Good morning, Pat, A very clever way of access, I tried it and liked it. Of course I started with baptisms in the early 1800's, (which were identified as marriages for some reason) in Castlecomer and Clough, and a quick, overall look seems promising. I had looked at these same records at an LDS center years ago, but the long commute to the Lincoln Center area, plus the tortured, crowded writing on so many pages was discouraging. This is a lot better. Although the writing is still not easy to read. But hey, no quibbles, they said they'd get around to it, and so they did. Happy hunting. Jack Langton -----Original Message----- From: Pat Connors via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> To: ny-irish <ny-irish@rootsweb.com>; ireland-roll-calls <ireland-roll-calls@rootsweb.com>; Irish-In-UK-L <Irish-In-UK-L@rootsweb.com>; Can-Ontario-Irish-L <Can-Ontario-Irish-L@rootsweb.com>; new-england-irish <new-england-irish@rootsweb.com>; irl-kil-castlecomer <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com>; Irl-Kilkenny mailing list <irl-kilkenny-l@rootsweb.com>; Nir-Armagh-L <Nir-Armagh-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2015 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] [NY-IRISH] RC Parish Registers coming online at the Library of Ireland website Okay, hurrah! The RC records went online today and I found that by going to the Irish Times site for RC Records, you can go directly to the parish of interest's records on the Natrional Library of Ireland site: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/ Go on the map and find your RC parish and click on it. You then get a screen that gives you the dates of the records and to the right of the screen will say NLI and to the right, click on 'Imaged online'. Bingo, you can then start looking! --

Okay, hurrah! The RC records went online today and I found that by going to the Irish Times site for RC Records, you can go directly to the parish of interest's records on the Natrional Library of Ireland site: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/ Go on the map and find your RC parish and click on it. You then get a screen that gives you the dates of the records and to the right of the screen will say NLI and to the right, click on 'Imaged online'. Bingo, you can then start looking! -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com nymets22@gmail.com

Hi Pat and list, Thanks for the reminder, Pat. Guess we're all looking forward to the big event. As Michael Purcell points out the original records had gaps, sometimes years long, the handwriting was dicey, there were large dark areas almost totally obscuring some pages, and of course the spelling varied widely. These conditions tended to improve as the years went by, so you go with what you have. The rule of the record keepers seemed to be: Paper is precious; get as much information on a sheet as you can squeeze in. Years ago, at a Mormon facility in NYC, I copied a number of pages of marriages and baptisms held in the R.C. churches in the Castlecomer area. Almost all are from the LDS rolls #-0979702 and 0926291, so they have the same parameters as the data soon to be released. And of course they have the same failings. And let me stress that I didn't copy all the pages. But if you have doubts as to the information you find, e-mail the list and I, or someone else I'm sure, will try to thrash out the correct info from the LDS microfilms, if we have that page. Jack Langton -----Original Message----- From: Pat Connors via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> To: ny-irish <ny-irish@rootsweb.com>; ireland-roll-calls <ireland-roll-calls@rootsweb.com>; Irish-In-UK-L <Irish-In-UK-L@rootsweb.com>; Can-Ontario-Irish-L <Can-Ontario-Irish-L@rootsweb.com>; new-england-irish <new-england-irish@rootsweb.com>; irl-kil-castlecomer <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com>; Irl-Kilkenny mailing list <irl-kilkenny-l@rootsweb.com>; Nir-Armagh-L <Nir-Armagh-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2015 1:43 pm Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] RC Parish Registers coming online at the Library of Ireland website The following was posted to the Irish-American mailing list by Michael Purcell. He has given me permission to pass this on to other lists that I admin.

The following was posted to the Irish-American mailing list by Michael Purcell. He has given me permission to pass this on to other lists that I admin. Roman Catholic Parish Registers Release Date 8th July 2015 ~ WHAT TO EXPECT ~ As we continue to anticipate the NLI release of parish registers we have been asked, “What exactly will this mean for users?” Well, there will be 390,000 microfilm images and so it really is a very ambitious project. The National Library of Ireland <http://www.irelandxo.com/partners/national-library-ireland> has earmarked 8th July as their launch date. Some of the records date from the 1790s and reach the 1880s covering over 1000 parishes. What should we expect? The *catalogue *will be available to search by *parish location, not surname*, so you will still need to know a certain amount before having a look. Once you know the parish you can then search the images. Very few of the registers pre-date 1800 and within registers there are gaps, missing pages as well as faded and poor handwriting. These images will be in black and white and are digital copies of the original microfilm. Some of the images will be in poor condition and some will be difficult to read. The Library doesn’t have the resources to index or transcribe the records (mostly baptisms and marriages) but having a dedicated website where they images can be searched for free is a major step forward. So, while we wait for the big day, why not post a message on the irelandxo.com message board and do some digging. A knowledge of place is one of the single most important things you can learn about your ancestors. Knowing more about your parish of origin before the release date will be a great help in your research. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com nymets22@gmail.com

Dear Chris I think I have spoken to you a long time ago.However I dont recall everything these days Did your people Have Canal lock keepers in the family in Canada. There was a James Bradley from Comer who became a lock keeper. There was a James Bradley from Comer who settled in The Nepean area area I think they call it, they had a prolific number of descendants and are scattered all over the internet.If your people came via Wicklow that family did not remain long in Comer. Sadly there is very little evidence today that would assist you with your family Research that others have not already mentioned. Please feel free to contact me on flatbrad@gmail.com My interests are Bradley Connors and Purcell by the way Yours jim On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 8:49 PM, jacklangton via < irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Chris, There is a library in Castlecomer town which has good info , > including the late Tom Lyng's massive hardcover book CASTLECOMER > CONNECTIONS, and various issues of DEENSIDE, the magazine about local > events in the surrounding villages. Don't recall their URL but I'm sure a > Google search would bear fruit. The librarians were always helpful, and > striking up an acquaintance before you go doesn't hurt. Also, the Irish > government has promised to put Irish parish baptism and marriage records on > the net starting July 8, a great thing, but whether they will have both > Catholic and Protestant records I don't know. > > Jack Langton > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Bradley via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> > To: Irl-Kil-Castlecomer <Irl-Kil-Castlecomer@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Apr 30, 2015 1:55 pm > Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Seeking information about the Bradleys > > > Hello there, > > My father (72) and I are planning to visit Castlecomer this > summer. We > learned that our Protestant Irish forebear, James Bradley, emigrated > from > Castlecomer. His name was on the McCabe's List, which was an 1829 > document > in Ottawa Canada, listing the origins of the Irish settlers to > Ottawa. > > I was just wondering if you knew of where we might search out > family > information in Castlecomer? Would you know any websites or books > detailing > the history of the Protestants in that area? > > Thank you very kindly > for any help or advice you might offer. > > Kind regards, > > Chris > Bradley. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, > please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the > word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Chris, There is a library in Castlecomer town which has good info , including the late Tom Lyng's massive hardcover book CASTLECOMER CONNECTIONS, and various issues of DEENSIDE, the magazine about local events in the surrounding villages. Don't recall their URL but I'm sure a Google search would bear fruit. The librarians were always helpful, and striking up an acquaintance before you go doesn't hurt. Also, the Irish government has promised to put Irish parish baptism and marriage records on the net starting July 8, a great thing, but whether they will have both Catholic and Protestant records I don't know. Jack Langton -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bradley via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> To: Irl-Kil-Castlecomer <Irl-Kil-Castlecomer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Apr 30, 2015 1:55 pm Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Seeking information about the Bradleys Hello there, My father (72) and I are planning to visit Castlecomer this summer. We learned that our Protestant Irish forebear, James Bradley, emigrated from Castlecomer. His name was on the McCabe's List, which was an 1829 document in Ottawa Canada, listing the origins of the Irish settlers to Ottawa. I was just wondering if you knew of where we might search out family information in Castlecomer? Would you know any websites or books detailing the history of the Protestants in that area? Thank you very kindly for any help or advice you might offer. Kind regards, Chris Bradley. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you can look at a book, Castlecomer Connections by Tom Lyng, it would give you lots of info about Castlecomer including info on some of the migrations of Castlecomer citizens to Canada. However, the book is hard to get since it is out of print. A trip to the county library in Kilkenny Town might be very helpful. I imagine they have the book. I was just wondering if you knew of where we might search out family > information in Castlecomer? Would you know any websites or books detailing > the history of the Protestants in that area? > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com nymets22@gmail.com

Hello there, My father (72) and I are planning to visit Castlecomer this summer. We learned that our Protestant Irish forebear, James Bradley, emigrated from Castlecomer. His name was on the McCabe's List, which was an 1829 document in Ottawa Canada, listing the origins of the Irish settlers to Ottawa. I was just wondering if you knew of where we might search out family information in Castlecomer? Would you know any websites or books detailing the history of the Protestants in that area? Thank you very kindly for any help or advice you might offer. Kind regards, Chris Bradley.

There's a rather good Facebook site that I've been scoping out for a while, covering mostly Clogh village, both it's present residents and it's ex-pats. The coverage is mostly candid shots, both new and old, many pointing out who the people are. I even found a picture of my mother on a Irish Countrywoman's Assoc. outing back in the 70's, with Mary Brennan (Cap) Hughes. Just go on Facebook and type Clogh in the search box. Jack Langton

Thanks, Jack, Just go on Facebook and type Clogh in the search box. I did this and only found, Clogh laawd, but it is a closed group. Is this the site you were referring to? -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com nymets22@gmail.com

I am forwarding this from Professor Yezerski, her email address is below, so if you want to answer her, use her email address. Of course, if it is something that those of us on the list might like, you can send to both. I have seen a lot on this list about coal miners from Kilkenny ending up in the Coal Regions of Pennsylvania. Mostly, this concentrates on Schuykill County. However, I have been tracing several emigrants to Northumberland County, the heart of coal mining. My relatives include Foleys, Buckleys, Hobans, McEvoys and more. I also see neighbors of my relatives with surnames that match several on this list. Does anyone know of any of their own relatives that ended up in this county (includes Shamokin, Mount Carmel, Excelsior, Sunbury, Kulpmount, and more!) Any and all information welcome! Thanks! Ann Yezerski, Ph.D. Professor Biology Department King's College annyezerski@kings.edu -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com nymets22@gmail.com

The last post to the list was spam that got through the Rootsweb filters. DO NOT click on the link. http://acuityconsult.com/.....etc. It is spam. dcolinda: go into your AOL program and change your password, using both numbers and letters, and then these spam emails will end using your email address. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento, CA, list admin http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

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Michael, I was interested in your comments regarding the Purcell family. My ancestor Joseph Gardiner married Margaret Fleming (whose mother was a Purcell) in 1842, a mixed marriage whereby the Gardiners appear to have worked at Kilkenny Castle for the Butlers and belonged to the Church of Ireland. Joseph & Margaret had at least 11 children, some of whom were baptised in St Marys Catholic Church, some in the Church of Ireland and some it appears in both. On their son Henry's baptismal record in the Catholic Church, father Joseph is listed as a heretic. It must have been very difficult for them living in this mixed marriage in such times. Margaret Fleming was baptised at Castlecomer on 13th January 1829 to James Fleming and Mary Purcell, interestingly with sponsors Mick & Julia Brennan. Unfortunately there is a gap in the records around this time and the only possible sibling I could find was a Margaret Fleming to same parents baptised 9 dec 1816, living at Mayhora, (nil sponsors). I have made a list of all the Purcells (and Flemings) that I could find on the LDS microfilm for Castlecomer, if you would like a copy. Gary -----Original Message----- From: irl-kil-castlecomer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kil-castlecomer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LOUGHLIN MICHAEL via Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2014 4:37 AM To: irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Roll Call - Loughlin, Brennan, Higgins, Bourke, Boyle, Taylor, Purcell. Thanks for reviving this list Sorry it has taken till Christmas to respond. My grandfather Jack Loughlin was born in Cloneen in 1884 and emigrated to NE England in about 1911. My grandmother's family also came from Clogh parish. Her father Patrick Brennan was born in 1868 and most if not all his family seem to have gone to NE England in the late 19th century. His parents were both Brennans, Martin and Margaret, born 1841 Gorteen and Curragh. My g grandmother Margaret Higgins was born in Clogh in 1870. Her grandparents were John Higgins, Margaret Boyle (b.1815), Edward Burke and Anne Brennan. If anyone had any connection with these I would be interested. On the Loughlin side both my great parents were called Loughlin - Laurence Loughlin b 1848 married Mary Loughlin b 1856. I don't know whether they were cousins but i would be interested to find out. My second great grandparents were John Loughlin, Jane Taylor, Patrick Loughlin and Judith Purcell - all born about 1805- 15ish. They married in Clogh in 1835 and 1840 but there is little evidence of Loughlins in the area before that. I am intrigued by the Taylor - which sounds English and there appear to have been some Taylors in Church of Ireland records in Castlecomer at the time. They had similar names (including a Samuel Taylor who was a witness at the marriage in 1835) but they don't appear to be the same people. Does anyone know whether 'mixed' marriages were common at the time? I suspect they must have been. A Jane Taylor was baptised in 1851 in Clogh RC church whose father was called Samuel and mother Jane Brennan. I am guessing he was the witness at the Loughlin/Taylor marriage in 1835. There can't have been that many Samuel Taylors about. But another Jane Taylor with a father Samuel and mother Jane was baptised in the Church of Ireland in Castlecomer a few months earlier. Could they have done both? I'd be interested if anyone has any views on this. Michael Loughlin . How to do a roll call: 1. Put surname only in subject 2. In the body, give info about your ancestor -name -year of birth -place they lived, if known -any other data that you think is pertinent and will help others recognize someone who may be related to them -any questions about research that you may have After I send this, I will put together a post for my Castlecomer ancestors and get it started. On 7 November 2014 at 08:00, <irl-kil-castlecomer-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. New list admin (Pat Connors) > 2. Boyle, Rynard, Booth, Hill (Pat Connors) > 3. Re: New list admin (jacklangton@aol.com) > 4. Healy, Walsh/Welsh (jennm2003218@aol.com) > 5. Roll Call - LANGTON, BRENNAN (ROE) (jacklangton@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 10:19:03 -0800 > From: Pat Connors <nymets22@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] New list admin > To: irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAH= > koua_rC4cy8UDwbAyETQDHhehPQfLetUuP0bdmcmkuxReqA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Since a couple of weeks ago, I have contacted Rootsweb to see who was > the admin of this list and found that he/she was not responding to > Rootsweb's emails so they waited a couple of weeks and put the list up for adoption. > I adopted it an now I am the list admin. However, if someone on the > list would like to admin it, let me know off the list and I will > gladly turn it over to you. It is not a hard job and I will also help if you need it. > > In the meantime lets do a roll call. We have 80 members so can I > expect 80 roll calls? > > How to do a roll call: > 1. Put surname only in subject > 2. In the body, give info about your ancestor -name -year of birth > -place they lived, if known -any other data that you think is > pertinent and will help others recognize someone who may be related to > them -any questions about research that you may have > > After I send this, I will put together a post for my Castlecomer > ancestors and get it started. > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, list admin http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > nymets22@gmail.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 10:30:20 -0800 > From: Pat Connors <nymets22@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Boyle, Rynard, Booth, Hill > To: irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAH=kouah+TgfCOtKy3AjCURcFQFrLMhBzYCdrrU= > YdgXstTL6A@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > All were from the Castlecomer Civil Parish. Boyle and Booth ended up > in Thorold, Ontario, Canada near the Niagara Falls. > > BOYLE: > John born in Gurteen in 1810, parents were Martin Boyle and Mary > Rynard; they had two other sons, Martin and Robert > > RYNARD: > See above, found in both the tithes and the Griffith's valuation in > Gorteen > > > BOOTH: > John Booth and Mary Hill were married in Castlecomer Parish in 1801 > Marriage and children baptisms don't give place but they are found in > tithes and GV in Gorteen. > They had seven children baptized 1811 to 1823 > > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > nymets22@gmail.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 14:32:13 -0500 > From: jacklangton@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] New list admin > To: nymets22@gmail.com, irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8D1C80F7FC2D4F8-1E44-37DF@webmail-va087.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Jim Bradley was the list admin for quite awhile. He had a crusty sense > of humor, and never used two words where one would do. > He was once very active on the list, but I haven't seen a post from > him in years. If anyone knows of Jim's well-being, please drop a line. > (Pat, will send my roll call shortly. Thanks for taking over the > list.) Jack Langton > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Connors via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> > To: irl-kil-castlecomer <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Nov 6, 2014 1:20 pm > Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] New list admin > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 21:24:29 -0500 > From: jennm2003218@aol.com > Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Healy, Walsh/Welsh > To: nymets22@gmail.com, irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8D1C84918134D6B-958-5C97@webmail-va021.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > James J. Healy born around 1877. Parents were Martin Healy & Mary > Walsh (or Welsh?) They all came over to New York in 1882 or 83, > James also had a sister named Margaret. They ended up in Elizabeth NJ. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 21:48:18 -0500 > From: jacklangton@aol.com > Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Roll Call - LANGTON, BRENNAN (ROE) > To: irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8D1C84C6BEC3C46-9F0-6FBF@webmail-m289.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > LANGTON - Clogh, Cloneen, Moneenroe to NE Pennsylvania 1n 1881, to New > York City in 1930 > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER list administrator, send an email > to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER mailing list, send an > email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER Digest, Vol 9, Issue 10 > ************************************************** > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can't really add to your family listing, although Langtons from the Castlecomer area did marry Brennans who had the nickname Rowe or Roe. The Castlecomer R.C. Church would certainly be a good place to start, it is located near Donaguile, where Mary Ellen Connell died, and adjacent to the Castelcomer Hospital, which was once the Castlecomer workhouse. Several of my relatives died there. Do as much research as you can before you go, via the internet or other means, and it might not hurt to have your name known to the CC clergy beforehand. Jack Langton -----Original Message----- From: Derick Higa <higa.derick@gmail.com> To: jacklangton <jacklangton@aol.com>; irl-kil-castlecomer <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Dec 27, 2014 11:32 am Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Roll Call - Loughlin, Brennan, Higgins, Bourke, Boyle, Taylor, Purcell. Can anyone add to this family history ? Mary) Ellen CONNELL F, b. circa 1826, d. before 1880 Father* ? William CONNELL O‘CONNELL/ Mother* ? Ellen MEIGHAN O’MEEHAN/ (Mary) Ellen CONNELL was buried at ?Castlecomer, Co. Kilkenny, Ireland. She was Roman Catholic. She -She was probably baptized “Mary Ellen Connell” about 1826 near Castlecomer, County Kilkenny, Ireland. My initial study of the Catholic Baptismal Records for that parish failed to turn up a baptism for Ellen Connell, but there were a number of years with no entries. A couple who lived in the same place and had children who would have been both older and younger than Ellen were William Connell and Ellen Meighan. Although none of the Rowe’s living children were named William, Ellen was certainly a favorite female name — if Mary Ellen Connell’s mother was indeed Ellen Meighan, she would be the first of four generations by that name: Ellen Meighan, (Mary) Ellen Connell, Ellen Rowe, and Ellen Concannon! At this point it’s only a guess that William and Ellen are (Mary) Ellen’s parents — but it looks very likely to me. -It is also clear that (Mary) Ellen’s family were part of that reaction against the old Irish surname prefixes that turned O’Connells into Connells. She was called (Mary) Ellen Connell when her marriage was registered in 1847. And, in a very good piece of evidence, named her eldest son “Thomas Connell Rowe.” Here is what an Irish surname reference tells us about this name: “Connell is among the twenty-five most common names in Ireland but is most popular in Munster [the province just to the southwest of Kilkenny where our Connell’s lived]. There the O’Connells, Gaelic O’Conaill, ‘descendant of Connell’, were driven out of their Kerry homeland by the O’Donoghues in the eleventh century. They settled under the MacCarthy Mór chiefs at Ballycarbery, Co. Kerry. Of this sept was Daniel O’Connell the ‘Liberator’. Because of his popularity and succeeding Gaelic revivals very many Connells resumed the O’ prefix, and O’Connells now outnumber Connells by more than four to one.” (p. 38) [In 1890 Connells outnumbered O’Connells by two to one.] -(Mary) Ellen Connell married Robert Rowe in 1847. Her first child, Thomas, was born in July 1848. According to a Rowe history compiled by some of Thomas Connell Rowe’s descendants, his mother (Mary) Ellen Rowe gave birth to sixteen children, eight of whom grew to adulthood. [My research in the Castlecomer Catholic baptismal records turned up only ten children of Robert and (Mary) Ellen. But there could very easily have been a few more who died before being baptized or were baptized in another parish. The children whose baptisms are on record at Castlecomer were: Thomas, Ellen, Mary, Margaret, Robert (first of that name; died young), Anne, Kate, Laurence, John and Robert Jr.] -Ellen (Connell) Rowe died sometime in the late 1860’s or early1870’s in Castlecomer, Co. Kilkenny, Ireland. The Rowe Family History mentioned above says she died “in her forties.” We should be able to find her death registered in the public records. On our next trip to Ireland we will try to find where she was buried — perhaps even a gravestone, though that is unlikely. Her married name was ROWE. She was born circa 1826 at ?near Castlecomer, Co. Kilkenny, Ireland. She married RobertROWE, son of ? Thomas (Tomas) ROWE O’ROWE (O’ RUAIDH)/ and ? Kate WALSH, on 21 October 1847 at Castlecomer, Co. Kilkenny, Ireland. (Mary) Ellen CONNELL died before 1880 at Dunagville, near Castlecomer, Co. Kilkenny, Ireland. Family Robert ROWE b. c 1820, d. 10 Aug 1892 Children Thomas ROWE+ b. 26 Jul 1848, d. 10 Nov 1919 Ellen ROWE+ b. 1849 Mary ROWE b. 1851 Margaret ROWE+ b. 1852, d. 1913 Robert ROWE b. 1854 Anne ROWE b. 1857 Katherine ('Kate') ROWE+ b. Mar 1859, d. 4 Oct 1938 Laurence K. ROWE+ b. 1861, d. a 1920 John ROWE b. 1862, d. ? 19 APR 1905 Robert J. ROWE+ b. 1865, d. a 1920 Sent from my iPad Sent from my iPad ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone add to this history ? Sent from my iPad > Robert ROWE > M, b. circa 1820, d. 10 August 1892 > Father* ? Thomas (Tomas) ROWE O’ROWE (O’ RUAIDH)/ > Mother* ? Kate WALSH > Robert ROWE was farmer. He was Roman Catholic. He > -Robert Rowe, according to family tradition, had red hair. There must have been a gene for red hair passed down in the Rowe family for centuries. The surname Rowe is thought to be an anglicized form of the Irish “O’ Ruaidh”. The word “ruadh” is Gaelic for red, so the surname was probably originally an epithet meaning “red head!” [Robert’s son Robert Rowe Jr., according to a family legend, walked down to the waterfront in San Francisco some time after the family moved to the Bay area about 1883 and was “shanghaied” by the crew of a ship sailing to the Hawaiian Islands. He must have liked it so much in Hawaii that he decided to stay — married a native Hawaiian (or Polynesian) woman and had sixteen children. Family legend got a bit carried away here on this last point, but appears pretty accurate otherwise. Robert J. Rowe as a resident of Honolulu appears in the 1920 Census with a wife Rebecca and six (not sixteen) children. The names of his children make it clear that he belongs to our Rowe family: he had a son Thomas C. Rowe (named for his eldest brother) and a daughter Katherine (named for his sister Kate, who married Laughlin Moy — although Kate’s half Polynesian-half Irish namesake was called “Kittie,” not Kate). We really should try to look up some of our Rowe cousins the next time one of us Moys takes an Hawaiian vacation! Anyway, I began talking about Robert Rowe Jr. with the intention of pointing out that he shared not only his father’s name, but the red hair, as well! And that Rowe red hair is still appearing generations later. Both our daughters, Jen and Adrienne have it to some degree!] > -The Gaelic surname O ’Ruaidh is also anglicized Ormond for some reason. So that people today in the neighborhood of Cork and Waterford, in southern Ireland, with the name Ormond are probably also Rowe cousins of ours. [That is, unless they are descended from the Dukes of Ormond who “ruled” this area in the time of the English supremacy.] > -[Actually the name Rowe, which meant “red” in Gaelic, may not have developed from a reference to the color of our ancestor’s hair. It may have, instead, referred to the color of his skin. Perhaps the original “Ruaidh”, whose grandchildren and later descendants took the surname “O’Ruaidh,” suffered from the skin condition known today as rosacea. (- “a chronic form of acne affecting the nose, forehead, and cheeks, characterized by red pustular lesions” — Random House Dictionary). I think this condition (which is apparently hereditary) has been fairly common among light-skinned northern Europeans, such as the Irish. On the other hand, maybe the Rowes long ago just had a redish tint to their fair skins that got them first a nickname and ultimately their surname.] > -Robert Rowe was probably born sometime in the 1820’s (based on his marriage date) [prob 1822] in the village of Dunagville where he lived until about the age of 58. [It is possible that immigration and naturalization data will give us a birth date for Robert. I have not been able to find him in the 1880 US census — he may have arrived in the United States later that year after the census had been taken — and he had died before the next existing census (1900) was done. This guess is probably correct: he arrived in Boston on 15 Sep 1880 and died in Livermore, CA, August 10 1892, aged 72 years.] > -I ordered a microfilm of early Castlecomer Roman Catholic Church records. The years when Robert was born were missing from the records but a married couple who had other children just before or just after Robert’s probable years of birth was Thomas Rowe and Kate Walsh. With those two names, they just have to be Robert’s parents! After all Robert named his firstborn son Thomas and one of his daughters Kate. It’s only a guess — but a pretty good one I think — on the identity of Robert’s parents. > -There is a good record in the Catholic parish register of Castlecomer of the marriage on 21 October 1847 of Robert Rowe and Ellen Connell. > -I must find Robert in the Griffith Valuation — a thorough record of all landholdings (no matter how small) — taken in the 1850’s. These records also trace what became of each little leased acreage which will tell us more about Robert Rowe’s economic life. He toiled on his small plot or plots for over thirty years, raising eight children, became a widower, watched his older children leave home forever and travel to America, and finally decided to follow them himself. He was about 55 to 58 years old I calculate and may have been accompanied by as many as six of his children. > -Robert immigrated to America in 1880, probably arriving in the port of Boston, Massachusetts. Robert’s oldest daughter, Ellen, had been the first of the family to come to America, leaving in 1863, when she was only fourteen, and living with her father’s sister, a Mrs. Bishop. [I think this was in Augusta, Maine, because I believe that was where Ellen met and married James Concannon. Ellen and James had already moved to San Francisco, CA before her father arrived on the East Coast in 1880.] Oldest son Thomas Connell Rowe had come to America in 1874 [date from USCensus /Rowe history has 1869] — ten years after his sister. He was living with Ellen and James Concannon in San Francisco in 1880. Later that same year he married Julia C. Lane and they lived in Berkeley, CA, until Thomas died in 1919. The children who may have accompanied their father Robert Rowe Sr. to America in 1880 were: Margaret, Mary, John, Lawrence, Kate and Robert Jr. [Margaret and Mary may have already been here, however.] > -About 1882 or 1883 Robert Rowe and his children John, Kate, Robert Jr. and perhaps Margaret traveled across the United States to Livermore, California, to make a permanent home in their adopted country. Robert Sr.’s daughter Kate was naturalized in 1886 [as Katherine Moy] so it’s possible that Robert Rowe Sr. also became a US citizen at that time. But until I search the Alameda County [or San Francisco] naturalization records we can’t be certain he was ever naturalized. > -Robert Rowe Senior’s grave in St. Michaels Cemetery, Livermore, CA is unmarked. A family story recalled that he had been buried there, however, just inside the gates. But no one knew his date of death. Then in 1994 we found the following record in the parish burial records at St. Michaels: a handwritten note in the churchbook states that Laughlin Moy came in on the 12th of August 1892 and purchased a family burial plot of 15' x 20' for $5.00. The record makes no mention of Robert Rowe, Laughlin’s father-in-law, but there can be no other reason why the Moys would have purchased a burial plot at this particular time. It was certainly for Robert Rowe. [In fact Robert Rowe had died on Wednesday; was buried on Thursday; and Laughlin came in to pay for the plot on Friday!] In the St. Michael’s Cemetery Plan, the Moy plot includes graves 1-6 on the west side of the cemetery. This plot is enclosed by a concrete base about a foot high. Inside is coarse gravel up to the height of the base. On the front of the plot border is inscribed simply MOY. There are no gravestones to mark the three graves we know to be there - those of Robert Rowe, his daughter Catherine, and her husband Laughlin Moy. [At least I suppose those are the only graves there. I wonder to whom the three unused grave sites in the plot, paid for in 1892 by Laughlin Moy, belong? Perhaps I shall inquire on behalf of the two living grandchildren of Laughlin. Or, is it possible that Uncle Jim Moy could be buried in this plot? And what about Paul and Margaret (Moy) Beck?] [Laughlin’s brother Joseph might also be buried in this plot!] > -Robert Rowe and his wife spoke English as their native language, according to the 1920 US Census. (For Kate (Rowe) Moy: what was the language of your father and mother?). He was born circa 1820 at near Castlecomer, Co. Kilkenny, Ireland; Before seeing his death notice, I had birth year: ca 1825. He married (Mary) Ellen CONNELL, daughter of ? William CONNELL O‘CONNELL/ and ? Ellen MEIGHAN O’MEEHAN/, on 21 October 1847 at Castlecomer, Co. Kilkenny, Ireland. Robert ROWE immigrated on 15 September 1880 to Boston, MA; ship:Austrian. He died on 10 August 1892 at Livermore, CA. He was buried on 11 August 1892 at St. Michael's Cem. > Family > (Mary) Ellen CONNELL b. c 1826, d. b 1880 > Children > > Thomas ROWE+ b. 26 Jul 1848, d. 10 Nov 1919 > Ellen ROWE+ b. 1849 > Mary ROWE b. 1851 > Margaret ROWE+ b. 1852, d. 1913 > Robert ROWE b. 1854 > Anne ROWE b. 1857 > Katherine ('Kate') ROWE+ b. Mar 1859, d. 4 Oct 1938 > Laurence K. ROWE+ b. 1861, d. a 1920 > John ROWE b. 1862, d. ? 19 APR 1905 > Robert J. ROWE+ b. 1865, d. a 1920 > > On Dec 26, 2014, at 9:40 AM, jacklangton via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Hi Michael, My father was from Cloneen but I am not connected with any of your lines as far as I can see. > I do know that Gorteen, of all the Castlecomer villages, had the most Church of Ireland families. Mr. Wandesforde, who lived in > Castlecomer and who owned many of the coal mines, would routinely recruit miners from England to come to Comer. > Many would stay on, and live out their lives there. So it would be easy enough for two C of I people from Gorteen to marry, rather > than go outside their religion, what would be referred to then as a mixed marriage. Catholic/Protestant marriages would have been frowned on, just as they were, incredibly, among the immigrated Irish in NYC some 60 or 70 years later. > > Jack Langton > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: LOUGHLIN MICHAEL via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> > To: irl-kil-castlecomer <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Fri, Dec 26, 2014 1:37 pm > Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Roll Call - Loughlin, Brennan, Higgins, Bourke, Boyle, Taylor, Purcell. > > > Thanks for reviving this list > > Sorry it has taken till Christmas to respond. > > My grandfather Jack Loughlin was born in Cloneen in 1884 and emigrated to > NE England in about 1911. My grandmother's family also came from Clogh > parish. Her father Patrick Brennan was born in 1868 and most if not all > his family seem to have gone to NE England in the late 19th century. His > parents were both Brennans, Martin and Margaret, born 1841 Gorteen and > Curragh. My g grandmother Margaret Higgins was born in Clogh in 1870. Her > grandparents were John Higgins, Margaret Boyle (b.1815), Edward Burke and > Anne Brennan. If anyone had any connection with these I would be > interested. > > > On the Loughlin side both my great parents were called Loughlin - Laurence > Loughlin b 1848 married Mary Loughlin b 1856. I don't know whether they > were cousins but i would be interested to find out. My second great > grandparents were John Loughlin, Jane Taylor, Patrick Loughlin and Judith > Purcell - all born about 1805- 15ish. They married in Clogh in 1835 and > 1840 but there is little evidence of Loughlins in the area before that. I > am intrigued by the Taylor - which sounds English and there appear to have > been some Taylors in Church of Ireland records in Castlecomer at the time. > They had similar names (including a Samuel Taylor who was a witness at the > marriage in 1835) but they don't appear to be the same people. Does anyone > know whether 'mixed' marriages were common at the time? I suspect they > must have been. A Jane Taylor was baptised in 1851 in Clogh RC church > whose father was called Samuel and mother Jane Brennan. I am guessing he > was the witness at the Loughlin/Taylor marriage in 1835. There can't have > been that many Samuel Taylors about. But another Jane Taylor with a father > Samuel and mother Jane was baptised in the Church of Ireland in Castlecomer > a few months earlier. Could they have done both? I'd be interested if > anyone has any views on this. > > Michael Loughlin . > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone add to this family history ? > Mary) Ellen CONNELL > F, b. circa 1826, d. before 1880 > Father* ? William CONNELL O‘CONNELL/ > Mother* ? Ellen MEIGHAN O’MEEHAN/ > (Mary) Ellen CONNELL was buried at ?Castlecomer, Co. Kilkenny, Ireland. She was Roman Catholic. She > -She was probably baptized “Mary Ellen Connell” about 1826 near Castlecomer, County Kilkenny, Ireland. My initial study of the Catholic Baptismal Records for that parish failed to turn up a baptism for Ellen Connell, but there were a number of years with no entries. A couple who lived in the same place and had children who would have been both older and younger than Ellen were William Connell and Ellen Meighan. Although none of the Rowe’s living children were named William, Ellen was certainly a favorite female name — if Mary Ellen Connell’s mother was indeed Ellen Meighan, she would be the first of four generations by that name: Ellen Meighan, (Mary) Ellen Connell, Ellen Rowe, and Ellen Concannon! At this point it’s only a guess that William and Ellen are (Mary) Ellen’s parents — but it looks very likely to me. > -It is also clear that (Mary) Ellen’s family were part of that reaction against the old Irish surname prefixes that turned O’Connells into Connells. She was called (Mary) Ellen Connell when her marriage was registered in 1847. And, in a very good piece of evidence, named her eldest son “Thomas Connell Rowe.” Here is what an Irish surname reference tells us about this name: “Connell is among the twenty-five most common names in Ireland but is most popular in Munster [the province just to the southwest of Kilkenny where our Connell’s lived]. There the O’Connells, Gaelic O’Conaill, ‘descendant of Connell’, were driven out of their Kerry homeland by the O’Donoghues in the eleventh century. They settled under the MacCarthy Mór chiefs at Ballycarbery, Co. Kerry. Of this sept was Daniel O’Connell the ‘Liberator’. Because of his popularity and succeeding Gaelic revivals very many Connells resumed the O’ prefix, and O’Connells now outnumber Connells by more than four to one.” (p. 38) [In 1890 Connells outnumbered O’Connells by two to one.] > -(Mary) Ellen Connell married Robert Rowe in 1847. Her first child, Thomas, was born in July 1848. According to a Rowe history compiled by some of Thomas Connell Rowe’s descendants, his mother (Mary) Ellen Rowe gave birth to sixteen children, eight of whom grew to adulthood. [My research in the Castlecomer Catholic baptismal records turned up only ten children of Robert and (Mary) Ellen. But there could very easily have been a few more who died before being baptized or were baptized in another parish. The children whose baptisms are on record at Castlecomer were: Thomas, Ellen, Mary, Margaret, Robert (first of that name; died young), Anne, Kate, Laurence, John and Robert Jr.] > -Ellen (Connell) Rowe died sometime in the late 1860’s or early1870’s in Castlecomer, Co. Kilkenny, Ireland. The Rowe Family History mentioned above says she died “in her forties.” We should be able to find her death registered in the public records. On our next trip to Ireland we will try to find where she was buried — perhaps even a gravestone, though that is unlikely. Her married name was ROWE. She was born circa 1826 at ?near Castlecomer, Co. Kilkenny, Ireland. She married RobertROWE, son of ? Thomas (Tomas) ROWE O’ROWE (O’ RUAIDH)/ and ? Kate WALSH, on 21 October 1847 at Castlecomer, Co. Kilkenny, Ireland. (Mary) Ellen CONNELL died before 1880 at Dunagville, near Castlecomer, Co. Kilkenny, Ireland. > Family > Robert ROWE b. c 1820, d. 10 Aug 1892 > Children > Thomas ROWE+ b. 26 Jul 1848, d. 10 Nov 1919 > Ellen ROWE+ b. 1849 > Mary ROWE b. 1851 > Margaret ROWE+ b. 1852, d. 1913 > Robert ROWE b. 1854 > Anne ROWE b. 1857 > Katherine ('Kate') ROWE+ b. Mar 1859, d. 4 Oct 1938 > Laurence K. ROWE+ b. 1861, d. a 1920 > John ROWE b. 1862, d. ? 19 APR 1905 > Robert J. ROWE+ b. 1865, d. a 1920 Sent from my iPad Sent from my iPad > On Dec 26, 2014, at 9:40 AM, jacklangton via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Hi Michael, My father was from Cloneen but I am not connected with any of your lines as far as I can see. > I do know that Gorteen, of all the Castlecomer villages, had the most Church of Ireland families. Mr. Wandesforde, who lived in > Castlecomer and who owned many of the coal mines, would routinely recruit miners from England to come to Comer. > Many would stay on, and live out their lives there. So it would be easy enough for two C of I people from Gorteen to marry, rather > than go outside their religion, what would be referred to then as a mixed marriage. Catholic/Protestant marriages would have been frowned on, just as they were, incredibly, among the immigrated Irish in NYC some 60 or 70 years later. > > Jack Langton > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: LOUGHLIN MICHAEL via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> > To: irl-kil-castlecomer <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Fri, Dec 26, 2014 1:37 pm > Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Roll Call - Loughlin, Brennan, Higgins, Bourke, Boyle, Taylor, Purcell. > > > Thanks for reviving this list > > Sorry it has taken till Christmas to respond. > > My grandfather Jack Loughlin was born in Cloneen in 1884 and emigrated to > NE England in about 1911. My grandmother's family also came from Clogh > parish. Her father Patrick Brennan was born in 1868 and most if not all > his family seem to have gone to NE England in the late 19th century. His > parents were both Brennans, Martin and Margaret, born 1841 Gorteen and > Curragh. My g grandmother Margaret Higgins was born in Clogh in 1870. Her > grandparents were John Higgins, Margaret Boyle (b.1815), Edward Burke and > Anne Brennan. If anyone had any connection with these I would be > interested. > > > On the Loughlin side both my great parents were called Loughlin - Laurence > Loughlin b 1848 married Mary Loughlin b 1856. I don't know whether they > were cousins but i would be interested to find out. My second great > grandparents were John Loughlin, Jane Taylor, Patrick Loughlin and Judith > Purcell - all born about 1805- 15ish. They married in Clogh in 1835 and > 1840 but there is little evidence of Loughlins in the area before that. I > am intrigued by the Taylor - which sounds English and there appear to have > been some Taylors in Church of Ireland records in Castlecomer at the time. > They had similar names (including a Samuel Taylor who was a witness at the > marriage in 1835) but they don't appear to be the same people. Does anyone > know whether 'mixed' marriages were common at the time? I suspect they > must have been. A Jane Taylor was baptised in 1851 in Clogh RC church > whose father was called Samuel and mother Jane Brennan. I am guessing he > was the witness at the Loughlin/Taylor marriage in 1835. There can't have > been that many Samuel Taylors about. But another Jane Taylor with a father > Samuel and mother Jane was baptised in the Church of Ireland in Castlecomer > a few months earlier. Could they have done both? I'd be interested if > anyone has any views on this. > > Michael Loughlin . > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for reviving this list Sorry it has taken till Christmas to respond. My grandfather Jack Loughlin was born in Cloneen in 1884 and emigrated to NE England in about 1911. My grandmother's family also came from Clogh parish. Her father Patrick Brennan was born in 1868 and most if not all his family seem to have gone to NE England in the late 19th century. His parents were both Brennans, Martin and Margaret, born 1841 Gorteen and Curragh. My g grandmother Margaret Higgins was born in Clogh in 1870. Her grandparents were John Higgins, Margaret Boyle (b.1815), Edward Burke and Anne Brennan. If anyone had any connection with these I would be interested. On the Loughlin side both my great parents were called Loughlin - Laurence Loughlin b 1848 married Mary Loughlin b 1856. I don't know whether they were cousins but i would be interested to find out. My second great grandparents were John Loughlin, Jane Taylor, Patrick Loughlin and Judith Purcell - all born about 1805- 15ish. They married in Clogh in 1835 and 1840 but there is little evidence of Loughlins in the area before that. I am intrigued by the Taylor - which sounds English and there appear to have been some Taylors in Church of Ireland records in Castlecomer at the time. They had similar names (including a Samuel Taylor who was a witness at the marriage in 1835) but they don't appear to be the same people. Does anyone know whether 'mixed' marriages were common at the time? I suspect they must have been. A Jane Taylor was baptised in 1851 in Clogh RC church whose father was called Samuel and mother Jane Brennan. I am guessing he was the witness at the Loughlin/Taylor marriage in 1835. There can't have been that many Samuel Taylors about. But another Jane Taylor with a father Samuel and mother Jane was baptised in the Church of Ireland in Castlecomer a few months earlier. Could they have done both? I'd be interested if anyone has any views on this. Michael Loughlin . How to do a roll call: 1. Put surname only in subject 2. In the body, give info about your ancestor -name -year of birth -place they lived, if known -any other data that you think is pertinent and will help others recognize someone who may be related to them -any questions about research that you may have After I send this, I will put together a post for my Castlecomer ancestors and get it started. On 7 November 2014 at 08:00, <irl-kil-castlecomer-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. New list admin (Pat Connors) > 2. Boyle, Rynard, Booth, Hill (Pat Connors) > 3. Re: New list admin (jacklangton@aol.com) > 4. Healy, Walsh/Welsh (jennm2003218@aol.com) > 5. Roll Call - LANGTON, BRENNAN (ROE) (jacklangton@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 10:19:03 -0800 > From: Pat Connors <nymets22@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] New list admin > To: irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAH= > koua_rC4cy8UDwbAyETQDHhehPQfLetUuP0bdmcmkuxReqA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Since a couple of weeks ago, I have contacted Rootsweb to see who was the > admin of this list and found that he/she was not responding to Rootsweb's > emails so they waited a couple of weeks and put the list up for adoption. > I adopted it an now I am the list admin. However, if someone on the list > would like to admin it, let me know off the list and I will gladly turn it > over to you. It is not a hard job and I will also help if you need it. > > In the meantime lets do a roll call. We have 80 members so can I expect 80 > roll calls? > > How to do a roll call: > 1. Put surname only in subject > 2. In the body, give info about your ancestor > -name > -year of birth > -place they lived, if known > -any other data that you think is pertinent and will help others recognize > someone who may be related to them > -any questions about research that you may have > > After I send this, I will put together a post for my Castlecomer ancestors > and get it started. > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, list admin > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > nymets22@gmail.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 10:30:20 -0800 > From: Pat Connors <nymets22@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Boyle, Rynard, Booth, Hill > To: irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAH=kouah+TgfCOtKy3AjCURcFQFrLMhBzYCdrrU= > YdgXstTL6A@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > All were from the Castlecomer Civil Parish. Boyle and Booth ended up in > Thorold, Ontario, Canada near the Niagara Falls. > > BOYLE: > John born in Gurteen in 1810, parents were Martin Boyle and Mary Rynard; > they had two other sons, Martin and Robert > > RYNARD: > See above, found in both the tithes and the Griffith's valuation in Gorteen > > > BOOTH: > John Booth and Mary Hill were married in Castlecomer Parish in 1801 > Marriage and children baptisms don't give place but they are found in > tithes and GV in Gorteen. > They had seven children baptized 1811 to 1823 > > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > nymets22@gmail.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 14:32:13 -0500 > From: jacklangton@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] New list admin > To: nymets22@gmail.com, irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8D1C80F7FC2D4F8-1E44-37DF@webmail-va087.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Jim Bradley was the list admin for quite awhile. He had a crusty sense of > humor, and never used two words where one would do. > He was once very active on the list, but I haven't seen a post from him > in years. If anyone knows of Jim's well-being, please drop > a line. (Pat, will send my roll call shortly. Thanks for taking over the > list.) Jack Langton > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Connors via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> > To: irl-kil-castlecomer <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Nov 6, 2014 1:20 pm > Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] New list admin > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 21:24:29 -0500 > From: jennm2003218@aol.com > Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Healy, Walsh/Welsh > To: nymets22@gmail.com, irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8D1C84918134D6B-958-5C97@webmail-va021.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > James J. Healy born around 1877. Parents were Martin Healy & Mary Walsh > (or Welsh?) They all came over to New York in 1882 or 83, James also had > a sister named Margaret. They ended up in Elizabeth NJ. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 21:48:18 -0500 > From: jacklangton@aol.com > Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Roll Call - LANGTON, BRENNAN (ROE) > To: irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8D1C84C6BEC3C46-9F0-6FBF@webmail-m289.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > LANGTON - Clogh, Cloneen, Moneenroe to NE Pennsylvania 1n 1881, to New > York City in 1930 > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER list administrator, send an email to > IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER mailing list, send an email > to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER Digest, Vol 9, Issue 10 > ************************************************** >

Hi Michael, My father was from Cloneen but I am not connected with any of your lines as far as I can see. I do know that Gorteen, of all the Castlecomer villages, had the most Church of Ireland families. Mr. Wandesforde, who lived in Castlecomer and who owned many of the coal mines, would routinely recruit miners from England to come to Comer. Many would stay on, and live out their lives there. So it would be easy enough for two C of I people from Gorteen to marry, rather than go outside their religion, what would be referred to then as a mixed marriage. Catholic/Protestant marriages would have been frowned on, just as they were, incredibly, among the immigrated Irish in NYC some 60 or 70 years later. Jack Langton -----Original Message----- From: LOUGHLIN MICHAEL via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> To: irl-kil-castlecomer <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Dec 26, 2014 1:37 pm Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Roll Call - Loughlin, Brennan, Higgins, Bourke, Boyle, Taylor, Purcell. Thanks for reviving this list Sorry it has taken till Christmas to respond. My grandfather Jack Loughlin was born in Cloneen in 1884 and emigrated to NE England in about 1911. My grandmother's family also came from Clogh parish. Her father Patrick Brennan was born in 1868 and most if not all his family seem to have gone to NE England in the late 19th century. His parents were both Brennans, Martin and Margaret, born 1841 Gorteen and Curragh. My g grandmother Margaret Higgins was born in Clogh in 1870. Her grandparents were John Higgins, Margaret Boyle (b.1815), Edward Burke and Anne Brennan. If anyone had any connection with these I would be interested. On the Loughlin side both my great parents were called Loughlin - Laurence Loughlin b 1848 married Mary Loughlin b 1856. I don't know whether they were cousins but i would be interested to find out. My second great grandparents were John Loughlin, Jane Taylor, Patrick Loughlin and Judith Purcell - all born about 1805- 15ish. They married in Clogh in 1835 and 1840 but there is little evidence of Loughlins in the area before that. I am intrigued by the Taylor - which sounds English and there appear to have been some Taylors in Church of Ireland records in Castlecomer at the time. They had similar names (including a Samuel Taylor who was a witness at the marriage in 1835) but they don't appear to be the same people. Does anyone know whether 'mixed' marriages were common at the time? I suspect they must have been. A Jane Taylor was baptised in 1851 in Clogh RC church whose father was called Samuel and mother Jane Brennan. I am guessing he was the witness at the Loughlin/Taylor marriage in 1835. There can't have been that many Samuel Taylors about. But another Jane Taylor with a father Samuel and mother Jane was baptised in the Church of Ireland in Castlecomer a few months earlier. Could they have done both? I'd be interested if anyone has any views on this. Michael Loughlin .

Hi Ann, Patrick Foley's obit is as follows: Shamokin News Dispatch Wed. Dec. 9, 1936 Page 2 Patrick Foley, 65, well-known resident of 603 North Franklin Street, died of a complication of diseases at his home at 7:30 last evening, after a lingering illness. A year ago Mr. Foley retired from work because of ill health, but it was not until two months ago that his condition became serious. Mr. Foley was born in Ireland, the son of Mr. and Mrs. Michael Foley, and emigrated to America when a young man. He moved to Shamokin where he has since resided. Mr. Foley was employed as crossing watchman for the Reading Company. He worked at the Eighth Street and Shamokin Street crossings. Surviving are the following children: Mrs. Michael Keegan of Shamokin; Mrs. Catherine Trainer; Edward, Frank and Gerald at home; Mrs. Dorothy Fletcher of Philadelphia, and William of New York. A brother William of Kulpmont, eight grandchildren and a great-grandson also survive. His wife, Mary Buckley, preceded him in death 14 years ago. The funeral will be Friday morning at 8:30 from St. Edward's Church. Burial will be in the parish cemetery. (Note: The name of St. Edward's Church has been changed to Mother Cabrini Church. The name of the cemetery is still St. Edward's.) Jack Langton -----Original Message----- From: Yezerski, Ann <AnnYezerski@kings.edu> To: jacklangton <jacklangton@aol.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 19, 2014 11:06 am Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] FOLEY DOYLE ROWLEY I got all of his current information from various sources via Ancestry.com. But now I'm at a dead end. If the obituary has information about relatives, I would love to have it! Thanks for responding, Ann Sent from my iPad On Nov 18, 2014, at 2:09 PM, "jacklangton@aol.com" <jacklangton@aol.com> wrote: Hi Ann, Patrick Foley's obit appears in the Shamokin News-Dispatch, 1936, but I suppose you have that since you have his DOD. If not I can send you the details. (The site is Newspapers.com, a subscription site.) This year, through another cousin, I was put in touch with Kathy, from NYC, who was related to Patrick Foley, I'll try to find my notes on our conversation. Jack Langton -----Original Message----- From: Ann via <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> To: IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER <IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Nov 17, 2014 10:33 pm Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] FOLEY DOYLE ROWLEY Hello, I am trying to trace some family roots that harken back to Castlecomer. Specifically, I am looking for the immediate family of Patrick Foley (1866-1936) who was born in Castlecomer, but ended up in the Coal Regions of Pennsylvania (Shamokin) where he married his cousin, Mary Buckley. Patrick’s father was Michael Foley (1834-1893) and his mother was Mary Doyle (1840-1894). Michael’s father was James Foley (1797-1888), but we’re not sure if James’ wife was Bridget Hoban or Catherine McEvoy. Mary Doyle’s parents were Edward Doyle and Mary Rowley. Any and all information would be greatly appreciated! Ann Yezerski, Ph.D. Professor Biology Department King's College [1]annyezerski@kings.edu References 1. mailto:annyezerski@kings.edu ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message