Hi Ann, Patrick Foley's obit appears in the Shamokin News-Dispatch, 1936, but I suppose you have that since you have his DOD. If not I can send you the details. (The site is Newspapers.com, a subscription site.) This year, through another cousin, I was put in touch with Kathy, from NYC, who was related to Patrick Foley, I'll try to find my notes on our conversation. Jack Langton -----Original Message----- From: Ann via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> To: IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER <IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Nov 17, 2014 10:33 pm Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] FOLEY DOYLE ROWLEY Hello, I am trying to trace some family roots that harken back to Castlecomer. Specifically, I am looking for the immediate family of Patrick Foley (1866-1936) who was born in Castlecomer, but ended up in the Coal Regions of Pennsylvania (Shamokin) where he married his cousin, Mary Buckley. Patrick’s father was Michael Foley (1834-1893) and his mother was Mary Doyle (1840-1894). Michael’s father was James Foley (1797-1888), but we’re not sure if James’ wife was Bridget Hoban or Catherine McEvoy. Mary Doyle’s parents were Edward Doyle and Mary Rowley. Any and all information would be greatly appreciated! Ann Yezerski, Ph.D. Professor Biology Department King's College [1]annyezerski@kings.edu References 1. mailto:annyezerski@kings.edu ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It seems like you have obtained some church records to get your family back as far as you have them. If you would like to check out more church records, this RC parish has been filmed by the Family History Library and cover: Baptisms: 1812-1818, 1828-1880 Marriages: 1831-1880 This can be viewed at the Family History Center near you (attached to an LDS church). It cost about $8 to order a film (done on line) but then the film will be at the FHC for 6 weeks or longer where you can view it. The RootsIreland.ie website has these records, but they are a subscription site and while nice to search at home, it will be more expensive than the FHC. I personally rather go to the FHC. At our, I can not only view the original record but copy the actually frame of the film to a portable drive to take home and print out for my records. I am trying to trace some family roots that harken back to Castlecomer. > Specifically, I am looking for the immediate family of Patrick Foley > (1866-1936) who was born in Castlecomer, but ended up in the Coal > Regions of > Pennsylvania (Shamokin) where he married his cousin, Mary Buckley. > Patricks father was Michael Foley (1834-1893) and his mother was Mary > Doyle > (1840-1894). Michael's father was James Foley (1797-1888), but we're > not > sure if James' wife was Bridget Hoban or Catherine McEvoy. Mary Doyle's > parents were Edward Doyle and Mary Rowley. > After church records, there are no censuses that survived prior to 1901, so one must use the Griffiths Valuations which only list the head of the households, for Castlecomer Civil Parish, they were done in 1850. Here is a link for the GV Index. http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/kilkenny/castlecomer.htm You can see the originals at: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml I would go to the index first and get the date and then go to the Ask About Ireland website, I find it a bit quirky. Before the GV, there were the Tithe Applotment which were basically the same as the GV. For Castlecomer Civil Parish, they were done in 1823. You can search or just look at the Castlecomer Civil Parish on the Archives of Ireland website: http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp If others have any other resources for the Castlecomer Civil Parish, please add. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com nymets22@gmail.com

Hello, I am trying to trace some family roots that harken back to Castlecomer. Specifically, I am looking for the immediate family of Patrick Foley (1866-1936) who was born in Castlecomer, but ended up in the Coal Regions of Pennsylvania (Shamokin) where he married his cousin, Mary Buckley. Patrick’s father was Michael Foley (1834-1893) and his mother was Mary Doyle (1840-1894). Michael’s father was James Foley (1797-1888), but we’re not sure if James’ wife was Bridget Hoban or Catherine McEvoy. Mary Doyle’s parents were Edward Doyle and Mary Rowley. Any and all information would be greatly appreciated! Ann Yezerski, Ph.D. Professor Biology Department King's College [1]annyezerski@kings.edu References 1. mailto:annyezerski@kings.edu

I am researching Foley (Edward James) from the Castlecomer/Smithstown area. Born approx 18 August 1874 Also Edward James Foley Born 1849 in Castlecomer I also have a sterling silver loving cup/trophy presented by: Charles Wandrstord JP For Polo-Ponies Won by E Foley's G.G. The Shah At Castlecomer November 24th, 1876 I would love to find to look for more information on this trophy. Terry Foley Powell. WY tfoley@bresnan.net

Thanks Jack, I do have the details. I was interested in the background etc that would be in Maire's discussion as that would no doubt provide details of the atmosphere etc at Castlecomer at the time. Gary -----Original Message----- From: irl-kil-castlecomer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kil-castlecomer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jacklangton via Sent: Friday, 14 November 2014 2:18 AM To: irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Kilkenny and The Great War In case you haven't seen it, there is a list of Kilkenny people who served in World War 1 on, of all places, YouTube. Included, of course, are those who were from the Castlecomer area. Go to YouTube.com and search: Kilkenny, Ireland and the Great War 1914-1918 (I believe I saw mention recently on the list of a Joseph Gardiner from Castlecomer, he is listed) The list has name, town in Kilkenny, DOD, and place. Jack Langton ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In case you haven't seen it, there is a list of Kilkenny people who served in World War 1 on, of all places, YouTube. Included, of course, are those who were from the Castlecomer area. Go to YouTube.com and search: Kilkenny, Ireland and the Great War 1914-1918 (I believe I saw mention recently on the list of a Joseph Gardiner from Castlecomer, he is listed) The list has name, town in Kilkenny, DOD, and place. Jack Langton

Hi Kevin, Sorry, I don't have anything on your particular family. There is a site covering emigration to the Ottawa and Quebec areas at www. bytown.net Maybe they would have something. (Bytown is the old name for Ottawa, they tell me.) Jack Langton -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Ryan via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> To: irl-kil-castlecomer <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 13, 2014 10:13 am Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER Digest, Vol 9, Issue 17 Hi there everyone glad to see things come back to life here. I am Researching Lawrence Ryan and His wife Mary Brennan. They left in 1847 and landed in Quebec Mary didn't survive. I believe They were living in Ballyhimmen before they Emigrated. Lawrence also had 2 brothers I know of Pat and Thomas .Thomas married a Honora Brennan and Pat Married a Mary Flood. Any info or connections would be appreciated . Kevin Gerald Ryan

Hi there everyone glad to see things come back to life here. I am Researching Lawrence Ryan and His wife Mary Brennan. They left in 1847 and landed in Quebec Mary didn't survive. I believe They were living in Ballyhimmen before they Emigrated. Lawrence also had 2 brothers I know of Pat and Thomas .Thomas married a Honora Brennan and Pat Married a Mary Flood. Any info or connections would be appreciated . Kevin Gerald Ryan -----Original Message----- From: irl-kil-castlecomer-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 3:00 AM To: irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com Subject: IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER Digest, Vol 9, Issue 17 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Records (Gary) 2. Re: this list (Pat Connors) 3. Re: Roll Call - Muldowney and church closings (jacklangton@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:16:40 +1000 From: Gary <garyndonna@optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Records To: Maire Downey <mairedowney31@eircom.net>, "irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com" <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <58A17B39-6772-486F-BC0D-E80818F8825B@optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Maire, Well done for being able to remember your 8 pages, after doing all that work. I had a similar experience when I forgot my wedding speech of only two pages, but I think when you spend so much time preparing it, it tends to stick in the ol' brain. I am very interested in your presentation as two of my Castlecomer relatives fought in the war, James & Joseph Gardiner. I would love to read it if possible. Have you re-entered it into the computer and would it be at all possible to have a copy? Gary Sent from my iPod On 12/11/2014, at 10:32 AM, Maire Downey via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear Jack, > > I hope my reply to Michael Brennan explains the situation to you. By the > way > there was no question of the 'students' throwing up their hands at the > volume of work. I and the supervisors who came after me were most > conscientious in doing this work and the young people who were employed > were > very diligent. > > I am glad to see that Pat Connors has taken over this site. Jim Bradley is > a > friend of mine and has visited me here in Castlecomer several times. I > don't > think he is enjoying the best of health now but I will pass on the news to > him. > > I was unable to reply to some of the people who posted messages as I was > working on a paper about Castlecomer people who served in World War 1 for > the past few weeks and did not have the time. I delivered my talk to-night > in the local library to a surprisingly large audience but had the > misfortune > to delete my 8 pages of research from my computer and only found out when > I > went to print it off about an hour before the arranged time. The air was a > bit blue but I managed to recall a lot of what I had written so all was > well. Such is life! > > M?ire Downey > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-kil-castlecomer-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-kil-castlecomer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jacklangton > via > Sent: 11 November 2014 18:32 > To: michael77@blueyonder.co.uk; irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Records > > > Well said, Michael. The students may have seen the tremendous number of > Brennan entries and just threw up their hands. > In a way I was lucky because I got into this before the internet became > popular, and so I dealt with a real person at Rothe House, I believe her > name was Mary Flood, and we did the whole thing by snail mail. I would > send > her what info I had, and she would get back to me with whatever she could > find. I forget what the fees were but I recall them as reasonable. > (Fortunately the Langton name is sparse in those parts.) Years later I > was > able to go over, and was helped by cousins. > > Jack Langton > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> > To: IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER <IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tue, Nov 11, 2014 5:03 am > Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Records > > > It's a good idea to recommend the Rothe House website to search for > records > but be aware that it is far from complete. The records themselves were > transcribed by a bunch of University Students in their summer holidays > supervised by local historian , Maire Downey at Rothe House. Some of you > on > here will know her or know of her. They basically had too much work and > not > enough time from what she told me. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 10:13:26 -0800 From: Pat Connors <nymets22@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] this list To: irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAH=kouZpqHZruDtVruQG+1LacbZjK=v1RLUWLqc1suj7sjuhTw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Maire, if you happen to see Jim Bradley, let him know when he gets well, he can certainly take over this list again. I am kind of baby sitting it till he comes back. I am glad to see that Pat Connors has taken over this site. Jim Bradley is a > friend of mine and has visited me here in Castlecomer several times. I > don't > think he is enjoying the best of health now but I will pass on the news to > him. > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com nymets22@gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 20:33:53 -0500 From: jacklangton@aol.com Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Roll Call - Muldowney and church closings To: irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8D1CCF904883D94-E24-15D0A@webmail-vm093.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It's always surprised me how very many coalminers from the Castlecomer area went on to the coal mines of Pennsylvania, my own grandfather and father included. In their case it was to Shamokin in Northumberland Co., but of course Schuylkill and a few others got their share. Finding them seems to get harder all the time, especially since, as you mention, they are closing and consolidating and renaming the Catholic churches. (Strangely enough, St. Edward's in Shamokin stayed open but became Mother Cabrini, and yet the name of the parish cemetery remained St. Edward's.) That sort of thing is going on right now in Staten Island here, though thankfully our local church will remain open and continue to be known as St. Clare. (Sorry, I don't have anything on Muldowney). Jack Langton ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER list administrator, send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-admin@rootsweb.com. 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It's always surprised me how very many coalminers from the Castlecomer area went on to the coal mines of Pennsylvania, my own grandfather and father included. In their case it was to Shamokin in Northumberland Co., but of course Schuylkill and a few others got their share. Finding them seems to get harder all the time, especially since, as you mention, they are closing and consolidating and renaming the Catholic churches. (Strangely enough, St. Edward's in Shamokin stayed open but became Mother Cabrini, and yet the name of the parish cemetery remained St. Edward's.) That sort of thing is going on right now in Staten Island here, though thankfully our local church will remain open and continue to be known as St. Clare. (Sorry, I don't have anything on Muldowney). Jack Langton

Maire, Well done for being able to remember your 8 pages, after doing all that work. I had a similar experience when I forgot my wedding speech of only two pages, but I think when you spend so much time preparing it, it tends to stick in the ol' brain. I am very interested in your presentation as two of my Castlecomer relatives fought in the war, James & Joseph Gardiner. I would love to read it if possible. Have you re-entered it into the computer and would it be at all possible to have a copy? Gary Sent from my iPod On 12/11/2014, at 10:32 AM, Maire Downey via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear Jack, > > I hope my reply to Michael Brennan explains the situation to you. By the way > there was no question of the 'students' throwing up their hands at the > volume of work. I and the supervisors who came after me were most > conscientious in doing this work and the young people who were employed were > very diligent. > > I am glad to see that Pat Connors has taken over this site. Jim Bradley is a > friend of mine and has visited me here in Castlecomer several times. I don't > think he is enjoying the best of health now but I will pass on the news to > him. > > I was unable to reply to some of the people who posted messages as I was > working on a paper about Castlecomer people who served in World War 1 for > the past few weeks and did not have the time. I delivered my talk to-night > in the local library to a surprisingly large audience but had the misfortune > to delete my 8 pages of research from my computer and only found out when I > went to print it off about an hour before the arranged time. The air was a > bit blue but I managed to recall a lot of what I had written so all was > well. Such is life! > > Máire Downey > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-kil-castlecomer-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-kil-castlecomer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jacklangton > via > Sent: 11 November 2014 18:32 > To: michael77@blueyonder.co.uk; irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Records > > > Well said, Michael. The students may have seen the tremendous number of > Brennan entries and just threw up their hands. > In a way I was lucky because I got into this before the internet became > popular, and so I dealt with a real person at Rothe House, I believe her > name was Mary Flood, and we did the whole thing by snail mail. I would send > her what info I had, and she would get back to me with whatever she could > find. I forget what the fees were but I recall them as reasonable. > (Fortunately the Langton name is sparse in those parts.) Years later I was > able to go over, and was helped by cousins. > > Jack Langton > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> > To: IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER <IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tue, Nov 11, 2014 5:03 am > Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Records > > > It's a good idea to recommend the Rothe House website to search for records > but be aware that it is far from complete. The records themselves were > transcribed by a bunch of University Students in their summer holidays > supervised by local historian , Maire Downey at Rothe House. Some of you on > here will know her or know of her. They basically had too much work and not > enough time from what she told me. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maire, if you happen to see Jim Bradley, let him know when he gets well, he can certainly take over this list again. I am kind of baby sitting it till he comes back. I am glad to see that Pat Connors has taken over this site. Jim Bradley is a > friend of mine and has visited me here in Castlecomer several times. I > don't > think he is enjoying the best of health now but I will pass on the news to > him. > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com nymets22@gmail.com

My sincere apologies Maire , I never intended to belittle either yourself or the work you did. I am fully aware of what you have achieved in your career and the phrase "local historian" was not meant to demean yourself, only to add credibility to the fact that someone with significant local knowledge had been supervising the project. As for the remark about the University Students, I was drawing on memories of a late night conversation in a room with 6 people all talking at once (or most of us) and I can only apologise again if I got the facts wrong. It was what I wrongly recalled which is why I named you as the source for the comment , I was fully aware when posting the comment that you would see it No ill was intended. As for the ten million Brennan clans and half the population being called Michael Brennan , of course it is absurd but I would hope anyone reading it would appreciate it was written very much tongue in cheek and a round about way of poking fun at myself and the task I faced as a Brennan researching in Castlecomer. On 11/11/2014 08:00, irl-kil-castlecomer-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Records (Pat Connors) > 2. Re: Records (jacklangton@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 10:13:14 -0800 > From: Pat Connors <nymets22@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Records > To: irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAH=koubAPt4UToCYPN+ExW-M6wCAL8rsZj1Zn=rJTJ4gWr=igA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I am finding the posts to the lists very interesting and thanks to all > those who have posted their data. I am wondering if anyone has used the > rootsireland.ie website? It has many records on it from the Castlecomer > area. I found Church of Ireland records going back to the 1700s. Of > course it is a subscription site. > > Castlecomer RC records go back to 1812 for baptisms and 1831 for > marriages. Also these records are available on a Family History Library > film. This website has the data on available records; > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm?fuseaction=showidrecords&CityCounty=Kilkenny&parish=Castlecomer&churchid=981 > >

Dear Jack, I hope my reply to Michael Brennan explains the situation to you. By the way there was no question of the 'students' throwing up their hands at the volume of work. I and the supervisors who came after me were most conscientious in doing this work and the young people who were employed were very diligent. I am glad to see that Pat Connors has taken over this site. Jim Bradley is a friend of mine and has visited me here in Castlecomer several times. I don't think he is enjoying the best of health now but I will pass on the news to him. I was unable to reply to some of the people who posted messages as I was working on a paper about Castlecomer people who served in World War 1 for the past few weeks and did not have the time. I delivered my talk to-night in the local library to a surprisingly large audience but had the misfortune to delete my 8 pages of research from my computer and only found out when I went to print it off about an hour before the arranged time. The air was a bit blue but I managed to recall a lot of what I had written so all was well. Such is life! Máire Downey -----Original Message----- From: irl-kil-castlecomer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kil-castlecomer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jacklangton via Sent: 11 November 2014 18:32 To: michael77@blueyonder.co.uk; irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Records Well said, Michael. The students may have seen the tremendous number of Brennan entries and just threw up their hands. In a way I was lucky because I got into this before the internet became popular, and so I dealt with a real person at Rothe House, I believe her name was Mary Flood, and we did the whole thing by snail mail. I would send her what info I had, and she would get back to me with whatever she could find. I forget what the fees were but I recall them as reasonable. (Fortunately the Langton name is sparse in those parts.) Years later I was able to go over, and was helped by cousins. Jack Langton -----Original Message----- From: Michael via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> To: IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER <IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 11, 2014 5:03 am Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Records It's a good idea to recommend the Rothe House website to search for records but be aware that it is far from complete. The records themselves were transcribed by a bunch of University Students in their summer holidays supervised by local historian , Maire Downey at Rothe House. Some of you on here will know her or know of her. They basically had too much work and not enough time from what she told me. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Michael, Your posting amazes me. No.1: I have no recollection of telling you that we 'basically had too much work and not enough time. No.2: Also the transcription was not done by 'University students in their summer holidays'. No.3: I was not a 'local historian' at that time. My Ph.D in history was achieved many years later. No.4: I think that you exaggerate when you say that Clogh Parish is 'ancestral homelands of the ten million Brennan clans. No.5: 'Half the population was called Michael Brennan' - I can only call this a ridiculous comment! Let me explain. The Parish Record Indexation Project was undertaken by The Irish Family History Society in several counties in Ireland in the late 1980s. Kilkenny Archaeological Society at their headquarters in Rothe House, Kilkenny sponsored the Kilkenny county project. I was the first supervisor employed and initially ten young people were employed under a Youth Employment Scheme sponsored by Fás. At first we did not have access to computers but we managed to copy, sort and index the parish records from thirteen parishes. The details were written on cards and were carefully cross-checked by the team and myself. I had to resign for health reasons after about three years. By then computers became available and the work continued under different supervisors over about twenty years. The various teams of young people were taught computer and office and reception skills and most of them went on to full time employment or further studies. Not only church records were indexed but every nominal record that could be sourced was included, including newspaper reports, Griffith's Valuation Records, Tithe Applotments, census returns and every possible source that was available in order to build up a comprehensive database which provides an excellent research facility for genealogists under the very capable direction of Miss Mary Flood. Considering the costs involved over the years in setting up this service I think the charges are reasonable. The Brennan Clans originally comprised four clans in the area of Castlecomer - Clanauley (Clan Auliffe), Clanvickelowe (Clan McAuley or Clan Gillananave), Clanvickconnaill (Clan McConnel) and Clanmorriertagh (Clan Murtagh). In "Castlecomer Connections", Mr. Tom Lyng lists 134 nicknames which were used to distinguish one Brennan family from another. Yes, the Brennans are still numerous in their ancestral territory of north-east Co. Kilkenny but there was never as much of them as you state. Clogh was included in Castlecomer parish until about 1830 so the original records dating from 1812 to 1830 are included in the Castlecomer Parish records - except for a period of about ten years from 1818 when no records exist. The early Clogh registers are in a very frail condition as I understand they were damaged by smoke. I copied those pages myself and the less handling of them there was the better. Every time they are disturbed little pieces fall away from the edges of the pages and I do not think that the parish priest should give access to these pages until thorough conservation work is carried out on them. Parts of the register for the later part of the 19th century were obviously copied from the smoke damaged originals and, as in a lot of transcriptions, many mistakes and omissions occur. The baptism of my own grandfather, Thomas Bradley, is not recorded but I do have a copy of the civil birth certificate. Civil registration began in 1864, I seem to remember. At the completion of the Church Records Indexation Project each parish priest was issued by a computerised index to his particular parish and these are what should be consulted. Nowadays Parish Priests and their part-time parish secretaries often do not have the time to deal with genealogical queries and with so many sources available on line you can understand their reluctance to get involved in many cases. The Parish Priests are the custodians of the registers - they are not public records. I hope the above clarifies the situation and I wish you continued success with your searching. Máire Downey. -----Original Message----- From: irl-kil-castlecomer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kil-castlecomer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael via Sent: 11 November 2014 10:03 To: IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Records It's a good idea to recommend the Rothe House website to search for records but be aware that it is far from complete. The records themselves were transcribed by a bunch of University Students in their summer holidays supervised by local historian , Maire Downey at Rothe House. Some of you on here will know her or know of her. They basically had too much work and not enough time from what she told me. To give you an example of what i mean :- In the entire Clough Parish of Castlecomer, ancestral homelands of the ten million Brennan clans, there is only one recorded marriage for a Michael Br ennan from the period 1830-1850. I refuse to believe only one Michael Brennan was married in Castlecomer over a 20 year stretch - half the population was called Michael Brennan ! The Irish Ancestors website claims the records available stretch from 1831-1847 inclusive but this patently is not true. Similarly with baptisms, I know for a fact as I stated before that my ancestor was born and baptised in Clough in 1836 due to the details on the wedding certificate of 1867 yet no trace can be found of his or indeed any brothels and sisters baptism certificates from 1830- 1840. Indeed baptism records are almost non-existent until 1840 despite the website claiming they are transcribed for the period 1812-1818 and 1828-1847. I think the key phrase used is the following " All known copies for Clough, excluding originals in local custody " , presumably the majority of records are stil locked away by local Parish Preists in their vaults and have not been transcribed. It's important to take this into account before taking out a subscription with rootsireland because although it may not be as obscenely expensive as it was until a couple of months ago ( 5 Euros for a look at one page ) - it is still expensive at 25 Euros a month when a lot of the records you seek may never have actually been transcribed online. Michael Brennan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maire, Good to hear from you again, as well as those who have responded to the Roll Call etc. A pleasure to see the list buzzing. Thanks for the clarification on the Brennan situation; I made a hasty comment and I shouldn't have. Especially since my grandfather, ggrandfather, and gggrandfather all married Brennan (Roe). Is Mary Flood still at Rothe House? I'm thinking it has to be close to 25 years so she probably packed it in. Sorry to hear Jim Bradley is not in good form. Please give him my regards and best wishes. I spent many an afternoon in the Castlecomer library, researching away. Mary Morrissy was the librarian, very helpful. I went through every copy of DEENSIDE they had, plus lots of other good stuff. Jack Langton -----Original Message----- From: Maire Downey <mairedowney31@eircom.net> To: 'jacklangton' <jacklangton@aol.com>; irl-kil-castlecomer <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 11, 2014 7:32 pm Subject: RE: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Records Dear Jack, I hope my reply to Michael Brennan explains the situation to you. By the way there was no question of the 'students' throwing up their hands at the volume of work. I and the supervisors who came after me were most conscientious in doing this work and the young people who were employed were very diligent. I am glad to see that Pat Connors has taken over this site. Jim Bradley is a friend of mine and has visited me here in Castlecomer several times. I don't think he is enjoying the best of health now but I will pass on the news to him. I was unable to reply to some of the people who posted messages as I was working on a paper about Castlecomer people who served in World War 1 for the past few weeks and did not have the time. I delivered my talk to-night in the local library to a surprisingly large audience but had the misfortune to delete my 8 pages of research from my computer and only found out when I went to print it off about an hour before the arranged time. The air was a bit blue but I managed to recall a lot of what I had written so all was well. Such is life! Máire Downey

Marie, Please give Jim my best regards. I haven't herd from him for quite awhile I sent an e-mail to the last address I had for him, but did not hear back. Ron Ronald Mcavoy rmcavoy414@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Maire Downey via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> To: 'jacklangton' <jacklangton@aol.com>; irl-kil-castlecomer <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 11, 2014 7:33 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Records Dear Jack, I hope my reply to Michael Brennan explains the situation to you. By the way there was no question of the 'students' throwing up their hands at the volume of work. I and the supervisors who came after me were most conscientious in doing this work and the young people who were employed were very diligent. I am glad to see that Pat Connors has taken over this site. Jim Bradley is a friend of mine and has visited me here in Castlecomer several times. I don't think he is enjoying the best of health now but I will pass on the news to him. I was unable to reply to some of the people who posted messages as I was working on a paper about Castlecomer people who served in World War 1 for the past few weeks and did not have the time. I delivered my talk to-night in the local library to a surprisingly large audience but had the misfortune to delete my 8 pages of research from my computer and only found out when I went to print it off about an hour before the arranged time. The air was a bit blue but I managed to recall a lot of what I had written so all was well. Such is life! Máire Downey -----Original Message----- From: irl-kil-castlecomer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kil-castlecomer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jacklangton via Sent: 11 November 2014 18:32 To: michael77@blueyonder.co.uk; irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Records Well said, Michael. The students may have seen the tremendous number of Brennan entries and just threw up their hands. In a way I was lucky because I got into this before the internet became popular, and so I dealt with a real person at Rothe House, I believe her name was Mary Flood, and we did the whole thing by snail mail. I would send her what info I had, and she would get back to me with whatever she could find. I forget what the fees were but I recall them as reasonable. (Fortunately the Langton name is sparse in those parts.) Years later I was able to go over, and was helped by cousins. Jack Langton -----Original Message----- From: Michael via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> To: IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER <IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 11, 2014 5:03 am Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Records It's a good idea to recommend the Rothe House website to search for records but be aware that it is far from complete. The records themselves were transcribed by a bunch of University Students in their summer holidays supervised by local historian , Maire Downey at Rothe House. Some of you on here will know her or know of her. They basically had too much work and not enough time from what she told me. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well said, Michael. The students may have seen the tremendous number of Brennan entries and just threw up their hands. In a way I was lucky because I got into this before the internet became popular, and so I dealt with a real person at Rothe House, I believe her name was Mary Flood, and we did the whole thing by snail mail. I would send her what info I had, and she would get back to me with whatever she could find. I forget what the fees were but I recall them as reasonable. (Fortunately the Langton name is sparse in those parts.) Years later I was able to go over, and was helped by cousins. Jack Langton -----Original Message----- From: Michael via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> To: IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER <IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 11, 2014 5:03 am Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Records It's a good idea to recommend the Rothe House website to search for records but be aware that it is far from complete. The records themselves were transcribed by a bunch of University Students in their summer holidays supervised by local historian , Maire Downey at Rothe House. Some of you on here will know her or know of her. They basically had too much work and not enough time from what she told me.

It's a good idea to recommend the Rothe House website to search for records but be aware that it is far from complete. The records themselves were transcribed by a bunch of University Students in their summer holidays supervised by local historian , Maire Downey at Rothe House. Some of you on here will know her or know of her. They basically had too much work and not enough time from what she told me. To give you an example of what i mean :- In the entire Clough Parish of Castlecomer, ancestral homelands of the ten million Brennan clans, there is only one recorded marriage for a Michael Brennan from the period 1830-1850. I refuse to believe only one Michael Brennan was married in Castlecomer over a 20 year stretch - half the population was called Michael Brennan ! The Irish Ancestors website claims the records available stretch from 1831-1847 inclusive but this patently is not true. Similarly with baptisms, I know for a fact as I stated before that my ancestor was born and baptised in Clough in 1836 due to the details on the wedding certificate of 1867 yet no trace can be found of his or indeed any brothels and sisters baptism certificates from 1830- 1840. Indeed baptism records are almost non-existent until 1840 despite the website claiming they are transcribed for the period 1812-1818 and 1828-1847. I think the key phrase used is the following " All known copies for Clough, excluding originals in local custody " , presumably the majority of records are stil locked away by local Parish Preists in their vaults and have not been transcribed. It's important to take this into account before taking out a subscription with rootsireland because although it may not be as obscenely expensive as it was until a couple of months ago ( 5 Euros for a look at one page ) - it is still expensive at 25 Euros a month when a lot of the records you seek may never have actually been transcribed online. Michael Brennan

Years ago I used to search on that rootsireland.ie but dropped it due to confusing results. Incidentally I did see mention of Booths and Boyles in Castlecomer Connections, on p. 277 in the hardcover; they were claiming losses for the "98 uprising. Wonder how they made out. Jack Langton -----Original Message----- From: Pat Connors via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> To: irl-kil-castlecomer <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Nov 10, 2014 1:13 pm Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Records I am finding the posts to the lists very interesting and thanks to all those who have posted their data. I am wondering if anyone has used the rootsireland.ie website? It has many records on it from the Castlecomer area. I found Church of Ireland records going back to the 1700s. Of course it is a subscription site. Castlecomer RC records go back to 1812 for baptisms and 1831 for marriages. Also these records are available on a Family History Library film. This website has the data on available records; http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm?fuseaction=showidrecords&CityCounty=Kilkenny&parish=Castlecomer&churchid=981 -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com nymets22@gmail.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am finding the posts to the lists very interesting and thanks to all those who have posted their data. I am wondering if anyone has used the rootsireland.ie website? It has many records on it from the Castlecomer area. I found Church of Ireland records going back to the 1700s. Of course it is a subscription site. Castlecomer RC records go back to 1812 for baptisms and 1831 for marriages. Also these records are available on a Family History Library film. This website has the data on available records; http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm?fuseaction=showidrecords&CityCounty=Kilkenny&parish=Castlecomer&churchid=981 -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com nymets22@gmail.com