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    1. Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] emigration to and from Castlecomer area
    2. Anne Fisher
    3. This is very interesting information. I know I have read about the Wandesford Family being from Yorkshire, England, but I never really thought about it before. In Mulmur Township, Ontario Canda where my Hand /Craig and Bradley/Taylor Families settled almost everyone was from Northern Ireland. There was a small number of English settlers and they lived in an area that was called "the Yorkshire Settlement". I find migration patterns very interesting. I'm Swedish on my mother's side. The people were controlled by the Parish Priest and the Baron that owned the land. I was quite surprised to discover the Baron's name was Hamilton. He was from an aristocratic/military family from Scotland/Northern Ireland. He was awarded the land based on war service to the King of Sweden. Anne Michigan, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets22@gmail.com> To: <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] emigration to and from Castlecomer area > Here are a couple of paragraphs, that might be of some interest, from the > book by Tom Lyng, Castlecomer Connections: > > ACCENTS (page 232) > > Imported labour from England got mines working on the Comer Plateau in the > 17th, 18, and 19th centuries. Imported managers kept them going in the > 20th century. In recession times there would be migration in the other > direction and Brenans going to English or Scottish coalmines or joining > the > Mollie Maguires in Pennsylvania. There was also inter-migration between > Irish coal areas. Did the names Dowd and Reilly which are commonly close > to Arigna come from there? Weldon is also a Northern name. Keating is > agreed to have come from Tipperary, Ballingarry. What influx from > Tipperary left a Tipperary accent in the Colliery, and now referred to as > 'the Colliery accent" ? > > Centuries of underground production eventually yielded village settlements > at Chatsworth, Clogh, Newtown, Doonane, Sidegate, Boneyarrow, Gorteen, > Railyard, Gazebo, Cloneen, Geneva, Old Road, Massford, Jarrow, Montheen, > Rosey, New Road, Timberow and most of Deerpark. In these villages native > Delaneys, Carrolls, Borans, Crennans, Kellys, Shortals, Nolans, Brennans, > Purcells, Walshes, Byrnes, Lalors, Mooneys, Ryans, Neills, etc., > integrated > with imported Boyles, Bradleys, Bakers, Betts, Leacock, Taylor, Shore, > Ward, Walker, Wright, Fluellin, Wilson, etc., so that most of those > English > names are found as both Catholic and Protestant, the coal producing in the > Colliery the tolerance which curing produced in Coolcullen. > > > I have found many of the same Comer area surnames in Counties Laois and >> Kildare, but have not been able to connect any of my Comer names to >> families in these two counties. Regarding migration to and from the Comer >> area, I found a few instances in the first half of the 1800?s of men >> being >> brought in to the Castlecomer mines from the Wandesforde estates in >> Yorkshire, England, and others being sent over there. I have not been >> able >> to follow up on this migration pattern, yet, but I would like to.one day. >> From what I have been told at the NLI, some of the Castlecomer estate >> records are held in North Yorkshire. > > > > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    12/03/2011 04:36:30
    1. Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] the book, Castlecomer Connections by Tom Lyng
    2. Pat Connors
    3. I bought the book in a bookstore in Castlecomer in 1999, on my first trip to Ireland. At the time, it was the last copy of the book they had. I don't know where you can get the book, try googling the title. Good luck, it is a wonderful book. Lots of history and lots of names. I never thought about people migrating from one coal area to another. I > wondered why Craig, which is such a Scottish name, would appear in County > Kilkenny. Did you get that book by ordering it over the internet? > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

    12/02/2011 06:09:14
    1. [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] RIP, Margaret Farrell (nee McCarthy), Donaguile
    2. The death has occurred of Margaret Farrell, (née Nee McCarthy) of Donaguile Castlecomer, Kilkenny Reposing at her Residence. Funeral Prayers on Monday evening (21st Nov.) at 7pm followed by removal to the Church of the Immaculate Conception, Castlecomer. Requiem Mass on Tuesday at 11am followed by burial in the adjoining cemetery. Date published: Sunday, November 20, 2011 Date of death: Sunday, November 20, 2011

    12/01/2011 06:39:57
    1. Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] C of I/RC in Castlecomer area 1901
    2. In a message dated 11/29/2011 2:27:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mfisher2@twmi.rr.com writes: That's quite interesting information. Now do you know anything about literacy rates among the RC and CI? Do you know if one group was more prone to be illiterate than another? I know that Castlecomer was well known for its mining, but was there also a lot of farmers? Anne, A comparison would be difficult, the population of CI in Castlecomer being so much smaller than RC. There is a column on the census that asks if each person could read and/or write, and another column that identified school-age children as "scholars", if they attended school. I was somewhat surprised as to the large number who could R/W, generally the older generation could not, while the younger were more literate. As for farming/mining, even in Castlecomer there were many more farming families than mining. For the most part if the head of household were a miner his children would follow him to the mines, whereas the farmers sons stayed with the crops/herds. Not much of a surprise there. Jack Langton

    11/30/2011 11:08:03
    1. Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] emigration to and from Castlecomer area
    2. Anne Fisher
    3. Pat, I never thought about people migrating from one coal area to another. I wondered why Craig, which is such a Scottish name, would appear in County Kilkenny. Did you get that book by ordering it over the internet? Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets22@gmail.com> To: <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] emigration to and from Castlecomer area > Here are a couple of paragraphs, that might be of some interest, from the > book by Tom Lyng, Castlecomer Connections: > > ACCENTS (page 232) > > Imported labour from England got mines working on the Comer Plateau in the > 17th, 18, and 19th centuries. Imported managers kept them going in the > 20th century. In recession times there would be migration in the other > direction and Brenans going to English or Scottish coalmines or joining > the > Mollie Maguires in Pennsylvania. There was also inter-migration between > Irish coal areas. Did the names Dowd and Reilly which are commonly close > to Arigna come from there? Weldon is also a Northern name. Keating is > agreed to have come from Tipperary, Ballingarry. What influx from > Tipperary left a Tipperary accent in the Colliery, and now referred to as > 'the Colliery accent" ? > > Centuries of underground production eventually yielded village settlements > at Chatsworth, Clogh, Newtown, Doonane, Sidegate, Boneyarrow, Gorteen, > Railyard, Gazebo, Cloneen, Geneva, Old Road, Massford, Jarrow, Montheen, > Rosey, New Road, Timberow and most of Deerpark. In these villages native > Delaneys, Carrolls, Borans, Crennans, Kellys, Shortals, Nolans, Brennans, > Purcells, Walshes, Byrnes, Lalors, Mooneys, Ryans, Neills, etc., > integrated > with imported Boyles, Bradleys, Bakers, Betts, Leacock, Taylor, Shore, > Ward, Walker, Wright, Fluellin, Wilson, etc., so that most of those > English > names are found as both Catholic and Protestant, the coal producing in the > Colliery the tolerance which curing produced in Coolcullen. > > > I have found many of the same Comer area surnames in Counties Laois and >> Kildare, but have not been able to connect any of my Comer names to >> families in these two counties. Regarding migration to and from the Comer >> area, I found a few instances in the first half of the 1800?s of men >> being >> brought in to the Castlecomer mines from the Wandesforde estates in >> Yorkshire, England, and others being sent over there. I have not been >> able >> to follow up on this migration pattern, yet, but I would like to.one day. >> From what I have been told at the NLI, some of the Castlecomer estate >> records are held in North Yorkshire. > > > > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    11/29/2011 07:33:39
    1. Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] C of I/RC in Castlecomer area 1901
    2. Anne Fisher
    3. Jack, That's quite interesting information. Now do you know anything about literacy rates among the RC and CI? Do you know if one group was more prone to be illiterate than another? I know that Castlecomer was well known for its mining, but was there also a lot of farmers? Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: <JackLangton@aol.com> To: <Irl-Kil-Castlecomer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:13 PM Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] C of I/RC in Castlecomer area 1901 > The discussion concerning family migration within Ireland, and the makeup > of certain areas as far as incidence of surnames and religious > affiliation > prompted me to take another squint at the Castlecomer coal-mining > plateau, > with an eye to seeing how many Roman Catholic families there were > compared > to Church of Ireland. Of the almost thirty villages I found that Gorteen, > Moneenroe,Coolbawn,Donaguile and Castlecomer itself were the only ones to > have a representative C of I presence, the rest were overwhelmingly RC. A > baker's dozen had none or one, including Drumgoole, where lived the > Prior-Wandesfordes, with their eight servants and a nurse, of whom only > the pantry > boy was a local. I'm sure some of the miners were descended from English > who > came from Yorkshire to work the mines, but were long dead in 1901, and > many went from Castlecomer to Yorkshire when labor unrest hit Castlecomer, > as > it did from time to time. Ah, but where's the proof. > > Jack Langton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    11/29/2011 07:27:23
    1. Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] emigration to and from Castlecomer area
    2. Thanks, Pat, for reminding me about Tom Lyng's "Castlecomer Connections" which I bought some 15 years ago but have never really read from cover to cover. I'm sure I read those paragraphs years back, I would have zeroed in on that area since my dad was born in Boneyarrow (or the Jarrow Yard, a lane in Cloneen), And my grandfather Dan wrote a poem about fresh air being supplied to the mines, a part of which is on p. 240. Funny subject for a poem, I suppose, but maybe he had seen too many canaries die. (Strangly enough, a few years later his 18 year old son Charlie got his coat caught in a mine fan and was pulled to his death, his 21 year old lost two fingers trying to save him.) Anyway, I have blown the dust off the book and will pursue it further. Jack Langton

    11/29/2011 07:14:04
    1. [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] C of I/RC in Castlecomer area 1901
    2. The discussion concerning family migration within Ireland, and the makeup of certain areas as far as incidence of surnames and religious affiliation prompted me to take another squint at the Castlecomer coal-mining plateau, with an eye to seeing how many Roman Catholic families there were compared to Church of Ireland. Of the almost thirty villages I found that Gorteen, Moneenroe,Coolbawn,Donaguile and Castlecomer itself were the only ones to have a representative C of I presence, the rest were overwhelmingly RC. A baker's dozen had none or one, including Drumgoole, where lived the Prior-Wandesfordes, with their eight servants and a nurse, of whom only the pantry boy was a local. I'm sure some of the miners were descended from English who came from Yorkshire to work the mines, but were long dead in 1901, and many went from Castlecomer to Yorkshire when labor unrest hit Castlecomer, as it did from time to time. Ah, but where's the proof. Jack Langton

    11/29/2011 06:13:10
    1. Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] emigration to and from Castlecomer area
    2. Pat Connors
    3. Here are a couple of paragraphs, that might be of some interest, from the book by Tom Lyng, Castlecomer Connections: ACCENTS (page 232) Imported labour from England got mines working on the Comer Plateau in the 17th, 18, and 19th centuries. Imported managers kept them going in the 20th century. In recession times there would be migration in the other direction and Brenans going to English or Scottish coalmines or joining the Mollie Maguires in Pennsylvania. There was also inter-migration between Irish coal areas. Did the names Dowd and Reilly which are commonly close to Arigna come from there? Weldon is also a Northern name. Keating is agreed to have come from Tipperary, Ballingarry. What influx from Tipperary left a Tipperary accent in the Colliery, and now referred to as 'the Colliery accent" ? Centuries of underground production eventually yielded village settlements at Chatsworth, Clogh, Newtown, Doonane, Sidegate, Boneyarrow, Gorteen, Railyard, Gazebo, Cloneen, Geneva, Old Road, Massford, Jarrow, Montheen, Rosey, New Road, Timberow and most of Deerpark. In these villages native Delaneys, Carrolls, Borans, Crennans, Kellys, Shortals, Nolans, Brennans, Purcells, Walshes, Byrnes, Lalors, Mooneys, Ryans, Neills, etc., integrated with imported Boyles, Bradleys, Bakers, Betts, Leacock, Taylor, Shore, Ward, Walker, Wright, Fluellin, Wilson, etc., so that most of those English names are found as both Catholic and Protestant, the coal producing in the Colliery the tolerance which curing produced in Coolcullen. I have found many of the same Comer area surnames in Counties Laois and > Kildare, but have not been able to connect any of my Comer names to > families in these two counties. Regarding migration to and from the Comer > area, I found a few instances in the first half of the 1800?s of men being > brought in to the Castlecomer mines from the Wandesforde estates in > Yorkshire, England, and others being sent over there. I have not been able > to follow up on this migration pattern, yet, but I would like to.one day. > From what I have been told at the NLI, some of the Castlecomer estate > records are held in North Yorkshire. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

    11/29/2011 03:23:25
    1. Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Migration within Ireland
    2. Deborah Fox
    3. I have found many of the same Comer area surnames in Counties Laois and Kildare, but have not been able to connect any of my Comer names to families in these two counties. Regarding migration to and from the Comer area, I found a few instances in the first half of the 1800’s of men being brought in to the Castlecomer mines from the Wandesforde estates in Yorkshire, England, and others being sent over there. I have not been able to follow up on this migration pattern, yet, but I would like to.one day. From what I have been told at the NLI, some of the Castlecomer estate records are held in North Yorkshire. Deb Deborah Large Fox Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors! http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com

    11/28/2011 04:36:10
    1. Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Castlecomer and Orange Lodges
    2. Pat Connors
    3. I don't know about Orange Lodges in Castlecomer but from Wikipedia, "between 1866 and 1871, the Fenian raids of the Fenian Brotherhood who were based in the United States; on British army forts, customs posts and other targets in Canada, were fought to bring pressure on Britain to withdraw from Ireland. They divided many Catholic Irish-Canadians, many of whom were torn between loyalty to their new home and sympathy for the aims of the Fenians. The Protestant Irish were generally loyal to Britain and fought with the Orange Order against the Fenians". Some raids happened around the Niagara Falls area. My Boyles/Booths worked on the Welland Canal and lived in Thorald near the canal. They were originally from the Castlecomer area and were Wesleyan Methodists so it would probably be natural for them to side against the Irish Catholics. There may not have been an Orange Lodge in County Kilkenny and the Booths/Boyles probably did not emigrate to County Kilkenny from Northern Ireland, but instead, joined the Lodge in their new country because of their religion and their loyalty to Canada. I have been trying to search through the list archives to piece together > the discussion about Castlecomer immigrants in Canada belonging to Orange > lodges. I might be missing some messages, but I don?t see if anyone > discussed these two questions: > 1. Is there a history of Orange lodges in the Comer area? (I confess to > being totally ignorant of the history of the Orange lodges in the Republic. > I had thought they were only in the Northern counties, and I had no idea > before this discussion how dominant a force the lodges were in the Toronto > Canada area. The Orange Order ?owned? Toronto up until 50 years ago!). > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

    11/27/2011 03:15:53
    1. Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Migration within Ireland
    2. Anne Fisher
    3. Hi Jack, That's a great idea. I actually did that a number of years ago and I had forgotten all about it. When I first started doing my research, I did not know where anyone was from other than Ireland. I took the names, of the earliest and most numerous settlers, where my family had their farm, and wrote out a chart comparing the occurrance of the names in the counties. Now if I could only find my chart. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: <JackLangton@aol.com> To: <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Migration within Ireland > Hi Anne, > > A wonderful question, one which I have to admit had never occurred to > me, groups from one county emigrating to another county within Ireland. I > know there was a lot of moving around seasonally, to work on the various > crops, and perhaps some families stayed put in the new county, but I > hadn't > heard about it on a large scale. I ran a few surnames through the Irish > Times > site that are usually associated with Kilkenny > (Comerford,Phelan,Brennan,Lalor,Purcell) and compared the quantity > vis-a-vis Armagh, but there was > really no comparison, Armagh had very few compared to Kilkenny. > _http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm_ > (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm) > > Another source you might try is the 1901 and 1911 census, which show > county of birth. I haven't really explored them except for my rellies in > Northeast Kilkenny, but it might be worth a shot. > > Jack Langton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    11/27/2011 02:11:02
    1. Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Migration within Ireland
    2. Hi Anne, A wonderful question, one which I have to admit had never occurred to me, groups from one county emigrating to another county within Ireland. I know there was a lot of moving around seasonally, to work on the various crops, and perhaps some families stayed put in the new county, but I hadn't heard about it on a large scale. I ran a few surnames through the Irish Times site that are usually associated with Kilkenny (Comerford,Phelan,Brennan,Lalor,Purcell) and compared the quantity vis-a-vis Armagh, but there was really no comparison, Armagh had very few compared to Kilkenny. _http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm_ (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm) Another source you might try is the 1901 and 1911 census, which show county of birth. I haven't really explored them except for my rellies in Northeast Kilkenny, but it might be worth a shot. Jack Langton

    11/26/2011 03:17:44
    1. [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Migration within Ireland
    2. Mary Elizabeth Wagner
    3. Just a comment from my perspective.   I have MULDOWNEYs in Upper Firoda going back to birth years between 1810 and 1820. In my research, I found other Muldowneys from Co. Mayo. Lots of folks from these two lines went to Schuylkill Co., Pa., to work in the mines. The reseacher on the Co. Mayo line and myself exchanged pictures from the early 1900s, taken at Atlantic City, NJ in the summer.------- The men all looked alike!  We couldn't believe it. This obviously means Muldowneys were migrating to Co. Mayo back at least as far as the 1700s. Unfortunately, no Irish records can be found for those years

    11/26/2011 01:10:24
    1. Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Castlecomer and Orange Lodges and ShuylkillCo. PA
    2. Anne Fisher
    3. Deborah, Was the Large family Catholic and the Kavanagh family CI ? Most of the Protestant Irish emigrated to Canada and most of the Catholics emigrated to the USA (except Henry Ford) . A lot of the Irish worked on the canals and settled around them. The Welland Canal was in the Niagara area. The canals were built in the 1820's but work continued on them and also many of the Irish became Lock Tenders. Jack , Do you know anything about migrations within Ireland? It seems that everyone I research is either from Castlecomer, County Kilkenny or County Armagh. I wonder if people from County Armagh moved to County Kilkenny on a large scale? Anne Fisher ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Fox" <deborahlargefox@gmail.com> To: <IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 4:47 PM Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Castlecomer and Orange Lodges and ShuylkillCo. PA I have been trying to search through the list archives to piece together the discussion about Castlecomer immigrants in Canada belonging to Orange lodges. I might be missing some messages, but I don’t see if anyone discussed these two questions: 1. Is there a history of Orange lodges in the Comer area? (I confess to being totally ignorant of the history of the Orange lodges in the Republic. I had thought they were only in the Northern counties, and I had no idea before this discussion how dominant a force the lodges were in the Toronto Canada area. The Orange Order “owned” Toronto up until 50 years ago!). 2. Regarding the Castlecomer people who settled in Schuylkill County PA: were there Orange Lodges in that part of Pennsylvania? I have been researching the Sheet Iron (aka Chain) Gang of Castlecomer immigrants in that county, but I have not come across Orange Lodges there, but truthfully, I haven’t looked. 3. The religious strife really split my Large/Kavanagh families in Castlecomer and in Canada and in the US, according to family lore, so I want to follow all these new leads. Deb Deborah Large Fox Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors! http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    11/26/2011 10:22:51
    1. [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Castlecomer and Orange Lodges and Shuylkill Co. PA
    2. Deborah Fox
    3. I have been trying to search through the list archives to piece together the discussion about Castlecomer immigrants in Canada belonging to Orange lodges. I might be missing some messages, but I don’t see if anyone discussed these two questions: 1. Is there a history of Orange lodges in the Comer area? (I confess to being totally ignorant of the history of the Orange lodges in the Republic. I had thought they were only in the Northern counties, and I had no idea before this discussion how dominant a force the lodges were in the Toronto Canada area. The Orange Order “owned” Toronto up until 50 years ago!). 2. Regarding the Castlecomer people who settled in Schuylkill County PA: were there Orange Lodges in that part of Pennsylvania? I have been researching the Sheet Iron (aka Chain) Gang of Castlecomer immigrants in that county, but I have not come across Orange Lodges there, but truthfully, I haven’t looked. 3. The religious strife really split my Large/Kavanagh families in Castlecomer and in Canada and in the US, according to family lore, so I want to follow all these new leads. Deb Deborah Large Fox Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors! http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com

    11/26/2011 09:47:25
    1. [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Thorold
    2. Deborah Fox
    3. Thank you Pat, for that link. http://www.ourroots.ca/e/index.aspx I have been googling Thorold and the Canadian towns around it, but I did not come across the site you sent. It is helpful. I have a ton to learn now since this discussion began on the list. I had thought before this that most of the Castlecomer emigrants to Canada settled farther north. This might be a great lead for my research. Deb Deborah Large Fox Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors! http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com

    11/26/2011 09:32:35
    1. Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER Digest, Vol 6, Issue 50
    2. Pat Connors
    3. Deborah, Check out this site: Canada's Local Histories Online http://www.ourroots.ca/e/index.aspx Look under the various towns, and you will find items in the town's histories about the Orange Lodge. There are two items for Thorold History that I found. > Pat, You mentioned going to Thorold and finding your John Boyle involved > in the Orange Lodge in Thorold, Ontario. Did you happen to find other > Castlecomer names or families in the records of that area when you were > there? I live in Toronto, now, and am interested in learning more about > this Thorold area and any Castlecomer connections there may be. My Comer > area Large/Kavanagh family first went to Canada in 1844 before their > appearance in Pennsylvania in 1850. Family stories tell that they went to > PA because of family religious differences that followed them to Canada. ( > I have a Mary Large who married a John Boyle of Gurteen in 1805 in the > Church of Ireland in Comer, but I think I already told you that?). Am > hoping to check out Canadian sources while I am living up here. Deb > Deborah Large Fox Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors! > http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

    11/25/2011 04:46:54
    1. Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Thorold, Ontario, Canada
    2. Deborah Fox
    3. I am trying to educate myself quickly about the Thorold and other Orange Lodges, Comer people in Ontario, and Canadian research in general. Thanks to the people on the mailing list, I might be closing in on one of my research brick walls. Anne, if you don’t mind keeping your eyes open for the surname Large in Ontario Anglican records, that would be appreciated. My Mary Large married John Boyle in 1805, I believe they went to Canada and they were Protestant. (My Catherine Large married John Brennan by 1813. They might have stayed in the Comer area.). Both Boyle and Brennan were from Gurteen and were Protestant. I know Brennan and Boyle would be tough to keep an eye out for, so I would just request any Large sightings. I am living in Toronto now, and would be very interested in visiting these archives, and other repositories in that region, as it is only a two hour drive from here, and I have been through those towns while visiting wineries this fall. I had no idea at the time that they might also be of genealogical interest to me! Deb Deborah Large Fox Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors! http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com

    11/25/2011 04:45:22
    1. Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Thorold, Ontario, Canada
    2. Anne Fisher
    3. I'm planning on going to McMaster University in Hamilton, Canada this June. They have the Anglican Archives for the Niagara area. My family from Castlecomer were named Hand, Craig, Bradley and Taylor. Some of their descendants intermarried with the Boyle family in Canada. I also have an unidentified Mary Boyle living with my family in 1861. She was age 24 born in Canada and is listed as a family member. I have not been able to determine how she is related. My family lived in Merritton which is close to Thorold. They moved back and forth between Ontario and New York. My family worked on the canals and lived around the various canals. If anyone has any names they think might be in the Anglican Archives I can check for them along with my family. Anne Fisher mfisher2@twmi.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Fox" <deborahlargefox@gmail.com> To: <IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 11:54 PM Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Orange lodge in Thorold, Ontario > Pat, You mentioned going to Thorold and finding your John Boyle involved > in the Orange Lodge in Thorold, Ontario. Did you happen to find other > Castlecomer names or families in the records of that area when you were > there? I live in Toronto, now, and am interested in learning more about > this Thorold area and any Castlecomer connections there may be. My Comer > area Large/Kavanagh family first went to Canada in 1844 before their > appearance in Pennsylvania in 1850. Family stories tell that they went to > PA because of family religious differences that followed them to Canada. > ( I have a Mary Large who married a John Boyle of Gurteen in 1805 in the > Church of Ireland in Comer, but I think I already told you that?). Am > hoping to check out Canadian sources while I am living up here. Deb > Deborah Large Fox Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors! > http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    11/24/2011 06:31:42