Hi, birth certs werent destroyed in Four Courts fire afaik,just census returns. However dont think official registration of births began by time James left for England. You could try church records. National library in Dublin have microfilm of catholic church records. Not sure about Church of Ireland or presbeterian records. Best bet is to write or phone local church to see if they have any clues. Regards, Fintan ----- Original Message ---- From: carole_ watts <carole_watts@talk21.com> To: IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 5 June, 2007 1:14:15 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] LOVETT James b. c. 1817 Killarney James LOVETT was my GGGrandfather. He was a tailor and came to London sometime before 1838 because in that year he married in St Mary's Church, St Marylebone. He married a Lucy Moncrieffe from Cork b.c.1814. James signed with a mark and his name on marriage is recorded as LOVAT but thereafter he, his wife and all the offspring used the spelling LOVETT. I can track his life in England by census returns - he lived first in Somers Town [St Pancras], later in South London and died in a workhouse infirmary in Mile End New Town aged 75 years in 1892. Lucy died in 1859 aged 45 in Somers Town and James remarried and had more children. I've recently visited Killarney in the hopes of finding some information about James' family of origin and earlier life but I have drawn a blank so far, partly because the centrally held birth records for kerry were destroyed in Dublin in 1922 and partly because I don't know in which parish he was born. Since he was a tailor, I guess he likely lived in or near Killarney Town. I'm also not sure about his religion. At that time in Kerry almost everyone will have been Roman Catholic, but James married in a Church of England Church. His father is recorded on the marriage certificate as John LOVAT[sic], labourer. I've comissioned a search but will not hear anything until later in June. Any help would be much appreciated. I asked, while in Kerry, at Tourist Information Centres and Registrars and tried the advertised Genealogical Record Centre in Killarney which proved to be entirely inaccessible. Kerry is so beautiful and the people were so friendly and welcoming, I feel proud that my ancestors came from this part of the world. Surely they have left a mark somewhere? Carole --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

FYI to all on the list, in case some are unsure of the year that official registration of births in Ireland, it was 1864. Hope this helps anyone who may have had any questions. Fintan Sheehan <fintansheehan@yahoo.ie> wrote: Hi, birth certs werent destroyed in Four Courts fire afaik,just census returns. However dont think official registration of births began by time James left for England. You could try church records. National library in Dublin have microfilm of catholic church records. Not sure about Church of Ireland or presbeterian records. Best bet is to write or phone local church to see if they have any clues. Regards, Fintan ----- Original Message ---- From: carole_ watts To: IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 5 June, 2007 1:14:15 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] LOVETT James b. c. 1817 Killarney James LOVETT was my GGGrandfather. He was a tailor and came to London sometime before 1838 because in that year he married in St Mary's Church, St Marylebone. He married a Lucy Moncrieffe from Cork b.c.1814. James signed with a mark and his name on marriage is recorded as LOVAT but thereafter he, his wife and all the offspring used the spelling LOVETT. I can track his life in England by census returns - he lived first in Somers Town [St Pancras], later in South London and died in a workhouse infirmary in Mile End New Town aged 75 years in 1892. Lucy died in 1859 aged 45 in Somers Town and James remarried and had more children. I've recently visited Killarney in the hopes of finding some information about James' family of origin and earlier life but I have drawn a blank so far, partly because the centrally held birth records for kerry were destroyed in Dublin in 1922 and partly because I don't know in which parish he was born. Since he was a tailor, I guess he likely lived in or near Killarney Town. I'm also not sure about his religion. At that time in Kerry almost everyone will have been Roman Catholic, but James married in a Church of England Church. His father is recorded on the marriage certificate as John LOVAT[sic], labourer. I've comissioned a search but will not hear anything until later in June. Any help would be much appreciated. I asked, while in Kerry, at Tourist Information Centres and Registrars and tried the advertised Genealogical Record Centre in Killarney which proved to be entirely inaccessible. Kerry is so beautiful and the people were so friendly and welcoming, I feel proud that my ancestors came from this part of the world. Surely they have left a mark somewhere? Carole --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi I think Church of Ireland records date back quite a way . I seaarched at the head office in Dublin for my ggrandfather Matthew Fawkner's birth in Balbriggan Co Dublin and found it in 1797. So that is going back much further in time . I can not remember exactly where in Dublin it was ,but a short bus ride. Look on the web for the address. Trish in Sydney Hi, birth certs werent destroyed in Four Courts fire afaik,just census returns. However dont think official registration of births began by time James left for England. You could try church records. National library in Dublin have microfilm of catholic church records. Not sure about Church of Ireland or presbeterian records. Best bet is to write or phone local church to see if they have any clues. Regards, Fintan ----- Original Message ---- From: carole_ watts <carole_watts@talk21.com> To: IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 5 June, 2007 1:14:15 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] LOVETT James b. c. 1817 Killarney James LOVETT was my GGGrandfather. He was a tailor and came to London sometime before 1838 because in that year he married in St Mary's Church, St Marylebone. He married a Lucy Moncrieffe from Cork b.c.1814. James signed with a mark and his name on marriage is recorded as LOVAT but thereafter he, his wife and all the offspring used the spelling LOVETT. I can track his life in England by census returns - he lived first in Somers Town [St Pancras], later in South London and died in a workhouse infirmary in Mile End New Town aged 75 years in 1892. Lucy died in 1859 aged 45 in Somers Town and James remarried and had more children. I've recently visited Killarney in the hopes of finding some information about James' family of origin and earlier life but I have drawn a blank so far, partly because the centrally held birth records for kerry were destroyed in Dublin in 1922 and partly because I don't know in which parish he was born. Since he was a tailor, I guess he likely lived in or near Killarney Town. I'm also not sure about his religion. At that time in Kerry almost everyone will have been Roman Catholic, but James married in a Church of England Church. His father is recorded on the marriage certificate as John LOVAT[sic], labourer. I've comissioned a search but will not hear anything until later in June. Any help would be much appreciated. I asked, while in Kerry, at Tourist Information Centres and Registrars and tried the advertised Genealogical Record Centre in Killarney which proved to be entirely inaccessible. Kerry is so beautiful and the people were so friendly and welcoming, I feel proud that my ancestors came from this part of the world. Surely they have left a mark somewhere? Carole --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/830 - Release Date: 3/06/2007 12:47 PM