copies of the Irish civil registration records available on order through a LDS Family History Centre and review the births for 1897 and the years around it to verify his exact date of birth and location. > > You could also request a copy of his civil birth cert from the Irish General Register Office at http://www.groireland.ie > > You can review the 1901 and 1911 Irish census microfilms which are also available on order through LDS and research the family in Athy. Those census records aren't searchable as yet online or by surname. > > Athy Town is in three different civil parishes -- Churchtown, St. John's and St. Michael's so you'll need to go through each to hopefully find the family. It's the Athy Registration District. > > Here's an explanation of Irish civil divisions: http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=2435 > > Unfortunately the Irish census records for 1861 through 1891 were all destroyed by the British Government for various reasons and the census records before those were largely destroyed during fighting in Dublin in the Irish Civil War in 1922. > > Church registers are the primary source of research. The Athy RC Church registers have been microfilmed but are only available for research at the National LIbrary of Ireland in Dublin or through fee-based research from the Kildare Heritage and Genealogical Society Co. Ltd. in Newbridge. > > Regards. > > Eilís O'Hara > > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VWC.2ACI/1087.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello Kevin, Thanks for the post. I thought it might be easier for Graham to get to Dublin from the UK rather than renting a car and going into Athy. Making an appointment with the local parishes to look at the registers locally can sometimes be a bit of a problem too because of the priest's schedule. Regards. Eilís O'Hara

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VWC.2ACI/1087.1.1 Message Board Post: I would add that the Athy RC Chuch registers are also available for study in Athy, and I would recommend going there if you can. The microfilms are sometimes very dim and hard to read, and you can see the original registers at the church in Athy.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bird , Duffy, Ryan, Kelly Classification: Immigration Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VWC.2ACI/1088 Message Board Post: The following fellows claimed county Kildare as their birth place in the Rutland County, Vermont, USA Naturalization papers (partial list) Vol Number Petition / Application initial date firstname last name Ethnicity Province / County country birth date Living in city Living in County 4 380 1868-10-15 Peter Bird Irishman Kildare Ireland 1836 Fairhaven Rutland 4 326 1868-10-15 Peter Bird Irishman Kildare Ireland 1836 Fairhaven Rutland 4 196 1865-09-12 James Duffy Irishman Kildare Ireland 1818 Castleton Rutland 3 543 1860-09-22 Patrick Ryane Irishman Kildare Ireland 1817 Castleton Rutland 3 375 1859-03-18 Michael Kelly Irishman Kildare Ireland 1828 Castleton Rutland

Kathy at [email protected] writes: << Is this the only cemetery in Kilcock, County Kildare, Ireland? >> Kathy, I have a couple of suggestions. As you've been informed, there is apparently only one cemetery within the town of Kilcock. However, Kilcock is right on the border with Meath, and there are a couple of possibilities just outside the town and across the border. Just a few hundred yards outside of Kilcock, on the R 125 road to Dunshaughlin - and across the border into Meath - is the Little Chapel of the Assumption (I think that's the name - at least it's an RC church). There may be a graveyard there. If not, there certainly is one in the townland of Rodanstown, a mile or two to the NE of this Chapel along a minor road. At the NW end of Kilcock town, the R 158 road which goes through Summerhill to Trim, has a cemetery in the townland of Balfeaghan. I believe that this graveyard would be at the ruined church in that townland, right next to the R 158 road, less than one mile from Kilcock. Those places might be alternative burial sites for people living in Kilcock, as they are so near the town. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VWC.2ACI/1087.1 Message Board Post: Hello Graham, You could check microfilm copies of the Irish civil registration records available on order through a LDS Family History Centre and review the births for 1897 and the years around it to verify his exact date of birth and location. You could also request a copy of his civil birth cert from the Irish General Register Office at http://www.groireland.ie You can review the 1901 and 1911 Irish census microfilms which are also available on order through LDS and research the family in Athy. Those census records aren't searchable as yet online or by surname. Athy Town is in three different civil parishes -- Churchtown, St. John's and St. Michael's so you'll need to go through each to hopefully find the family. It's the Athy Registration District. Here's an explanation of Irish civil divisions: http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=2435 Unfortunately the Irish census records for 1861 through 1891 were all destroyed by the British Government for various reasons and the census records before those were largely destroyed during fighting in Dublin in the Irish Civil War in 1922. Church registers are the primary source of research. The Athy RC Church registers have been microfilmed but are only available for research at the National LIbrary of Ireland in Dublin or through fee-based research from the Kildare Heritage and Genealogical Society Co. Ltd. in Newbridge. Regards. Eilís O'Hara

There is one Michael Grogan in this cemetery that could be him. I was told he was buried with his wife in Kilcock but who knows for sure. How could I get the obit for this Michael Grogan? thank you again for helping me. Friendship & Hope, Kathy

After 1900 Michael Grogan and Elizabeth Grogan.Here is what I have on the family there was a lot of children 12-15 but I have only found a few of them. This is all that I have so far: Descendants of Michael Grogan Generation No. 1 1. MICHAEL1 GROGAN was born Abt. 1848 in Ireland. He married (1) ELIZABETH MALLON July 06, 1860 in Kilcock, County Kildare, Ireland. She was born Abt. 1851 in Ireland. More About MICHAEL GROGAN: Religion: Roman Catholic Children of MICHAEL GROGAN and ELIZABETH MALLON are: 2. i. MICHAEL2 GROGAN, b. 1870, Kilcock, County Kildare, Ireland; d. Winefield township, Queens County, New York. ii. ANNE GROGAN, b. February 05, 1871. 3. iii. ELIZABETH CECILIA GROGAN, b. July 27, 1879, Kilcock, County Kildare, Ireland; d. February 12, 1942, 235 Hamilton Street, Albany, New York. Generation No. 2 2. MICHAEL2 GROGAN (MICHAEL1) was born 1870 in Kilcock, County Kildare, Ireland, and died in Winefield township, Queens County, New York. He married ANNA. She was born in Ireland. Children of MICHAEL GROGAN and ANNA are: i. JOHN3 GROGAN, b. March 15, 1901. ii. MICHAEL GROGAN, b. July 28, 1904. iii. THOMAS GROGAN, b. July 26, 1907. iv. EDWARD GROGAN, b. December 17, 1909. v. REGINA GROGAN, b. January 1912. 3. ELIZABETH CECILIA2 GROGAN (MICHAEL1) was born July 27, 1879 in Kilcock, County Kildare, Ireland, and died February 12, 1942 in 235 Hamilton Street, Albany, New York. She married (1) JOHN PATRICK FOLEY April 18, 1900 in St. Mary's Troy, New York. He was born 1867 in Conn., and died October 20, 1908 in Ellis Hospital, Schenectady, New York. She married (2) JAMES J. GOINGS October 12, 1910 in Schenectady, New York. More About ELIZABETH CECILIA GROGAN: Burial: February 15, 1942, St. Mary's, Ft. Johnson, New York More About JOHN PATRICK FOLEY: Burial: October 1908, St. John's Cemetery, Schenectady, New York Children of ELIZABETH GROGAN and JOHN FOLEY are: i. ANNA3 FOLEY, b. February 02, 1903, Schenectady, New York; d. 1957, Gloversville, New York; m. JOSEPH DILLON, 1943, St. Mary's Chruch, Amsterdam, New York. Notes for ANNA FOLEY: Never Had any Children. More About ANNA FOLEY: Burial: 1957, St. Mary's Ft. Johnson, New York 4. ii. MARY ELIZABETH FOLEY, b. May 27, 1904, Schenectady, New York; d. January 28, 1980, St. Clairs Hospital, Schenectady. 5. iii. JOHN FOLEY, b. February 19, 1906, Schenectady, New York; d. May 08, 1969, Coxsackie, New York. Children of ELIZABETH GROGAN and JAMES GOINGS are: iv. HELEN3 GOINGS. v. RICHARD GOINGS, d. Amsterdam, New York. More About RICHARD GOINGS: Burial: St. Mary's Ft. Johnson, New York Generation No. 3 4. MARY ELIZABETH3 FOLEY (ELIZABETH CECILIA2 GROGAN, MICHAEL1) was born May 27, 1904 in Schenectady, New York, and died January 28, 1980 in St. Clairs Hospital, Schenectady. She married MARTIN FRANCIS FITZPATRICK September 01, 1921 in St. Mary's Chruch, Amsterdam, New York, son of JOSEPH FITZPATRICK and ANNA MCVEIGH. He was born December 28, 1902 in Fonda, Montgomery County, New York, and died February 06, 1989 in Schenectady, New York. Notes for MARY ELIZABETH FOLEY: She was born with the name Mary. Her brothers and sisters called her May. She used the name Marion. That is what is on her grave. More About MARY ELIZABETH FOLEY: Burial: January 31, 1980, Palkovic Plot, Schenectady, New York More About MARTIN FRANCIS FITZPATRICK: Burial: February 09, 1989, St. Mary's Ft. Johnson, New York I know this is not much but it is all that I have. All of my family is now dead and it has been very hard for me to find any info on them at all. I want to thank you for at least trying to help me with this. My family was and still is very poor family. So money is hard for me to come by and to pay some one to do this I can not do. I wish I could. I am sure the church records there would and should have this family in them. Thank you again for your help, Friendship & Hope, Kathy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Fleming Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VWC.2ACI/1087 Message Board Post: Hi I recently started researching my wifes family tree and came to an abrupt halt. Her grandfather was a John Fleming believed to be from Athy Kildare born about 1897. In 1919 he married a Church of England girl and was disowned by his family. He died in 1923 of war related injuries His marriage certificate shows his father as John Fleming occupation Barber I would be gratefull if anyone has access to any information regarding John Fleming or could suggest how to procede further

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VWC.2ACI/1086 Message Board Post: Following is a link to some burials in Kilshanroe Cemetery, Enfield, County Kildare: http://www.interment.net/data/ireland/kildare/kilshanroe/kilshanroe.htm Eilís O'Hara

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VWC.2ACI/1085 Message Board Post: Following is a link to the names of County Kildare casualties in WWI: http://kildare.ie/athyheritage/CoKildareCasualties.htm Eilís O'Hara

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VWC.2ACI/1084.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello Kathy, What time period are you looking for and do you have any names, dates? Regards. Eilís O'Hara

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Grogan-Mallon Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VWC.2ACI/1084.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: My Family were Catholic at that time. Would there be a record of them with the church there?

In a message dated 10/6/2005 9:19:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/IRL-KILDARE/2000-04/0955399715 Is there other cemeteries is Kilcock, County Kildare, Ireland?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VWC.2ACI/1084.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello Kathy, There's only one cemetery in Kilcock on Church Lane. Many people didn't have tombstones, many are buried with other family members and their names aren't noted on the tombstones and many of the older tombstones didn't survive. Regards. Eilís O'Hara

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: GROGAN-MALLON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VWC.2ACI/1084.1.1 Message Board Post: Is this the only cemetery in Kilcock, County Kildare, Ireland? By my Great Aunt's letters my family is buried in the cemetery there. There is several buried there. Friendship & Hope, Kathy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VWC.2ACI/1084.1 Message Board Post: Hello Kathy, Tombstone inscriptions from Kilcock Cemetery were transcribed on the IRL-Kildare-L Mailing List in April, 2000. Here are links: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/IRL-KILDARE/2000-04/0955176574 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/IRL-KILDARE/2000-04/0955294445 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/IRL-KILDARE/2000-04/0955296962 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/IRL-KILDARE/2000-04/0955319996 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/IRL-KILDARE/2000-04/0955399715 Regards. Eilís O'Hara