There was a Patrick Walker having children in the Clogh/Moneenroe area in the 1830's and 1840s. His wife was Margaret Farrell (Farrell could easily morph into Fannin, hard to tell "n" from "r" in handwriting.) These may or may not be the parents. For the record, here they are: 1837 Jan 29

There are quite a few Walker family references in the Wandesforde papers. I have notes with some of the references. Will send them in an attachment off list. Deb Deborah Large Fox Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors! http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com/

Silly me, it is of course CLOGH parish registers, and shouldn't I know as I'm a Kilkenny man! ________________________________ From: Joe Buggy <pabloaimar99@yahoo.co.uk> To: "IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER@rootsweb.com" <IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 6 January 2012, 16:04:50 Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] William Henry Walker born c.1842 Hi all, I have dipped into this mailing list from time to time as I am a Buggy but have a different request. I have been doing research on the genealogy of James Walker, mayor of New York City in the 1920s. His father William Henry Walker emigration from Ireland c. 1852.William H Walker was from the Castlecomer area and Mayor Walker visited Castlecomer in 1927. This is a short clip of the visit http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=15578 Anyway, I have William H Walkers death cert and it says his parents were Patrick Walker and Mary Fanin. They were Catholic but I have not been able to find a baptismal register entry. I have search the Castlecomer parish registers, RootsIreland.ie, Irishgenealogy.ie, Castlecomer Connections book and all the other usual suspects. I have compiled a lot of info about James Walker, William H and other family members but would love to get confirmation of his baptism. Has anyone had the chance to search the Clough parish registers as I am wondering if it's in there? Or maybe a long shot effort like the Wandesforde papers or Poor Law Union minute books? Thanks for taking the time to read this. Joe ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, I have dipped into this mailing list from time to time as I am a Buggy but have a different request. I have been doing research on the genealogy of James Walker, mayor of New York City in the 1920s. His father William Henry Walker emigration from Ireland c. 1852.William H Walker was from the Castlecomer area and Mayor Walker visited Castlecomer in 1927. This is a short clip of the visit http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=15578 Anyway, I have William H Walkers death cert and it says his parents were Patrick Walker and Mary Fanin. They were Catholic but I have not been able to find a baptismal register entry. I have search the Castlecomer parish registers, RootsIreland.ie, Irishgenealogy.ie, Castlecomer Connections book and all the other usual suspects. I have compiled a lot of info about James Walker, William H and other family members but would love to get confirmation of his baptism. Has anyone had the chance to search the Clough parish registers as I am wondering if it's in there? Or maybe a long shot effort like the Wandesforde papers or Poor Law Union minute books? Thanks for taking the time to read this. Joe

Thanks, Jack for the info about the Avalon. That building is a treasure, and I am so glad to see someone opening it again. Also, want to wish everyone on the list a Merry Christmas and a thank you all for the help and advice I have received all year from this list!! Deb Deborah Large Fox Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors! http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com

BRENNAN (Ardra, Castlecomer, Co. Kilkenny) Dec. 14, 2011, Tom (Spain) (peacefully) in the loving care of the matron and staff of St. Columba's Hospital; sadly missed by his nieces, nephews, grandnieces, grandnephews, neighbours and friends. Funeral Prayers today (Thursday) at 7 o'c. in Coady's Funeral Home, Castlecomer followed by Removal to the Church of the Immaculate Conception, Castlecomer. Burial following Requiem Mass tomorrow (Friday) at 11 o'c. in the adjoining Cemetery. May he rest in peace

>From the Castlecomer Forum: AVALON INN RE-OPENS. Its heartening to see the Avalon Inn open for business again. New proprietor is Maurice O’Reilly who hails from Mullinavat. He spent a number of years working in America having emigrated in 1964. The Avalon Inn has been a landmark across North East Kilkenny over many years initially as a Mining Office and more recently as a licensed premises. The new owner also intends to provide a B&B service and weekly music sessions. Further information contact 085-7386603. We wish Mr. O’Reilly all the best with his new venture. Date of this item added : 2011-12-20

MEALY (nee Holohan), Catherine Dec. 7, 2011, (Kilkenny Street, Castlecomer, Co Kilkenny and late of Finsboro, Coolbawn) (peacefully) at her daughters residence, relict of the late Martin, she is survived by her sons Martin, Seamie and Gerry and daughters Kathleen (Leahy), Mary (Madigan) and Lillian (Jefferies), sons-in-law, daughters-in-law, grandsons, grandaughters, great-grandsons, great-grandaughter, nieces, nephews-in-law, cousins, relatives and friends. R.I.P. Rosary this (Thursday) evening at 9 o'c. at her daughters residence (Kilkenny Street, Castlecomer). Funeral Prayers at 11 o'c. tomorrow (Friday) morning followed by Removal to the Church of Sacred Heart, Moneenroe for Requiem Mass at 12 o'c. Burial afterwards in the adjoining cemetery. Family flowers only please. Donations if desired to Bóthar.

The death has occurred of Margaret Butler of Prospect Coolcullen Coon, Kilkenny Peacefully at her home. Reposing at Moran's Funeral Home, Castlecomer. Funeral Prayers on Thursday (8th. December) at 6.30pm followed by removal to St Brigid's Church Coon. Requiem mass on Friday at 11.00am followed by internment in the adjoining cemetery. Date published: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 Date of death: Monday, December 05, 2011

Thank you Jack. That answers my question. I saw a mention in the IFHF web site that said the births must be registered within 21 days. They said that a lot of people registered the births late and so gave an incorrect date of birth. But they had the children baptised and thus there is a discrepancy between the church records and the civil registration records. Anne Fisher Michigan, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: <JackLangton@aol.com> To: <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] Irish Civil Registration Act 1864 > Hi Anne, > > There is a good article concerning the 1864 Registration Act at > > > _http://www.from-ireland.net/irish-civil-registrations/Civil-Records-Explanation_ > (http://www.from-ireland.net/irish-civil-registrations/Civil-Records-Explanation) > > They're of your opinion, that in the first few years there was only > sporadic registration. > > Jack Langton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Anne, There is a good article concerning the 1864 Registration Act at _http://www.from-ireland.net/irish-civil-registrations/Civil-Records-Explanation_ (http://www.from-ireland.net/irish-civil-registrations/Civil-Records-Explanation) They're of your opinion, that in the first few years there was only sporadic registration. Jack Langton

In a message dated 12/8/2011 5:39:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mairedowney31@eircom.net writes: I was talking by phone to Jim Bradley a short time ago and told him about the enquiries as to his welfare. He is well but his computer packed up some time ago.. He is on air again now and his new email is: flatbrad@gmail.com. I remember when Dan Langton wom the poetry competition in Clogh some years ago. I used to attend the weekly sessions of the Clogh Writers which were most enjoyable. Your cousin/niece? Martha is keeping up the Langton tradition. Best wishes and happy Christmas to all who correspond through this web-site. Hi Maire, Nice to hear that Jim Bradley is feeling well, I will give him a shout off-list. Thanks for the kind words about my brother Dan, he is still teaching poetry at San Francisco State Univ, he's been there so long they can't unseat him and he loves what he's doing, he says being around young people keeps him young. Martha Langton Kelly is my first cousin, daughter of my father's brother John Langton, who lived in Chatsworth for many years, next to the Taylors and the Hoseys. She loves poetry and has written some lovely poems. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family, and to all the others on this list. Jack Langton

Dear Jack, I was talking by phone to Jim Bradley a short time ago and told him about the enquiries as to his welfare. He is well but his computer packed up some time ago.. He is on air again now and his new email is: flatbrad@gmail.com. I remember when Dan Langton wom the poetry competition in Clogh some years ago. I used to attend the weekly sessions of the Clogh Writers which were most enjoyable. Your cousin/niece? Martha is keeping up the Langton tradition. Best wishes and happy Christmas to all who correspond through this web-site. Máire Downey. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JackLangton@aol.com> To: <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] emigration to and from Castlecomer area > > In a message dated 12/7/2011 11:31:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > mfisher2@twmi.rr.com writes: > > > I've been wondering about Jim Bradley also. He was very helpful. I > would > like to know how he is. > > I'm always curious about names also. The last obit that you posted had > the > name Farrell. My grandfather had a sister named Farrell Catherine > Fisher. > I have always been curious about this name. It seems unusual to name a > daughter Farrell and so I thought the name must have some family > significance. But I have never found anyone else, in my family, with the > name Farrell for either a first or last name. By the way, are you really > John? > > My parents took in foster children. It just occurred to me that one was > adopted by an English family from Leeds. The father wrote poetry and I > remember seeing a poem he wrote about Ireland. I'll have to contact him > and > see if his family perhaps is connected to Castlecomer. > > It's difficult to judge the past based on our feelings. For years I felt > very sorry that my grandmother had to leave school at the age of 14 and > work. Her father died and her stepfather told her she was old enough to > support herself. So she left home at the age of 14. My grandmother left > me > her notes that she had written about her life. She said her favorite > time > was when she left home and could do whatever she wanted without adult > supervision. This attitude really surprised me. > > > > > Hi Anne, > > On the other hand I guess it would be a help to trace a rellie who had > such an unusual first name. And yes, I was baptized John but was called > Jack before my head was dried from the baptismal water. It's somewhat of > an > Irish trait, I guess, though I have known Jacobs who were called Jack. It > seems to add an air of raffishness to the pedestrian sounding John, or so > I > note from books and movies. > > Poetry is still big in Castlecomer, several clubs promote it, the > Clogh Writers Club has held a poetry contest for years, entries come in > from > all over the world. My brother, who lives in San Francisco, won first > prize > several years ago, and since I was visiting at the time I was asked to > read > it. The whole thing is still a blur, but the audience reacted cordially. > > The sheer number of single young girls who left Ireland for foreign > countries always surprised me. And not just in a group going to a > convent, > these were teenagers who were setting out to make their way in the world, > and > make their way they did. America is all the better for their coming. > > Jack Langton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One does get the impression that Irish women are very independent. It seems to have been quite common for single women to emigrate alone. Irish men seem to be very fond of their wives maiden names. This has been helpful to my research. The use of nicknames and switching back and forth between first and middle names has been confusing. I researched my great grandmother, Jennie, for years before I discovered she was baptised Ann Jane. I'm not capable of doing research in Ireland, but I am curious. Civil registration began in 1864. Did the people comply with the law? In Canada civil registration began in 1869. None of my family complied with this law. I thought it was just my family, but others doing Irish research have found the same thing to be true of their family. So I wonder if the general populace, in Ireland, complied with the civil registration law? Anne Fisher Michigan, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: <JackLangton@aol.com> To: <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] emigration to and from Castlecomer area > > > Hi Anne, > > On the other hand I guess it would be a help to trace a rellie who had > such an unusual first name. And yes, I was baptized John but was called > Jack before my head was dried from the baptismal water. It's somewhat of > an > Irish trait, I guess, though I have known Jacobs who were called Jack. It > seems to add an air of raffishness to the pedestrian sounding John, or so > I > note from books and movies. > > Poetry is still big in Castlecomer, several clubs promote it, the > Clogh Writers Club has held a poetry contest for years, entries come in > from > all over the world. My brother, who lives in San Francisco, won first > prize > several years ago, and since I was visiting at the time I was asked to > read > it. The whole thing is still a blur, but the audience reacted cordially. > > The sheer number of single young girls who left Ireland for foreign > countries always surprised me. And not just in a group going to a > convent, > these were teenagers who were setting out to make their way in the world, > and > make their way they did. America is all the better for their coming. > > Jack Langton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 12/7/2011 11:31:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mfisher2@twmi.rr.com writes: I've been wondering about Jim Bradley also. He was very helpful. I would like to know how he is. I'm always curious about names also. The last obit that you posted had the name Farrell. My grandfather had a sister named Farrell Catherine Fisher. I have always been curious about this name. It seems unusual to name a daughter Farrell and so I thought the name must have some family significance. But I have never found anyone else, in my family, with the name Farrell for either a first or last name. By the way, are you really John? My parents took in foster children. It just occurred to me that one was adopted by an English family from Leeds. The father wrote poetry and I remember seeing a poem he wrote about Ireland. I'll have to contact him and see if his family perhaps is connected to Castlecomer. It's difficult to judge the past based on our feelings. For years I felt very sorry that my grandmother had to leave school at the age of 14 and work. Her father died and her stepfather told her she was old enough to support herself. So she left home at the age of 14. My grandmother left me her notes that she had written about her life. She said her favorite time was when she left home and could do whatever she wanted without adult supervision. This attitude really surprised me. Hi Anne, On the other hand I guess it would be a help to trace a rellie who had such an unusual first name. And yes, I was baptized John but was called Jack before my head was dried from the baptismal water. It's somewhat of an Irish trait, I guess, though I have known Jacobs who were called Jack. It seems to add an air of raffishness to the pedestrian sounding John, or so I note from books and movies. Poetry is still big in Castlecomer, several clubs promote it, the Clogh Writers Club has held a poetry contest for years, entries come in from all over the world. My brother, who lives in San Francisco, won first prize several years ago, and since I was visiting at the time I was asked to read it. The whole thing is still a blur, but the audience reacted cordially. The sheer number of single young girls who left Ireland for foreign countries always surprised me. And not just in a group going to a convent, these were teenagers who were setting out to make their way in the world, and make their way they did. America is all the better for their coming. Jack Langton

No, I have not. This actually surprised me because most of the people I have been researching emigrated from 1818-1833. The bulk of them seem to have emigrated in 1825. They were all farmers. One of my ancestors got his land grant from a man that was in the British Army, but he was from County Armagh. John Maguire from County Armagh received his land grant in lieu of payment. My ancestor got this land because he paid Maguire for an interest in the land and Maguire died while working on the Welland Canal. There seems to be no connection with John Maguire of County Armagh and my ancestor. I have researched everyone who signed the land grant papers as witnesses and they were all from Castlecomer. They were all farmers. I have not done any research on the Yorkshire people as I have no known English connection. Anne Fisher Michigan, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Fox" <deborahlargefox@gmail.com> To: <IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:37 AM Subject: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] emigration to and from Castlecomer Anne, Have you found any evidence of any Castlecomer-to-Canada (including the Canadian “Yorkshire”) people having served in the British army or navy pre-1850? Deb Deborah Large Fox Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors! http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anne, Have you found any evidence of any Castlecomer-to-Canada (including the Canadian “Yorkshire”) people having served in the British army or navy pre-1850? Deb Deborah Large Fox Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors! http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com

Jack, I've been wondering about Jim Bradley also. He was very helpful. I would like to know how he is. I'm always curious about names also. The last obit that you posted had the name Farrell. My grandfather had a sister named Farrell Catherine Fisher. I have always been curious about this name. It seems unusual to name a daughter Farrell and so I thought the name must have some family significance. But I have never found anyone else, in my family, with the name Farrell for either a first or last name. By the way, are you really John? My parents took in foster children. It just occurred to me that one was adopted by an English family from Leeds. The father wrote poetry and I remember seeing a poem he wrote about Ireland. I'll have to contact him and see if his family perhaps is connected to Castlecomer. It's difficult to judge the past based on our feelings. For years I felt very sorry that my grandmother had to leave school at the age of 14 and work. Her father died and her stepfather told her she was old enough to support herself. So she left home at the age of 14. My grandmother left me her notes that she had written about her life. She said her favorite time was when she left home and could do whatever she wanted without adult supervision. This attitude really surprised me. Anne Fisher Michigan, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: <JackLangton@aol.com> To: <irl-kil-castlecomer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER] emigration to and from Castlecomer area > > > Anne, I feel the same way about emigration patterns, they certainly > would make things a lot easier if we could follow them. Unfortunately > the > pattern is threadbare in some places, worn in others, and non-existent in > the > most crucial places. The Wandesfordes owned most of the coal mines in > Castlecomer, and between being under his thumb, and the thumb of the > local > clergy, the miners were in dire straits. And yet, from what I can gather, > they > loved the job. (I see a Bradley name in your families, which reminds me I > haven't seen a post on this list from Jim Bradley in a good long while. > Do > you or any of the list know how he's doing?) > > Jack Langton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KIL-CASTLECOMER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 12/3/2011 11:36:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mfisher2@twmi.rr.com writes: This is very interesting information. I know I have read about the Wandesford Family being from Yorkshire, England, but I never really thought about it before. In Mulmur Township, Ontario Canda where my Hand /Craig and Bradley/Taylor Families settled almost everyone was from Northern Ireland. There was a small number of English settlers and they lived in an area that was called "the Yorkshire Settlement". I find migration patterns very interesting. I'm Swedish on my mother's side. The people were controlled by the Parish Priest and the Baron that owned the land. I was quite surprised to discover the Baron's name was Hamilton. He was from an aristocratic/military family from Scotland/Northern Ireland. He was awarded the land based on war service to the King of Sweden. Anne, I feel the same way about emigration patterns, they certainly would make things a lot easier if we could follow them. Unfortunately the pattern is threadbare in some places, worn in others, and non-existent in the most crucial places. The Wandesfordes owned most of the coal mines in Castlecomer, and between being under his thumb, and the thumb of the local clergy, the miners were in dire straits. And yet, from what I can gather, they loved the job. (I see a Bradley name in your families, which reminds me I haven't seen a post on this list from Jim Bradley in a good long while. Do you or any of the list know how he's doing?) Jack Langton

Tom Lyng's book also carries a picture of "The Ministry of Yorkshire Settlements" In researching my Leacock ancestry I have been trying to find out more about this Ministry, I have not been able to find anything more than Tom's picture. I know my family was in Comer in the late 18th century and suspect that they emigrated from Yorkshire, probably from the Wandesforde estate area, since the name is also found around the Yorkshire coalmining areas. My father emigrated from Comer to Yorkshire in the thirties and I was born there, so the Yorkshire link has extra significance for me. Regards Bill Leacock