I have seen references in Co. Kilkenny and Castlecomer records in the early 1800's to tenancies measured in "lives." I remember enough old property law to know that a person's tenancy was often measured in terms of the lives of (usually) 3 other people. I believe it had some basis in the old common law rule against perpetuities. My question is this--at the expiration of the tenancy, when all the measuring lives were dead, were any legal papers filed that noted the transfer or reversion of the property? My thinking is that, if an ancestor is noted as one of the "lives," his date of death could be recorded in a land document somewhere. I did see references in the Wandesforde papers where Wandesforde directed his agents to see if certain people used as measuring lives were still in fact alive, but I did not see any papers/or deeds dealing with the property transfers. Where would such papers be kept? Deb DEBORAH LARGE FOX Read my blog for Irish research tips: "Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors!" http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com

The death has occurred of Pat RYAN of Maryville, Castlecomer, Kilkenny Reposing at his residence, with rosary tonight, Saturday, at 9pm at his residence. Funeral Prayers on Sunday morning at 10.30am, followed by removal to the Church of the Immaculate Conception, Castlecomer for Funeral Mass at 11.30am. Burial afterwards in the adjoining cemetery. Date published: Saturday, February 13, 2010 Date of death: Friday, February 12, 2010

>From RIP.ie The death has occurred of Michael (Mick) DUNPHY of Kilkenny Street, Castlecomer, Kilkenny Funeral Prayers in Coady's Funeral Home, Castlecomer tomorrow, Thursday evening, at 6pm followed by removal to the Church of the Immaculate Conception, Castlecomer. Requiem Mass on Friday morning at 11am. Burial afterwards in the adjoining cemetery. Rosary this Wednesday evening at 8pm in Coady's Funeral Home. Date published: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 Date of death: Tuesday, February 09, 2010

Thank you very much Mary for all these details. I am interested in the various people mentioned as it seems some of the Crennans went to USA and some to Australia about the same time. But there were only a few Crennan families in Castlecomer area and none elsewhere really so they are all related back to castlecomer. Mary C. Taferner wrote: > Elaine, I do not have more information on Crennans in Ireland, except that they probably came from the Castlecomer area ( Loan ) where Patrick Cummings family lived. Patrick Cummings died Dec. 12, 1915 in Shenandoah, Pa. His death certificate states that he was a widower, so Margaret predeceased him. I do have a picture of Margaret Crennan Cummings and her family. There is an obituary for Margarets brother Lawrence who died in Mahanoy City about August 4, 1905. In that obituary, it states that he is survived by several sisters: > Mrs. Michael Wade of Shenandoah > Mrs. Felix Quinn ( not sure if she lived in Shenandoah or Mahanoy City ) > Mrs. Patrick Cummings of Jacksons > Mrs. John O'Brien of Coles > Mrs. Julie Dunn of Coles > Mrs. Lizzie Doyle of Philadelphia. > Internment at St Kyrans cemetery in Hecksherville > > Mary > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I think someone on the list has the indexed version of the 1901 census in Castlecomer book. I was hoping to get a lookup on the following family most likely living in Moneenroe Laurence Brennan c.1840 age approx 61 in 1901 [Brennan Rush] Ellen Brennan (wife) c.1845 age approx 56 in 1901 [Originally Ellen Neill] Marcella Brennan (mary) b 1875 age approx 26 in 1901 William Brennan b 1877 age approx 24 in 1901 Michael Brennan b 1879 age approx 22 in 1901 Elizabeth Brennan b 1883 age approx 18 in 1901 There may be other children after Elizabeth that I haven't found in the records. Any help greatly appreciated Tom.

Tom, There are two Laurence Brennan in the 1901 census in the Castlecomer area. Neither is from Moneenroe, one 1s 69, the 0ther 44. The closest match I could see is the following: Cottage #87, Moneenroe Ellen Brennan, Head, 60, Farmer, Widow Andy Brennan, Son, 30, Coalminer John Brennan, Son, 28, Coalminer Mary Brennan, Daughter, 25 William Brennan, Son, 22, Coachman I have no church records after 1880, and no record of a Marcella (Mary) birth. William Brennan, born Oct 15, 1877/baptized Oct21, parents Laurence Brennan/Ellen Neil, witnesses Jno (?) Boyle/Margaret Boyle Michael Brennan, born July 18, 1879/baptized July 20, parents Lau Brennan/Ellen Neil, witnesses Wm Cosgrove (?)//Ellen Neil (?) Jack Langton

hello Mary Thanks for this information. I am wondering if you have any further details of the person who married patrick Cummings ie Margaret Crennan. I am interested in the Crennans of Castlecomer area 3 parties of whom came to Australia in the 1840-1870 period. Thank you Elaine Hoppper Melbourne Australia. Mary C. Taferner wrote: > Deb, > In answer to your query, some members of the Cummings/Cummins family that emigrated to Schuylkill County lived in Jacksons Patch. Patrick Cummings, his wife Margaret (Crennan ) Cummings and four of their children, Lawrence, William, John and Philip. > Patrick Cummings had emigrated from the Castlecomer area in County Kilkenny...a small town called Loan ( or Lowan ) in Castlecomer/Clough area . I have a list of baptisms from this area ( done by an Irish researcher years ago ). I will be happy to post this list to you. This was done for Cummins /Cummings and Lawler families , but lists many others who were baptismal sponsers and their places of residence. Many of these names are the same names often mentioned in Schuylkill Co. > Mary > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Elaine, I do not have more information on Crennans in Ireland, except that they probably came from the Castlecomer area ( Loan ) where Patrick Cummings family lived. Patrick Cummings died Dec. 12, 1915 in Shenandoah, Pa. His death certificate states that he was a widower, so Margaret predeceased him. I do have a picture of Margaret Crennan Cummings and her family. There is an obituary for Margarets brother Lawrence who died in Mahanoy City about August 4, 1905. In that obituary, it states that he is survived by several sisters: Mrs. Michael Wade of Shenandoah Mrs. Felix Quinn ( not sure if she lived in Shenandoah or Mahanoy City ) Mrs. Patrick Cummings of Jacksons Mrs. John O'Brien of Coles Mrs. Julie Dunn of Coles Mrs. Lizzie Doyle of Philadelphia. Internment at St Kyrans cemetery in Hecksherville Mary

For the last several weeks i've been checking on a website called KILKENNY ALIVE, which has all the latest news about the county and it's townlands. Castlecomer seems to be well represented, but it does a good coverage of all. Sports, gossip, death notices, etc. I have no personal connection to the site. _http://kilkennyalive.com/_ (http://kilkennyalive.com/) Jack Langton

Many thanks Mary Jim >----Original Message---- >From: mimideeb@comcast.net >Date: 06/02/2010 16:55 >To: <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> >Subj: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Baptisms in Clough and Castlecomer parish as requested > >Here is what I have for the Parish of Clough and Castlecomer. This list was done for Cummings/Cummings and Lawler families. However, many baptismal sponsers are on the list as well as place of residence.: Spelling is as it was listed in the record: > >November 6, 1831 >A son Philip to Michael Cummins and Catherine Lawless of Loan. Sponsers are Michael Beavers and Catherine Crenan. >( The researcher believes there is an error in the entry and the correct name of the bride is Margaret Lawler ) > >June 15, 1834 >a Daughter Bridget to Michael Commins and Margaret Lawles ( Lawler ) of Looan. Sponsers : Henery Murphy and Judy Murphy. > >August 28,1835 >A daughter Ellen to John Lawler and Jane Ryan of Lowain. >Sponsers: Nicholas Keravic and Bridget Brenan > >Mar. 5, 1837 >Judy to Mike Commins and Margaret Lawler of Lowan >Sponsers: James Murphy and Catherine Murphy > > >Dec. 21,1837 >Patrick to Malachy Lalor and Jane Ryan of Lowan >Sponsers:Peter Brenan and Bridget Crenan. > >Aug. 30, 1840 >Patt , son to Michael Cummins and Margaret Lalor of Lowan. Sponsers: Pat Ryan and Mary Brennan. > >Mar. 14, 1842 >Hanoria, daughter to Martin Lawler and Judith Gaffney of Lowan. Sponsers: William Lawless and Mary Brennan. > >May 25, 1829 >Thomas, a son to Lary lalor and Jane Ryan of Loan >Sponsers John Brenan and Mary Hardan. > >June 12, 1814 >James, a son to Andrew Kiervick and Catherine Horahan, of Clooneen. Sponsers: Patt Close and Mary Neal. > >July 11 1814 >Catherine, a daughter to Don Lalor and Catherine Muldowny of Feroda. Sponsers:John Brenan and Anne Dermer. > >July 25, 1815 >Judith to Michael Lawler and Mary Hoban of Clough. >Sponsers:Martin Keery and Honor Muldowny. > >Mar. 7, 1815 >Catherine to Peter Lawler and Mary Taylor of Clooneen. >Sponsers:Martin Hennessy and Nancy Hennessy. > >July 29,1815 > Mary to Lott. Lawler and Catherine Brenan of Lowan. >Sponsers: James Cahill and Margaret Phelan > >Jan. 28, 1817 >Patrick to Andrew Kerwick and Catherine Holahan of Clooneen. Sponsers: Patrick Keyes and Catherine Brenan > >Mar. 18,1817 >Mary, daughter to James Lawler and Mary Lawler, of Moneenroe. Sponer: Nancy Fogarty > >This is what I have for this parish. I have a few more fromGraiguemanagh and a few fron Callan which I will post later. I hope this will help some people on the list > > Mary > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL- CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Mary, Thanks very much for the list of Loan, Castlecomer baptisms. I have Brenan/Brennan in the family tree (what person of Castlecomer descent doesn't?), and Lawler, and seeing as how my dad was born in Cloneen I will give the names a serious once-over twice. Jack Langton

Here is what I have for the Parish of Clough and Castlecomer. This list was done for Cummings/Cummings and Lawler families. However, many baptismal sponsers are on the list as well as place of residence.: Spelling is as it was listed in the record: November 6, 1831 A son Philip to Michael Cummins and Catherine Lawless of Loan. Sponsers are Michael Beavers and Catherine Crenan. ( The researcher believes there is an error in the entry and the correct name of the bride is Margaret Lawler ) June 15, 1834 a Daughter Bridget to Michael Commins and Margaret Lawles ( Lawler ) of Looan. Sponsers : Henery Murphy and Judy Murphy. August 28,1835 A daughter Ellen to John Lawler and Jane Ryan of Lowain. Sponsers: Nicholas Keravic and Bridget Brenan Mar. 5, 1837 Judy to Mike Commins and Margaret Lawler of Lowan Sponsers: James Murphy and Catherine Murphy Dec. 21,1837 Patrick to Malachy Lalor and Jane Ryan of Lowan Sponsers:Peter Brenan and Bridget Crenan. Aug. 30, 1840 Patt , son to Michael Cummins and Margaret Lalor of Lowan. Sponsers: Pat Ryan and Mary Brennan. Mar. 14, 1842 Hanoria, daughter to Martin Lawler and Judith Gaffney of Lowan. Sponsers: William Lawless and Mary Brennan. May 25, 1829 Thomas, a son to Lary lalor and Jane Ryan of Loan Sponsers John Brenan and Mary Hardan. June 12, 1814 James, a son to Andrew Kiervick and Catherine Horahan, of Clooneen. Sponsers: Patt Close and Mary Neal. July 11 1814 Catherine, a daughter to Don Lalor and Catherine Muldowny of Feroda. Sponsers:John Brenan and Anne Dermer. July 25, 1815 Judith to Michael Lawler and Mary Hoban of Clough. Sponsers:Martin Keery and Honor Muldowny. Mar. 7, 1815 Catherine to Peter Lawler and Mary Taylor of Clooneen. Sponsers:Martin Hennessy and Nancy Hennessy. July 29,1815 Mary to Lott. Lawler and Catherine Brenan of Lowan. Sponsers: James Cahill and Margaret Phelan Jan. 28, 1817 Patrick to Andrew Kerwick and Catherine Holahan of Clooneen. Sponsers:Patrick Keyes and Catherine Brenan Mar. 18,1817 Mary, daughter to James Lawler and Mary Lawler, of Moneenroe. Sponer: Nancy Fogarty This is what I have for this parish. I have a few more fromGraiguemanagh and a few fron Callan which I will post later. I hope this will help some people on the list Mary

Hi Mary any chance you would post this list to the list. Jim >----Original Message---- >From: mimideeb@comcast.net >Date: 03/02/2010 20:54 >To: <IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER@rootsweb.com> >Subj: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Castlecomer immigrants to Jacksons patch > >Deb, > In answer to your query, some members of the Cummings/Cummins family that emigrated to Schuylkill County lived in Jacksons Patch. Patrick Cummings, his wife Margaret (Crennan ) Cummings and four of their children, Lawrence, William, John and Philip. > Patrick Cummings had emigrated from the Castlecomer area in County Kilkenny...a small town called Loan ( or Lowan ) in Castlecomer/Clough area . I have a list of baptisms from this area ( done by an Irish researcher years ago ). I will be happy to post this list to you. This was done for Cummins /Cummings and Lawler families , but lists many others who were baptismal sponsers and their places of residence. Many of these names are the same names often mentioned in Schuylkill Co. > Mary > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL- CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 2/5/2010 8:53:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, flatbrad@tiscali.co.uk writes: Hi Mary any chance you would post this list to the list. Jim Mary, I second Jim Bradley's enquiry. If at all convenient, would it be possible to post the Loan baptisms to the list? Jack Langton

Hi, Since you have a list of baptisms for people of Lowan, would you be so kind as . to check for any Muldowneys. John Muldowney and Maria Dempsey were married in Lowan September 29, 1838. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary C. Taferner" <mimideeb@comcast.net> To: <IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 3:54 PM Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Castlecomer immigrants to Jacksons patch > Deb, > In answer to your query, some members of the Cummings/Cummins > family that emigrated to Schuylkill County lived in Jacksons Patch. > Patrick Cummings, his wife Margaret (Crennan ) Cummings and four of their > children, Lawrence, William, John and Philip. > Patrick Cummings had emigrated from the Castlecomer area in County > Kilkenny...a small town called Loan ( or Lowan ) in Castlecomer/Clough > area . I have a list of baptisms from this area ( done by an Irish > researcher years ago ). I will be happy to post this list to you. This > was done for Cummins /Cummings and Lawler families , but lists many others > who were baptismal sponsers and their places of residence. Many of > these names are the same names often mentioned in Schuylkill Co. > > Mary > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Mary, for the information on Jacksons. I would definitely be interested in a baptismal list from Loan, as I have seen some family names in that area. I am interested in LARGE, BOWE, KELLY, and KAVANAGH in the area. Has the list ever been published to this mailing list, or is it too long? If it has, I could try to find it in the archives. Deb DEBORAH LARGE FOX Read my blog for Irish research tips: "Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors!" http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com

Deb, In answer to your query, some members of the Cummings/Cummins family that emigrated to Schuylkill County lived in Jacksons Patch. Patrick Cummings, his wife Margaret (Crennan ) Cummings and four of their children, Lawrence, William, John and Philip. Patrick Cummings had emigrated from the Castlecomer area in County Kilkenny...a small town called Loan ( or Lowan ) in Castlecomer/Clough area . I have a list of baptisms from this area ( done by an Irish researcher years ago ). I will be happy to post this list to you. This was done for Cummins /Cummings and Lawler families , but lists many others who were baptismal sponsers and their places of residence. Many of these names are the same names often mentioned in Schuylkill Co. Mary

The death has occurred of Annie LOVE, (née Maher) of Cloneen, Clogh, Castlecomer, Kilkenny Reposing at her residence with Funeral Prayers this Tuesday evening at 7pm, followed by removal to St Patrick's Church, Clogh. Requiem Mass tomorrow, Wednesday morning, at 11am. Burial afterwards in the adjoining cemetery. Date published: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 Date of death: Monday, February 01, 2010

Deb, Glad to help, actually it was your original question concerning the intriguingly named Tuscarora and Jackson's Patch that led me to look further. I have bookmarked the site and plan to read much further, since Kilkenny names are mentioned frequently. As you say, how nice to have it on-line. And congratulations on your genealogy blog. A lot more informative than many I read. Jack Langton

You better duck, Jack, I am running your way with a BIG bear hug LOL The Dewees book is such a find! And online at that! I will also pass on the link to a young man I know who is a law student doing research into posthumous pardons for some of the Mollies. I have not found any of my Castlecomer people mentioned as a Molly, but in Tuscarora, the Mollies secretly met in a house that was almost right next door from my Richard Large, from what I have been told. **************** DEBORAH LARGE FOX My Blog: "Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors!" http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com