In writing my blog post today on researching Irish genealogy on You Tube, I noticed that Mr. Coffey (COFLUN channel on You Tube) has uploaded more Castlecomer, Co. Kilkenny, videos. I have place a link to his video channel at the end of the blog posting. There is also a link to the Teapot Genies' channel, which includes an interview with a clergyman in Co. Kilkenny. http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com Deb DEBORAH LARGE FOX Read my blog for Irish research tips: "Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors!" http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com

I was searching on Google books for something else and came across The History and Antiquities of the Diocese of Ossory by Wm Carrigan. The section on Castlecomer begins on page 156. There are many names throughout. Of particular interest is a list of names of people buried in the ancient church of the Holy Cross, which, I believe, was the old RC church torn down by the first Lord Wandesforde (I might be a little fuzzy on my history). Those names are found on pp. 159-60. There is also a list of "Mass stations" with names on page 163. I will paste the link, but if it does not work, try using "Carrigan" and "history" and "Ossory" as search terms. You will also turn up other books of interest on Kilkenny and Castlecomer. You might also try "Healy" and "History" and either "Ossory" or "Kilkenny" because some of his books appear to be valuable. The link to the Carrigan book: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=L4UNAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=carrigan+ossory&cd=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false Deb DEBORAH LARGE FOX Read my blog for Irish research tips: "Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors!" http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com

McGRATH (Clogh, Castlecomer, Co. Kilkenny) March 22, 2010, (peacefully), at Castlecomer District Hospital, Lucy; deeply regretted by her loving sisters Margaret, Cathleen, Nora, Phyllis and Sr. Monica, her brothers Paddy and Fr. James, brothers-in-law, nieces, nephews, nieces-in-law, nephews-in-law, grandnieces, grandnephews, relatives and friends. May she rest in peace. Removal this (Wednesday) evening after Prayers at 7 o'c. from Coady's Funeral Home, Castlecomer to St. Patrick's Church, Clogh. Funeral Mass tomorrow (Thursday) at 12 o'c. Burial afterwards in the adjoining cemetery. Publish Date: 24th March 2010 Published in: Irish

HEALY (171A S.O.S. Retirement Home, Sycamores, Kilkenny and Croghtenclough, Castlecomer) March 24, 2010, at St. Luke's Hospital, Kilkenny, Betty, daughter of the late Patrick and Margaret and sister of the late Bishop Robert (Perth) and James (Ballyrafton); deeply regretted by her sisters Brigid Murphy (Trim), Mary Burke (Carlow), brothers John (Dublin), Martin (Croghtenclough), sisters-in-law, brother-in-law, nieces, nephews, extended family, friends, residents and staff of S.O.S., Kilkenny. R.I.P. Reposing at Coady's Funeral Home, Castlecomer today (Friday) from 3 o'c. with Funeral Prayers at 5.45 o'c., followed by Removal to St. Brigid's Church, Coon. Requiem Mass tomorrow (Saturday) at 11 o'c., followed by Burial in the adjoining cemetery. Family flowers only. Donations, if desired, to S.O.S., Kilkenny Ltd. Publish Date: 26th March 2010 Published in: Irish Independent

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I initially looked at the Ormonde book while doing a google books search for "Kilkenny." I saw the list that Pat found in it, but haven't had the time to figure out what exactly why the people were on the list. They were not all Kilkenny people, as Pat said, they were from all over Ireland. If any list members discover nuggets of information like Pat did in the book, I would love to know. What I did is I downloaded the book as a pdf file and then put it as a shortcut on my desktop. I am going to build a little desktop library of these books that I find. Any members that have found other books similar to the Ormonde Kilkenny one, please post about it. Here is the link again for anyone who might have missed the earlier discussion: http://books.google.com/books?id=u6hAAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=kilkenny&ei=dx2IS9z1KqLAzQTE6Mj-DQ&cd=7#v=onepage&q=&f=false Thanks, Jack for that Geneabloggers link. And, for your continuing support! I started the blog to replace a little newsletter I had been sending out to people at my talks. (Well, really I began it out of sheer boredom while I was confined to home after the surgery! LOL) I want the blog to be as much "news" as possible and not just fluffy "navel gazing" (not that there is anything wrong with fluff!), so I would love to hear from any list members with topics, ideas, or questions. Deb DEBORAH LARGE FOX Read my blog for Irish research tips: "Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors!" http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com

Hi Deb, Thanks for the tip on the Ormonde manuscripts book on Google books. I saw your blog entry this week on _http://www.geneabloggers.com/genealogy-blogs-march-6-2010/_ (http://www.geneabloggers.com/genealogy-blogs-march-6-2010/) a site I had not been familiar with, having to do with the Wandesforde papers etc. You are well on your way to one of those blog lists, mark my words. Jack Langton

While researching for my blog, I came across this book on Google book search, and realized that it had tons and tons of names from all over Ireland. http://books.google.com/books?id=u6hAAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=kilkenny&ei=dx2IS9z1KqLAzQTE6Mj-DQ&cd=7#v=onepage&q=&f=false DEBORAH LARGE FOX Read my blog for Irish research tips: "Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors!" http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com

The death has taken place in Delaware, USA of Rita Forster (Nee Dowling) formerly of Donaguile. Born into a large family she emigrated to America in her teens. There she was to spend the rest of her life but she never forgot her roots and always kept in touch with events on Deenside. She took a great interest in gardening and had a special grá for Irish dancing. How fitting it was to see a pair of dancing pomes form part of the Offertory Procession at the Requiem Mass. She was laid to rest in the Parish Cemetery after Requiem Mass celebrated in the Church of the Immaculate Conception by Fr. Tom Corcoran C.C. Castlecomer assisted by Monsignor Ryan P.P. Castlecomer. She is survived by her husband Mike ; son Michael ; daughters Katherine, Laura ; brothers Joe, John, Paddy, Noel, Michael, Liam, Seamus ; sisters Lily, Annie, Julie, Helen, Bridget, Bernie, Kathleen ; grandchildren Valerie, Rebekah, Caitlin, Matthew, Patrick, Erik, Travis, David, Ronan, Declan ; other relatives and a large circle of friends. Date of this item added : 2010-03-05

Jack, I'm blushing! LOL Thanks for the kind words! To all list members, I am going to be using my gmail address in the future because I am having difficulty sending email. Please use deborahlargefox@gmail.com for any off-list correspondence. I apologize for the inconvenience, but I have been having major email problems. I'll be unsubscribing to the list and re-subscribing under the gmail address to avoid confusion, but that might take me a couple of days. Deb Help! The Faery Folk Hid My Ancestors! http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com

ROWE (Rochestown House, Upper Sallynoggin, Dun Laoghaire, Co. Dublin and formerly of Coultha House, Clogh, Castlecomer, Co. Kilkenny) March 1, 2010, Hannah Mary (Moira) (peacefully) at her home, in her 85th year (registered sick children's nurse, 1947), beloved sister of Peggy and the late John and Patricia; sadly missed by her sister, sister-in-law, brother-in-law, nephews, nieces, cousins, relatives, neighbours and friends. R.I.P. Removal from St. Columcille's Hospital, Loughlinstown tomorrow (Friday) following prayers at 11 o'c. to St. Patrick's Church, Clogh arriving for Requiem Mass at 2 o'c. Burial immediately afterwards in adjoining cemetery. No flowers please. Donations, if desired, to the Childrens University Hospital, Temple Street. Publish Date: 4th March 2010 Published in: Irish Independent

Hi all, The prestigious EASTMAN ONLINE GENEALOGY NEWSLETTER has a glowing review today for the blog published by Debbie Large Fox, one of our own, called HELP! THE FAERIE FOLK HID MY ANCESTORS!, i'm sure you'll all be delighted to know. You can see the review etc. at the Eastman site: _http://blog.eogn.com/_ (http://blog.eogn.com/) Jack Langton

Thanks to Maire for alerting us to that great video! Mr. Coffey has posted other videos of the area as well-- if list members click on his You Tube "channel" you can view them all. I often forget that You Tube can be a genealogical and historical source and not just a place to find and post cat and travel videos (I plead guilty to that). Right away, I noticed the Jacksons Patch photo! I would be very interested in knowing what book the page is from? Deb DEBORAH LARGE FOX Read my blog for Irish research tips: "Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors!" http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com

Tis excellent! Cheers Lee Ms Lee O'Mahoney QIMR  Records & Information Services Ph:    +61 7 3845 3749       Library Catalogue: http://qimr.intersearch.com.au/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl -----Original Message----- From: irl-kil-castlecomer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kil-castlecomer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of irl-kil-castlecomer-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 26 February 2010 6:01 PM To: irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com Subject: IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER Digest, Vol 5, Issue 22 Today's Topics: 1. Castlecomer (Maire Downey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:16:50 -0000 From: "Maire Downey" <mairedowney31@eircom.net> Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Castlecomer To: <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <409C07A3DEC04C98A53F76913EC63D76@downey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jack, Some people on your list might be interested in viewing the following pictures of Castlecomer compiled by John Coffee of Clogh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ozcKYrOqvc M?ire Downey ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER list administrator, send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER mailing list, send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER Digest, Vol 5, Issue 22 **************************************************

In a message dated 2/25/2010 6:17:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mairedowney31@eircom.net writes: Some people on your list might be interested in viewing the following pictures of Castlecomer compiled by John Coffee of Clogh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ozcKYrOqvc Hi Maire, Thank you for the reminder, I had tried many times to view the video by John but it always got frozen, only a few seconds in. It played well today, with only a few small hiccups that didn't affect the overall quality, and I truly enjoyed it. Modestly John Coffey did not include a picture of Joyce's Pub, which stands at the cross in Clogh, and which he owns. John is a fine photographer in his own right. I recognized some of the pictures from seeing them on the walls of his pub, a mini-museum in itself. I recommend the photos to anyone interested in Castlecomer. Aside to Debbie: one of the photos shows residents of Jackson's Patch, Pennsylvania. Jack Langton

Jack, Some people on your list might be interested in viewing the following pictures of Castlecomer compiled by John Coffee of Clogh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ozcKYrOqvc Máire Downey

The death has occurred of Jeremiah BRENNAN of Sleeveen, Castlecomer, Kilkenny Funeral Prayers this evening, Saturday, at 5.45pm at his son Noel's residence, Sleeveen, Castlecomer, followed by removal to The Church of the Immaculate Conception Castlecomer. Funeral Mass tomorrow, Sunday, at 11.30am with burial afterwards in the adjoining cemetery. Date published: Saturday, February 20, 2010 Date of death: Friday, February 19, 2010

I just realized that I should have posted the language in the property record that got me so excited about using "measuring lives" as a genealogical resource. This way, other list members can see what I have been blabbering about. Here is the language in the Wandesforde estate records for a Boe family I am tracing: "KYRAN BOE, Newtown. Landlord: Archbishop of Cashel. Barony Fassadinin. Lives (measurement of lease): Michael WALTON and Mark BOE, lessees, and Kyran BOE grandson of Mark BOE. 8th Nov 1808." I found another for Urlingford: JOHN BOWE, Urlingford. Barony=Galmoy. LIves (measurement of lease): Philip and Thomas MCCORMICK and Thomas BOWE, sons of lessees. 24th May 1809." What is notable for us genealogists is that these leases and land records usually describe the relationships of the "measuring lives" in order to identify them properly. See what got me so excited? Deb DEBORAH LARGE FOX Read my blog for Irish research tips: "Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors!" http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com

From: Darryl Scarff [mailto:dscarff@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2010 3:28 AM To: irl-kilkenny@rootsweb.com Subject: FW: On the matter of "lives" From: Darryl Scarff [mailto:dscarff@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2010 3:16 AM To: Rootsweb-Kilkenny-Castlecomer Subject: On the matter of "lives" I have an example of “‘lives” recorded in the transfer of a lease from one of my ancestors, James Scharf, prior to his departure from Coolcullen in 1819, to settle in the Ottawa Valley, Canada. I have a copy of the original hand written memorial from the Deeds Registry Office in Dublin. I have attached a copy of the typed transcription of same for your interest. Darryl Scarff Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- 463946 v.738 Page. 194 Memorial # 502929 Scharf To Burroughs Reg’d 6th March, 1819 To the Register appointed by act of Parliamt [Parliament]for the Registg [Registering] of deeds & soforth. MEMORIAL of an indented deed bearing date the 27th day of January 1819, made between Jas. Scharf of Coolcullen in the Co’y [County] of Kilkenny, Farmer, of the one part and John Burroughs of Ballysallagh in the said Co’y [County], Farmer, of the other part. Reciting that Wm. Tyndall of Leighlinbridge in the Co’y [County] of Carlow, Weightmaster of Butter, did by indre [indenture] of Lease bearing date, the 28th day of July 1818, Demise, and, to farm, let unto the said Jas. Scarf [sic] All That and Those that part of the lands of Coolcullen then in the Tenure of the said Jas. Scharf, containing 20 acres or thereabouts, Situate in the Barony of Fafsidining [sic] & Co’y [County] of Kilkenny afores’d. To hold same with all appurt’s [appurtenances] therto belonging unto the said Jas. Scharf, his Heirs and afsigns, for and during the natural life or lives of the said Wm. Tyndall, John Tyndall, eldest son & Wm. Tyndall, youngest son, of sd Wm., the lessor & the survivor of them, for and during the natural life and lives of all and every such Person or Persons as shall for ever be added to said demise by virtue of leases for perpetual renewal therin contained on paymnt [payment] of 1 pepper Corn as a renewal fine on the fall of each life. The said Jas. Scharf, his heirs and afsigns, yielding and paying unto the said Wm. Tyndall, his heirs & afsigns, the yearly Rent of L10 stg [ten pounds sterling] payable by two equal ½ yearly paymnts [payments] on every 29th day of September and every 25th day of March in every year during said demise, and that the said Jas. Scharf for and in Conson [Consideration] of the sum of L100stg. [one hundred pounds sterling] to him paid by the said John Burroughs before the Exeon [Execution] of said deed the Rect [Receipt] wherof the said Jas. Scharf did thereby acknowledge, the said Jas. Scharf did afsign, transfer and set over, all his Right Title & Interest in benefit of Renewal Claim & demand whats’r [whatsoever] of, in and to sd [said] premes [premises] & every part therof unto the “sd” John Burroughs his Heirs & Afsigns. Subject to the afores’d yearly Rent and other the Covents [Covenants] in said Leasement, which said Deed of Afsygnment & this Mem’l [Memorial] are respecly [respectfully] witnefsed by the Rev’d Sam’l Thos. Roberts of Rathvindon in the Co’y[County] of Carlow ,Clk.[Cleric] and Edw’d Law of Ballynockan in sd Co’y [County] G. [Gentleman] Jas. Scharf (seal), John Burris (seal) Signed, sealed and deliv’d [delivered] in the presence of Sam’l T.Roberts, Edw’d Law. The above named Edw’d.Law maketh Oath that he is a subscribing witnefs to the orig’l [original] deed of Afsignment of wh. [which] the above is a Mem’l [Memorial] and also to the above Mem’l [Memorial] & that he saw s’d [said] deed & Mem’l [Memorial] duly executed by Jas. Scharf and John Burris, the executing parties therto and that the name Edw’d. Law subsc’d [subscribed] as witnefs to s’d [said] deed of Mem’l [Memorial] respec’ly [respectfully] is this deponts [deponent’s] name & handwt’g [handwriting]. Edw’d. Law Sworn before me at Bagenalstown, the Co’y [County] of Carlow, this 8th day of February 1819 a Comm’r [Commissioner] of his Majesty’s Court of Exchequer in Ireland for taking Aff’ts [Affadavits] in sd [said] Coy [County] & I know The Depont [Deponent] John Corragan Comm’r. [Commissioner] (A True Copy, Bennett Cowen) nb.It is unclear whether the surname of the subscribing witness is “Law” or “Low”

I am chasing a train of thought about the land records, so if the list will tolerate some online musing? My memory is very hazy about 1800's property law, but I think that the sort of tenancy that is based on "lives" would be granted in a deed, and not just mentioned in estate records. So, I am thinking that not only would there be a deed granting the tenancy, but there would be some kind of deed or legal filing about the three "lives" being ended. I never really thought about land records before since most of my ancestors were lucky enough to have a roof over their heads, let alone a piece of land! But an ancestor could have been a "measuring life." So anyone who can educate me about Co. Kilkenny land records or property law (where where/are deeds filed and kept), I would sure appreciate it. I am thinking tracing these "lives" in deeds could open a genealogical resource for many of us researchers, especially in the Castlecomer area. Deb DEBORAH LARGE FOX Read my blog for Irish research tips: "Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors!" http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com