Sue, What part of Kerry do you think your Foleys (and Sheas) lived in? One of my 3rd great-grandmothers was Ellen Foley, who married Michael Doyle (both dying in Kerry by 1848). (I don't know the origins of Ellen.) Their son Jeremiah appears to have been born near Sneem in the first quarter of the 19th century (baptismal record not surviving), but they and/or Jeremiah may have moved later closer to Kenmare (to the civil parish of Templenoe, RC parish of Kenmare, where there indeed were some Foleys (per church and Griffith's records). Jeremiah Doyle emigrated in late 1847, going first to Montreal (on the coffin ship "Lord Ashburton") and then (perhaps within a year) went to Vermont for a short time, then on to Bergen (or maybe West Bergen), NY, for 15 years or so before finally settling in Kalamazoo County, Michigan, where he bought his own farm. In Montreal, in early 1848, he married Mary Shea, my 2nd great-grandmother, who was on the same ship. The family story is that they met on the ship, but I have considerable doubt about this and think it fairly likely that they knew each other in Kerry. She was a daughter of Thomas Shea and Mary White (according to the marriage record at Notre Dame in Montreal). I have no idea (yet) as to their origins, but at the time of Mary's birth (and at the birth of several other probable children of theirs and the marriage of one) they lived in various townlands in Templenoe CP/Kenmare RC parish, generally a little west or northwest of the town of Kenmare. Unfortunately, zillions of Sheas seem to have lived in the area, and I don't know how they're connected (or not). Mary White seems to have lived in the same vicinity, and there are other Whites there, though they're not nearly as numerous as the Sheas. My guess is that White may have been a branch name for certain Sullivan or even Shea kinship groups. My great-grandmother Nellie Doyle Budd was the couple's first (known) child, born in Vermont in 1849. She would seem to have been named after her father's mother, Ellen (Nellie) Foley Doyle. But I still haven't found out whether RC baptismal records survive for that year in Vermont (doubtful), or whether perhaps traveling priests from Canada served the still relatively few Catholics there so the records might be somewhere  in Canada. There were some Foleys (and Doyles) living in Kalamazoo Co., MI, but whether they might be connected to mine, I don't yet know (and may never know, I guess). If I had ready access to the parish records of the RC church in Kalamazoo (city), I might be able to figure out some relationships, but I live hundreds of miles from there and visiting any time soon is not feasible. Have you found your Bartholomew and James Shea in the online Kerry church records? If so, where were they living at one time or another? Marge >________________________________ > From: Susan Haines <sehaines42@gmail.com> >To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com >Cc: irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com >Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 7:47 AM >Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 105 > > >thank you all for your responses about Foule/Foley. What a helpful list! > >  Alas, I fear this isn't my family as I have never seen the name in any >other context.  My 4th great grandfather is Bartholomew Shea and in >Kerry there are several possibilities for the parents of my 3rd great >grandfather, James Shea.  None of which seem to "fit".  James had a >brother Bartholomew and, perhaps, Michael. There are probably others >that I am still working on. All of these initially immigrated to Wales >and most then went to New Haven, CT. > >Sue > > >On 8/2/2013 3:00 AM, irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >>    1. Re: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 104 (Michael Leane) >> >> >> To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to >> IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> email with no additional text. > >_______________ >---------------        > >Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: >http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html                                               >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > >To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > >To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: >http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > >Share your stuff!  If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. 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This reply will be of more interest to Ms. Fallow than Susan (Hi, Susan!) in that I am familiar with the RC records in VT, having researched some early French there.  Many of the VT RC parishes have published their early records, due to interest from French descendants, but there are Irish emigrants included too. Burlington has RC records from about 1830, Rutland from 1835 and St. Albans and Swanton from at least 1847. Some who settled in VT close to the Quebec border would travel north for baptisms. Others did receive visits from missionaries, but not all these records have survived. Some that have are in Huntington and Chatauguey? PQ (check the LDS catalog under VT church records). So it may depend on where in VT they went to - people would travel some distance for baptisms, so they can be delayed by months in some cases.  Have you tried writing to the parish(es), or diocese in Kalamazoo? Most dioceses have an online presence and may list founding dates of parishes and describe how to access archives of early parish records.  Paul Keroack ________________________________ From: M.Q. Fallaw <cliokent@yahoo.com> To: Susan Haines <sehaines42@gmail.com>; "irl-kerry@rootsweb.com" <irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:39 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Foule or Foley Sue, What part of Kerry do you think your Foleys (and Sheas) lived in? One of my 3rd great-grandmothers was Ellen Foley, who married Michael Doyle (both dying in Kerry by 1848). (I don't know the origins of Ellen.) Their son Jeremiah appears to have been born near Sneem in the first quarter of the 19th century (baptismal record not surviving), but they and/or Jeremiah may have moved later closer to Kenmare (to the civil parish of Templenoe, RC parish of Kenmare, where there indeed were some Foleys (per church and Griffith's records). Jeremiah Doyle emigrated in late 1847, going first to Montreal (on the coffin ship "Lord Ashburton") and then (perhaps within a year) went to Vermont for a short time, then on to Bergen (or maybe West Bergen), NY, for 15 years or so before finally settling in Kalamazoo County, Michigan, where he bought his own farm. In Montreal, in early 1848, he married Mary Shea, my 2nd great-grandmother, who was on the same ship. The family story is that they met on the ship, but I have considerable doubt about this and think it fairly likely that they knew each other in Kerry. She was a daughter of Thomas Shea and Mary White (according to the marriage record at Notre Dame in Montreal). I have no idea (yet) as to their origins, but at the time of Mary's birth (and at the birth of several other probable children of theirs and the marriage of one) they lived in various townlands in Templenoe CP/Kenmare RC parish, generally a little west or northwest of the town of Kenmare. Unfortunately, zillions of Sheas seem to have lived in the area, and I don't know how they're connected (or not). Mary White seems to have lived in the same vicinity, and there are other Whites there, though they're not nearly as numerous as the Sheas. My guess is that White may have been a branch name for certain Sullivan or even Shea kinship groups. My great-grandmother Nellie Doyle Budd was the couple's first (known) child, born in Vermont in 1849. She would seem to have been named after her father's mother, Ellen (Nellie) Foley Doyle. But I still haven't found out whether RC baptismal records survive for that year in Vermont (doubtful), or whether perhaps traveling priests from Canada served the still relatively few Catholics there so the records might be somewhere  in Canada. There were some Foleys (and Doyles) living in Kalamazoo Co., MI, but whether they might be connected to mine, I don't yet know (and may never know, I guess). If I had ready access to the parish records of the RC church in Kalamazoo (city), I might be able to figure out some relationships, but I live hundreds of miles from there and visiting any time soon is not feasible. Have you found your Bartholomew and James Shea in the online Kerry church records? If so, where were they living at one time or another? Marge >________________________________ > From: Susan Haines <sehaines42@gmail.com> >To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com >Cc: irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com >Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 7:47 AM >Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 105 > > >thank you all for your responses about Foule/Foley. What a helpful list! > >  Alas, I fear this isn't my family as I have never seen the name in any >other context.  My 4th great grandfather is Bartholomew Shea and in >Kerry there are several possibilities for the parents of my 3rd great >grandfather, James Shea.  None of which seem to "fit".  James had a >brother Bartholomew and, perhaps, Michael. There are probably others >that I am still working on. All of these initially immigrated to Wales >and most then went to New Haven, CT. > >Sue > > >On 8/2/2013 3:00 AM, irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >>     1. Re: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 104 (Michael Leane) >> >> >> To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to >> IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> email with no additional text. > >_______________ >---------------        > >Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: >http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html                                               >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > >To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > >To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: >http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > >Share your stuff!  If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. 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